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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

JM Casey
 

OO will open .dox files, but not save them, I think. You can save in the older style .doc files, which Microsoft Office can work with to this day.

 

There are definite accessibility quirks with both Libre and Open Office, depending on which screen-reader you use. I thought OO worked slightly better with JAWS whereas Libre seemed to work slightly better with nVDA, and even seem to remember someone in an earlier discussion on this list explaining why that was so.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: January 23, 2019 9:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

 

OO, Open Office, is a more accessible program than LO is, but it is also a far worse program with missing basic features, such as working with Docx files. LO is a far better program, but if you need something complex for a huge project, neither works well. LiBreOffice is the best open source alternative but is less accessible than OO.


Re: accessing a spreadsheet in "protected view"

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:34 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Be careful before suspending protected view.
I have no argument with the advice you've given, as everyone has their own tolerance for risk.

I will note, however, that what you propose doing would unleash exactly the same macros as my method does once the file is open.  That's why I don't find Protected View useful for myself.   I have never opened anything I have no intention of interacting with, and the moment you unprotect a given file it's unprotected.  For myself, I just see no advantage in doing this on a case by case basis since I'm strict about what I'll open.

If one has to deal with a lot of Office file throughput, though, and you don't have the need to interact with many of them, Protected View can come in handy.
 
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:51 PM, Gene wrote:
But getting caught up in a discussion and replying without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type.  I don't see why it deserves one at all.
What a surprise, Gene.   You are free to scold all you want, and heaven knows you do.  Every once in a while turnabout is absolutely fair play.  And this is coming immediately upon the heels of my having edited the original post to correct it.
 
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Gene
 

I should say that getting caught up in a discussion and replying, when I'm not far behind in messages, on occasion, really doesn't rise to the level deserving of a scolding comment. 
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

I appreciate your retraction and I wouldn't have replied further except for your "you should have known better comment.  I haven't thought about what I do much in this respect for quite sometime.  There are times I read a thread before answering and there are times I don't.  it often doesn't arise as an issue because I follow the list often throughout the day.  But getting caught up in a discussion and replying without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type.  I don't see why it deserves one at all.
 
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't write that.
Which I have already acknowledged.  The misattribution was unintentional.  You, of all people, should know to read through the entirety of a topic before responding.
 
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Gene
 

I appreciate your retraction and I wouldn't have replied further except for your "you should have known better comment.  I haven't thought about what I do much in this respect for quite sometime.  There are times I read a thread before answering and there are times I don't.  it often doesn't arise as an issue because I follow the list often throughout the day.  But getting caught up in a discussion and replying without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type.  I don't see why it deserves one at all.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't write that.
Which I have already acknowledged.  The misattribution was unintentional.  You, of all people, should know to read through the entirety of a topic before responding.
 
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Gene
 

I don't use Office and I expect others will explain how to do this.  Until then, I believe that pressing escape will take you out of it but I'm not sure of that.  That is my not necessarily correct recollection of discussions I've seen on a list perhaps a year ago. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

Gene: Would you tell us how to turn off back stage?

On 1/23/2019 12:09 PM, Gene wrote:
You probably could have saved the file as you do now if you turned back stage view off.  I don't use Word and I'll let those who do discuss that but from discussions I've seen on lists, turning it off removes such annoyances.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

i am running 2007. I peeked at office 365 but I did not like what hoops i had to jump through just to save a file.
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the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

And the question, "Upgrading from what?/What existing version of Office are you using?," comes to mind.

I just recently upgraded from 2010, which is getting rickety but is still supported, to Office 2016.   Office 2016 will still be supported for some years to come, and with the availability of recycled licenses out of the EU one can upgrade to the top version, Pro Plus, for very little money.

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Re: accessing a spreadsheet in "protected view"

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Mary,

Brian gave you some very useful information on managing protected view. I must say that I like the protection it gives me. I prefer to be covered when a dynamic program like an excel workbook is sent from any source, even a trusted one! Excel is designed to carry macros and other devices that could be a threat from the wrong source or from a damaged source with no harm intended.

As soon as you open the workbook, just press f2 and tab once to "OK" and the full workbook is open and available to navigate as normal.

Similarly, in a Word file attachment it will normally come in protected view and, again, just press alt to open the ribbon bar, left arrow to "file", down-arrow into the ribbon options and tab twice to remove protected view.

Be careful before suspending protected view.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessing a spreadsheet in "protected view"

Hi all,


I admit that I am really not very knowledgeable when it comes to working with spreadsheets. So maybe this is just an elementary question.


I got a spreadsheet from the farmer who does my local CSA. It contains
products, prices per specified unit of product and the 12 months of the
year, including showing, with an X in the boxes for months when said
products are not going to be available. And then there is a place to
fill in the amounts you want for each month and each product, and it
calculates your total for the year.


But when I open this in Excel from Office 2016, it says it is in
protected view, and when I arrow around, all I get are numbers for the
given cell I'm on, plus the word unlock. And I'm not seeing any actual
data from the sender of the sheet, i.e. no names of items, months etc.
So I haven't a clue how this thing is actually laid out. This protected
view is the way she sends this out, and apparently, it works okay for
the sighted folks. So, any advice on how I can do some magic on this
would really be appreciated.


