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Re: problems with nvda2018.3rc1

P. Otter
 

and can you tell me, how can I create an emoticon while emoticons add-on is disabled?
i think it is very good possible that you're right!
please help.
thanks in advance!
paul otter
 

Op 12-9-2018 om 18:26 schreef Chris via Groups.Io:

Try disabling or removing the emoticon add-on see if that helps any, as nvda now supports emoticons itself

 

 

From: P. Otter
Sent: 12 September 2018 16:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1

 

best forum members,

I have downloaded the nvda 2018.3 rc1 and put it into use.

but I am not entirely positive, there is still something here and there.

Like, I have already experienced a number of times, that I used the

emoticon add-on, often it goes well but suddenly without any apparent

reason it gets stuck.

With alt tab I can then go back to the text where I wanted to place an

emoji.

but it is not going well. Only after I have restarted nvda again can I

place an emoticon again.

are there more people who have the same problem?

with nvda 2018.2 I did not have these problems.

do I have to update the emoticon add-on?

is it available?

with a curious greeting

paul otter

 

 

 
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Here's the thing.

Not all domain owners support www as a subdomain of their site.  Admittedly, most do, but there are several (just in the last year), that I've discovered that don't, and even newer sites that haven't configured their sites properly yet won't support it, just because they don't know they're supposed to.  As a result, dropping anything at all from the displayed url could easily lead to confusion.  None of my banking sites use www in their domains, they use things like cards.xxx.com, or customer.xxx.com, so even if the domain does support the www subdomain, there's no guarantee leaving it out or putting it in is going to lead you to the same place on their site.  Subdomains can point anywhere, including to completely different sites on the web, so hiding anything relating to the domain is just asking for trouble, and anyone who comes up with such a scheme is not doing anybody any favors.


On 9/12/2018 10:49 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Tempest in a teacup.   The end user is responsible for entering the web address that they want, and that's what gets loaded.

Every modern web browser has allowed the end user to omit the www for some years now and inserts that in most cases when necessary.

If you, for any you, aren't taking a quick look around a page after it loads, and saying "hmmmmm?," if you're not encountering what you're used to, the display of the address is the last issue to worry about.  Just go back to the address bar and enter the corrected address.

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           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



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Re: problems with nvda2018.3rc1

Chris
 

Try disabling or removing the emoticon add-on see if that helps any, as nvda now supports emoticons itself

 

 

From: P. Otter
Sent: 12 September 2018 16:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1

 

best forum members,

I have downloaded the nvda 2018.3 rc1 and put it into use.

but I am not entirely positive, there is still something here and there.

Like, I have already experienced a number of times, that I used the

emoticon add-on, often it goes well but suddenly without any apparent

reason it gets stuck.

With alt tab I can then go back to the text where I wanted to place an

emoji.

but it is not going well. Only after I have restarted nvda again can I

place an emoticon again.

are there more people who have the same problem?

with nvda 2018.2 I did not have these problems.

do I have to update the emoticon add-on?

is it available?

with a curious greeting

paul otter

 

 

 
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Brian Vogel
 

Over the years, there has been much hand-wringing from security experts over features that eventually become de facto standards.

The risk posed by this feature is, in my opinion, minimal.  Others, of course, will differ.

One side or another is going to have to "suck it up and deal" when the dust settles on this one.  It's still a very open question as to which side, and it's appropriate that people make their feelings known.  I've made mine known.  Feel free to disagree with them, and vigorously.  That won't make me change them in this instance.
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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

The article I linked to specifically cites instances where, if the beginning is omitted, the site address will look exactly the same.  Security experts have been complaining about this.  I don't consider this to be meaningless.  the user should be able to see the full address.  and as far as not seeing what you are used to, scammers are becoming increasingly adept at making sites look like the real site.  and what if you haven't been to this site before or very seldom? 
 
This has nothing to do with the user being able to leave off the prefix information when typing an address.  It has to do with the user being able to see the address when on a site.  The two are completely unrelated.
 
Maybe you will take a more detailed article on Bleeping Computer more seriously:
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Tempest in a teacup.   The end user is responsible for entering the web address that they want, and that's what gets loaded.

Every modern web browser has allowed the end user to omit the www for some years now and inserts that in most cases when necessary.

