Date   

waterfox portable and enabling accessibility support?

 

The portable version of WF seems to not have any accessibility support enabled. I tried to fix this by doing the reverse of, turning off accessibility support in FF's about config settings but nothing works. The desktop version has partial support enabled, but does anyone know which Bullion or integer I need to change in order to have full accessibility support in the portable version? The developer is extremely hard to get ahold of.


how do I get nvda to read progress bars in the background?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

Is there a way to get nvda to announce progress bars in the background? I want to do other things on my computer, but still want to hear nvda announce progress bar information.

Thanks.


Re: Browse mode and focus

Tony Malykh
 

I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io <anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2039
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:

Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
Follow me on Twitter
Follow or add me on Facebook
Ask me something on CuriousCat
________________________________
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
________________________________
My WhatsApp
________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix














Re: Browse mode and focus

Tony Malykh
 

Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony

On 12/21/18, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2039
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:

Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something like
Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind person
is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
Follow me on Twitter
Follow or add me on Facebook
Ask me something on CuriousCat
________________________________
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
________________________________
My WhatsApp
________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix












Re: I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates

molly the blind tech lover
 

It's fixed now.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 4:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates

Which version of nvda is on the laptop?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates


Thanks. My other machine has the check for add on update option in the nvda
tools menu, but on this laptop that option is not there. I don't know why.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via
Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



Go to the NVDA Menu (NVDA+N)
Search for Tools
Enter on it and up arrow til check for add-on updates, which you probably
will need to do just once.
You can, of course, down arrow until you find this option, but particularly
I prefer this� other one I said.



_____

Cheers,
Marcio

_____

Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email <mailto:marcinhorj21@yahoo.com.br>
Add me on Skype <skype:marcinhorj666?add> Follow me on Twitter
<https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Ask me something on CuriousCat <https://curiouscat.me/firirinfonfon>

_____

Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)

_____

My WhatsApp <https://api.whatsapp.com/send?phone=5521981615268>

_____

Em 20/12/2018 20:25, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

So I have the add on updater installed on my pc. Where do I go to check for
add on updates? Thanks.


Re: I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates

molly the blind tech lover
 

Actually, this machine never got that windows update. One of the reasons I joined the insider program was because even though I received feature updates and security patches, my machine was forever stuck on build 17134.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 4:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates

Some less good disc clean up programs have been known to mess with those files, but I've not encountered it recently, unless it might have been part of that windows update issue where files went missing last month in which case there could be other messed up applications and files on the computer.
Might be worth checking that as well.
I have a friend who found Acronis trashed his hard drive when simply running his usual task for backing p to another drive.
That turned out to be missing or corrupted files due to a windows 10 update.

I do not know the details but he had to use the recover program from the makers of ccleaner to get some photos back and then reformat and reinstall everything again.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates


Hi,

I’m not sure of the original cause of this, but sounds like something happened when installing some add-ons that caused manifest to disappear from some reason.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Sounds like fun. Were you and the team able to trace the cause of this so
that it does not happen toother people some how?

On 20 Dec 2018, at 19:27, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

The problem was traced to incomplete add-on install – somehow, add-on
manifest is missing for some add-ons Molly installed. Fixing this will
require manually removing the affected add-ons via File Explorer and
reinstalling the affected packages.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



Hi. Add on updater is showing up in the manage add ons dialogue. Shall I
send the log to the email address that is listed with the add on updater?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



Hi,

No, don’t reinstall NvDA just yet, as I’d like to see what the log says.
Also, just to really make sure, is Add-on Updater showing up in add-ons
manager (NvDA Menu/Tools/Manage add-ons)?

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



Hi.

The add on updater is not one of the categories in the nvda settings. I
checked. I’ll try to send you the log. Just, wondering, if I perhaps
reinstalled nvda, could that possibly fix things? For whatever reason this
problem only occurs on one of my machines… the one I currently am so annoyed
at right now.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 9:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



Hi Molly and others,

Okay, let’s go over one thing at a time:

Add-on Updater problem: another way to find out if the add-on is working is:

1. Go to NvDA menu/Preferences/Settings.
2. See if Add-on Updater is one of the categories.

If Add-on Updater is one of the categories, then I’d like to know what’s up.
If not, I also would like to know what’s going on.

NVDA log: typically, when people talk about NVDA log, it refers to a text
file where NVDA records information as it runs. The fastest way to open this
“file” is pressing NVDA+F1.

