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Re: Application key is not functioning properly

 

Hmmm interesting you should mention this jean.

I have the unenviable issue of my keyboard hitting keys its not supposed to.

Sometimes double enter, double delete, or something is hit, double letters usually the first or last letter hit.

I have doodled with windows keyboard repeat rate which has helped a lot, and the blink rate but really who knows.

Its not happening with anyone else but on nvda on my amd and maybe other systems it will just do that.

Could be my mechanical is dirty, I havn't cleared it for ages and keep putting it off.

But it happens with other boards to.

99% of the time I catch it, double enters, double folders opening.

The latest windows update had a few things being messed up, bits of some stuff being clobbered on various drives, even without me typing, opening during a notification and a lot of folders and actions randomly executing, etc.

I was able to doodle with settings for keyboard, and refresh my firmware and it appears to be back to how it was before.

Who knows why things are screwing up.

I just pulled a language update to my language pack and things havn't screwed up much at least not as much as before.

So who knows.

At least its not a september 2019, that really sucked.

As long as the system continues to continue like it is now then I can continue to use it, really don't have time for a full reload to fix a stupid input device issue and that won't be for at least the next 2 months so lets hope it solves itself.

It seems ok in any case.

On 13/02/2021 4:49 am, Gene wrote:
I've had it happen where, when I'm running NVDA, the context menu key doesn't work and with JAWS, it does.  I have no idea what the problem is but rebooting always solves the problem.  Closing and rerunning NVDA doesn't solve it, rebooting does.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Application key is not functioning properly

It would really help to know exactly what version of Windows and NVDA you are running as well.

The application/context menu key is not driven by NVDA, or other screen readers, but by Windows itself.  It's an even bigger mystery why it would work when NVDA is not running then stop working when it is.

Have you done a restart on your computer?  If not, definitely do one and see what happens afterward.


Re: Application key is not functioning properly

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
I have no idea what the problem is but rebooting always solves the problem.
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Hence the reason this is, "Step One," in virtually any set of troubleshooting lists.

Heaven only knows what confluence of events leads to these really, really weird behaviors.  The use of power cycling/restarting/rebooting has been the standard first thing to try since I've been in the computer business.  And, as you've noted, it very commonly works.
 
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Re: Finding the distance from the edge

 

Ann,

            Are you trying to determine what your margin is set at?  ALT+P,M will bring up the Margins control in the Layout ribbon.  The default is 1"/2.5cm on all margins unless another margin style was chosen.  If the document is known to have custom margins, just add an A after the above command and you'll open the dialog that lets you adjust each, separately, which will tell you where you are on your page when you're at the leftmost edge that you can begin typing at.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Application key is not functioning properly

Gene
 

I've had it happen where, when I'm running NVDA, the context menu key doesn't work and with JAWS, it does. I have no idea what the problem is but rebooting always solves the problem. Closing and rerunning NVDA doesn't solve it, rebooting does.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Application key is not functioning properly

It would really help to know exactly what version of Windows and NVDA you are running as well.

The application/context menu key is not driven by NVDA, or other screen readers, but by Windows itself. It's an even bigger mystery why it would work when NVDA is not running then stop working when it is.

Have you done a restart on your computer? If not, definitely do one and see what happens afterward.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: Application key is not functioning properly

Gene
 

Try rebooting and see if the problem disappears. If closing and rerunning NVDA doesn't solve such odd problems, try rebooting. Indeed, rebooting often solves odd problems.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: silver star siddarth mahajan
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 3:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Application key is not functioning properly



Hello members, this is Siddharth here. Basically, I am not much user of nvda, so I will be not using always. Today I'd just turned on to do some works using nvda, hence I was running an older version, it asked me to update to the latest one. After downloading and installing latest version, my application key is not functioning that how previously it was. If I hit application key on any folder or file, it's not bringing up any options, if I navigate through arrow keys, it simply stays silent. Unfortunately, the same problem is not happening with jaws or narrator at all. So I think there is something to deal with nvda itself.
Tried doing all the basic operations such un installing, resetting, But it didn't fix the issue. Hoping to hear from you all, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.


Re: Application key is not functioning properly

 

It would really help to know exactly what version of Windows and NVDA you are running as well.

The application/context menu key is not driven by NVDA, or other screen readers, but by Windows itself.  It's an even bigger mystery why it would work when NVDA is not running then stop working when it is.