If you, for any you, aren't taking a quick look around a page after it loads, and saying "hmmmmm?," if you're not encountering what you're used to, the display of the address is the last issue to worry about.  Just go back to the address bar and enter the corrected address.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 
problems with nvda2018.3rc1

P. Otter
 

best forum members,
I have downloaded the nvda 2018.3 rc1 and put it into use.
but I am not entirely positive, there is still something here and there.
Like, I have already experienced a number of times, that I used the emoticon add-on, often it goes well but suddenly without any apparent reason it gets stuck.
With alt tab I can then go back to the text where I wanted to place an emoji.
but it is not going well. Only after I have restarted nvda again can I place an emoticon again.
are there more people who have the same problem?
with nvda 2018.2 I did not have these problems.
do I have to update the emoticon add-on?
is it available?
with a curious greeting
paul otter
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Ervin, Glenn
 

Very few of these fool me, but if I am unsure of one, I copy the link and paste it into notepad and inspect it.
Those fishing links will have a URL totally not related to the name of what they say they are for.
But I think mouse-happy people often click on things without thinking of the message, and how this company would have their eMail.
Glenn
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

I would suggest that more people click on links to arrive at a web page than type in the address themselves.

This is how phishing attacks work - you receive a plausible-looking email claiming to be from Amazon, eBay, your bank, an airline, etc. telling you there's a problem with your account (or perhaps making you a special offer), and giving you a link to click on. The site you land on looks almost identical to the real one.

Such sites then typically invite you to log in, maybe buy something, then present an error message, redirect you to the real site, and take your credentials (and possibly credit card details too, if they got you to go that
far) and do whatever they want with them.

So, in my opinion, anything which disguises the real web address from users is a very bad thing. It conceals potentially important information, and it treats people as though they don't understand the web, which encourages people not to understand the web and be vulnerable as a result.


Antony.

On Wednesday 12 September 2018 at 16:49:26, Brian Vogel wrote:

Tempest in a teacup. The end user is responsible for entering the web
address that they want, and that's what gets loaded.

Every modern web browser has allowed the end user to omit the www for
some years now and inserts that in most cases when necessary.

If you, for any you, aren't taking a quick look around a page after it
loads, and saying "hmmmmm?," if you're not encountering what you're
used to, the display of the address is the last issue to worry about.
Just go back to the address bar and enter the corrected address.

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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Antony Stone
 

I would suggest that more people click on links to arrive at a web page than
type in the address themselves.

This is how phishing attacks work - you receive a plausible-looking email
claiming to be from Amazon, eBay, your bank, an airline, etc. telling you
there's a problem with your account (or perhaps making you a special offer),
and giving you a link to click on. The site you land on looks almost
identical to the real one.

Such sites then typically invite you to log in, maybe buy something, then
present an error message, redirect you to the real site, and take your
credentials (and possibly credit card details too, if they got you to go that
far) and do whatever they want with them.

So, in my opinion, anything which disguises the real web address from users is
a very bad thing. It conceals potentially important information, and it
treats people as though they don't understand the web, which encourages people
not to understand the web and be vulnerable as a result.


Antony.

On Wednesday 12 September 2018 at 16:49:26, Brian Vogel wrote:

Tempest in a teacup. The end user is responsible for entering the web
address that they want, and that's what gets loaded.

Every modern web browser has allowed the end user to omit the www for some
years now and inserts that in most cases when necessary.

If you, for any you, aren't taking a quick look around a page after it
loads, and saying "hmmmmm?," if you're not encountering what you're used
to, the display of the address is the last issue to worry about. Just go
back to the address bar and enter the corrected address.

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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Brian Vogel
 

Tempest in a teacup.   The end user is responsible for entering the web address that they want, and that's what gets loaded.

Every modern web browser has allowed the end user to omit the www for some years now and inserts that in most cases when necessary.

If you, for any you, aren't taking a quick look around a page after it loads, and saying "hmmmmm?," if you're not encountering what you're used to, the display of the address is the last issue to worry about.  Just go back to the address bar and enter the corrected address.

--

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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Ervin, Glenn
 

I have done MSSE full scans and MRT scans and they find nothing.

I have never been comfortable with the third-party anti-virus programs, in fact, the state of Nebraska only uses security essentials on its computers.

 

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

No i9ssues here, I use MSE and tha'ts it. I would just do a scann and see if somethign is up. Chrome rocks.

