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Re: Can one selectively cut and past text from a wordd graphic identifier without the graphic?

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Well being the old codger I am I am using word 2003 with the file conversion add on.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one selectively cut and past text from a wordd graphic identifier without the graphic?


Brian,

Yes, absolutely, but exactly how one does this depends on what version of Office one is using.

For Word 2016:
* Select Graphic.
* Hit the Menu/Applications Key or SHIFT + F10, followed by A (Edit A lt Text)
* Select the Alt Text out of the dialog that appears then copy. It is the one and only text box that appears.

For Word 2010:
* Select Graphic.
* Hit the Menu/Applications Key or SHIFT + F10, followed by O (F o rmat Picture)
* In the format dialog that comes up, Alt Text is the last item in the list, once selected navigate to the Alt Text box to copy. There is a title and description box.

I do not know when "the split" in style occurred, so Word 2013 might follow either one of the above methods. I believe 2010 and older all use the method mentioned for 2010.
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Re: Can one selectively cut and past text from a wordd graphic identifier without the graphic?

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It did not seem to work in any mode, sadly.
Maybe a new day might make me have a sudden flash of inspiration.
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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one selectively cut and past text from a wordd graphic identifier without the graphic?


did you test copy your desire item while in brows mode?
it should works in brows mode i believe.

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So I have a .docx file, when loaded into word, I can hear a description of
the graphic. What I would like to do is cut the description but not the
actual graphic and put it and the text of the document into a text editor.
It seems not to be possible. Selecting the graphic tries to paste it all,

which of course fails. using object nav and the click three times to go to
clipboard does not work either. Am I being thick here?
Short of copying it by typing it, and its quite long there seems to be no

way to get at this description but somebody put it in, one assumes so I'd
have thought emulating what they did, should reveal it.
How?
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Re: ccleaner new version

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The problem is that the aggressive Avast people took over PiReform and I understand the old team were not particularly happy about this. In fact the malware was not bad, but I suspect was done deliberately by the disgruntled people who no doubt were getting the chop..
It has scanned OK and now they have at least given people the ability to turn off the snooping, at least we assume they have come clean completely as obviously the free version had to be subsidised by collecting metrics from the users.

The real power bits of ccleaner for me are the ability to look at browser add ons, and tasks and start up items and toggle them, also to see what system restore points are set and to remove old ones.
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From: "Desert Moon" <desert.moon@...>
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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


Hello,

Not a big fan of products like CCleaner. In September of 2017, it was widely reported that the backdoor was being exploited to have malware implanted. And another report last December:

The actual malware detected in CCleaner was found to contain malicious code: the attackers implanted their code in a legitimate product that received a legitimate certificate.

Who knows when or if the above will happen again. Use the product at your own risk.

--
Desert


Re: ccleaner new version

 

I doubt that its the case.

Adds are usually just spammy adds and I wouldn't trust them.

As for the portable version, its been the same version for ages and ages, that means your installed version from official ccleaner site, is the latest always and you can get it from the builds page.

And even if it became an avast product its not that bad as long as you still had portable.

Look at sophos, look at malwarebytes, malware bytes is a sophos product.

So it can work.

I will not install it but even so ccleaner is still good.

On 9/2/2018 8:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
In my experience the portable is normally an older version to the installed one.

I also noticed something in an advert on filehippo yesterday, an advert for an Avast system cleaning utility. Could we be nearing the end of ccleaner now they belong to Avast as it seems half the universe now does?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


I was trying to get the latest version of the portable Ccleaner.

Roger










On 9/1/2018 12:21 PM, Gene wrote:
Only use the portable version or the slim version. The other versions
are likely to install unwanted programs in additional to the actual
software.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

Can you please provide a link to the latest portable version? I tried
Googling it and there were several links there, but I tried them all and
none of them seemed to work. I found the download button but when I
activate it it just clicks and shows a screen shot of the Ccleaner
itself but no download occurred on any of those links I found.

Thanks.

Roger

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On 9/1/2018 12:21 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is
different.

The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings
that
existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting
issues with extra info added for that option including more
datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning instead to
explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at
startup anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more descriptions
but I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I can use
portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to
installed ever again.





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ccleaner

 

Hi.

The malware issue was only for a couple days, someone in the company had issues with them and so put malicious code in.

They took that seriously and handled it.

As for avast, ccleaner portable is what I would go for or slim.

