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Re: accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA

mikolaj holysz <miki123211@...>
 

There are a couple ways:
1. VOIP. Someone mentioned callcentric, but I think you should look for something that works with your country so texting numbers in your country is cheap. This is very country-specific, so you won't be able to get much help here, googling and trying to figure it out on your own is your best bed.
Those solutions are usually paid (cheap, but a credit card / paypal / whatever is usually a requirement).
2. E-mail gateways: This has been suggested before but yes, gateways for services outside the US exist. This is, as well, very country specific, but Googling should help in this case too. Try Googling country find carrier of a phone number (or something similar in your language). That will let you determine where the phone number you're trying to text is. Those services aren't 100% reliable, if it's possible to move numbers between carriers and you're trying to text a number that has been moved, it may guess the old carrier. It usually uses numbering classes to guess. Numbering classes are ranges of phone numbers assigned to your carrier for use by your country's phone authority.
After figuring out the carrier, try Googling carrier name email to sms gateway. You should find a domain that you send emails to, the address should usually look like number@domain. Those exist for most (though not all carriers). If the carrier is aMVNO (a small carrier), try Googling the carrier along with a keyword like infrastructure to figure out whose infrastructure it uses. Building mobile infrastructure is very costly, so small carriers usually use the infrastructure of bigger carriers, so it's usually possible to use their gateways. For example, the scenario may look like this:
1. you have a number 123 456 7890 and you know it's an Australian number.
2. You try Googling "find carrier of phone number Australia" and find a website.
3. You enter that number and figure out it's owned by SomeLittleCarrier.
4. You try SomeLittleCarrier sms gateway but you figure out that that carrier doesn't have a gateway.
5. You find out what infrastructure the carrier is using, it turns out they're using the infrastructure of aVeryBigCarrier.
6. You look for aVeryBigCarrier's gateway on Google and find out that their domain is gateway.averybigcarrier.au
7. You send an meail to 1234567890@... and the person gets your text.
Beware that the texts you send that way include your email address and don't come from your phone number.
It's usually hard/impossible to reply to them. Some carriers provide sms to email gateways too, again, Google is your friend.

3. Windows and Android.
If you own an Android phone, you can connect it with your Windows computer so that you will be able to read and write texts on WIndows. Those texts will then go through your phone and will be automatically send to wherever you wanted them to go. The recipient will not know that you've sent them from your computer, as they will come from your phone number. Normal fees for texting will apply, as it will be your phone sending the texts, your computer will only tell it what to send. Of course for that to work, your phone needs to be connected to the Internet.
The apps to do this are usually not very accessible but there's a really good solution called GTalk SMS. It's a bit hard to set up but if you / someone else needs assistance, reach me by email privately and I can provide help.

4. Connecting your phone to your computer. There are solutions to make your computer to act as a bluetooth speaker and keyboard. That way, you will be able to control your phone with your computer and make it sent texts or do anything else you'd like with it. I haven't tried the Bluetooth Keyboard part yet but I may if there's interest. That's the only solution that might work with the iPhone.

If you have an iPhone and want to send texts via an app, not by emulating a bt keyboard on your computer, and also want the texts to come from your number, you will need to get a mac.

I hope that answered all questions you might've had.



W dniu 2018-08-30 o 15:33, Dan Beaver pisze:

Hi,
I have been looking into doing this.  However, there are so many choices I am uncertain which to choose.
Has anyone else figured out any of the apps and services that are accessible using NVDA to do SMS texting from a  Windows system?  If so which are accessible and easy to use?
Thanks.
Dan Beaver


Re: Ribbon disabler and more.

Gene
 

For those who haven't gotten good instruction or instructional material about ribbons, here is a tutorial, not very long, to read and practice with if you wish.  Don't believe all the negative comments about ribbons until you try working with them yourself.  A lot of the negative comments, perhaps most, are the result of people not getting good instruction or good instructional material.
 
Under my signature is the tutorial.  I don't have Windows 10 so I don't discuss the ribbons there but ribbons are ribbons just as menus are menus.  Once you learn to use ribbons, you can use them anywhere. 
 
Gene
 
I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons. 
 
I've added a little to it here.
 
I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized. 
 
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button. 
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action.  Let's take an example. 
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.  If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down.  That is the default action.  Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow.  As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open.  the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others.  You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list.  the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. 
 
