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Re: Kryterion, Imbedded objects ... what are they and how can I work with one?

 

Janet,

            You can use the "Reply to Sender" link at the bottom of this message to send a private reply to my email address.  And if, by some chance, that doesn't work, my email address is britechguy at the email provided by Google dot com.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Kryterion, Imbedded objects ... what are they and how can I work with one?

Janet Brandly
 

Hi again Brian,

 

The browser is called Sentinel and has been developed specifically by Kryterion. I don’t know all the technical details, but I did find a pretty comprehensive PDF which I can send as an attachment. I also have some sort of set-up file which I can also try to send. What email address should I use?

 

Thank you. When I get a job, NVDA will get a big donation!

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: February 12, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Kryterion, Imbedded objects ... what are they and how can I work with one?

 

Janet,

            OK, but now I (or any other potential assistant) need more specifics.  What program are we talking about (as in the lockdown browser), and where would it be obtained?  A testing environment that mirrors your own would need to be established to do the testing with NVDA, and this is a part of helping us get there.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Application key is not functioning properly

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

This may require a reboot. Failing that, you may also want to list some of the add-ons you have, if any, as one of them may be at conflict with the mentioned key.


Re: Kryterion, Imbedded objects ... what are they and how can I work with one?

 

Janet,

            OK, but now I (or any other potential assistant) need more specifics.  What program are we talking about (as in the lockdown browser), and where would it be obtained?  A testing environment that mirrors your own would need to be established to do the testing with NVDA, and this is a part of helping us get there.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Kryterion, Imbedded objects ... what are they and how can I work with one?

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Brian,

 

Thank you for getting back to me so fast! A “lock-down browser” is a browser which locks down everything else on the computer other than a specific program, in this case the Kryterion platform. It prevents the user from accessing other software such as email or a web browser. This test is a “closed book” test, so accessing outside sources is not permitted. I am using a laptop computer with a regular keyboard.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: February 12, 2021 11:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Kryterion, Imbedded objects ... what are they and how can I work with one?

 

Janet,

           What, if I may ask, is a "lockdown browser"?

            Your question is definitely NVDA related, and I commend you for the amount of detail you've offered.  I've never heard of a "lockdown browser" so have no idea what it would entail as far as installing it.

             You're definitely right that this is something that cannot really be handled as an abstract discussion.  By the way, are you using a laptop or a desktop computer?
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Kryterion, Imbedded objects ... what are they and how can I work with one?

 

Janet,

           What, if I may ask, is a "lockdown browser"?

            Your question is definitely NVDA related, and I commend you for the amount of detail you've offered.  I've never heard of a "lockdown browser" so have no idea what it would entail as far as installing it.

             You're definitely right that this is something that cannot really be handled as an abstract discussion.  By the way, are you using a laptop or a desktop computer?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Kryterion, Imbedded objects ... what are they and how can I work with one?

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

AS some of you may know, I am trying to use Kryterion’s testing platform with NVDA. I will provide more details later; but for now, I am having an issue which I hope someone can help me with.

 

Part of the test involves transcribing from oral dictation, and part involves comparing and editing generated text from a dictation. One has to use a player to control the dictation … play, pause, etc. This player is apparently contained in what, when I navigate to it with the arrow keys, is described as an imbedded object. Kryterion’s documentation states that this player is only able to be operated with the mouse. Would someone out there be able to explain what this is and how I might work with these controls? I know NVDA does provide some mouse access from the keyboard and numpad, but I have not had to do this before and, I don’t know whether this would even work in this case. If someone is willing to contact me privately, I could provide my login details so you could have a look at it. If someone decides to do this, you would need to first install a “lock-down browser”. I had to get sighted assistance with this. I’m not a “power user” so it might be possible to install this without sighted assistance, I don’t know.

 

Thank you for reading and for any input you can provide.

 

Janet


Re: Finding the distance from the edge

Ann Byrne
 

Yes! that's what I was hoping for.

Thanks,

At 12:30 PM 2/12/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

NVDA+F might be able to tell you indentation level (including tabs).

By the way, the general command to obtain where the control is located in relation to the screen is nvDA+Numpad Delete (desktop layout; laptop: NvDA+Delete).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding the distance from the edge



By the way, this is the perfect example of a topic that quickly transformed to having nothing to do with NVDA. The initial question did, but based on my research it would be answered with a simple, "No." If I'm wrong, then someone jump in and give the NVDA command to produce this information, as it would be great if it exists, whether natively or as part of an add-on.

But if not, It belongs either on the Chat Subgroup or another group, such as the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, as it is a deep-dive into the features of word. Not a single thing I've posted even fits being on-topic for this group.