To be honest once set right the only thing you miss from the installed coppy are the desktop and program shortcuts.

And from my descussion with ccleaner they are going to look at avast being in their installers.

Sadly, I have several friends saying that all cleaners ccleaner, etc are malware.

To avoid this they buy something like mcafee or norton.

Sadly we all know how bad those are.

Its what we have to remove from our computers.

I think ccleaner compaired to some is quite safe.

They are up front with what they install and you can use other things for installers or portable.


Re: ccleaner new version

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Not tried the latest but it normal does work. It might not work if you try it with a portable nvda though.

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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


I use to view the summary report by pressing alt+tab after ccleaner announces 100 percent analyse button, but that does not seem to work.

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

Thanks much! That worked like a champ! I bookmarked the page so as long
as the portable version is always on this page I can get newer versions
from now on. If they change the page with each new version, then it
won't work but I hope it will.


Roger









On 9/1/2018 1:16 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
this is the portable version of the ccleaner

https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download/portable



On 9/2/2018 4:05 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Can you please provide a link to the latest portable version? I tried
Googling it and there were several links there, but I tried them all
and none of them seemed to work. I found the download button but
when I activate it it just clicks and shows a screen shot of the
Ccleaner itself but no download occurred on any of those links I found.

Thanks.

Roger

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On 9/1/2018 12:21 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is
different.

The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings
that existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting
issues with extra info added for that option including more
datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning instead to
explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at
startup anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more descriptions
but I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I can
use portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to
installed ever again.





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Re: ccleaner new version

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In my experience the portable is normally an older version to the installed one.

I also noticed something in an advert on filehippo yesterday, an advert for an Avast system cleaning utility. Could we be nearing the end of ccleaner now they belong to Avast as it seems half the universe now does?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


I was trying to get the latest version of the portable Ccleaner.

Roger










On 9/1/2018 12:21 PM, Gene wrote:
Only use the portable version or the slim version. The other versions
are likely to install unwanted programs in additional to the actual
software.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

Can you please provide a link to the latest portable version? I tried
Googling it and there were several links there, but I tried them all and
none of them seemed to work. I found the download button but when I
activate it it just clicks and shows a screen shot of the Ccleaner
itself but no download occurred on any of those links I found.

Thanks.

Roger

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On 9/1/2018 12:21 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is
different.

The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings that
existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting
issues with extra info added for that option including more
datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning instead to
explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at
startup anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more descriptions
but I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I can use
portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to
installed ever again.





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Re: ccleaner new version

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By unwanted they mean avast anti virus, usually a couple of hours after you installed ccleaner. Then you need avastclear to get rid of it so it does not self install again later after you uninstall it.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


Only use the portable version or the slim version. The other versions are likely to install unwanted programs in additional to the actual software.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


Can you please provide a link to the latest portable version? I tried
Googling it and there were several links there, but I tried them all and
none of them seemed to work. I found the download button but when I
activate it it just clicks and shows a screen shot of the Ccleaner
itself but no download occurred on any of those links I found.

Thanks.

Roger

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On 9/1/2018 12:21 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is different.

The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings that
existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting
issues with extra info added for that option including more
datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning instead to
explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at
startup anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more descriptions
but I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I can use
portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to
installed ever again.





.


Re: ccleaner new version

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Yes that new google format is really awful making search a multi search process. It used to be intuitive now it is awful, sadly other search engines seem to be going the same way.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


Hi!
Thanks for the info below about CCleaner 5.46, with the Dropbox link to the new .ini file.
Talking of links, would it be possible to post one here where we can easily get the portable version of CCleaner, please? When my current portable version tells me there is an update, I'm taken to the Piriform site when I hit the "yes" button, and I can't find a download link for portable CCleaner there. Doing a Google search brings up different results every time, and the sites in the Google search results can be confusing anyway.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: samedi 1 septembre 2018 07:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner new version

Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is different.

The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings that
existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting issues
with extra info added for that option including more datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning instead to
explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at startup
anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more descriptions but
I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I can use
portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to installed
ever again.


Re: weather plus add on to work with cities in the united states.

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi,

you have to type: 92107 ,us
If you open the settings window of weather Plus and press f1 for help input, tii is explained.
In your case, you will found 4 results, the first is:
92107, San Diego, California, United States, 12796261

Cheers
Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@...>
To: "nvda groups" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus add on to work with cities in the united states.


