And RC3 resolves issues with iTunes as well:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-3rc3-released/

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 7:03 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,
This one resolves NVDA shortcut key problem for German users.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:48 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] RC2?

I see there is now an RC 2. what has been changed?
Brian

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Well, there's always ABC, about which you can find out more here:
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/doc/ABCtut.html

On 9/13/18, Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> wrote:

Hi,

Dancing Dots has afaIk. OCR for scores, too:
http://www.dancingdots.com/main/index.htm
I suppose the software to scan scores also is able to scan PDF.

Yours sincerely

Arno

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 15:33 schrieb Giles Turnbull
<giles.turnbull@gmail.com>:

I have a sort-of similar question. I used to play piano in my sighted
days but mever memorised any of the music, prefering to read the
score as I played. Now I can't read a score I can't remember much of
those pieces.

I have PDF scores of a lot of piano music and wonder if there is any
way that something like Muse Score could open a PDF and I could
somehow figure out what notes are where? I'm thinking of chords with
three or more notes across both hands, my ear being unable to figure
them out by listening to a recording.

I'd love a means of converting a PDF or a midi file into a text from
which I can determine the notes ... the durations are less important
for me since I can remember how the pieces sound.

It's funny, I just asked a sighted friend for help with three notes
in Chopin's first ballade which I was struggling to remember just
this morning!

Thanks for any ideas (and no, I never learned to read Braille music)

Giles

Hi all,
Good news: iTunes bug should be no more with NVDA 2018.3 RC3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:24 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] itunes latest issue

Hi,
For anyone experiencing this, take a look at the following GitHub issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8744

In answer to someone's query regarding the fix mentioned making its way t 2018.3: highly unlikely. If history is any indication, working through UIA controls will require extensive testing.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

<grin>

Have any of the devs looked at the itunes 12.9 window and see exactly what it is, the universal app and the desktop versions appear to be the same, menus and the like work, the main window is not visible to nvda.

And since it works with just about everything, I am now wandering if its a simple thing.

I can't fix it, but maybe there could be an addon for itunes universal and that would work with both versions.

This knee jerk about apple being totally crap well it is a knee jerk reaction, but to be honest if its just an communication/ interaction issue maybe this will help with access to other windows.



On 9/14/2018 1:59 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

NO that does not suck thats wok for the devs.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Joseph Weakland
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

that sucks:(


On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible
with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully, nvda
just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an nvda
issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was thinking I
would be going to eventually buy an i device.

.

Hi,

Dancing Dots has afaIk. OCR for scores, too:
http://www.dancingdots.com/main/index.htm
I suppose the software to scan scores also is able to scan PDF.

Yours sincerely

Arno

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 15:33 schrieb Giles Turnbull
<giles.turnbull@gmail.com>:

I have a sort-of similar question. I used to play piano in my sighted
days but mever memorised any of the music, prefering to read the
score as I played. Now I can't read a score I can't remember much of
those pieces.

I have PDF scores of a lot of piano music and wonder if there is any
way that something like Muse Score could open a PDF and I could
somehow figure out what notes are where? I'm thinking of chords with
three or more notes across both hands, my ear being unable to figure
them out by listening to a recording.

I'd love a means of converting a PDF or a midi file into a text from
which I can determine the notes ... the durations are less important
for me since I can remember how the pieces sound.

It's funny, I just asked a sighted friend for help with three notes
in Chopin's first ballade which I was struggling to remember just
this morning!

Thanks for any ideas (and no, I never learned to read Braille music)

Giles

NO that does not suck thats wok for the devs.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Joseph Weakland
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

that sucks:(


On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible
with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully, nvda
just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an nvda
issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was thinking I
would be going to eventually buy an i device.

Can you get it to work on documents that are 100's of pages? That's
where I found qread to be much better for searching.


Thanks,
Mike

On 9/13/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net> wrote:

That's a screen-reader command, but yes, that should work more nicely.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: September 13, 2018 5:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

Insert+ctrl+f works in Adobe.
At 01:54 PM 9/13/2018, you wrote:

The Adobe Acrobat find feature is weird and doesn't quite work nicely
with screen-readers in my experience.

