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Re: {NVDA} Problems installing NVDA 2018.2.1 on a Win 10 Computer

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Hermann,

Do you currently have a newer snapshot build (such as 2018.3beta3) installed?  If so, if you try to install an older version of NVDA than the version which is currently installed, NVDA will warn that you are installing an older version.  Generally, that should be fine.  We recommend running the latest stable build of NVDA (which, as you note, is NVDA 2018.2.1), though of course we do also want people to test the beta builds to ensure there are no big issues before we do release the next stable version of NVDA.

Note that I am only referring to installed copies of NVDA there, you can have newer or older portable copies on your system without any notice from NVDA about having a newer or older version.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Hermann-Josef Kurzen <ymh005@...> wrote:
Hi!

I've tried to install NVDA 2018.2.1 on a Win 10 Computer.
After starting the installation I'm told, that I am trying to install an olderversion of NVDA. But there has never been NVDA on the Computer.

Is it advisable, to ignore this message?
 What is the possbiel reason for this message?


Greetings - Hermann.


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> Gesendet: Freitag, 31. August 2018 um 12:44 Uhr
> Von: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
> An: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Betreff: Re: [nvda] who knows this?
>
> Hi Paul!
> Here is what I do when I hear those choices and not a message!
> I just press:
> Windows+M to go to the desktop,
> And Press:
> Alt+Tab, and it says the message to me, along with the choices.
> That works every time.
> David Moore
>
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: P. Otter
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 5:12 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] who knows this?
>
> hello friends from nvda,
> I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows
> because of an update for example.
> I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
> I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no to.
> not even with the numeric keypad.
> not even with nvda-key plus 7
> who knows what to do?
> thanks in advance!
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Jonathan,

Good question.  NVDA also can read that "info bar" which is displayed with the message header which advises that you replied to a message when you have the message open.

What I was referring to was in the list of messages in your inbox (or any mail folder) itself, there is an icon which indicates that a message has been replied to or forwarded, which NVDA does not acknowledge.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@...> wrote:

I do believe that JAWS currently has no problems with the “info bar” that Outlook puts into messages indicating such items. So, are we talking about in the message list or in the message window.

 

Thanks,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 31, 2018 at 2:25 AM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook

 

Hi Christo,

 

My apologies for the misunderstanding, you are quite correct, whether a message has been replied to or forwarded is not reported.  This is a known issue.  We have looked into this earlier this year, and it appears we need a fix from Microsoft to expose the information correctly.  See our issue here if you are interested in further details (or subscribe to it to be notified of updates): https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6911

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin

I realise I wasn't clear enough. NVDA does in fact mention that messages are unread, but this is the only status announced. It stopped announcing that a message has been replied to or forwarded. I have just forwarded an e-mail to confirm what I am saying and NVDA does not announce that the message was forwarded. These various statuses used to be announced until around May.

Could you perhaps test these two scenarios, forwarding and replying and confirming if NVDA announces the status or not? If those work for you but not for me, you can let me know and I'll send you a log.

Thanks for attending to this.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/31 12:16 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Christo,


Can you please confirm what you mean by status?  Using NVDA 2018.2.1, NVDA 2018.3beta3 or NVDA alpha-15933,b3aff97c as I move through messages in the current version of Outlook 365, NVDA reads "Unread" prior to the sender and subject of messages which are unread (and nothing for read messages).


If a message is "flagged" it reads that information first, and if a message is categorized, it reads that information at the end.

 

If all of that isn't happening for you, could you perhaps send me a copy of your NVDA log to info@... ideally at debug level.

Kind regards


Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:

Hello all


I have noticed that the NVDA snapshots of the past two months or so no longer read message statuses in Outlook. This is true of Outlook 2013, Outlook 2016 and Outlook in Office 365. Could this be an unpleasant side-effect of the migration to WXPython 4? Can we look forward to this being fixed in the not too distant future. It really was such a helpful feature when NVDA used to announce message statuses.


Kind regards


Christo






 

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NVDA and Skype Accessability

Karmelo
 

Hi all,

I am a new member of this list from Malta Europe. I have Windows 7 and had to upgrade to the latest version of Skype 8.22. I would like to ask whether there is an addon from NVDA which makes the ap accessible.