Yes am talking about the add on for NVDA. I don't understand why I can not get the add on to work with the United States locations. How do I get it to work cause whenever I type in a US city it comes up with a different zip code that is not in the US. Is this add on supposed to work with in the United States or is it something if only you are in the UK. For example if I type in San Diego California the zip code is 92107 I try to set that as my city for some reason it is not taking it. So how can I get this to work?
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Re: who knows this?

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Hi


If it was the skype update i just got to night i had to alt/tab to bring
the focus to that UAC screen. I guess that was because i had a few
windows open. usually tabbing through it will tell you what it is you
can always use the more information link it gives you. If some things
are not read out make sure it is in focus and you can also use the nvda
key + letter B to have it read out.


Gene nz

On 9/2/2018 6:48 PM, P. Otter wrote:
hello, I have tried both tips that I have received in the forum.
so nvda key plus b and windows key plus m and then tab, unfortunately
both tips do not work.
in this case it was skype, it was mentioned that it was an app with a
microsoft approval.
but the name of the app remained hidden.
does anyone have another idea?
Or would it be an idea to build in a key combination here in nvda?

I think it's important to know what app or programm will update.
I want to know the name before I say yes or no.
cheers
paul otter

Op 1-9-2018 om 19:25 schreef Chris G:
For what it is worth, Narrator in Internet Explorer or ChromeVox in
Chrome doesn't read them either when tabbing.
In Narrator, you can do a caps-left arrow to read it, then a caps-right
arrow to move back to the edit field. You can do the same ChromeVox
equivalent command to get the info.

This is under Windows 10 1803.

Freedom may have worked some magic on their end to deal with these types
of controls.
Also if the site in question is relying on other libraries or plugins to
function, an upgrade from the third party may have changed something
that causes them not to read.  It is hard to know.

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On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 17:22:04 -0500
"Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

I need to make a correction.  I just checked and, for some reason, I
was wrong about Chrome.  When tabbing through the fields, it doesn't
see the text associated with the fields using NVDA either.  So the
question is, why does JAWS see it and NVDA not and how common is
this discrepancy on other sites.  Is this very rare or does it occur
often enough to be addressed by the developers?

Also, I didn't express myself with proper clarity in the quoted
message below.  I'm therefore rewriting certain passages to make
them properly clear. If anyone was uncertain what I was saying, here
is the more clear version.  The message appears below my signature.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?


The link is:
https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/My_Account
I tried the site with Firefox and it didn't read the fiels correctly
with NVDA.  It does with JAWS.  It is now, in my opinion a question
for NVDA developers to look at.  is this an NVDA problem or a site
problem?  Does this affect enough sites to be worked on or is the
number so very small that the correction, if there is one, isn't
justified?

Also, this form illustrates the reason people should be taught to
down arrow rather than tab through forms in general. Consider the
following quote from the form we are discussing:
Password (must be at least 6 characters and contain at least 1 number):
  JAWS sees the word "password" but the explanatory text about what
the password must contain is not read when tabbing.  That is
important information and a lot of people won't sign up successfully
without seeing it.  They won't include a number or it will be too
short.

There are a lot of sites that have information that may be important
between fields that is not read when tabbing. Again, another example
of poor Internet instruction.  There are forms where I know, as an
experienced user, that I don't have to worry about missing possible
information between the fields.  But what about all the
inexperienced users?  What about people who fill out a form, don't
know the importance of down arrowing instead of tabbing through a
form, and don't understand why the form is not being accepted?  Had
they down arrowed and seen information about the syntax to use in a
field, they'd know.

Experienced users may want to tab through unfamiliar forms but they
may have problems as a result.  the best way to deal with a form is
to down arrow through it and certainly, inexperienced users should
do so as a matter of routine.  And, of course, anyone should try
down arrowing through a form if information isn't read that is
necessary while tabbing.

Gene
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?


Hi, I had little luck with Jaws either on that web site. i still
could not
read what the fields were withoug messing about with different modes
etc.
Not sure what is going on and to be honest if its that hard to use
it, then
goodbye.
  I do worry though that we may be looking at different forms. If
somebody
wishes to actually post a direct link to the sign up page, I'm happy
to try
it directly.
  Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?