You should have both Adobe and qRead on your system if you want, imo.
I like qRead mostly because it is fast as hell. If you set Adobe to
load the entire document, which is wise if you really want proper
functionality to work, but then try to open a really large file, you've
no doubt noticed how irritatingly long it takes to process.
qRead can do this in just a few seconds. So I like how small and snappy
it is by comparison.

However, sometimes you will just need the Adobe product instead.
qRead doesn't always seem to show document formatting properly. You
can't print from it if I remember right, and anyway, if formatting is
wanky, you wouldn't want to. You can't fill out forms. Etc, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Sedmak
Sent: September 13, 2018 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

I find that search works in qread but have trouble searching for text
in acrobat reader.

On 9/13/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:

I know that QRead is specifically designed for the blind, but are
there any advantages it has in reading PDFs that make it
significantly better than Adobe Acrobat with NVDA?

I have a sort-of similar question. I used to play piano in my sighted
days but mever memorised any of the music, prefering to read the
score as I played. Now I can't read a score I can't remember much of
those pieces.

I have PDF scores of a lot of piano music and wonder if there is any
way that something like Muse Score could open a PDF and I could
somehow figure out what notes are where? I'm thinking of chords with
three or more notes across both hands, my ear being unable to figure
them out by listening to a recording.

I'd love a means of converting a PDF or a midi file into a text from
which I can determine the notes ... the durations are less important
for me since I can remember how the pieces sound.

It's funny, I just asked a sighted friend for help with three notes
in Chopin's first ballade which I was struggling to remember just
this morning!

Thanks for any ideas (and no, I never learned to read Braille music)

Giles

That's a screen-reader command, but yes, that should work more nicely.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: September 13, 2018 5:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

Insert+ctrl+f works in Adobe.
At 01:54 PM 9/13/2018, you wrote:

The Adobe Acrobat find feature is weird and doesn't quite work nicely
with screen-readers in my experience.

You should have both Adobe and qRead on your system if you want, imo.
I like qRead mostly because it is fast as hell. If you set Adobe to
load the entire document, which is wise if you really want proper
functionality to work, but then try to open a really large file, you've
no doubt noticed how irritatingly long it takes to process.
qRead can do this in just a few seconds. So I like how small and snappy
it is by comparison.

However, sometimes you will just need the Adobe product instead.
qRead doesn't always seem to show document formatting properly. You
can't print from it if I remember right, and anyway, if formatting is
wanky, you wouldn't want to. You can't fill out forms. Etc, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Sedmak
Sent: September 13, 2018 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

I find that search works in qread but have trouble searching for text
in acrobat reader.

On 9/13/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:

I know that QRead is specifically designed for the blind, but are
there any advantages it has in reading PDFs that make it
significantly better than Adobe Acrobat with NVDA?

The Adobe Acrobat find feature is weird and doesn't quite work nicely
with screen-readers in my experience.

You should have both Adobe and qRead on your system if you want, imo.
I like qRead mostly because it is fast as hell. If you set Adobe to
load the entire document, which is wise if you really want proper
functionality to work, but then try to open a really large file, you've
no doubt noticed how irritatingly long it takes to process.
qRead can do this in just a few seconds. So I like how small and snappy
it is by comparison.

However, sometimes you will just need the Adobe product instead.
qRead doesn't always seem to show document formatting properly. You
can't print from it if I remember right, and anyway, if formatting is
wanky, you wouldn't want to. You can't fill out forms. Etc, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Sedmak
Sent: September 13, 2018 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

I find that search works in qread but have trouble searching for text
in acrobat reader.

On 9/13/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:

I know that QRead is specifically designed for the blind, but are
there any advantages it has in reading PDFs that make it
significantly better than Adobe Acrobat with NVDA?

The Adobe Acrobat find feature is weird and doesn't quite work nicely with screen-readers in my experience.

You should have both Adobe and qRead on your system if you want, imo.
I like qRead mostly because it is fast as hell. If you set Adobe to load the entire document, which is wise if you really want proper functionality to work, but then try to open a really large file, you've no doubt noticed how irritatingly long it takes to process. qRead can do this in just a few seconds. So I like how small and snappy it is by comparison.