Thank you very much,
Charles


Charles Borg
Sliema, Malta
E:
karm212@...


Re: ccleaner new version

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

The only special feature I found from buying a pro license is that you can contact the makers,  wupee!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

 

Well I would have prefured to be honest that I could buy a licence to

use ccleaner without any monitering as an on demand thing.

 

I don't care to buy pro, I don't need the features, I really don't.

 

I do think though that if they keep being to aggressive well who knows.

 

 

 

On 9/2/2018 8:49 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> The problem is that the aggressive Avast people took over PiReform and

> I understand the old team were not particularly happy about this. In

> fact the malware was not bad, but I suspect was done deliberately by

> the disgruntled people who no doubt were getting the  chop..

> It has scanned OK and now they have at least given people the ability

> to turn off the snooping, at least we assume they have come clean

> completely as obviously the free version had to be subsidised by

> collecting metrics from the users.

> The real power bits of ccleaner for me are the ability to look at

> browser add ons,  and tasks and start up items and toggle them, also

> to see what system restore points are set and to remove old ones.

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal E-mail to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desert Moon" <desert.moon@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 7:25 AM

> Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

> Hello,

> Not a big fan of products like CCleaner. In September of 2017, it was

> widely reported that the backdoor was being exploited to have malware

> implanted. And another report last December:

> The actual malware detected in CCleaner was found to contain malicious

> code: the attackers implanted their code in a legitimate product that

> received a legitimate certificate.

> Who knows when or if the above will happen again. Use the product at

> your own risk.

> --

> Desert

>

> .

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Dan Beaver
 

Virtual Memory is not RAM, it is storage space allotted on the hard drive which is used for swapping programs in and out of RAM.


Dan Beaver


On 9/2/2018 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:
This may be referring to the amount of virtual memory.  Absolutely not the cause of the problem.  If you had so little RAM in the computer that you couldn't even down arrow through a files and folders list, you couldn't run any programs except so slowly you wouldn't use the machine.
 
Gene----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Both thoughts to consider. Thanks. I wouldn't know where to go looking for the virtual storage setting.

On 9/2/2018 11:17 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

HI,


I hate to suggest this because I would hope that this kind of thing has been eliminated since I last did software development.


It sounds to me that what you are experiencing is like what used to happen when a program had a memory leak.  As time went by and more and more events happened memory would fill up and things would slow down.


I would expect that if this were the case many more of us would be seeing this behavior too but so far it doesn't sound like there are very many.


Is this possible?


Another thought is that have you checked to make sure the virtual storage setting is high enough on your system?  This used to happen if virtual storage was set too low.  Sorry, it has been too long since I last worked with virtual storage and I can't seem to find where this setting is on Windows 10.  Maybe someone else on here can suggest how to find it.


I hope this helps.


Dan Beaver


On 9/2/2018 2:02 PM, Kwork wrote:
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis








Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Jackie
 

Yeah--I was gonna suggest that. :).

On 9/2/18, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
Hmm, maybe it's time to remember and take my own advice that I gave
Jackie the other day that helped resolve her Firefox selection problem.
I didn't think of add-ons

Whether it works, what Gene advised is working better than how I was
doing things. It, just, gets, old, when, each, file, and, folder, name,
has, an, extra, pause, inserted, before, each.

Travis

On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

Hi,

Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.

Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t
use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for
a long time that the problem arises.  However, I’ve just spent 15
minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no
slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000
subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an
add-on which is causing this?  The reason I put this out is that I
have very, very few add-ons installed!

Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.

Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along
with the latest stable version of NVDA.

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system
used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I
don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I
don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest
of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.
Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a
Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA
developers to solve it.

Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down
arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object,
which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad
insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through
the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When
you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command
numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select
the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when
he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are
first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which
is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis




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Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Kwork
 

Thank you Tyler. That's an answer that makes sense to me.


"This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small
price to pay for a working system."


I'd be ok with that, a small price as you say.


People with System Access seem to be fine as well.