I would say no then, and see if you can find out

What happen with nvda b when the message pops up, Unfortunately some
programs tend to put text in as a graphic, so then you have a problem.
I assume you used screen navigation to get out of the yes no
buttons and
see if there is any text there?
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] who knows this?


hello friends from nvda,
I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in
windows
because of an update for example.
I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes
or no
to.
not even with the numeric keypad.
not even with nvda-key plus 7
who knows what to do?
thanks in advance!
paul otter






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Re: who knows this?

P. Otter
 

hello, I have tried both tips that I have received in the forum.
so nvda key plus b and windows key plus m and then tab, unfortunately both tips do not work.
in this case it was skype, it was mentioned that it was an app with a microsoft approval.
but the name of the app remained hidden.
does anyone have another idea?
Or would it be an idea to build in a key combination here in nvda?

I think it's important to know what app or programm will update.
I want to know the name before I say yes or no.
cheers
paul otter

Op 1-9-2018 om 19:25 schreef Chris G:

For what it is worth, Narrator in Internet Explorer or ChromeVox in
Chrome doesn't read them either when tabbing.
In Narrator, you can do a caps-left arrow to read it, then a caps-right
arrow to move back to the edit field. You can do the same ChromeVox
equivalent command to get the info.

This is under Windows 10 1803.

Freedom may have worked some magic on their end to deal with these types
of controls.
Also if the site in question is relying on other libraries or plugins to
function, an upgrade from the third party may have changed something
that causes them not to read. It is hard to know.

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On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 17:22:04 -0500
"Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

I need to make a correction. I just checked and, for some reason, I was wrong about Chrome. When tabbing through the fields, it doesn't see the text associated with the fields using NVDA either. So the question is, why does JAWS see it and NVDA not and how common is this discrepancy on other sites. Is this very rare or does it occur often enough to be addressed by the developers?

Also, I didn't express myself with proper clarity in the quoted message below. I'm therefore rewriting certain passages to make them properly clear. If anyone was uncertain what I was saying, here is the more clear version. The message appears below my signature.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?


The link is:
https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/My_Account
I tried the site with Firefox and it didn't read the fiels correctly with NVDA. It does with JAWS. It is now, in my opinion a question for NVDA developers to look at. is this an NVDA problem or a site problem? Does this affect enough sites to be worked on or is the number so very small that the correction, if there is one, isn't justified?

Also, this form illustrates the reason people should be taught to down arrow rather than tab through forms in general. Consider the following quote from the form we are discussing:
Password (must be at least 6 characters and contain at least 1 number):
JAWS sees the word "password" but the explanatory text about what the password must contain is not read when tabbing. That is important information and a lot of people won't sign up successfully without seeing it. They won't include a number or it will be too short.

There are a lot of sites that have information that may be important between fields that is not read when tabbing. Again, another example of poor Internet instruction. There are forms where I know, as an experienced user, that I don't have to worry about missing possible information between the fields. But what about all the inexperienced users? What about people who fill out a form, don't know the importance of down arrowing instead of tabbing through a form, and don't understand why the form is not being accepted? Had they down arrowed and seen information about the syntax to use in a field, they'd know.

Experienced users may want to tab through unfamiliar forms but they may have problems as a result. the best way to deal with a form is to down arrow through it and certainly, inexperienced users should do so as a matter of routine. And, of course, anyone should try down arrowing through a form if information isn't read that is necessary while tabbing.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?


Hi, I had little luck with Jaws either on that web site. i still could not
read what the fields were withoug messing about with different modes etc.
Not sure what is going on and to be honest if its that hard to use it, then
goodbye.
I do worry though that we may be looking at different forms. If somebody
wishes to actually post a direct link to the sign up page, I'm happy to try
it directly.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?


I would say no then, and see if you can find out

What happen with nvda b when the message pops up, Unfortunately some
programs tend to put text in as a graphic, so then you have a problem.
I assume you used screen navigation to get out of the yes no buttons and
see if there is any text there?
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] who knows this?


hello friends from nvda,
I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows
because of an update for example.
I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no
to.
not even with the numeric keypad.
not even with nvda-key plus 7
who knows what to do?
thanks in advance!
paul otter






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Re: ccleaner new version

Desert Moon
 

Hello,

Not a big fan of products like CCleaner. In September of 2017, it was widely reported that the backdoor was being exploited to have malware implanted. And another report last December:

The actual malware detected in CCleaner was found to contain malicious code: the attackers implanted their code in a legitimate product that received a legitimate certificate.

Who knows when or if the above will happen again. Use the product at your own risk. 

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Re: weather plus add on to work with cities in the united states.