Have you done a restart on your computer?  If not, definitely do one and see what happens afterward.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Application key is not functioning properly

silver star siddarth mahajan
 

Hello members, this is Siddharth here. Basically, I am not much user of nvda, so I will be not using always. Today I'd  just turned on to do some works using nvda, hence I was running an older version, it asked me to update to the latest one. After downloading and installing latest version, my application key is not functioning that how previously it was. If I hit application key on any folder or file, it's not bringing up any options, if I navigate through arrow keys, it simply stays silent. Unfortunately, the same problem is not happening with jaws or narrator at all. So I think there is something to deal with nvda itself.
Tried doing all the basic operations such un  installing, resetting, But it didn't fix the issue. Hoping to hear  from you all, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.


Finding the distance from the edge

Ann Byrne
 

When I tab, NVDA tells me the distance in centimeters from the left edge of the document. Is there a way without tabbing to retrieve this information?

Thx,

Ann


Re: Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with the new interface?

Joshua Tubbs
 

Is there an OCR addon for NVDA that's as good as the internal Windows 10 OCR that actually allows you to click things and has support for that? You can click with the current OCR but you can have the same issue you mentioned.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 1:19 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That's my understanding, but there are times when, for reasons I don't know,
the mouse doesn't move at all or to the desired location.  On some web pages
or on some controls on some web pages, I'm not sure what the case is, I
can't move the mouse to the desired location.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Tubbs
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with
the new interface?


Hi all,

I want to use a third-party app that requires me to get a Spotify URI
instead of the main URL.

Those without screen readers mouse over the "copy playlist/track/artist URL
link" option and hold down alt, where it will then change to copying the
URI.

However, I have had issues using NVDA. A mouse hover is like with the NVDA
virtual mouse simply moving a mouse to the object, or at least that's what I
thought it was.

Any help would be appreciated.










NVDA and Transifex

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

I would like to translate one software with Transifex. Maybe You have heard about It, but I don't know, if It is accessible, or no. There is also Audacity translation too.

Which experiences with this project You have?

Thank You.

Best regards

Marco Oros


Re: Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with the new interface?

Gene
 

That's my understanding, but there are times when, for reasons I don't know, the mouse doesn't move at all or to the desired location. On some web pages or on some controls on some web pages, I'm not sure what the case is, I can't move the mouse to the desired location.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Tubbs
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with the new interface?


Hi all,

I want to use a third-party app that requires me to get a Spotify URI instead of the main URL.

Those without screen readers mouse over the "copy playlist/track/artist URL link" option and hold down alt, where it will then change to copying the URI.

However, I have had issues using NVDA. A mouse hover is like with the NVDA virtual mouse simply moving a mouse to the object, or at least that's what I thought it was.

Any help would be appreciated.


Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with the new interface?

Joshua Tubbs
 

Hi all,

I want to use a third-party app that requires me to get a Spotify URI instead of the main URL.

Those without screen readers mouse over the "copy playlist/track/artist URL link" option and hold down alt, where it will then change to copying the URI.

However, I have had issues using NVDA. A mouse hover is like with the NVDA virtual mouse simply moving a mouse to the object, or at least that's what I thought it was.

Any help would be appreciated.



Re: Detecting misalignment in Microsoft Word tables

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 07:26 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
I wish NVDA would alert me to badly formatted tables.
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The problem being that "badly formatted" is a subjective thing.  I know what you're asking for, in that I presume you want a table with consistent column width and row height, with the possible exception of the heading row at the top, but there are a number of situations where that sort of regularity would be "bad formatting."  Admittedly a consistency to the table is what is wanted the vast majority of the time, but not always.

I imagine it would be possible for NVDA or any screen reader to report certain aspects, like a "short row" (somehow the height was reduced), or a skinny column (particularly if the content is wider), but it gets really, really tricky to do this.  

There are times where there is no substitute for vision, and when it comes to "pleasing layout" it gets even more complicated.  At some point there may be "designer AI" that can examine this sort of thing, but I don't know of anything even vaguely like that now.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


In-Process 12th February

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring news of NVDA 2020.4 RC1, a survey to help a user, a walkthrough of using Configuration Profiles, and NVDA community contributor Joseph Lee's TechVB interview


Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager


Re: Detecting misalignment in Microsoft Word tables

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Brian,

<snip More detail on step one is needed.  Using the Insert Table command (ALT+N,T,I), what is in the combo box next to the radio button you've chosen for fixed width?
PL] auto.