So, let's review.  You find a split button that says shut down.  If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed.  Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed.  A split button won't work with both methods.  One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button.  Try both methods if you don't know which one might work.  If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options.  If you think about this, it makes sense.  If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu.  So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options.  In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar.  So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options.  But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.  And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.  So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options.  Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them.  For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow. 
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow.  In that case, open them with alt down arrow.  Then tab through the additional options.  I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.
 
Now, to ribbons themselves.
 
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently.  and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use.  the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.  There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.
 
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.  Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine.  Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.  
 
The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. 
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons.  Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.
 
For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish.  You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.  
 
Stop on view.  Then start tabbing.  You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon. 
 
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it.  Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. 
 
Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.  Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.
 
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. 
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't.  To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab.  If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.
 
Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab.  You will hear some extraneous information.  The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.  You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.
 
Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.  Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.  You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once.  Now, open the ribbons again with alt. 
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid.  Never mind drop down grid.  It's a description you don't have to worry about.  The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu.  Press enter or the space bar to activate the button.  Activating the button opens the menu.  Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action.  When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f.  When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced.  for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a.  that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a.  Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as.  Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it.  Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.  By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.
 
Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt.  Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. 
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter.  So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon.  Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.  Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon.  Shift tab to move back through the items.  So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab.  for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond.  You may hear this announced as respond tool bar.  As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category.  When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken.  You will miss the first command in the category if you do.  I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. 
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu.  So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. 
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items.  You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. 
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad.  For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back.  When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.  Of course, you can shift tab to move back. 
 
Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. 
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. 
 
Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program.  Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.  


Ribbon disabler and more.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Disable ribbon menu in windows 10 and lots of other goodies etc.;

https://winaero.com/;

This web site has a stand alone menu changer and also a more elaborate toolkit and many interesting articles about computers and android phones etc; the ribbon disabler is near the bottom as I recall; but be aware as always; you can cause havoc by doing stuff with the registry of windows!; Brian


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NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application

Jason White
 

After using System Information on Windows 10 1803 (all up to date), and closing the application with Alt+F4, I experienced a hang in NVDA 2018.3 beta 3.

 

The log file in my local temporary directory contains the following. Please let me know whether further details are desired, or whether it has been or should be taken up in GitHub.

 

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (14:47:55.289):

Core frozen in stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 214, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 495, in main

  File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop

  File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify

  File "core.pyo", line 466, in run

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 83, in pumpAll

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 50, in flushQueue

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 147, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 160, in doPreGainFocus

  File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 1579, in _get_container

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 954, in findGroupboxObject

  File "winUser.pyo", line 430, in getClassName

 

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (14:48:10.339):

Core frozen in stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 214, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 495, in main

  File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop

  File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify

  File "core.pyo", line 466, in run

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 83, in pumpAll

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 50, in flushQueue

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 147, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 160, in doPreGainFocus

  File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 1579, in _get_container

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 945, in findGroupboxObject

  File "winUser.pyo", line 429, in getClassName

 


Re: A bug to repport: NVDA works harder in Windows Explorer for some users.

Florian Ionașcu
 

Hello Jene! As I said in my previews message, I don't know what version of Windows is being used by the second user. I'll let you know when I'll find out.


Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA

Gene
 

The don't install option for unwanted programs isn't accessible.  If you use the portable version, unwanted programs won't be installed.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA

I still use Cdex on Windows 10 and like it. Lots of nice options, and easy, one-key ripping.

You do have to be careful with that installer though.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: September 3, 2018 5:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA

Hi,
Wow. CDBXP? OpenCandy? Never thought the two would ever be said together in the same sentence. Real shame. Just goes to reinforce why I always prefer portables over installers these days, if even once-reputable devs can start shipping garbage like that. Then again, look at the downhill plummet that CDex has taken...
Cheers,
Damien.

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> Actually more recent versions of the opencandy are not too bad at all,
> and even if you do not use unchecky, you will find that any other
> thing it installs will be easy to remove. Its not as annoying as the
> CCleaner mash up.
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
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> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA
>
>
>> Well you will need to use the installer without opencandy forgot
>> where you get that but yeah its good.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/2018 4:00 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> There is another one which I use called CDBurnerXP (www.cdburnerxp.se).
>>> Cheers,
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>> On 02/09/2018 04:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>> I use a program called anyburn and it's fairly easy to work with.
>>>> Anyburn is free and you can get it from www.anyburn.com.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Arnþór Helgason
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 7:09 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA
>>>>
>>>> I have had constant problams with burning cd-disks since Windows 2010.
>>>> I seem to be able to copy files to the entitle place but the
>>>> burning doesn't start.
>>>> Any advices?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Arnthor Helgason
>>>> arnthor.helgason@...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I still use Cdex on Windows 10 and like it. Lots of nice options, and easy, one-key ripping.