Travis

On 9/2/2018 1:19 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
The fault lies with both Microsoft and NVDA.
As far as I understand it, here's the issue. With UIA, you can tell it
which events you want to be notified about, and for which windows.
NVDA decided that it was going to listen to certain events from every
window on the system, and not just the one that had the focus. That
doesn't sound too bad, until...
If another application on the system isn't responding fast enough, UIA
stops notifying NVDA of events if NVDA is listening to certain
properties of that window (I think it was name and value change).

I'll lay out a simple, real-world example:
1. I start uploading a file in WinSCP.
2. I switch away from WinSCP into File Explorer. I guess WinSCP doesn't
respond fast enough to UIA, so UIA decides not to send NVDA events for
anything anymore. From then on, until that upload finishes or I close
WinSCP, my File Explorer won't read properly, nor will alt+tab or
anything else that depends on UIA.
This particular example isn't as bad as I thought, but my UIA does stop
responding for a few seconds at a time, and it's definitely noticeable.

I've heard that the next version of Windows 10 tries to fix this.
However, if NVDA simply listened to events from the currently running
application, I think this would be a much less severe problem.
This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small
price to pay for a working system.
Also, JAWS and Narrator don't have this problem, only NVDA.
For more info, see issue 8535 and its linked issues:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8535

On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Hi,


Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.


Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t
use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a
long time that the problem arises.  However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes
going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down
at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was
as quick as one which only had one or two in it!


The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an
add-on which is causing this?  The reason I put this out is that I have
very, very few add-ons installed!


Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.


Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with
the latest stable version of NVDA.


Cheers

Richard Bartholomew



*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system
used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I
don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't
use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my
general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who
know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem
or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.


Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down
arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which
it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert
numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the
list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you
want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad
insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the
item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she
double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first
selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the
same sequence a mouse user follows.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness


Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis




Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Kwork
 

Your doubt is confirmed. I wasn't sure that it would work, but I tried to be sure.

On 9/2/2018 1:18 PM, Gene wrote:
I doubt it.  It may vary from machine to machine for unknown reasons.  I think that if it were an add on, in the past discussions I've seen, that would have very likely been discovered as the problem was discussed and people tried various possible solutions.  I remember no such correllation.  There's no harm in running NVDA with all add-ons disabled to find out but I'm very doubtful.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Hi,

 

Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem. 

 

Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises.  However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

 

The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an add-on which is causing this?  The reason I put this out is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!

 

Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.

 

Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with the latest stable version of NVDA.

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 September 2018 20:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 

 

Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis



Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Kwork
 

Ok, done. We'll see over time how that goes. Thanks.

On 9/2/2018 12:58 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:
Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!
One cause of the slowness has been linked to having the preview pain turned on while running file explorer. Press alt+v and look through the view ribbon to determine the pane's state.


.


Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Kwork
 

Hmm, maybe it's time to remember and take my own advice that I gave Jackie the other day that helped resolve her Firefox selection problem. I didn't think of add-ons

Whether it works, what Gene advised is working better than how I was doing things. It, just, gets, old, when, each, file, and, folder, name, has, an, extra, pause, inserted, before, each.

Travis

On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

Hi,

 

Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem. 

 

Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises.  However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

 

The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an add-on which is causing this?  The reason I put this out is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!

 

Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.

 

Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with the latest stable version of NVDA.

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 September 2018 20:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 

 

Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis



Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Kwork
 

Hahaha, I hear you. I also rely much on the insert key, so it's death would not make me happy.

Gene's workaround actually helped me quite a bit.

Travis

On 9/2/2018 12:49 PM, Annette Moore wrote:

what I do, when NVDA doesn't read the list of folders or files in File Explorer, if I don't just become impatient and restart NVDA altogether, which does solve the probem temporarily, is to down arrow through the files because some of them I know from going through them before what they are, and just entering on the one I think is the one I want. If it isn't, I just hit backspace and keep going. I've found ways to deal with this File Explorer sluggishness, but it can be a pain. And I really hate to say this because I love NVDA, but it doesn't do this in System Access. System Access has its own quirks in Windows 10, though, one of which drives me even more batty than the sluggish File Explorer list not being read  quickly by NVDA, and sometimes not even at all, does, and that is what I call the dead insert key. I can live with a sluggish file explorer; I cannot live without my insert key. Another thing that helps is simply to close file explorer altogether and reopen it. I'm trying to figure out a pattern for why it does this, but I can't seem to. It *really* does it with Dropbox, though; in fact, when I copy and paste a file or folder from Dropbox into somewhere else on my computer, I just automatically restart NVDA. I don't even mess with it. So yeah, I've figured out ways to deal with it and I can live with it, but glorious will be the day when it no longer happens. I'll celebrate! Honestly! LOL!