Mary


Re: Open Office/libreOffice

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't write that.
Which I have already acknowledged.  The misattribution was unintentional.  You, of all people, should know to read through the entirety of a topic before responding.
 
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Gene
 

I didn't write that.  That is the message I answered and I strongly disagreed with the opinion of the original poster. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 03:40 PM, Gene wrote:
I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing such nonsense. 
There are so many products that use this service model, and have for many, many years now, that this comment is nonsense.

You can use Office up through 2016 (and I think even 2019) as an installed program if you wish and there will be support for same for some years to come.

You certainly must never have been a JAWS user, either, as their model is very much "as a service" if you wish to have a version of JAWS that's keeping up with "what's happening now."

I strongly prefer installed programs that I am not paying for over time, but there's nothing wrong with selling service in that way.  Buying a high-end version of Office outright is a multi-hundred dollar proposition.  It will take quite a while to equal what you'd have paid for the installed version via "as a service" delivery model and you keep getting updates as well.
 
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Re: excel is stop when edited comment finish

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi,

I think I experience the same when I edit a formula in a cell. However, I don't have to close Excel, I just press alt+tab to swop to another window and then press alt+tab to come back again into Excel and then NVDA responds.

Perhaps you could try that? Then you would not have to go through all those tedious steps of saving the workbook, closing it and then reopening it again.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] excel is stop when edited comment finish

hi groups

I use microsoft office 2016 and NVDA 2018.4.1
excel is always stop when I edited comment finish everytime.
I inserted comment then pressed esc to return excel sheet
but I use arrow key can not move cursor and NVDA has no response anything until I pressed control plus s saved this file and alt plus F4 quit it
then pressed enter key open this file and I see all things
so anyone give me some advice if you know whats happen
am I use edit finished method is error?
thanks



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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

JM Casey
 

I just hit f12 to get a slightly different version (I think) of the “save as” dialog box. Using Office 2016 though, not 365.

 

I did use 365 for a while at work though and didn’t really find significant differences.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 23, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

 

You probably could have saved the file as you do now if you turned back stage view off.  I don't use Word and I'll let those who do discuss that but from discussions I've seen on lists, turning it off removes such annoyances.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

 

i am running 2007. I peeked at office 365 but I did not like what hoops i had to jump through just to save a file.

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the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

 

And the question, "Upgrading from what?/What existing version of Office are you using?," comes to mind.

I just recently upgraded from 2010, which is getting rickety but is still supported, to Office 2016.   Office 2016 will still be supported for some years to come, and with the availability of recycled licenses out of the EU one can upgrade to the top version, Pro Plus, for very little money.

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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Richard Wells
 

Gene: Would you tell us how to turn off back stage?

On 1/23/2019 12:09 PM, Gene wrote:
You probably could have saved the file as you do now if you turned back stage view off.  I don't use Word and I'll let those who do discuss that but from discussions I've seen on lists, turning it off removes such annoyances.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

i am running 2007. I peeked at office 365 but I did not like what hoops i had to jump through just to save a file.
***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

And the question, "Upgrading from what?/What existing version of Office are you using?," comes to mind.

I just recently upgraded from 2010, which is getting rickety but is still supported, to Office 2016.   Office 2016 will still be supported for some years to come, and with the availability of recycled licenses out of the EU one can upgrade to the top version, Pro Plus, for very little money.

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Re: excel is stop when edited comment finish

 

Could be a bug with excell, ring ms disability and see if they can reproduce it.

Office is updated frequently so.

On 24/01/2019 5:58 AM, 特種兵 wrote:
hi groups

  I use microsoft office 2016 and NVDA 2018.4.1
  excel is always stop when I edited comment finish everytime.
  I inserted comment then pressed esc to return excel sheet
  but I use arrow key can not move cursor and NVDA has no response anything until I pressed control plus s saved this file and alt plus F4 quit it
  then pressed enter key open this file and I see all things
  so anyone give me some advice if you know whats happen
  am I use edit finished method is error?
  thanks



Re: Open Office/libreOffice

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 05:04 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Please note that Gene did not say what is attributed to him below, and in fact
argued coherently against it. The comment was made by Travis.
True, and I have no idea how this misattribution happened.  I could have sworn that I replied directly to the post Travis offered, but clearly I used Gene's quote of Travis's material after his own offering.

Gene and I are on the same page, and I had no intention of attributing the comment saying that "as a service delivery is nonsense" [paraphrased] to Gene.
 
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Antony Stone
 

Please note that Gene did not say what is attributed to him below, and in fact
argued coherently against it. The comment was made by Travis.

On Wednesday 23 January 2019 at 22:51:51, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 03:40 PM, Gene wrote:
I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that
must be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use
the program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for
introducing such nonsense.
Antony.

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Re: NVDA and ads blocker

 

George,

         First, you need to have navigated to the page on which you wish to have it disabled.  Then:

1. Hit ALT to throw focus to the Chrome Menu button, then left arrow over until you find the uBlock Origin menu button (and, if you happen to have installed uBlock Origin Extra under Chrome, make sure that you're not on that button).   Hit Enter to activate the uBlock Origin Menu.