Add-on issues and logs: whenever an issue with an add-on shows up, unless if
it’s an issue I know exactly what’s going on, I always ask people to restart
with add-ons disabled. Then once the problem is confirmed, I sometimes ask
people to restart with add-ons enabled and ask folks to send the log to
developers (me included). Typically, if an add-on that provides visible user
interface services (adding items to NVDA menu and its submenus) is installed
but that interface doesn’t show up (such as Add-on Updater in your case), I
always ask people to send the log to developers for analysis. As Add-on
Updater is my add-on, I’d like to request just that – please send the entire
log to me in private (press NVDA+F1, copy everything, and paste it as an
email to me privately).

About Windows Insider Program: testing new features is not really the top
reason for existence of Windows Insider Program; rather, the program is
meant to gather feedback from testers before features ship to the rest of
the world. This is the reason why Microsoft reminds people every week (or
almost every week) that Insider Preview builds are not stable, and features
can come and go without notice.

Molly, you’re not alone in stating that you became a Windows Insider because
you’re excited about trying out new goodies here and there; you’re not the
first, nor will be the last person to go through this phase (trust me, I
heard similar stories in the last four years – I became a Windows Insider
shortly after it was first announced in September 2014). But as beta
software (or rather, an operating system going through constant flux),
trying out new things has its drawbacks too, namely unstable releases from
time to time. Specifically, if you have signed up to receive at least one
build a week (fast and skip ahead rings, which I think is what you’ve done),
you’re bound to encounter issues frequently, hence you’re encouraged to
submit feedback as early as possible. If you want stability but still want
to remain a Windows Insider, I recommend either going with slow ring, or opt
into release preview ring (the former will give you builds known to be more
stable than fast ring; the latter will not upgrade you to the next big
update until it is nearly ready for the public). If you want strict
stability and can’t afford to lose productivity (in other words, feel
uncomfortable with living on the edge now), then perhaps Windows Insider
Program might not be right for you.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



Well I joined the insider program because I wanted to check out new windows
features before they are released. It was great at first. But then I
received one unstable build after another. I even had to do a system
restore because windows failed to load properly. I’m going to opt out of the
insider program right now. I can’t deal with all these problems and
honestly, I don’t have time to test beta software. What was I thinking?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



Why did you decide to be in the insider program? That is asking for bugs
and problems and is intended for those who want to test unreleased versions
of Windows for problems. It is something like beta testing but I'm not sure
if the code you are testing is even considered beta yet.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover <mailto:brainardmolly@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 6:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



Well I’m starting to really dislike this laptop lately. Life was a lot less
complicated when it worked properly.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



NVDA key+n, t for tools, then press a twice. You then press enter. That will
definitely do the trick.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Hey guys, Molly here again.

So I have the add on updater installed on my pc. Where do I go to check for
add on updates? Thanks.


Fw: [espeak-ng] The UK £ sign

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hi folks, is this an error in the latest version of NVDAs defaults? Can I change this and not muck other stuff up?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <llajta2012@gmail.com>
To: <espeak-ng@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [espeak-ng] The UK £ sign


Hi Brian,

this is an issues in NVDA.
The puound £ sign it is included in dictionaries for the emoji on espeak-ng.
NVDA 2018.4 doesn't uses emoji dictionaries from espeak-ng, these files are removed during compiling NVDA.
As you know, NVDA 2018.4 includes all emoji and symbos from Unicode Consortium, and the pound sign appears in the symbols list, but the pronunciation level for this symbol should be changed in NVDA.

Probabily the sign Cents and euro present the same issue.

In speechPlayerInEspeak the problem not exists, the pound sign is in the standard dictionary for english (EN_LIST).

Hope my explanation is clear.

Chris.

In reply to Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io, 19/12/2018 19:18:
I seem to be finding in Espeak NG as used in nvda it is only spoken when
its cursored past. IE not if a line or say all is used. Now iyt cannot
be a punctuation level issue as the old version of Espeak in Speech
player in Espeak when selected as tthe synth seems to be OK. Is it me or
what?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.



Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Or paste that shortcut into c:\windows\system32 and call it maybe nvdaaddonoff or something like that. Then just hit windows r and type in nvdaaddonoff

Take care

On 21 Dec 2018, at 2:57, Chris Mullins wrote:

Try copying the NVDA shortcut on your desktop, and call the new one NVDA-NA or something, then edit the command and add the “--disable-addons”  parameter.  Then set up a different shortcut key combination.  You can then restart without add-ons at anytime and all you have to remember is the alternative shortcut.      