<snip My guess is that you want a tidy table where the column width for a given column is that of the widest item in that column (provided you're not dealing with text that is very long), and the easiest way to get that is to choose Autofit to contents rather than fixed width.
PL] Ah many thanks and thanks for the information about the office accessibility mailing list.

 

You have given me a solution to the problem of creating tables which is crucial. However, I wish NVDA would alert me to badly formatted tables.

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA and Outlook messages

Richard Wells
 

With Thunderbird latest (not beta) I am able to browse headings in Steve's message just as Brian describes.

On 2/11/2021 10:20 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Steve,

           I can't say what someone may experience in Outlook (or any other email client) since I read from the web interface.  But the H command in browse mode is landing me exactly where you'd expect, on the lines you state are headings in that message, when I'm reading your message via the web interface.

           Others will have to report what is occurring in their respective email clients when in the message, as HTML formatted messages should be "browsable" just like a web page is, and the commands should work the same way.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: List of shortcut keys for office 365 web interface?

 

Luke,

            Could you please clarify the following?  The outset of your message makes it sound like the context is the online versions of the Office suite programs, and difficulty using them.  That part's clear.  And it seems you might be asking about shortcut keys related to those, but maybe not.

             But you then ask about opening a document (by which I take it to mean any one of the various programs' specific file types) in its corresponding desktop app, and I get the impression that you believe this can be a sort of "flip it out of online and into desktop" with no intervening steps kind of affair.  would that be correct?

              See this page from the University of Colorado at Boulder, Office of Information Technology:  Office 365 - Accessibility of Office Online
What follows seems to fill the bill with regard to "flipping into desktop Excel/Word/Powerpoint" from Office online, but there's other useful information as well:

Open with Office for desktop

Every Office Online file can be opened in its corresponding Office desktop program, by selecting Edit in (application name) from the Edit menu. To open your file with your desktop software using your keyboard:

  1. Press Tab until you get to the Edit menu.
  2. Press the Enter key.
  3. Choose the Edit in (application name) option.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


List of shortcut keys for office 365 web interface?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi

I’ve poked around online but can only seem to find keyboard shortcuts for the desktop versions of Microsoft 365 office apps. I find the web versions of Excel, Word and PowerPoint to be difficult to use with a screen reader and I’m hoping somebody can point me toward a clear, concise list of useful shortcut keys. At the top of the list would simply be a keyboard shortcut for opening a document in its corresponding desktop app. As it is, I have to tab around and use different browse mode commands to find the button that allows you to do that.

Thanks!
Luke


Re: NVDA crashes when trying to forward Outlook messages

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 01:18 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:
About the Outlook message I tried to forward, it turns out that I accidentally mistyped the recipient’s address
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We all fat-finger on occasion!!   But that still doesn't explain an NVDA crash, particularly if you can reliably trigger same.  If you can, that's when careful information collection becomes critical.
 
If it was a one time fluke, then you just move along with life.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Announcement Only: This Moderator's Expectations of Group Members #adminnotice

 
Edited

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 01:14 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Anyone, of any skill level, is welcome to post to this group.
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And I'm repeating this to reinforce it.  At the same time, if you are a complete neophyte, completely confused about something, or similar please do not hesitate to say so.  That's how your potential assistants can determine exactly how to assist you.

When you're helping someone you know (or have every reason to believe, if they've given no other information) is not a rank beginner with something you'll most likely give much more abbreviated information with much less "hand holding."

I don't presume that anyone who's joined one of these lists is likely to be a rank beginner, in any sense, because getting to the stage where you even join forums or email lists is "not beginner" for most.  It would be silly to presume that.  But if you are, there's no shame in saying that, and, in fact, there's value to saying that, both for yourself and your potential assistants.

We are here to serve everyone, and I think the track record of this group over the years proves that we do.

But I still ask that even complete beginners, to the extent that they can, think carefully about the subject they use in their messages, which becomes the topic.  That's often a "one shot deal" that, if vague, means you'll get far less assistance than you might have.  Try to give as clear a picture as you can about the assistance being sought with that subject.  Subjects like, "Help Me!," are really, really not useful to anyone.  Subjects like, "What's the NVDA command to {do whatever}," or, "I need help with getting NVDA to work with {insert Braille Display name here}," by contrast, are very, very helpful.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 

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