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Re: [Solved] Synth ring not working

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Brian, thanks for that info. The real problems happen when I try to use the full-sized keyboard but forget to connect it, LOL.

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 24, 2021 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Solved] Synth ring not working

 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 06:00 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

I forgot that I still have to use the laptop keyboard layout even though I am using an external full keyboard.

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And a big SECONDED!! of Luke's observation that you absolutely do not have to use the laptop keyboard layout unless you are using a laptop directly, and that laptop has a keyboard that does not have the built-in number pad (which is relatively few of them, but they do exist).  If you have one of those, but have an external full sized keyboard connected, and wish to use desktop layout instead, all you need to do is tweak your NVDA configuration.

If your laptop with "compact keyboard" is not ever being used as an actual laptop when out of wherever you usually use it, and is effectively non-mobile, then if you're using an external full-sized keyboard it's perfectly safe to change your layout to desktop.  The problem would come in when you unplug that external keyboard and were to try to use the laptop without it, and forgot to switch back to laptop layout before doing so.
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Re: Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

 

I do not know if other English speaking countries routinely say, Fam ill ee, but based on the amount of British TV I watch, it's not common there.

The 'i' in family has been elided out for longer than I've been alive, and that elision really can't be called "incorrect."

And I have plenty of pet peeves on pronunciation and usages, too, but in the end the only way a language is correctly described is "as it is spoken or written," and the two are not necessarily the same.  All languages evolve over time.  There are people who rail at the use of "enormity" for "enormousness" and "gay" for "homosexual."  Those ships, and many others, have sailed the moment that most speakers of a language community understand exactly what's meant when a non-preferred usage occurs.

I'm almost sixty years old, and the only time I've encountered the I in family voiced is in poetry or song, and not often then.
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Re: Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

Dan Beaver
 

If you are meaning that Family is being pronounced as though it is spelled famly instead then yes.  I believe it is because most of american culture has started pronouncing it this way so they changed the pronunciation dictionaries so it says it this way.  Our language is becoming corrupted and it drives me crazy.  I have to keep a very careful watch onmyown speech so I can delay my sliding into this situation myself.  You can probably make a correction in the pronunciation dictionary to make it speak correctly if you want.


Dan Beaver

On 4/26/2021 3:38 PM, Timothy Appleby wrote:

Hi all. I just want to find out if anyone else had experienced that the word “Family” is being mispronounced with some speech engines, it would be helpful if someone could chime in here.

 

Thanks in advance;

 

Tim Appleby.

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Re: Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

 

I have not experienced this and agree with Luke on the need for additional specific information.

That being said, if it is a synth/speech engine issue, then it's not NVAccess that would be remedying that, and you could work around it via the speech dictionaries (probably the voice dictionary, if it's for a specific voice).
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Re: Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I haven’t noticed it.

 

 

 

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From: Timothy Appleby
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

 

Hi all. I just want to find out if anyone else had experienced that the word “Family” is being mispronounced with some speech engines, it would be helpful if someone could chime in here.

 

Thanks in advance;

 

Tim Appleby.

 


Re: Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

Luke Davis
 

Timothy Appleby wrote:

Hi all. I just want to find out if anyone else had experienced that the word “Family” is being mispronounced with some speech engines, it would be helpful
if someone could chime in here.
Okay, I'll chime... No, I have not observed that.
But asking a large-scoped yes or know question, when you really want to find out if anyone is having the same problem, is not likely to get you the answers you want. Provide more information and you might get somewhere.

It would be helpful to indicate which speech engines have given you issues with this word, and in which way they mispronounced it.
In what context (MS Word, web browsers, everywhere) has this happened?

Luke


Re: Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you give an example?

 

Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Timothy Appleby
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

 

Hi all. I just want to find out if anyone else had experienced that the word “Family” is being mispronounced with some speech engines, it would be helpful if someone could chime in here.

 

Thanks in advance;

 

Tim Appleby.


Noticing that "Family" being mispronounced with some speech engines

Timothy Appleby
 

Hi all. I just want to find out if anyone else had experienced that the word “Family” is being mispronounced with some speech engines, it would be helpful if someone could chime in here.