However, sometimes you will just need the Adobe product instead. qRead doesn't always seem to show document formatting properly. You can't print from it if I remember right, and anyway, if formatting is wanky, you wouldn't want to. You can't fill out forms. Etc, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
Sent: September 13, 2018 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Acrobat vs. QRead

I find that search works in qread but have trouble searching for text in acrobat reader.

On 9/13/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:

I know that QRead is specifically designed for the blind, but are
there any advantages it has in reading PDFs that make it significantly
better than Adobe Acrobat with NVDA?

I haven't any MIDI device connected to My PC.

Can I use QWS also?

Hi Sean. I updated to 12.9 of iTunes and I’m having the same issues as your are. It sucks cause I listen to most of my Apple Music via iTunes on my PC and NVDA doesn’t read a thing. Narrator does, but I can’t press ent on any track to play it. It does nothing.



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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:22:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue

Well they say its an nvda issue, I wouldn't mind except itunes is the
only way to update things, saying with the death of the store on
windows, unless I use it for podcasts and such on windows which I
probably won't there is almost no reason for me to ever use it except if
I need to store a full backup, and I know a program like contacts backup
will work for contacts, the rest is on icloud and the storage rates are
fair enough.

It does appear that the itunes universal and the itune pc app have the
same interface but the fact is I do wander if the itunes app was
accessible in the first place, I never needed to check.

However, while I will soldier on with this, this latest issue may push
me off of ios, not because its quite accessible but if I can't use the
windows configuration and sync software properly then if it goes pair
shaped then I have no chance at all.

On the other hand, with android the chance that my software to do things
from windows is going to be accessible is probably low to and I know
where to get apple stuff and it is only 1 single system to learn which
is probably why I will still end up using it, as long as I have an old
device, this latest issue is starting to make me think twice about
putting all my stuff in the apple environment.

I have family now with apple devices with a lot of stuff, once your
stuff is in apple its going to have to stay there and you will have to
continue to use it, and while I won't get the latest something I am
seriously thinking on my next device being with the competition.

To be honest if I didn't care for apps and as long as I have a 32 bit
unit about I can continue using symbian phones for the rest of my life
but there are so many reasons to actually get up and use apps these days.



On 9/13/2018 2:50 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I’m not so interested in being fair to Apple in this instance. Microsoft has made the office suite reasonably accessible on the Mac and even on I devices. Apple hasn’t done that well with iTunes or iCloud for that matter. As somebody who owned a Mac for years, hoping that Apple would catch up with Accessibility there and eventually I went back to windows, I’m disgusted. Far more people in this world use windows then use a Mac. I love the eye devices. Apple needs to step up his game on windows. It’s that simple.
Mary

On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:40 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

To be fair to Apple, Apple's stuff works pretty differently on Apple's
stuff, as opposed to Windows ports. I don't know if Safari under Windows
is usable, but it's usable, if pretty weird, on the mac.

On 9/12/2018 19:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Thanks for that.

On 9/13/2018 11:19 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Apple has an accessibility address

accessibility@apple.com

wher you can send email. They also have a direct phone number to the
accessibility department. But I don't know about contacting them on
this line outside the U.S., since it is a toll-free number. (877)
204–3930

On 9/12/2018 4:09 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yes it does, I was getting close to getting into apple devices, my
aunt well has this, they had issues with icloud, most of that is
fixed, I wouldn't complain but basically the entire window does not
display, on the desktop itunes, not sure about the app, not sure
about dolphin or jaws,

But a lot of us need to contact apple about this though I had a job
to even get accessibility the main support tech was almost
completely useless, I had to go through itunes billing to get a real
human the drone I had was useless, scarily enough, when I reached
apple access the person I got sounded almost but not quite like the
eva cortana voice, so who knows if that was real or not but who
knows I am sure it was <grin>

On 9/13/2018 11:04 AM, Joseph Weakland wrote:
that sucks:(

On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible
with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully,
nvda just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an
nvda issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was
thinking I would be going to eventually buy an i device.