 

Chris  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: 21 December 2018 03:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Sounds good, but I won’t remember that since I don’t run command line things. I suggest a menu item to be put into NVDA add-on updater to disable all add-ons. What say you list?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:51:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Hi,
Yes via the following command-line text as exactly as shown (from Run dialog):

nvda -r --disable-addons

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Hi is their another way? I don’t have NVDA set to give me the options to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Hi,

If you go to NVDA settings/General, there is a checkbox to show you exit options. By default, it is checked, but Lino unchecked this.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

I still don't get it. The restart with all add ons disabled will do what you need to do. What else were you meaning? Your question actually is not very clear. You close nvda, but you want all add ons disabled with alt f4? That does not make sense.

Take care

On 20 Dec 2018, at 20:25, Lino Morales wrote:

Sarah your not paying attention., I have that option turned off. I just want to close when I hit NVDA !=Q

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:22:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

  1. Hit nvda plus q
  1. Choose restart with all add ons disabled and click ok.

hope that helps a bit.

On 20 Dec 2018, at 19:54, Lino Morales wrote:

Sounds good, but I won’t remember that since I don’t run command line things. I suggest a menu item to be put into NVDA add-on updater to disable all add-ons. What say you list?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:51:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Hi,
Yes via the following command-line text as exactly as shown (from Run dialog):

nvda -r --disable-addons

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Hi is their another way? I don’t have NVDA set to give me the options to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don't mind using my production system. I fact I do that with all of my systems and frankly they have ben the most stable wit the exception of one I can think of. And that has ben over the course of maybe 10 years. I am using my phone which is a production phone on a beta now actually and it is as solid as a rock. Next time get into the slow ring. You will get close to rcs.

Take care

On 20 Dec 2018, at 21:21, Shaun Everiss wrote:

You only do that if you have a system to test it with.

I don't do betas at least not that level as I only have one production system.

Technically I will have another later on next year but its going to be a toss up between linux either ubuntu mate or jenux and or being an insider on this slower box.

I can't do both.

And I really want a linux machine.



On 12/21/2018 2:17 PM, Gene wrote:

Why did you decide to be in the insider program? That is asking for bugs and problems and is intended for those who want to test unreleased versions of Windows for problems. It is something like beta testing but I'm not sure if the code you are testing is even considered beta yet.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 6:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates


Well I'm starting to really dislike this laptop lately. Life was a lot less complicated when it worked properly.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates


NVDA key+n, t for tools, then press a twice. You then press enter. That will definitely do the trick.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates


Hey guys, Molly here again.

So I have the add on updater installed on my pc. Where do I go to check for add on updates? Thanks.






Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hi after failing in batch file stakes. I have to concede that the best way is to copy the nvda shortcut somewhere, say the root of C: and alter the start command to.


"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r --disable-addons

Then rename the shrotcut to something you will remember.
Now copy it back onto the desktop and go into properties again and give it a different letter, say o as the shrot cut key and ok and come out. Then doing a right alt/o should restart nvda with all add ons disabled.
Quite why it wont simply work in a batch file is possibly debatable....
Maybe you have to use the slave and all that complexity to get it to work. I have no idea.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?


Sounds good, but I won’t remember that since I don’t run command line things. I suggest a menu item to be put into NVDA add-on updater to disable all add-ons. What say you list?

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:51:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Hi,
Yes via the following command-line text as exactly as shown (from Run dialog):
nvda -r --disable-addons
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Hi is their another way? I don’t have NVDA set to give me the options to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I still don't get it. The restart with all add ons disabled will do what you need to do. What else were you meaning? Your question actually is not very clear. You close nvda, but you want all add ons disabled with alt f4? That does not make sense.

Take care

On 20 Dec 2018, at 20:25, Lino Morales wrote:

Sarah your not paying attention., I have that option turned off. I just want to close when I hit NVDA !=Q

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:22:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?
 
  1. Hit nvda plus q
  2. Choose restart with all add ons disabled and click ok.

hope that helps a bit.

On 20 Dec 2018, at 19:54, Lino Morales wrote:

Sounds good, but I won’t remember that since I don’t run command line things. I suggest a menu item to be put into NVDA add-on updater to disable all add-ons. What say you list?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:51:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?
 

Hi,
Yes via the following command-line text as exactly as shown (from Run dialog):

nvda -r --disable-addons

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Hi is their another way? I don’t have NVDA set to give me the options to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Browse mode and focus

Felix G.
 

Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2039
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:


Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are you talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse mode just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something like Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing this related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind person is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
Follow me on Twitter
Follow or add me on Facebook
Ask me something on CuriousCat
________________________________
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
________________________________
My WhatsApp
________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix










Re: Browse mode and focus

Felix G.
 

Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:


I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are you talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse mode just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something like Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing this related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind person is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
Follow me on Twitter
Follow or add me on Facebook
Ask me something on CuriousCat
________________________________
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
________________________________
My WhatsApp
________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix









Re: Browse mode and focus

Gene
 

I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed.  Are you talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse mode just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something like Notepad?  In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be triggered on the page as you move.  But you seem to be discussing this related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind person is on the page.  If so, why are you assuming they are related?  Isn't there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted instructors or others working with a blind person?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA review doesn't. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


> Hello Marcio,
> I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
> automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
> changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
> on the same page?
> Best,
> Felix
>
> Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
> <marcinhorj21@...>:
>>
>> Hello,
>> You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA
>> Menu (NVDA+N).
>> Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or
>> something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not
>> using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Cheers,
>> Marcio
>> ________________________________
>> Where to find me:
>> My Yahoo! email
>> Add me on Skype
>> Follow me on Twitter
>> Follow or add me on Facebook
>> Ask me something on CuriousCat
>> ________________________________
>> Phone(s):
>> (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
>> ________________________________
>> My WhatsApp
>> ________________________________
>> Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:
>>
>> Hello list,
>> I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
>> cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
>> instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
>> as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
>> whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
>> unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
>> cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
>> few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
>> changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
>> The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
>> reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
>> browser.
>> If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
>> in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
>> then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
>> but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
>> All the best,
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Browse mode and focus

Gene
 

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA review doesn't. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


> Hello Marcio,
> I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
> automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
> changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
> on the same page?
> Best,
> Felix
>
> Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
> <marcinhorj21@...>:
>>
>> Hello,
>> You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA
>> Menu (NVDA+N).
>> Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or
>> something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not
>> using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Cheers,
>> Marcio
>> ________________________________
>> Where to find me:
>> My Yahoo! email
>> Add me on Skype
>> Follow me on Twitter
>> Follow or add me on Facebook
>> Ask me something on CuriousCat
>> ________________________________
>> Phone(s):
>> (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
>> ________________________________
>> My WhatsApp
>> ________________________________
>> Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:
>>
>> Hello list,
>> I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
>> cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
>> instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
>> as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
>> whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
>> unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
>> cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
>> few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
>> changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
>> The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
>> reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
>> browser.
>> If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
>> in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
>> then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
>> but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
>> All the best,
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Browse mode and focus

Gene
 

I don't know what you are describing as focus changes.  Some web pages cause something to happen when the mouse is moved and, correspondingly, when you move in browse mode, but I haven't run across many pages where moving in browse mode causes changes in a web page.  If you are asking how to read a page while leaving the browse mode cursor where it is and using screen review, there may be ways to allow screen review to see the content of the page.  It has been so long since this has been discussed here that I don't remember details.  I'm not sure what you are trying to do but at times, since I'm using a slow computer often, much slower than it should be for efficient Internet use, I select an entire page, copy it to the clipboard and paste into Notepad for reading or looking for what I want.  If I don't intend to follow more links to get to the content I want, this works well.  I have much faster computers but for various reasons, I use this slow one most of the time.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21@...>:
>
> Hello,
> You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA Menu (NVDA+N).
> Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.
>
> ________________________________
> Cheers,
> Marcio
> ________________________________
> Where to find me:
> My Yahoo! email
> Add me on Skype
> Follow me on Twitter
> Follow or add me on Facebook
> Ask me something on CuriousCat
> ________________________________
> Phone(s):
> (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
> ________________________________
> My WhatsApp
> ________________________________
> Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:
>
> Hello list,
> I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
> cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
> instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
> as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
> whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
> unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
> cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
> few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
> changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
> The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
> reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
> browser.
> If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
> in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
> then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
> but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Browse mode and focus

Gene
 

You can't navigate with web sites properly and not be in browse mode in screen-readers that use browse mode, which is the Windows screen-reader standard now.  One thing that may help is to turn off the automatic switching between browse mode and forms mode.  I consider having this as the default, that is automatic switching, to be a very bad mistake.
 
Aside from turning off the automatic switching feature, which shouldn't affect the speed of moving through a document but will keep automatic switching from occurring when you don't want it to, you are assuming the problem is the browse cursor and only that.  There are sites where the browse cursor and coding on the page slows movement. 
But if you are asking how to browse with browse mode off, that isn't practical and no provision is made for it.  Also, I'm not sure what you mean by focus.  Browse mode allows you to work with a web page as though a cursor is there, but it really isn't.  I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of focus but the virtual cursor used in browse mode is where it is.  Asking for some sort of decoupling is like asking if you can move around in Wordpad and not have the application cursor move.  It isn't possible unless you aren't actually moving, but just using screen review. 
 
You may be able to reduce the problem by using more than one browser.  Some browsers are faster on some web pages when used with screen-readers than others. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix



Re: Browse mode and focus

Felix G.
 

Hi Brian and list,
sure, here is some more background regarding what I am observing:
As you are aware, both screen readers populate virtual buffers with
the contents of a web page, and whenever something on the page
dynamically changes, those buffers are updated to reflect the change.
So in theory, we can scroll quickly through the virtual copy without
the screen reader's having to constantly query the original by means
of some inter-process communication combined with code injection.
In practice, however, NVDA will send focus events as the user moves
the virtual cursor. So for example, when you arrow to a link, behind
the scenes NVDA will send a focus event for that link to the browser.
This has two advantages: First, the browser window will scroll such
that the link becomes visible if it hasn't been visible already. And
second, if the user chooses to switch to focus mode, they will find
that focus is exactly where they expect it to be, namely, where the
virtual cursor was.
The disadvantages of this approach are also twofold: First, when
scrolling quickly through the virtual buffer, a lot of these focus
events will be fired, resulting in a busy browser, often amounting to
a busy system. If the browser handles these events asynchronously,
NVDA will find it hard to associate them with the corresponding user
actions, with two possible results: a) NVDA will sometimes bounce back
in the virtual buffer as if drawn back by a rubber band; b) NVDA may
suddenly switch to focus mode as it falsely assumes a focus change
occurred on behalf of the website when in truth it occurred on behalf
of the user. Second, objects on web pages may see these focus events
as invitations to do something, such as play a video, or pop out a
text field for leaving a comment, as frequently witnessed on Facebook.
In this way users may find themselves interacting when all they wanted
was to read the page.
In summary, having focus follow the browse mode cursor makes it easier
for sighted and blind users to colaborate at the same screen, and also
makes the transition from browse mode to focus mode more graceful, at
the cost of some speed loss and unpredictability. Such an equilibrium
of pros and cons would seem to call for an option. I suggest the
following:
Have a check box called "System focus follows browse mode cursor" in
the browse mode preferences. This should be on by default. When it is
on, behavior is as implemented right now. When it is off, system focus
should not automatically follow the browse mode cursor, but when
switching to focus mode, focus should be given to the focusable object
closest to the browse mode cursor.
Let's discuss.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 12:06 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>:


Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
Follow me on Twitter
Follow or add me on Facebook
Ask me something on CuriousCat
________________________________
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
________________________________
My WhatsApp
________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix









Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Nope that did not work either, Joseph?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?


Yes the strange thing is that this works in the run box. It works if prefaced by the word start in a command line box, but fails in a batch file. IE it leaves them turned on. I do not quite get why this fails.
Most command line stuff works, so there has to be some reason why its not parsing the -- bit after the command.

I may try it in quotes when I have time in case its being truncated.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?


If what you're asking for is a way to have NVDA restarted without
add-ons enabled, then try this:

1. Windows+R
2. Type "nvda --disable-addons" (without the quotes)
3. Spell the command above character by character so you won't miss any
part of it.

Hth

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cheers,
Marcio

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email <mailto:marcinhorj21@yahoo.com.br>
Add me on Skype <skype:marcinhorj666?add>
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Ask me something on CuriousCat <https://curiouscat.me/firirinfonfon>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
My WhatsApp <https://api.whatsapp.com/send?phone=5521981615268>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Em 21/12/2018 01:46, Lino Morales escreveu:

Hi is their another way? I don�t have NVDA set to give me the options
to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the
sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10