 

Thanks in advance;

 

Tim Appleby.


locked Re: OneCore Voices

 

And because the question is certain to arise again, and so instructions are on the group archive, here are step-by-step instructions for adding OneCore Voices to Windows 10 . . .

Adding Additional OneCore Voices to  Windows 10:
1. Settings, Time & Language, Speech Pane
2. Navigate to the Manage Voices Grouping, Add Voices button and activate.
3. The Voice packages dialog opens and the first thing in it is a search box that allows you to enter the language you're looking for.  It's a good idea to enter something here as it makes the list that you select from that follows focused on that language and its dialects.
4. There will be a checkbox for each language/dialect, check the one(s) for the voices(s) you want.
5. Activate the Add button and the voices you have chosen will be added under Windows 10 for any program(s) that can use them.  How you select those voices is specific to the program in which they are being selected, and should be documented in that program's user guide.
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locked Re: OneCore Voices

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 01:34 PM, Daveed Mandell wrote:
but for some of us it is not
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Then ask for assistance, in the appropriate venue, which is not here, with the issue.  The fact that it is difficult for you means you need to seek the assistance you need, not complain that others who do not share your experience are sharing theirs, which is at odds with yours.

OneCore Voices are not an NVAccess product, they are a Microsoft product, and NVAccess is not and should not be responsible for documenting them.  They are doing the 100% appropriate thing and referring individuals directly to the documentation from the correct source.

If you wish to pursue this further, then please open a topic on the Chat Subgroup or the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group.

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locked Re: OneCore Voices

Chris Smart
 

Daveed,

I'm not sure what you are trying to say in your post below.

If you are dictating, and I suspect you are, simply say the punctuation you need, when you need it, like this:


Hi comma my name is Chris period


If you're still confused about OneCore voices, here's the relevant section from the NVDA User Guide again.


14.5. Windows OneCore Voices
Windows 10 includes new voices known as "OneCore" or "mobile" voices. Voices are provided for many languages, and they are more responsive than the Microsoft voices available using Microsoft Speech API version 5. On Windows 10, NVDA uses Windows OneCore voices by default (eSpeak NG is used in other releases).
To add new Windows OneCore voices, go to "Speech Settings", within Windows system settings. Use the "Add voices" option and search for the desired language. Many languages include multiple variants. "United Kingdom" and "Australia" are two of the English variants. "France", "Canada" and "Switzerland" are French variants available. Search for the broader language (such as English or French), then locate the variant in the list. Select any languages desired and use the "add" button to add them. Once added, restart NVDA.
Please see this Microsoft article for a list of available voices:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/appendix-a-supported-languages-and-voices-4486e345-7730-53da-fcfe-55cc64300f01


and yes, that link does work.

On 2021-04-26 1:34 p.m., Daveed Mandell wrote:
I find Microsoft one core voices article to be extremely confusing not all of the keys please respect that many of you are saying well it’s very easy to figure out what may be for you it is and that’s very good but for some of us it is not thank you


On Apr 26, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Since getting these on a Windows machine is actually something one does under Windows (NVDA can "pick these up" once they're there) I'd be voting no.  I also have seldom had a broken link for any Microsoft support page for something new-ish.  Ancient stuff is another story.
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locked Re: OneCore Voices

Daveed Mandell <daveedmandell@...>
 

I find Microsoft one core voices article to be extremely confusing not all of the keys please respect that many of you are saying well it’s very easy to figure out what may be for you it is and that’s very good but for some of us it is not thank you


On Apr 26, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Since getting these on a Windows machine is actually something one does under Windows (NVDA can "pick these up" once they're there) I'd be voting no.  I also have seldom had a broken link for any Microsoft support page for something new-ish.  Ancient stuff is another story.
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Re: Reading just text in red

 

If, by chance, the changes are not being made in conjunction with the track changes feature, at least in word you can use the advanced find option [ALT+H,FD,A], format button, font option, to find something that is a specific color.  You need put nothing in the find string, but need to set the color you're looking for.   If you don't set the specific font or any of the other attributes than color, it's only searching for any text in any font in any size that is the color specified.