You do have to be careful with that installer though.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: September 3, 2018 5:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA

Hi,
Wow. CDBXP? OpenCandy? Never thought the two would ever be said together in the same sentence. Real shame. Just goes to reinforce why I always prefer portables over installers these days, if even once-reputable devs can start shipping garbage like that. Then again, look at the downhill plummet that CDex has taken...
Cheers,
Damien.

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Actually more recent versions of the opencandy are not too bad at all,
and even if you do not use unchecky, you will find that any other
thing it installs will be easy to remove. Its not as annoying as the
CCleaner mash up.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA


Well you will need to use the installer without opencandy forgot
where you get that but yeah its good.



On 9/3/2018 4:00 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi,
There is another one which I use called CDBurnerXP (www.cdburnerxp.se).
Cheers,
Damien.

On 02/09/2018 04:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I use a program called anyburn and it's fairly easy to work with.
Anyburn is free and you can get it from www.anyburn.com.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA

I have had constant problams with burning cd-disks since Windows 2010.
I seem to be able to copy files to the entitle place but the
burning doesn't start.
Any advices?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason
arnthor.helgason@...














Re: kody

 

where can I get 16 version at?

On 9/3/2018 2:09 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Hello,
In order to go well, You should install the kodi16 package, with that package then you can update to kodi17.
The problem is that I never was be able to make NVDA speaking with kodi17...



Il 02/09/2018 00:40, Adel Spence ha scritto:
hi there. can someone please help me with kody? its not talking with nvdA or jaws. you can install a skreenreader for it. but I doent know ware to get the skreenreader, and how to install it. can you please help me? if you want to ad me on skype, its adel.spence or you can email me at: adel.spence12@... <mailto:adel.spence12@...>
i'm wateing for your ancers


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Re: Future of speech synth add ons

Rui Fontes
 

There are no free version of Vocalizer...

You have to buy it from Tiflotecnia or CodeFactory...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 16:45 de 03/09/2018, Michael Munn escreveu:

Where to get the free add on for Vocalizer Voice for NVDA? I'm currently using Eloquence with my NVDA Screen Reader.
I do like the human sounding speech such as Samantha and Tom. I just can't find them  for free anywhere.
If you can please  post the link here I would very appreciate it.
Thanks and Have a nice day.
Best regards Michael Munn


Re: Future of speech synth add ons

Michael Munn
 

Where to get the free add on for Vocalizer Voice for NVDA? I'm currently using Eloquence with my NVDA Screen Reader.  
I do like the human sounding speech such as Samantha and Tom. I just can't find them  for free anywhere.  
If you can please  post the link here I would very appreciate it. 
Thanks and Have a nice day.
Best regards Michael Munn  


New IRC Client for NVDA.

 

I wanted to share this accessible IRC client fork for windows. I am sure the developer would really really like some help with this. I have no clue if it is open source, the NVDA fork, but I included both links below. The second link is to the initial client which is not very accessible as of yet. The initial client looks to be abandoned? I thought devs and add on peeps would like the below.


https://github.com/fastfinge/adispeak


https://github.com/AdiIRC


Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Jason White
 

I just tried it here. Reading through a list of files is very responsive, but after pressing the delete key to remove a file from a directory containing over 200 files, NVDA is very slow to respond when I continue moving through the file list with up/down arrow keys.

Is this similar to what others are encountering?

Also, I've never had any problem with ribbons, so I think the claim that they're less intuitive for users who are blind very much depends on the individual.

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Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 5:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Can you use 10 windows explorer with a portable copy of nvda?
I've never used Jaws with 10, so cannot say about its foibles.
However in addition to the UIA buffering issue, there are the perennial processor idling speed problems plus the windows indexing of open folders that seems a bit slower than in 7, which itself was slow in 7 as well, and any kind of other fancy animations running like sliding, fading and all of that to consider.

In the case of ribbons, yes there is a ribbon remover program for 10, but every time windows does a major update it will need to be run again. It also does not totally emulate windows 7, some of the options seem not to be there.

If you look up ribbon remover you should find it.