I give a lot of latitude for single responses that likely solve an issue, as coming down about this kind of thing if an answer is available in a single reply wastes valuable space and time. But if we are going to continue any further discussion of this that's about Word, not NVDA, it really should not be happening in the NVDA main group, as it has nothing whatsoever to do with NVDA, but with Word. It's entirely screen reader agnostic.

I'm not exempt from the group rules, nor should I be. And when any member recognizes that what they're actually talking about isn't NVDA, even if it started out being about NVDA, and there's still a lot to say, then find the correct venue to discuss it. I'll see you either in the Chat Subgroup or Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group if you do want to discuss Word further.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel




Re: Finding the distance from the edge

 

Hi,

NVDA+F might be able to tell you indentation level (including tabs).

By the way, the general command to obtain where the control is located in relation to the screen is nvDA+Numpad Delete (desktop layout; laptop: NvDA+Delete).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finding the distance from the edge

 

By the way, this is the perfect example of a topic that quickly transformed to having nothing to do with NVDA.   The initial question did, but based on my research it would be answered with a simple,  "No." If I'm wrong, then someone jump in and give the NVDA command to produce this information, as it would be great if it exists, whether natively or as part of an add-on.

But if not, It belongs either on the Chat Subgroup or another group, such as the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, as it is a deep-dive into the features of word.  Not a single thing I've posted even fits being on-topic for this group.

I give a lot of latitude for single responses that likely solve an issue, as coming down about this kind of thing if an answer is available in a single reply wastes valuable space and time.  But if we are going to continue any further discussion of this that's about Word, not NVDA, it really should not be happening in the NVDA main group, as it has nothing whatsoever to do with NVDA, but with Word.  It's entirely screen reader agnostic.

I'm not exempt from the group rules, nor should I be.  And when any member recognizes that what they're actually talking about isn't NVDA, even if it started out being about NVDA, and there's still a lot to say, then find the correct venue to discuss it.  I'll see you either in the Chat Subgroup or Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group if you do want to discuss Word further.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Finding the distance from the edge

 

By the way, this is the perfect example of a topic that quickly transformed to having nothing to do with NVDA.   The initial question did, but based on my research it would be answered with a simple,  "No." If I'm wrong, then someone jump in and give the NVDA command to produce this information, as it would be great if it exists, whether natively or as part of an add-on.

But if not, It belongs either on the Chat Subgroup or another group, such as the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, as it is a deep-dive into the features of word.  Not a single thing I've posted even fits being on-topic for this group.

I give a lot of latitude for single responses that likely solve an issue, as coming down about this kind of thing if an answer is available in a single reply wastes valuable space and time.  But if we are going to continue any further discussion of this that's about Word, not NVDA, it really should not be happening in the NVDA main group, as it has nothing whatsoever to do with NVDA, but with Word.  It's entirely screen reader agnostic.

I'm not exempt from the group rules, nor should I be.  And when any member recognizes that what they're actually talking about isn't NVDA, even if it started out being about NVDA, and there's still a lot to say, then find the correct venue to discuss it.  I'll see you either in the Chat Subgroup or Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group if you do want to discuss Word further.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Finding the distance from the edge

 

Ann,

           Are you comfortable with Macros?  That's the only way I have found to get exact horizontal insertion point information.  See both:
https://wordribbon.tips.net/T013095_Determining_the_Horizontal_Position_of_the_Insertion_Point 
https://wordribbon.tips.net/WordTipsMacros.html 

Vertical position is a bit easier:  https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_word-mso_other-mso_2010/showing-text-position-in-inches-somewhere-on/6a9abc8e-8126-4ed8-a57b-27831a574158 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Finding the distance from the edge

Ann Byrne
 

I am tinkering with tab stops. I want to know if the text I wrote before tabbing went past the first stop. JAWS tells me that when I am at the beginning of the line, I am one inch from the edge of my document, which has a one-inch margin. If I write something, I want to be able to know whether when I press tab I am at .5 inches, from margin, at 1.5 inches, etc.

At 09:52 AM 2/12/2021, you wrote:
Ann,      Are you trying to determine what your margin is set at? ALT+P,M will bring up the Margins control in the Layout ribbon. The default is 1"/2.5cm on all margins unless another margin style was chosen. If the document is known to have custom margins, just add an A after the above command and you'll open the dialog that lets you adjust each, separately, which will tell you where you are on your page when you're at the leftmost edge that you can begin typing at.--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Â

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

      ~ Brian Vogel

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Re: Application key is not functioning properly

 

Hmmm interesting you should mention this jean.

I have the unenviable issue of my keyboard hitting keys its not supposed to.

Sometimes double enter, double delete, or something is hit, double letters usually the first or last letter hit.

I have doodled with windows keyboard repeat rate which has helped a lot, and the blink rate but really who knows.

Its not happening with anyone else but on nvda on my amd and maybe other systems it will just do that.

Could be my mechanical is dirty, I havn't cleared it for ages and keep putting it off.