2.  Tab once to land on the "Disable uBlock Origin On This Page Button."   Hit Enter or Spacebar to activate it.

3.  uBlock Origin is now deactivated for that page until or unless you repeat this process again.  The Disable button is really a toggle - if uBlock Origin is enabled it disables it and vice versa.

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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

 
Edited

On Wed, January 23, 2019, 2:17 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing such nonsense. 
There are so many products that use this service model, and have for many, many years now, that this comment is nonsense.

You can use Office up through 2016 (and I think even 2019) as an installed program if you wish and there will be support for same for some years to come.

You certainly must never have been a JAWS user, either, as their model is very much "as a service" if you wish to have a version of JAWS that's keeping up with "what's happening now."

I strongly prefer installed programs that I am not paying for over time, but there's nothing wrong with selling service in that way.  Buying a high-end version of Office outright is a multi-hundred dollar proposition.  It will take quite a while to equal what you'd have paid for the installed version via "as a service" delivery model and you keep getting updates as well.
 
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Re: NVDA and ads blocker

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Brian,


How does one suspend uBlock Origin for specific sites?

I have used it for years and have not been able to do it.


Thank you,

George

On 1/22/2019 6:57 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Marcio,

         If you want a softer approach, then please just start out with uBlock Origin, which blocks ads and selectively blocks "annoying" scripts (my term, not theirs).  If you find you want something more aggressive afterward, then try NoScript.

          Both of these programs run in "install it and forget it" mode, but both are also wildly customizable if one so chooses.  I have not so chosen, except to suspend uBlock Origin on a couple of sites where I stream commercial TV content and cannot get it to work if uBlock is active.  What's funny is that adding the Privacy Badger extension brought back blocking of TV ads when streaming (or at least it did 2 days ago) which is something that used to work with both uBlock and Adblock Plus until ABC.com blocked all content if you had either activated.

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Re: Emoji in Office 365

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

And I’m using english OS and english Office on both systems…

 

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 22:33
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

 

Oops, that’s not correct, sorry, at home I’m using Win10 1809 with Office 365  and at work Office 2013 with Win 10 bbuild before 1809. But it is the same since ages, not depending from what Windows 10 version.

 

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 22:30
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

 

Latest Win10 1809, but it was the same as long I can remember…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 21:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

 

I can also reproduce this in Office 365.  Interesting that it's happening in Office 2013 as well, which version of Windows are you using Ralph?

 

We do have an open issue on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9120 that was opened a couple of weeks ago.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:24 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

This is also in Outlook 2013, just type a smiley like ": )", ": - )" or "; - )" (without the spaces)
They all will be reported as 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 10:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

Hello Quentin

Thank you for responding and for showing an interest to try and assist.

My friend provided the following steps to duplicate the problem:

Begin quote:

     Steps to reproduce


  1. Use Office 365 with latest updates and latest official NVDA release. The
     issue was present with previous Office 365 updates and NVDA versions too though.
  2. Open a blank MS Word document or new message in Outlook.
  3. Use the normal method to insert an emoji using the keyboard.


     Outcome when using NVDA


  1. Instead of producing the chosen emoji, NVDA inserts the digits "12".
  2. There is no way to ascertain if the correct emoji was inserted.
  3. When saving the document or draft, it is saved with the name 12, explained
     above.


     Outcome when using JAWS 2019


   * The emoji is correctly reported with no unexpected behaviour.


The bug has previously been reported to Joseph Lee, who blamed the
shortcoming
on Microsoft Office. This clearly is not the case, as outlined above.

End quote

Kind regards

Christo


On 2019/01/22 01:01 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Hi Christo,
>
> Can you please advise the steps to reproduce this?
>
> Which Office program?  Which emoji character?  If it's a document you have
> been sent, if you are able to forward it to info@..., I can have a
> look at the same file, otherwise, if it's one (or several) emojis, please
> advise how to select the appropriate one(s).
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:24 PM Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello NVDA developers
>>
>>
>> A friend who is not on this list asked me to report that when using NVDA
>> with Office 365 emoji are not shown; instead the number 12 appears in
>> the text. This only happens in Office 365 and not in older versions of
>> Office. He says that the opposition Shark handles emoji perfectly in
>> 365. Is this a know issue?
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> Christo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>






 

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Re: spellcheck with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Ann,

NVDA works with the newer style spell check pane in Word 2013 and later.  In Word 365, it works better again, but in Word 2013 and 2016 there are just a couple of things which aren't read automatically - When it moves to a new error, it doesn't report the context in 2013 or 2016.  If you can't work out the context from the error, press escape to move back to the document (at the error) and read the text around it, then press F7 to get back to spell check.  When you TAB to the suggested words, it does supply definitions but doesn't read them automatically.  In Word 365 it does read both the context of the error, and when you move to alternate words it reads the definition after each word.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:04 AM Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
How well does NVDA work with spellcheck?  In Office 2013? in 2016????






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