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Re: NVDA and the audible app
David Griffith
I am afraid it is already here and not 3 years away at least here in the UK I found last night when I went to my audible Library the download facility now takes you to a so called “help” page which only gives the option of using Audible iOS, Android, Echo etc and Windows 10. There is an apparent option to use iTunes but if you follow the help on that it states you need the Audible app installed. As it is now imposible to download directly from the website this is very bad news indeed. I tried to open a “chat”with Audible support but after stating the problem they did not respond at all- I waited for 30 minutes for any acknowledgement. So for me as of last night Audible appears inaccessible for blind users of Windows and also for devices like the victor Reader Stream/Trek and Pocket Plextalk which could until last week support the playing of Audible books. As I am now blocked from accessing something like 60 books that I have paid for over the years I am not a happy customer. David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
From: Gene
Sent: 06 October 2018 11:06 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app
Eventually covers a long period of potential time. Are they going to cause problems for Windows 7 users and Windows 8 users while there are still many around? This sounds like something that may be perhaps three years away. I don't know when support for Windows 8 ends and support for Windows 7 is ending a little over a year from now.
Also, why assume the worst case? Why contact blindness organizations first? Why not discuss it with Audible and see what happens. Audible has a good record on accessibility. If there is a problem, talking with them may cause it to be solved.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app
Well do not use them myself, but their attitude is surely unacceptable and
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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
Richard Wells
I just finished upgrading eight machines without incident using
both the windows update method and the Media Creation Tool.
On 10/6/2018 2:31 AM, Robert Doc Wright
godfearer wrote:
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Re: Using Macrium Reflect Version 7 to Take A Full System Image Backup
Mobeen Iqbal
Hi. Image for windows and clone zilla are also excellent tools and fully accessible. Cheers, Mo.
On 06/10/2018 08:27, Robert Doc Wright
godfearer wrote:
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Re: Using Macrium Reflect Version 7 to Take A Full System Image Backup
Most restores are for recovery from drive failure of some sort, so you are correct that they occur outside the normal Windows environment. Most use Windows PE as part of that, but Windows PE is not Windows.
One also generally has to tweak UEFI/BIOS to change the default boot order, which is also inaccessible. Hence the reason I state I am not concerned with the recovery part. You will need an assistant if you're recovering from hardware failure or something like a terribly botched update as it involves doing things where no screen reader support is available. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . . ~ Bertrand Russell
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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
no.
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windows 10 is the largest tested software in the history of computers with a large number of insiders at least 20 million insiders. and no software is perfect even windows 7 or windows 8 is not perfect but all i can say is that they have at least admited the bug and are fixing it.
On 10/6/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
This article deals with business users of Windows 10 but my guess is that --
search for me on facebook, google+, orkut.. austinpinto.xaviers@gmail.com follow me on twitter. austinmpinto contact me on skype. austin.pinto3
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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
Gene
This article deals with business users of Windows
10 but my guess is that many of the issues, at least in terms of stability and
bugs in new full upgrades, refer to individual consumers as well.
And, you will see that there is an actual term, I
believe Microsoft uses and promotes it, "Windows As A Service." I
strongly maintain that Windows is an operating system before it is a service and
my view is that Microsoft has this backwards in Windows 10.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators
Edition I doubt admitting bugs is a new culture at
all. These releases are released six months apart. Either too many
changes are made atoo close to the time of release to test for properly, or
there is an insufficient testing base. If two full upgrades a year are too
much to test properly, then only havbe one. Windows users, I think, would
much rather have properly tested releases without the problems, some of which
cripple the systems of many users, when many of these releases are made.
Windows is releasing versions too quickly, it is my
guess because the emphasis has changed from stability to cramming new features
into Windows to entice people to use more services Microsoft makes money
from. Why did Microsoft give Windows 10 away for a year? Actually,
they aggressively badgered Windows users to upgrade. They didn't do so for
humanitarian reasons. They did so because Windows is far more a means of
promoting Microsoft services than it used to be.