But it happens with other boards to.

99% of the time I catch it, double enters, double folders opening.

The latest windows update had a few things being messed up, bits of some stuff being clobbered on various drives, even without me typing, opening during a notification and a lot of folders and actions randomly executing, etc.

I was able to doodle with settings for keyboard, and refresh my firmware and it appears to be back to how it was before.

Who knows why things are screwing up.

I just pulled a language update to my language pack and things havn't screwed up much at least not as much as before.

So who knows.

At least its not a september 2019, that really sucked.

As long as the system continues to continue like it is now then I can continue to use it, really don't have time for a full reload to fix a stupid input device issue and that won't be for at least the next 2 months so lets hope it solves itself.

It seems ok in any case.

On 13/02/2021 4:49 am, Gene wrote:
I've had it happen where, when I'm running NVDA, the context menu key doesn't work and with JAWS, it does.  I have no idea what the problem is but rebooting always solves the problem.  Closing and rerunning NVDA doesn't solve it, rebooting does.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Application key is not functioning properly

It would really help to know exactly what version of Windows and NVDA you are running as well.

The application/context menu key is not driven by NVDA, or other screen readers, but by Windows itself.  It's an even bigger mystery why it would work when NVDA is not running then stop working when it is.

Have you done a restart on your computer?  If not, definitely do one and see what happens afterward.


Re: Application key is not functioning properly

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
I have no idea what the problem is but rebooting always solves the problem.
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Hence the reason this is, "Step One," in virtually any set of troubleshooting lists.

Heaven only knows what confluence of events leads to these really, really weird behaviors.  The use of power cycling/restarting/rebooting has been the standard first thing to try since I've been in the computer business.  And, as you've noted, it very commonly works.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Finding the distance from the edge

 

Ann,

            Are you trying to determine what your margin is set at?  ALT+P,M will bring up the Margins control in the Layout ribbon.  The default is 1"/2.5cm on all margins unless another margin style was chosen.  If the document is known to have custom margins, just add an A after the above command and you'll open the dialog that lets you adjust each, separately, which will tell you where you are on your page when you're at the leftmost edge that you can begin typing at.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Application key is not functioning properly

Gene
 

I've had it happen where, when I'm running NVDA, the context menu key doesn't work and with JAWS, it does. I have no idea what the problem is but rebooting always solves the problem. Closing and rerunning NVDA doesn't solve it, rebooting does.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Application key is not functioning properly

It would really help to know exactly what version of Windows and NVDA you are running as well.

The application/context menu key is not driven by NVDA, or other screen readers, but by Windows itself. It's an even bigger mystery why it would work when NVDA is not running then stop working when it is.

Have you done a restart on your computer? If not, definitely do one and see what happens afterward.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: Application key is not functioning properly

Gene
 

Try rebooting and see if the problem disappears. If closing and rerunning NVDA doesn't solve such odd problems, try rebooting. Indeed, rebooting often solves odd problems.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: silver star siddarth mahajan
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 3:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Application key is not functioning properly



Hello members, this is Siddharth here. Basically, I am not much user of nvda, so I will be not using always. Today I'd just turned on to do some works using nvda, hence I was running an older version, it asked me to update to the latest one. After downloading and installing latest version, my application key is not functioning that how previously it was. If I hit application key on any folder or file, it's not bringing up any options, if I navigate through arrow keys, it simply stays silent. Unfortunately, the same problem is not happening with jaws or narrator at all. So I think there is something to deal with nvda itself.
Tried doing all the basic operations such un installing, resetting, But it didn't fix the issue. Hoping to hear from you all, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.


Re: Application key is not functioning properly

 

It would really help to know exactly what version of Windows and NVDA you are running as well.

The application/context menu key is not driven by NVDA, or other screen readers, but by Windows itself.  It's an even bigger mystery why it would work when NVDA is not running then stop working when it is.

Have you done a restart on your computer?  If not, definitely do one and see what happens afterward.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Application key is not functioning properly

silver star siddarth mahajan
 

Hello members, this is Siddharth here. Basically, I am not much user of nvda, so I will be not using always. Today I'd  just turned on to do some works using nvda, hence I was running an older version, it asked me to update to the latest one. After downloading and installing latest version, my application key is not functioning that how previously it was. If I hit application key on any folder or file, it's not bringing up any options, if I navigate through arrow keys, it simply stays silent. Unfortunately, the same problem is not happening with jaws or narrator at all. So I think there is something to deal with nvda itself.
Tried doing all the basic operations such un  installing, resetting, But it didn't fix the issue. Hoping to hear  from you all, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.


Finding the distance from the edge

Ann Byrne
 

When I tab, NVDA tells me the distance in centimeters from the left edge of the document. Is there a way without tabbing to retrieve this information?

Thx,

Ann

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