If you want to get heavy-duty into advanced find in the Office Suite programs I'd suggest heading over to the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group and going crazy with questions there. 
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Re: Reading just text in red

Tony Malykh
 

Not quite what you're looking for, but in my BrowserNav add-on, I have a keystroke "Jump to next format change" assigned to tilde key by default (`). You can use it to find the next word written in a different color, but then you'd have to still manually check the color for example with NVDA+F keystroke.

HTH

--Tony


On 4/16/2021 1:36 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:

Dear all,

 

Does NVDA offer a way to read only the text which is shown in red, or only the text which is shown in a color other than the predominant color in a given e-mail message or Word/Excel document?

 

I sometimes get e-mail messages where someone has made comments in a color which is different from that of the text being commented. I am hoping there is a quick way to tell NVDA to just read that portion of the document.

 

Thanks,

 

Fernando

 


Golden Cursor Add-On And Automatic Follow mode

Viny
 

Hi, Everyone.


When I use the add-on Golden Cursor, all the actions I do are not report in automatic follow mode. Why Golden Cursoor works only in review mode, not in Automatic follow mode? Is there something to change that in nvda parameters?

Thanks for answers.


locked Re: OneCore Voices

Gene
 

Often, statements that are factually correct may be misunderstood.  Advertising takes advantage of this.  I know what it said but because I read it more than once to make sure what it was saying, I think it may mislead some people. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A clarification regarding the user guide and One Core Voices
 
On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:37 AM, Gene wrote:
Voices
are provided for many languages, and they are more responsive than the
Microsoft voices available using Microsoft Speech API version 5.
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How that could be construed as applying to anything other than Microsoft voices is beyond me.  It explicitly states "Microsoft voices."  That's about as clear as it gets.  There are lots of other voices that use MS SAPI5, but those are not Microsoft voices.  They're made by whoever they happen to be made by.
 
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locked Re: OneCore Voices

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:37 AM, Gene wrote:
Voices
are provided for many languages, and they are more responsive than the
Microsoft voices available using Microsoft Speech API version 5.
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How that could be construed as applying to anything other than Microsoft voices is beyond me.  It explicitly states "Microsoft voices."  That's about as clear as it gets.  There are lots of other voices that use MS SAPI5, but those are not Microsoft voices.  They're made by whoever they happen to be made by.
 
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locked OneCore Voices

Gene
 

In part, the user guide says the following regarding One Core Voices:
Windows 10 includes new voices known as "OneCore" or "mobile" voices. Voices
are provided for many languages, and they are more responsive than the
Microsoft voices available using Microsoft Speech API version 5.

I think some or perhaps many people reading the sentence, may draw an
incorrect conclusion. The sentence is correct and it specifies Microsoft
voices. But I think another sentence should be added that other voices,
such as the MSAPI version of Eloquence, are as or more responsive. I don't
know if they are more responsive and someone familiar with both would have
to write the statement accurately.

My point is that, worded as it is, it is easy for people to misunderstand
what is written as applying to all MSAPI5 voices.

Gene


locked Re: OneCore Voices

Chris
 

Its really easy to figure out, to add voices is to type add voices into windows search (unless you need instruction  on how to search) and hit enter on add speech voices, and you should land on the add voices button under settings, hit enter, and choose your language to add the voices by hitting space to select then hit the add button, and then they should download

 

 

 

From: Daveed Mandell
Sent: 26 April 2021 14:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OneCore Voices

 

Hello:

Would it be possible to provide instructions in the User Guide for adding OneCore voices, instead of referring us to a rather unclear Microsoft article, whose link is often broken? Many, many thanks for your consideration.

Best regards,
Daveed Mandell

 


locked Re: emails in Outlook Express

 

This is an instance where I am invoking group rules and locking a topic.  It has been made abundantly clear in the Welcome Message, Monthly Reminder, and several Admin Notices that out-of-support software is not to be discussed on the NVDA Group, only the Chat Subgroup.  Outlook Express has been out of support for many years now and on top of that poses a security risk to use.  From the Welcome Message that includes the Group Rules:

The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

Unsupported versions of any software may only be discussed on the Chat Subgroup, not the main NVDA Group. 

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