Annette


On 9/2/2018 2:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 
 
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis





Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Kwork
 

Actually, that works, and does make looking through snappier for sure. If a large folder, I'll press the letter where I need to go that'll be close to the file name, then use what you described to get there.

One slight correction to your instructions, and it's slight: numpad enter once both selects the folder/file  entry and opens it. I also thought it would take two to go through the selection and activation process. It scared me when a file started playing immediately. LOL!

Travis

On 9/2/2018 12:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 
 
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis




Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA

Arnþór Helgason
 

Thank you very much for your information.

Rosemarie Chavarria told me about www.anyburn.com whicn solved my problems completely.


Arnthor


Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Tyler Spivey
 

The fault lies with both Microsoft and NVDA.
As far as I understand it, here's the issue. With UIA, you can tell it
which events you want to be notified about, and for which windows.
NVDA decided that it was going to listen to certain events from every
window on the system, and not just the one that had the focus. That
doesn't sound too bad, until...
If another application on the system isn't responding fast enough, UIA
stops notifying NVDA of events if NVDA is listening to certain
properties of that window (I think it was name and value change).

I'll lay out a simple, real-world example:
1. I start uploading a file in WinSCP.
2. I switch away from WinSCP into File Explorer. I guess WinSCP doesn't
respond fast enough to UIA, so UIA decides not to send NVDA events for
anything anymore. From then on, until that upload finishes or I close
WinSCP, my File Explorer won't read properly, nor will alt+tab or
anything else that depends on UIA.
This particular example isn't as bad as I thought, but my UIA does stop
responding for a few seconds at a time, and it's definitely noticeable.

I've heard that the next version of Windows 10 tries to fix this.
However, if NVDA simply listened to events from the currently running
application, I think this would be a much less severe problem.
This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small
price to pay for a working system.
Also, JAWS and Narrator don't have this problem, only NVDA.
For more info, see issue 8535 and its linked issues:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8535

On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Hi,

 

Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem. 

 

Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t
use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a
long time that the problem arises.  However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes
going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down
at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was
as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

 

The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an
add-on which is causing this?  The reason I put this out is that I have
very, very few add-ons installed!

 

Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.

 

Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with
the latest stable version of NVDA.

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system
used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I
don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't
use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my
general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who
know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem
or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 

 

Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down
arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which
it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert
numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the
list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you
want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad
insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the
item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she
double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first
selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the
same sequence a mouse user follows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis



Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Gene
 

I doubt it.  It may vary from machine to machine for unknown reasons.  I think that if it were an add on, in the past discussions I've seen, that would have very likely been discovered as the problem was discussed and people tried various possible solutions.  I remember no such correllation.  There's no harm in running NVDA with all add-ons disabled to find out but I'm very doubtful.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Hi,

 

Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem. 

 

Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises.  However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

 

The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an add-on which is causing this?  The reason I put this out is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!

 

Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.

 

Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with the latest stable version of NVDA.

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 September 2018 20:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 

 

Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis



Re: ccleaner new version

Gene
 

I don't know what options you are referring to when you use the term autosave.  Are you talking about cookies, a browser memorizing passwords, or both? 
 
Whatever the case, I'm saying that whatever you personally think, when making such a file you should not make decisions that are potentially destructive in execution that may remove information the person may want.  its up to people to decide what they want to do.  You can have your browser not remember login information and you can set your browser not to keep cookies, to allow cookies on sites you use only on a per session basis if you want.  But destructive actions that remove personal information if the person keeps it in cookies or anywhere else, should not be in a generally distributed ini file.  if you want to distribute two, one that removes what you have the current one set to remove and another that doesn't remove anything that's fine, as long as you let users know which is which in some way.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

Well to be honest jean its bad practice to have the autosaving of
passwords, but  people can customise things to what they want.