I just wish Microsoft would make the menu type a choice as it clearly is more intuitive for sighted users, but not for view restricted blind ones.
Brian

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From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


what I do, when NVDA doesn't read the list of folders or files in File
Explorer, if I don't just become impatient and restart NVDA altogether,
which does solve the probem temporarily, is to down arrow through the
files because some of them I know from going through them before what
they are, and just entering on the one I think is the one I want. If it
isn't, I just hit backspace and keep going. I've found ways to deal with
this File Explorer sluggishness, but it can be a pain. And I really hate
to say this because I love NVDA, but it doesn't do this in System
Access. System Access has its own quirks in Windows 10, though, one of
which drives me even more batty than the sluggish File Explorer list not
being read quickly by NVDA, and sometimes not even at all, does, and
that is what I call the dead insert key. I can live with a sluggish file
explorer; I cannot live without my insert key. Another thing that helps
is simply to close file explorer altogether and reopen it. I'm trying to
figure out a pattern for why it does this, but I can't seem to. It
*really* does it with Dropbox, though; in fact, when I copy and paste a
file or folder from Dropbox into somewhere else on my computer, I just
automatically restart NVDA. I don't even mess with it. So yeah, I've
figured out ways to deal with it and I can live with it, but glorious
will be the day when it no longer happens. I'll celebrate! Honestly! LOL!

Annette


On 9/2/2018 2:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system
used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I
don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I
don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of
my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others
who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft
problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve
it.
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down
arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object,
which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad
insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through
the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When
you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command
numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select
the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when
he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are
first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which
is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis







Re: Future of speech synth add ons

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

We do not plan to charge an upgrade fee to the new version of Vocalizer...

When it will be released all owners of version 3 of Vocalizer will be able to install and run version 4 for free...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 04:04 de 26/08/2018, Luis Carlos Gonzáles Moráles escreveu:

I hope they can update Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer for NVDA to the new Vocalizer Expressive version by Nuance, if that's the case, I'm going to purchase a new lisence for the version. I shurely have the contact of Tiflotecnia's administrator, but I still want some updates, since the last was in 2013, I think.
Wow, tyme is going fast as I've never expected to happen!
Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

I’m sure tiflotechica will update theirs in a good time

Well, we have been told that a major update is coming, but to this day we haven't seen any major updates from Tifflotecnia. But since NVDA 2018.3 will break compatibility with add ons not updated to support WxPython 4/Python 3 features and given that a number of users have paid for this synth, I still hope Tifflotecnia will release a quick patch to make the synth compatible with NVDA 2018.3, but that hope is not very high to be honest.


Re: Future of speech synth add ons

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, Vocalizer from Tiflotecnia will work without problems in NVDA 2018.3...

We are preparing the changes required to use Python 3...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 15:48 de 26/08/2018, Supanut Leepaisomboon escreveu:

Update: I finally managed to get Windows 10 up and running in my virtual machine, with NVDA 2018.3 beta 3. I tried to install both Tifflotecnia and Codefactory synth drivers, and it seems that they continue to function normally. I am able to activate the Codefactory demo and have eloquence working.
So...the conclusion that I can draw from my brief tests is that, both the Tifflotecnia and Codefactory drivers should continue to work with NVDA 2018.3, but looking into the future when NVDA switches to Python 3 I can't confirm that they will continue to work.
Note the versions I used for testing are: 3.0.13 for Tifflotecnia driver, and 1.0 for Codefactory driver (both are the latest versions available).


Re: NVDA and Skype Accessability

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I am aware that just yesterday a Jaws update came down with an update for the new Skype for that screenreader, but Not sure what windows 7 does about Skype as I've not been a fan of it for some time as every time microsoft change it they break its accessibility. I'd expect more from them considering the work they are putting into narrator on 10.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 9:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Accessability


Hi all,

I am a new member of this list from Malta Europe. I have Windows 7 and had to upgrade to the latest version of Skype 8.22. I would like to ask whether there is an addon from NVDA which makes the ap accessible.

Thank you very much,
Charles


Charles Borg
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Re: Updated the accessible applications wiki again.

David Mellor
 

Very many thanks for doing this work Robert!
David
 
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: 29 August 2018 15:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Updated the accessible applications wiki again.