I suspect the problem is both that new services are
added too quickly to be tested properly and that the sample for testing in the
insider program is too limited.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators
Edition Software is never perfect, and I, for one, prefer this new culture of admitting bugs. I don't have enough information and experience in developing software to judge whether or not their testing procedures are adequate, which is why I choose not to judge. Best, Felix Am Sa., 6. Okt. 2018 um 12:11 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>: > > Maybe these full updates of Windows, released every six months, and which are, in effect, new full versions of Windows, aren't sufficiently tested before release. How many update cycles have wee seen where there are major problems with the release? Maybe the insiders program isn't large enough or maybe no or insufficient effort is made to make sure those testing cover a wide enough variety of different brands and models of machines. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Austin Pinto > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:40 AM > To: nvda > Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition > > Please wait for some days the update is withdrawn due to a major bug > > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote: >> >> I would suggest using the mediaCreator that Microsoft offers on their web site. It is a lot faster than the update assistant.Normally it is used for creating a useable flashdrive to boot and install from but it works just as well when run from your download folder. also, if you find yourself in need of doing a clean install of windows this is the tool to use. i have done a clean install with no sighted help. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rosemarie Chavarria >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 4:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition >> >> Hi, Abbie, >> >> >> >> I didn't have that problem when I was upgrading. I don't understand what could be happening. >> >> >> >> Rosemarie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor >> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 3:51 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition >> >> >> >> What about files being lost? Someone on another forum said all his files in his documents folder disappeared after he upgraded. I know it's a good idea to back things up before upgrading, but I'm wondering if anyone else had this experience after upgrading. >> -- >> Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author >> http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com >> http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com >> abbietaylor945@... > >
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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
Gene
I doubt admitting bugs is a new culture at
all. These releases are released six months apart. Either too many
changes are made atoo close to the time of release to test for properly, or
there is an insufficient testing base. If two full upgrades a year are too
much to test properly, then only havbe one. Windows users, I think, would
much rather have properly tested releases without the problems, some of which
cripple the systems of many users, when many of these releases are made.
Windows is releasing versions too quickly, it is my
guess because the emphasis has changed from stability to cramming new features
into Windows to entice people to use more services Microsoft makes money
from. Why did Microsoft give Windows 10 away for a year? Actually,
they aggressively badgered Windows users to upgrade. They didn't do so for
humanitarian reasons. They did so because Windows is far more a means of
promoting Microsoft services than it used to be.
I suspect the problem is both that new services are
added too quickly to be tested properly and that the sample for testing in the
insider program is too limited.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators
Edition Software is never perfect, and I, for one, prefer this new culture of admitting bugs. I don't have enough information and experience in developing software to judge whether or not their testing procedures are adequate, which is why I choose not to judge. Best, Felix Am Sa., 6. Okt. 2018 um 12:11 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>: > > Maybe these full updates of Windows, released every six months, and which are, in effect, new full versions of Windows, aren't sufficiently tested before release. How many update cycles have wee seen where there are major problems with the release? Maybe the insiders program isn't large enough or maybe no or insufficient effort is made to make sure those testing cover a wide enough variety of different brands and models of machines. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Austin Pinto > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:40 AM > To: nvda > Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition > > Please wait for some days the update is withdrawn due to a major bug > > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote: >> >> I would suggest using the mediaCreator that Microsoft offers on their web site. It is a lot faster than the update assistant.Normally it is used for creating a useable flashdrive to boot and install from but it works just as well when run from your download folder. also, if you find yourself in need of doing a clean install of windows this is the tool to use. i have done a clean install with no sighted help. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rosemarie Chavarria >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 4:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition >> >> Hi, Abbie, >> >> >> >> I didn't have that problem when I was upgrading. I don't understand what could be happening. >> >> >> >> Rosemarie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor >> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 3:51 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition >> >> >> >> What about files being lost? Someone on another forum said all his files in his documents folder disappeared after he upgraded. I know it's a good idea to back things up before upgrading, but I'm wondering if anyone else had this experience after upgrading. >> -- >> Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author >> http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com >> http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com >> abbietaylor945@... > >
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Re: 38 degrees
Peter Beasley
I use Windows mail. I also have outlook, but using that the graphic does not show up.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 October 2018 11:30 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] 38 degrees
What are you using to get your email? IE is it a client, if so, which one and is it set to display in html? If its online web mail which site is it? Personally I've had some horribly designed hover over rubbish sent to me from these sort of sites and ended up viewing the page source to get at the links.
Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@...> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 11:22 AM Subject: [nvda] 38 degrees
I get e-mails from 38 degrees which is a petition site. Until recently, I had no problem entering on links to sign their petitions. Instead of an ordinary link, what I get now is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I only use NVDA, so has anyone got any ideas on how I can click on these links.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: google chrome
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
This is true. Sometimes there would be an alert notification asking you: Are you sure you want to leave this page? If you don't respond to that prompt, you're not going anywhere. NVDA doesn't tell you when one discretely pops up. Maybe it's due to how Chrome displays them.
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Wish there was a way to disable those stupid alerts for I'm not so old that I don't realize if I want to leave a page or not.
On 10/5/2018 2:48 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That depends on the way the page is designed. Many pages stop you going back which is one reason tabbed browsing was invented of course.
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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
Felix G.
Hi!