I personally think its safer to log in manually on all things.

However I don't clear passwords as such with this ini file that is at
the defaults I am always logging out though.



On 9/3/2018 7:44 AM, Gene wrote:
> The ini file should not be set to remove all cookies.  Third party cookies, fine, or however CCleaner removes tracking cookies and other cookies, most of which will be third party cookies.  but since far too many people rely on cookies to log into sites automatically and make the very serious mistake of not saving there user information somewhere where they can get it, in a password protected file, in Braille, etc. they will be unable to log into all their sites that require it and will manually have to enter their user information for every one.  If they don't have it, they will have to use the forgot password features on all such sites.
>
> When you create such a file and distribute it, you need to consider the way typical users use their computers, not jus how you do.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 2:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version
>
>
> Well the cookies line will repopulate.
>
> I tried!
>
> As for the avast cookies having them there will stop some adds coming
> aparently.
>
> As for your mailto entries, since my system is a system without any
> office program, and since I don't doodle with the applications I can't
> fix everything.
>
> The ini file is a general configuration file made for a general windows
> system.
>
> You will have to customise things manually if your configuration is
> different, maybe I should add this as a disclaimer or something.
>
> I don't include everything, yes I could but it slows things down.
>
> If you think you need to modify for yourself etc then you can do so.
>
>
>
> On 9/2/2018 10:35 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> I would take issue with you about your .ini file. If i run that with
>> ccleaner it will remove all the mailto links in the registry, so
>> nothing will use my default mail client when i click on a lingk to an
>> email address. I've put that all back as default now. Also, I have
>> also made the cookies line remove avast cookies.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 9:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version
>>
>>
>>> I doubt that its the case.
>>>
>>> Adds are usually just spammy adds and I wouldn't trust them.
>>>
>>> As for the portable version, its been the same version for ages and
>>> ages, that means your installed version from official ccleaner site,
>>> is the latest always and you can get it from the builds page.
>>>
>>> And even if it became an avast product its not that bad as long as
>>> you still had portable.
>>>
>>> Look at sophos, look at malwarebytes, malware bytes is a sophos product.
>>>
>>> So it can work.
>>>
>>> I will not install it but even so ccleaner is still good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/2/2018 8:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> In my experience the portable is normally an older version to the
>>>> installed one.
>>>>
>>>> I also noticed something in an advert on filehippo yesterday, an
>>>> advert for an Avast system cleaning utility. Could we be nearing the
>>>> end of ccleaner now they belong to Avast as it seems half the
>>>> universe now does?
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:32 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I was trying to get the latest version of the portable Ccleaner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/1/2018 12:21 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>>> Only use the portable version or the slim version. The other versions
>>>>>> are likely to install unwanted programs in additional to the actual
>>>>>> software.
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> *From:* Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:05 AM
>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you please provide a link to the latest portable version? I tried
>>>>>> Googling it and there were several links there, but I tried them
>>>>>> all and
>>>>>> none of them seemed to work. I found the download button but when I
>>>>>> activate it it just clicks and shows a screen shot of the Ccleaner
>>>>>> itself but no download occurred on any of those links I found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>
>>>>>> \
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/1/2018 12:21 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all portable ccleaner users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those that want to know what is changed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is
>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>> The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
>>>>>>> portable it just works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting
>>>>>>> issues with extra info added for that option including more
>>>>>>> datashheets for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning
>>>>>> instead to
>>>>>>> explain what it does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at
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Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Rob Hudson
 

Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:
Secondly, though,I dont find this slowness either with NVDA I dont use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, Ive just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

One cause of the slowness has been linked to having the preview pain turned on while running file explorer. Press alt+v and look through the view ribbon to determine the pane's state.


Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi,

 

Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem. 

 

Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises.  However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!

 

The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an add-on which is causing this?  The reason I put this out is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!

 

Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.

 

Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with the latest stable version of NVDA.

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 02 September 2018 20:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 

 

Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

 

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis



Re: ccleaner new version

 

Well to be honest jean its bad practice to have the autosaving of passwords, but  people can customise things to what they want.