On 9/11/2018 8:21 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, its a bad choice of default really for a setting that should be available in the main settings at first install.
I wonder what they were thinking?
I know that many sighted people are very cavalier about clicking and thinking later on.
The Recent Hack of British Airways was carried out by a spoof web site and some rogue javascript implanted on an insecure landing page on the BA site.
Nobody spotted it was not the connect url, and since the spoof site merely passed the data onto the real site, it took a while for it to be seen.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 4:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct


Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&;utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b

Gene
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

This has nothing to do with sharing data or any agreements with any other companies.  This is a matter of pandering to convenience to the point that a core security matter, the ability to see a complete address, was sacrificed to make things look better and save a tiny bit of room on the screen. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Oh well! They know alright! I assume they knew when they signed a secret
agreement with Mastercard... Or were they sleeping or drunk when they
signed it?


None of those corporations is clean from the point of view of user data
protection.


I think it's a matter of give and take. They give you stuff "free of
charge", but not free. You pay for their services with your data.


In Italy we say that not even dogs wag for nothing... (smile)


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 11/09/2018 20:37, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
> Well google need to be made aware, its not that bad if you know where
> you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many
> devices, they better know what they are doing.
>
>
>
> On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
>> Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this
>> article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are
>> implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down
>> the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security
>> experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed
>> to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
>>
>> See this article:
>> https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Mallard
 

Oh well! They know alright! I assume they knew when they signed a secret agreement with Mastercard... Or were they sleeping or drunk when they signed it?


None of those corporations is clean from the point of view of user data protection.


I think it's a matter of give and take. They give you stuff "free of charge", but not free. You pay for their services with your data.


In Italy we say that not even dogs wag for nothing... (smile)


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 11/09/2018 20:37, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
Well google need to be made aware, its not that bad if you know where you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many devices, they better know what they are doing.



On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&;utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b

Gene
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

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I am currently using superantispyware, but its quite funny on access. The installer needs screen navigation to get to the I agree button and unless you launch it from the tray, it 'forgets' to tell nvda where to put the focus, and in the latest incarnation the x you need to tick to remove unwanted software seems to have become totally invisible to nvda so you either delete all or nothing, though the cookie part seems to work.
I do wish they would test things before they put them out. Its almost right but they do not seem very helpful to free users...However who is going to pay if they are not confident about blind access?
Brian

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From: "Kwork" <istherelife@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct


I used it once, and got a false positive on something, so never used it
again. Pretty much stuck with Malwarebytes after that.

On 9/11/2018 9:16 AM, Gene wrote:
Running Malware Bytes might find something. Or, you might run an
antiadware utility. If you want to try it first, it would be a lot
faster. Its name is AdwCleaner. Others may have more information
about it. I believe it found a false positive when I tried it perhaps
a year ago so look carefully at the list of results.
Gene
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*From:* Ervin, Glenn <mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:56 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to
correct

I only run Microsoft’s MRT and Security Essentials.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to
correct

Adware. What antimalware programs do you run?

Gene

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*From:*Ervin, Glenn <mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>

*Sent:*Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:21 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to
correct

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close
several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each
instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything
related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this
article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are
implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the
product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts
and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do
harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:

https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&;utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b
<wlmailhtml:%7bC045F55E-C6A4-4D66-B25C-CC4F14F1006E%7dmid://00003403/!x-usc:https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&;utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b>

Gene
COLUMN AND ROW HEADINGS

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi List

 

This is just a bit of information for those who don’t know.

 

When one reads information on Wikipedia, NVDA repeats the row and column headers by default.  This can be annoying when trying to read tables of information in browse mode, therefore, use the following steps to switch off row and column headings in NVDA:

 

  • Press NVDA+Ctrl+D to go to the “Document and Formatting” dialog. (NVDA key = Insert, numpad 0 or Capslock depending on the setting)
  • Press Alt+E twice to go to “row and Column headings”.
  • Press the Spacebar to check or uncheck the checkbox.
  • Enter to apply this setting.

 

Kind regards

 

 

Heaven Botma

Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder

20 Adderley Street, Worcester

T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835

www.innovationfortheblind.org

 
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

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I guess one has to realise, just as in Android phones, the customer is the main way they earn money, ie advertising to them and gathering data about them.
It is like many things the old, no such thing as a free lunch issue. A trade off between how much privacy and ability to stop ads you get against how much it costs.
Brian

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From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct


With regards to Chrome,
Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?
After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.
Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.
But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.
Thanks.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&;utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b<wlmailhtml:%7bC045F55E-C6A4-4D66-B25C-CC4F14F1006E%7dmid://00003403/!x-usc:https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&;utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b>

Gene
Re: NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.