I learned, while editing the below wiki, that I can't create sub-pages of the main page. Aw poop! Anyway, given that Zoom will get some enhancements with the next NVDA, I added Zoom, including their accessibility email, to the page. I am gonna change the title of the page later today to, accessible applications. I've removed old links, as well. I am gonna do more updates later today. What I wish github would allow me to do is to create sub pages for the main pages. This way I can break the wiki up into tiny sections. I may just break it up later with headings and stuff. Anyone can edit the below page as long as they have a git hub account so if anybody wants to edit after me go ahead. I'm debating on adding programs that will become accessible later on, like OE Classic.


https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Application-Support


Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

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This though is surely an option on how you set up select and action the file. I often find mine changed back if a sighted person has used the mouse.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


I don't use Windows 10. Nothing is selected when I move by object and I have to use two issuances, as I said. I can use the command once on a web page on a link or control on the page but in a list like this, where something must be selected, I have to use two commands.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Actually, that works, and does make looking through snappier for sure. If a large folder, I'll press the letter where I need to go that'll be close to the file name, then use what you described to get there.

One slight correction to your instructions, and it's slight: numpad enter once both selects the folder/file entry and opens it. I also thought it would take two to go through the selection and activation process. It scared me when a file started playing immediately. LOL!

Travis


On 9/2/2018 12:25 PM, Gene wrote:

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.

Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis


Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

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The worst part of this sluggish problem is actually that you can action the wrong file as often nvda is reading a different file than the one highlighted when you hit enter and yet that keypress activates the file highlighted yet to be spoken by nvda.
Its a little awkward as I had a batch file in a list that deleted everything from a dropbox folder that had the suffix .mp3, and hence I if that file got highlighted when I thought I was playing a file, everything ended up in the recycle bin instead!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie" <abletec@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Yeah--I was gonna suggest that. :).

On 9/2/18, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
Hmm, maybe it's time to remember and take my own advice that I gave
Jackie the other day that helped resolve her Firefox selection problem.
I didn't think of add-ons

Whether it works, what Gene advised is working better than how I was
doing things. It, just, gets, old, when, each, file, and, folder, name,
has, an, extra, pause, inserted, before, each.

Travis

On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

Hi,

Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.

Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t
use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for
a long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15
minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no
slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000
subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an
add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out is that I
have very, very few add-ons installed!

Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.

Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along
with the latest stable version of NVDA.

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system
used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I
don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I
don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest
of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.
Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a
Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA
developers to solve it.

Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down
arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object,
which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad
insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through
the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When
you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command
numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select
the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when
he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are
first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which
is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis





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Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

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What about other things though, One assumes that if an alert from a background process does not use uia, then one would still hear it? I'm thinking about download completed sounds for example instead of breeps.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Thank you Tyler. That's an answer that makes sense to me.


"This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small
price to pay for a working system."


I'd be ok with that, a small price as you say.


People with System Access seem to be fine as well.

Travis

On 9/2/2018 1:19 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
The fault lies with both Microsoft and NVDA.
As far as I understand it, here's the issue. With UIA, you can tell it
which events you want to be notified about, and for which windows.
NVDA decided that it was going to listen to certain events from every
window on the system, and not just the one that had the focus. That
doesn't sound too bad, until...
If another application on the system isn't responding fast enough, UIA
stops notifying NVDA of events if NVDA is listening to certain
properties of that window (I think it was name and value change).

I'll lay out a simple, real-world example:
1. I start uploading a file in WinSCP.
2. I switch away from WinSCP into File Explorer. I guess WinSCP doesn't
respond fast enough to UIA, so UIA decides not to send NVDA events for
anything anymore. From then on, until that upload finishes or I close
WinSCP, my File Explorer won't read properly, nor will alt+tab or
anything else that depends on UIA.
This particular example isn't as bad as I thought, but my UIA does stop
responding for a few seconds at a time, and it's definitely noticeable.

I've heard that the next version of Windows 10 tries to fix this.
However, if NVDA simply listened to events from the currently running
application, I think this would be a much less severe problem.
This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small
price to pay for a working system.
Also, JAWS and Narrator don't have this problem, only NVDA.
For more info, see issue 8535 and its linked issues:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8535

On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Hi,


Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.


Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t
use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a
long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes
going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down
at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was
as quick as one which only had one or two in it!


The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an
add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out is that I have
very, very few add-ons installed!


Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.


Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with
the latest stable version of NVDA.


Cheers

Richard Bartholomew



*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system
used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I
don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I don't
use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my
general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who
know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem
or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.


Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down
arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which
it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert
numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the
list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you
want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command numpad
insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select the
item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she
double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first
selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the
same sequence a mouse user follows.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis




Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

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I believe I read that Jaws turns this off by default. I read it somewhere recently.
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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:
Secondly, though,I don't find this slowness either with NVDA - I don't use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, I've just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all - one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

One cause of the slowness has been linked to having the preview pain turned on while running file explorer. Press alt+v and look through the view ribbon to determine the pane's state.