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Software is never perfect, and I, for one, prefer this new culture of admitting bugs. I don't have enough information and experience in developing software to judge whether or not their testing procedures are adequate, which is why I choose not to judge. Best, Felix Am Sa., 6. Okt. 2018 um 12:11 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:
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Re: 38 degrees
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
What are you using to get your email?
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IE is it a client, if so, which one and is it set to display in html? If its online web mail which site is it? Personally I've had some horribly designed hover over rubbish sent to me from these sort of sites and ended up viewing the page source to get at the links. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@gmail.com> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 11:22 AM Subject: [nvda] 38 degrees I get e-mails from 38 degrees which is a petition site. Until recently, I had no problem entering on links to sign their petitions. Instead of an ordinary link, what I get now is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I only use NVDA, so has anyone got any ideas on how I can click on these links. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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38 degrees
Peter Beasley
I get e-mails from 38 degrees which is a petition site. Until recently, I had no problem entering on links to sign their petitions. Instead of an ordinary link, what I get now is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I only use NVDA, so has anyone got any ideas on how I can click on these links.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
Gene
Maybe these full updates of Windows, released every
six months, and which are, in effect, new full versions of Windows, aren't
sufficiently tested before release. How many update cycles have wee seen
where there are major problems with the release? Maybe the insiders
program isn't large enough or maybe no or insufficient effort is made to make
sure those testing cover a wide enough variety of different brands and models of
machines.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Austin Pinto
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:40 AM
To: nvda
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators
Edition Please wait for some days the update is withdrawn due to a major bug On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...>
wrote:
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Re: NVDA and the audible app
Gene
Eventually covers a long period of potential
time. Are they going to cause problems for Windows 7 users and Windows 8
users while there are still many around? This sounds like something that
may be perhaps three years away. I don't know when support for Windows 8
ends and support for Windows 7 is ending a little over a year from
now.
Also, why assume the worst case? Why contact
blindness organizations first? Why not discuss it with Audible and see
what happens. Audible has a good record on accessibility. If there
is a problem, talking with them may cause it to be solved.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app arrogant in the extreme in my view. I'd actually report this to the blind organisations in the country they are in and let them have a poke at them. I would imagine they might well be shooting themselves in the foot if they stop supporting things that actually work in favour of some snazzy heap of windows app which is a format many people seem to think ill conceived and pretty dire even for the sighted. Yes its probably more secure, but that is not the main issue. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:07 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app > Hi, > This is mainlya request for the developers, but I'm posting it here hoping > someone tells me I am mistaken. > I use the Aubible website for Audio book purchases and downloads. I > conteacted Audible with a request of helping me fix an issue with the > Audible download manager. > WHile they helped me fix the issue, the woman warned me that they would > eventually phase out the Audible download manager because of the Audible > app for Windows 10. > As of right now, unless I am very much mistaken, NVDA nor JAWS will work > with the Audible app for Windows 10. > I would ask that someone look into this as it may become necessary for > those of us that use the website to use the app to download books in the > future. > The lady I talked to said she could not give me a time frame on when they > would do away with the Audible download manager, but that they had already > stopped updating it. > Regards > Chris > > >
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Re: google chrome
Gene
You may continue to do that, of course if you wish,
but it's much more efficient and pleasant to just use the methods I've
discussed.
And there are some sites, referred to as mouse
traps, that don't let you go back intentionally. using the methods I gave
keeps you from being caught in one.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome What i have been having to do is: make sure my
cursor is sitting on text and not a link, alt+leftArrow and then press the
applications key and back shows up there and I enter on it.
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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
Please wait for some days the update is withdrawn due to a major bug
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I would suggest using the mediaCreator that
Microsoft offers on their web site. It is a lot faster than the update
assistant.Normally it is used for creating a useable flashdrive to boot and
install from but it works just as well when run from your download folder. also,
if you find yourself in need of doing a clean install of windows this is the
tool to use. i have done a clean install with no sighted help.
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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
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this only happens if you choose not to maintain
your default folders. Such as the folders that fall under the users
folder.music.
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Re: NVDA and the audible app
Felix G.
Hi!
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This is not a real replacement for the download manager or the app, but their iOS app is accessible, and so is their web-based cloud player, so at least there are other online and offline ways of listening. Still, I agree that releasing an inaccessible Windows app was very 20th century on their part and, being market leader in this field, they are beyond excuse. Best, Felix Am Sa., 6. Okt. 2018 um 08:52 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>:
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Re: Using Macrium Reflect Version 7 to Take A Full System Image Backup
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
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You might check out Casper. I used it to clone my C
drive to an SSD drive and it worked flawlessly with no accessibility hiccups.
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