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I saw this mentioned on the Espeak list. I'd imagine other languages might be the same as well. I did not fully understand the problem as you say because I do not speak the language.


I think you need to raise a ticket on nvdas gather site for this as I doubt anyone will see it here.
In the meantime, speech player in Espeak is still downloadable as an add on and is an older version of Espeak but I cannot comment on how it affects Russian obviously, but the same variants are there.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.


hello, i am from russia and i using espeak. in changelog i noticed that the synthesizer was updated. unfortunately because of the update, some words and prepositions were pronounced very strange. I can not explain it to people who do not know Russian, but it sounds unpleasant.
is it possible to not update the synthesizer in the release, or to find the source of the problem?
Sincerely, Alexander.
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

MSSE is an adequate program but no knowledgeable computer aedvisor says it is nearly as good at finding spyware as Malware Bytes.  If MSSE was running, as it presumably was, during the time of infection, while it might now be aware of what it wasn't before because of updated definitions, I wouldn't be confident of that.  I doubt this infection is new malware. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

No i9ssues here, I use MSE and tha'ts it. I would just do a scann and see if somethign is up. Chrome rocks.

On 9/11/2018 8:21 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene
Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Sarah k Alawami
 

No i9ssues here, I use MSE and tha'ts it. I would just do a scann and see if somethign is up. Chrome rocks.

On 9/11/2018 8:21 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene
Re: Skype and navigation, I see no headings and so on.

John Isige
 

Thanks, that helps a lot! I still don't know how to close the chat though. So I still have all the messages and the edit field and such up from when I sent a message to somebody. Can't you make that go away? Escape doesn't seem to do it and there's no close button that I can see. Also, how do you answer a call? The only method you give is setting answering to automatic, which I don't want to do.

On 9/11/2018 16:08, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


headings are not in every part of skype only in certain sections.


to jump around the screen you will need to be in browse mode so you can
use nvda quick navigation keys.


If you are interested there is a written tutorial or a audio one that
covers the basics of skype 8 on my nvda tutorials for other programs
page. It is for the desk top version it should give you a idea of what
to expect.


The alt + 1 key and alt + 2 keys i use a lot. I mostly audio chat.


But will give you a idea of the layout.


Gene nz



On 12/09/2018 8:52 AM, John Isige wrote:
So I just installed Skype 8 because I figure I can always go back to
the app version if I don't like it. It must have had my credentials
stored from the app version because it signed me in right away after
it got done with setup. Here's the screen I see, tabbing through it.


Chats", which is tab one of four, it informs me I have no unread
notifications.


Sort by time, which is a menu. New chat, which is also a menu. Then I
get a list of chats, and if I arrow through them, it reads like this:
"person 1, button, some of the message to person 1 and if it's long
enough, if I arrow to the next line, more of the message to person 1
as a button and so on, person2 and message as a button, Etc."


Continuing with tab, a start tutorial button, A check account link,
"my info, active" which is a button, my skype username also as a
button, a "more options" menu, "search skype" which is a button, and
"use dialpad", which is also a button.


Did I do something wrong? Where are all of these headings and edit
fields and such? I looked in settings but I didn't really see anything
about appearance or accessibility or what have you. I thought maybe it
was in the list of chats, but no web commands work there either. Focus
mode makes no difference. It just doesn't seem to be a web-like
interface at all. It's certainly different from the app version, but
nothing like what I expected from people's descriptions. This is an
install of "Skype-8.30.0.50.exe", right from www.skype.com. I can
arrow around in the list of chat messages and select with the normal
Windows commands, that's nice. The window is just titled Skype but
when I alt-tab to it, it says "Skype preview document", which seems to
imply that NVDA thinks it's not your ordinary window.


I assume if I hit enter and/or space on anything labelled "button" in
the chat list it will open that specific conversation so I can see
more than just the most recent message. Yep, and in there, I get
headings for days. But I can't figure out how to close the chat,
escape didn't work, nor did ctrl-F4, and alt-F4 just closed the Skype
window, but it should still be running in the background, because I
told it to in settings. Yep, it says it's in the system tray anyway.
The duplicated messages are kind of weird, if I arrow up through the
chat it has a message, then a profile button, then the message again.


Anybody got any tips? I can navigate it but the web stuff doesn't seem
to be working, except in a specific conversation, and like I said, I
can't figure out how to close the conversation I opened. I'm sure I'll
do more dumb stuff with it later.
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