Sue J. Ward
 

Yes am talking about the add on for NVDA. I don't understand why I can not get the add on to work with the United States locations. How do I get it to work cause whenever I type in a US city it comes up with a different zip code that is not in the US. Is this add on supposed to work with in the United States or is it something if only you are in the UK. For example if I type in San Diego California the zip code is 92107 I try to set that as my city for some reason it is not taking it. So how can I get this to work?
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Re: NVDA PORTABLE

 

hi.
i always follow new features, changes and bug fixes in different
versions of nvda.
i believe nvda since its version 2017.3 and later, has focus on
improving windows ten support, microsoft edge, braille and quantum
versions of firefox which i dont need any of them.
i wished to use 2017.2 which has some important features for me, but
unfortunately it is slow in web browsers, and even two or three times
made my keyboard and explorer unusable and made me to forceably
shutdown my system using power key!
the only version that sutes my needs and i did not experience such
problems on it, both using windows xp (my favorite windows version
forever) and even testing with windows seven, is nvda version 2017.1.

i realy love it, very fast and responsive, without hang or making
keyboard and system unusable and i wish and decided to keep and use
nvda 2017.1 forever by the grace of God!

On 9/1/18, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
thanks joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA PORTABLE


Hi,

Gene is correct, although I should emphasize that 2018.3 (at least in beta
form) will bring more than improved support for Windows 10. Some of the
other features include automatic braille display detection, announcing
grammar errors in Chrome if exposed by web authors, support for BrailleNote
QT (my work), improved list of languages in NVDA's general settings panel,
and a whole bunch of changes for developers.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 8:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA PORTABLE



Do you have service pack 1 installed on the Windows machine? that is
necessary. As far as I know, NVDA still supports machines withService Pack
1.



How important is it for you to run a current version. While I don't
follow what's new in NVDA closely since I have no need of what has been
changed, my impression is that for awhile, most changes are to keep the
program current and improve accessibility in Windows 10. Therefore, you
might do well running the last version that doesn't require service pack 1
if you can't or don't want to upgrade the machine.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 9:45 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA PORTABLE



hi all

i have the latest NVDA as a portable version on a flash drive, when i try
to run it on a windows 7 system, it is not working

it is saying windows 7 does not support this version

how is this?

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Re: weather plus add on to work with cities in the united states.

Ron Canazzi
 

OK, I guess its off topic then? That's what confused me.

On 9/1/2018 3:54 PM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,
you're not talking about the add-on Weather Plus for nvda, but a software of the same name that has nothing to do with this list and with nvda.

Cheers
Adriano

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To: "nvda groups" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 7:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] weather plus add on to work with cities in the united states.


 Hello I did install the add on and can not get it to work with cities in the united states. I even typed in the name and zip code I get this strange zip code starting with a 2 so how does the add on work with the cities in the united states? I could use some help in getting it set up for the united states.
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Re: new facebook captcha

Gene
 

I'm not sure the ADA doesn't cover private companies.  it certainly covers them outside of the Internet.  As I recall, there have been cases establishing that the law covers Internet sites, or at least sites like Amazon which are the Internet equivalent of public places. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha

Perhaps the ADA should be amended to cover private companies as well...
Though I'm not in the US and so can't really petition Congress, but maybe someone in the US could create an online petition to ask Congress to amend the ADA to cover private companies. This is not about regulating the internet, this is about protecting the rights of people with disabilities.


Re: new facebook captcha

 

Perhaps the ADA should be amended to cover private companies as well...
Though I'm not in the US and so can't really petition Congress, but maybe someone in the US could create an online petition to ask Congress to amend the ADA to cover private companies. This is not about regulating the internet, this is about protecting the rights of people with disabilities.


Re: kody

Adel Spence
 

I found a skreen reader for kody, but the setup is brokon. help! please and thanks

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] kody

hi there. can someone please help me with kody? its not talking with nvdA or jaws. you can install a skreenreader for it. but I doent know ware to get the skreenreader, and how to install it. can you please help me? if you want to ad me on skype, its adel.spence or you can email me at: adel.spence12@...
i'm wateing for your ancers


kody

Adel Spence
 

hi there. can someone please help me with kody? its not talking with nvdA or jaws. you can install a skreenreader for it. but I doent know ware to get the skreenreader, and how to install it. can you please help me? if you want to ad me on skype, its adel.spence or you can email me at: adel.spence12@...
i'm wateing for your ancers