I personally think its safer to log in manually on all things.

However I don't clear passwords as such with this ini file that is at the defaults I am always logging out though.

On 9/3/2018 7:44 AM, Gene wrote:
The ini file should not be set to remove all cookies. Third party cookies, fine, or however CCleaner removes tracking cookies and other cookies, most of which will be third party cookies. but since far too many people rely on cookies to log into sites automatically and make the very serious mistake of not saving there user information somewhere where they can get it, in a password protected file, in Braille, etc. they will be unable to log into all their sites that require it and will manually have to enter their user information for every one. If they don't have it, they will have to use the forgot password features on all such sites.

When you create such a file and distribute it, you need to consider the way typical users use their computers, not jus how you do.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 2:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


Well the cookies line will repopulate.

I tried!

As for the avast cookies having them there will stop some adds coming
aparently.

As for your mailto entries, since my system is a system without any
office program, and since I don't doodle with the applications I can't
fix everything.

The ini file is a general configuration file made for a general windows
system.

You will have to customise things manually if your configuration is
different, maybe I should add this as a disclaimer or something.

I don't include everything, yes I could but it slows things down.

If you think you need to modify for yourself etc then you can do so.



On 9/2/2018 10:35 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I would take issue with you about your .ini file. If i run that with
ccleaner it will remove all the mailto links in the registry, so
nothing will use my default mail client when i click on a lingk to an
email address. I've put that all back as default now. Also, I have
also made the cookies line remove avast cookies.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


I doubt that its the case.

Adds are usually just spammy adds and I wouldn't trust them.

As for the portable version, its been the same version for ages and
ages, that means your installed version from official ccleaner site,
is the latest always and you can get it from the builds page.

And even if it became an avast product its not that bad as long as
you still had portable.

Look at sophos, look at malwarebytes, malware bytes is a sophos product.

So it can work.

I will not install it but even so ccleaner is still good.



On 9/2/2018 8:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
In my experience the portable is normally an older version to the
installed one.

I also noticed something in an advert on filehippo yesterday, an
advert for an Avast system cleaning utility. Could we be nearing the
end of ccleaner now they belong to Avast as it seems half the
universe now does?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


I was trying to get the latest version of the portable Ccleaner.

Roger










On 9/1/2018 12:21 PM, Gene wrote:
Only use the portable version or the slim version. The other versions
are likely to install unwanted programs in additional to the actual
software.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

Can you please provide a link to the latest portable version? I tried
Googling it and there were several links there, but I tried them
all and
none of them seemed to work. I found the download button but when I
activate it it just clicks and shows a screen shot of the Ccleaner
itself but no download occurred on any of those links I found.

Thanks.

Roger

\










On 9/1/2018 12:21 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is
different.
The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings
that
existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting
issues with extra info added for that option including more
datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning
instead to
explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at
startup anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more
descriptions
but I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I
can use
portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to
installed ever again.





.







.



Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Annette Moore
 

what I do, when NVDA doesn't read the list of folders or files in File Explorer, if I don't just become impatient and restart NVDA altogether, which does solve the probem temporarily, is to down arrow through the files because some of them I know from going through them before what they are, and just entering on the one I think is the one I want. If it isn't, I just hit backspace and keep going. I've found ways to deal with this File Explorer sluggishness, but it can be a pain. And I really hate to say this because I love NVDA, but it doesn't do this in System Access. System Access has its own quirks in Windows 10, though, one of which drives me even more batty than the sluggish File Explorer list not being read  quickly by NVDA, and sometimes not even at all, does, and that is what I call the dead insert key. I can live with a sluggish file explorer; I cannot live without my insert key. Another thing that helps is simply to close file explorer altogether and reopen it. I'm trying to figure out a pattern for why it does this, but I can't seem to. It *really* does it with Dropbox, though; in fact, when I copy and paste a file or folder from Dropbox into somewhere else on my computer, I just automatically restart NVDA. I don't even mess with it. So yeah, I've figured out ways to deal with it and I can live with it, but glorious will be the day when it no longer happens. I'll celebrate! Honestly! LOL!

Annette


On 9/2/2018 2:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 
 
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis