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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sean
 

Hey hey, I'm a software developer too.
There is nothing wrong here.

On 06/08/2020 19:39, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:31 PM, Sean wrote:
Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3
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'Twas ever thus, and ever shall be.   When tectonic shifts occur, there are virtually always "teething pains," and those pains do get fixed, but some take longer to get there than others.

In the world of computing, you cannot hang on to old technology for very long and continue to have something that's really functional.  Particularly when major updates to a programming language are involved and really cannot be avoided.
 
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:31 PM, Sean wrote:
Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3
-
'Twas ever thus, and ever shall be.   When tectonic shifts occur, there are virtually always "teething pains," and those pains do get fixed, but some take longer to get there than others.

In the world of computing, you cannot hang on to old technology for very long and continue to have something that's really functional.  Particularly when major updates to a programming language are involved and really cannot be avoided.
 
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Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use it in windows, fsTramp, discord at times, some websites to read bits of info that don't want to read, a pilot's life, sim toolkit pro, etc. Prepared (prepar3d) all the time. I have to as that interface is 100 percent inaccessible with out it, VPilot at times, etc.

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On 6 Aug 2020, at 9:11, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

One context where I use object navigation is Windows 10 Settings (Windows+I) where you must use object navigation to read certain information.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

 

Hello All,

          This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head around.  My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc. where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it travels when you do.

           I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset.

           If you feel so inclined, please share.
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.

I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.

1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows 10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor has moved to after the letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.



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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sean
 

Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.

I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.

1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows 10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor has moved to after the letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.




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Re: Nvda and Thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I wonder if your status bar could be checked. If it is, uncheck it. As far as sending messages, there's a message asking if you're sure you want to send the message. Check the box that says "don't show me this dialog again".


Hope this helps.

On 8/6/2020 9:11 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hello everyone,
In Thunderbird, Nvda tells me: Moved a message from the Inbox, Copying a message to the Drafts folder, and tells me something about the account. He also wants to say something when sending the message.
Can it be turned off somewhere?
Regards


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hello Brian,

I think I will skip over describing how object nav is actually used, as I'm not the best at making that part make sense. However, as an example I find it very helpful specifically in the following two programs.

The Windows settings program. Let's say you go to update and security, and then Windows Update. From there, you could use NVDA+B to hear if there is any update available for your machine, but depending on your screenreader's speed that could take a while. Alternatively, you could use object nav to navigate that area instead. Coincidentally, I don't think you can actually get to the check for updates button with just the tab key anyway.

This also lets you see more useful info in an easier to understand format, while you don't have countless other things being thrown in your face as well.

Another app as I indicated, which it is useful in... as much as I hate to admit it, is the HP Support Assistant program. Object Nav has been a necessity for use in that program. Otherwise, you miss a lot of information.

Another area I thought of just now is if you're transfering files from one place to another via cut/copy and paste. You can use object nav to monitor the progress of the transfer rather than using NVDA+B incessantly.

Hope this helps.


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Also be certain that the device drivers for your sound device(s) are completely up to date.  I see more complaints coming across the general purpose Windows 10 technical support groups about pops, cracks, and other audio irregularities that I ever have with any prior version of Windows.   It can almost always be traced back to the drivers, whether that's because the ones installed are old and from the OEM (whether of your computer or sound card), or are newer but Microsoft issued generic ones where the latest OEM drivers are really needed.

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Nvda and Thunderbird

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello everyone,
In Thunderbird, Nvda tells me: Moved a message from the Inbox, Copying a message to the Drafts folder, and tells me something about the account. He also wants to say something when sending the message.
Can it be turned off somewhere?
Regards

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Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

 

Hi,

One context where I use object navigation is Windows 10 Settings (Windows+I) where you must use object navigation to read certain information.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

 

Hello All,

          This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head around.  My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc. where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it travels when you do.

           I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset.

           If you feel so inclined, please share.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

 

Hello All,

          This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head around.  My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc. where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it travels when you do.

           I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset.

           If you feel so inclined, please share.
--

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:34 AM, Gene wrote:
People would never put up with a human reader announcing all this clutter.
I'd say that's absolutely true, but they'd probably also expect a human reader to say something about the fact that there is a figure/image present and what it illustrates as a part of the reading, unless the person their reading for has explicitly requested they only read the main text.

I actually feel your pain, and have had exactly that same feeling many, many times with multiple screen readers.  I hope that someday there arrives AI sophisticated enough to screen read the way "your average sighted person" would likely take in looking at content.  Heaven knows we virtually never look at scads of the navigation links and the like at the outset, but the main page content first.

But at this point in time, since a screen reader itself has no idea, really, of what it is you (any you) are looking for on a given page it offers "way too much" rather than allowing you to possibly miss the presence of something.

It would be nice if all of these sorts of things were arranged in "chunks" of announcements that fit a certain class, and that you could have the option of turning off the entire class with one checkbox, or going through the individual things announced and unchecking the ones you explicitly don't want while retaining the others.  And do I ever know what a PITA that would be to code, and for the user to slog through, but in any really complex system where a high level of customization is wanted or needed, this is how its obtained.
 
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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Sarah k Alawami
 

Have you considered using object navigation instead of screen review? This is actually what I do and it works beautifully. Simply in laptop mode (I don't use desktop mode ever) do an nvda shift left and right to move between objects, and nvda down and up to interact and not interact with each object. You do not in my experience need to switch modes.

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On 6 Aug 2020, at 4:37, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hello Group,

Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and setting.  Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.'  Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly.  This means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.

Has anyone else seen this issue?  If so, is there some way of rectifying the situation?  If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Idea for an Addon

 

Hi

Acording to what I understand, you could try this add-on: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/placeMarkers.en.html

Cuong

On 8/6/2020 10:19 AM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:
Hi all,
So recently I was thinking like many people out their, whenever they
read some book/novel/any other thing, they tend to mark something
which they feel is important. Now I was wondering if such an addon for
NVDA could be developed through which it would jump from the first
bold text to the next. Is their already such an addon or can it be
developed?


Unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time

Gene
 

I really hate unnecessary verbiage that wastes my time and tells me nothing of any value.

I've recently been using the beta version of NVDA. I havedn't gotten the production version since I've been using it so little. But one thing that caught my attention is the announcement of figure and out of figure on web pages. What possible value is there to this? I don't care if something is a figure in structure, whatever that is, evidently some sort of visual formatting. Every time I hear these words, it wastes a little bit of time and distractingly clutters the text. and I see no way to turhn this off in the document formatting options. I turn off the other nonsense such as bloc quote announcement. I turn off almost everything. If new formatting information is added, there should be a way to turn it off.

And why are some of these announcements on by default? People would never put up with a human reader announcing all this clutter. How many users of NVDA ever learn enough to know that they can turn all these announcements off?

Gene


Re: Idea for an Addon

Daniel Damacena
 

I am not a developer. Actually, I am a basic user, so that I can't tell you whether it is possible. What I can recommend you to do is to use one of the mentioned softwares. Bookworm is super light, accessible and free. You can download it from here:
All the best!

Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 07:37, Vaibhav Bhandari <vaibhavbhandari2017@...> escreveu:

So would it be possible for NVDA to have this feature too?

On 8/6/20, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:
> Well, ebook readers like bookworm or qread have this feature.
>
> Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 00:19, Vaibhav Bhandari <
> vaibhavbhandari2017@...> escreveu:
>
>> Hi all,
>> So recently I was thinking like many people out their, whenever they
>> read some book/novel/any other thing, they tend to mark something
>> which they feel is important. Now I was wondering if such an addon for
>> NVDA could be developed through which it would jump from the first
>> bold text to the next. Is their already such an addon or can it be
>> developed?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Daniel Damacena
>
>
>
>


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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Daniel Damacena
 

Which antivirus  are you talking about?
I am using malwarebytes. It is not totally accessible. Whenever I need to activate an option I need to bring the mouse to it and click on it, but it is really effective!


Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 08:37, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> escreveu:

Hello Group,

Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually
run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen
review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and
setting.  Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.' 
Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading
through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system
items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly.  This
means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.

Has anyone else seen this issue?  If so, is there some way of rectifying
the situation?  If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't
it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?

Thanks for any help.



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In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

In-Process is out, this week featuring news on NVDA 2020.2, our Software Engineer position, plus other ways you can contribute to NVDA.


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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Gene
 

Try using object navigation. I don't know how familiar you are with it. I can give you a quick description if you wish.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 6:37 AM
To: NVDA Official Group
Subject: [nvda] Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Hello Group,

Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually
run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen
review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and
setting. Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.'
Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading
through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system
items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly. This
means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.

Has anyone else seen this issue? If so, is there some way of rectifying
the situation? If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't
it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?

Thanks for any help.



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
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Re: Speaking the word just typed.

Gerry
 

Thanks, nvda plus 3 works fine.


Gerry

On 06/08/2020 11:13, Jacob Kruger wrote:
This setting is under NVDA settings, speech, or else you can toggle it using NVDA key + number row 3 - that's with, I think, both desktop and laptop keyboard layouts.


Stay well


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On 2020-08-06 12:01 PM, Gerry wrote:
Hi

Apologies if this seems simple, but I am sure that nvda used to speak each word  as it was typed. For some reason my system has stopped doing this and I cannot find the setting to re-instate the feature.

I am using nvda version 2020.1 and the latest Windows 10.

Advice welcome.

best regards

Gerry