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Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Hi All,

Please help!  For some reason I cannot figure out, when I start my computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something called ‘life at a glancd-group header” with some icons under for calendar, weather…

I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot find a way to get back to the desktop.  Pleas help.

Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are not computer savvy!

Many thanks.

Blessings

Pascal


Re: Want to upgrade computer

Gene
 

It is very easy to find out.  Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;  mid jan 2020, mid 2020,  any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Re: Want to upgrade computer

Monte Single
 

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;  mid jan 2020, mid 2020,  any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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off topic: about android:

 

hi every one.
if someone has android 9 with espeak, please email me privately.
thanks for any help, God bless you!

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from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Want to upgrade computer

Gene
 

For years, almost all programs run in 64 bit Windows were 32 bit programs.  There are more 64bit programs now but most are still 32bit. 
 
In 64 bit Windows, while some, perhaps many people can get good performance with 4GB of RAM, manufacturers are now generally putting 8GB of RAM in Windows computers, which I think is a good idea.  My machine came with 4gb, in 2011 and because of the ways I use it, that is enough.  But I've looked at my memory use at times and it is too close to using all RAM than I think is good since, if I were a little more demanding of the machine, I might come close to or reach the limit of my RAM.  But I don't do demanding things with the machine, probably on the low side of how the majority of people use their machines.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Clare Page
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Re: Want to upgrade computer

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Re: What does this error mean?

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An associated issue with both Firefox and Waterfox for some time now has been sluggish page loading to the point where the whole page or part of it has server not found try again and when you do of course it loads it usually.
Its not happening with no nvda I'm told, but to me this seems to point at a problem with the internet, but its obviously not that either as my machine is fast and can stream hd video with no issues. My gut feeling is as Joseph said, that at some point a link internal to the browser has to do stuff, and while its in nvda, bits of important info get lost and the browser is thus not seeing what it expects as I'd imagine it simply does not know what the dll is off doing at the time. Luckily its only a minor gripe, however it does seem less likely in Jaws.
Of course having a 32 bit screenreader interacting with a 64 bit browser might well be an issue. its the sort of problem very hard to trace since I'm sure some never ever see it while others do.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] What does this error mean?


Hi,
Technical: in some cases, NVDA relies on a DLL to perform browse mode related work. The job of this DLL is to go inside a web browser process (firefox.exe, for instance) and gather as much info about the currently open web document so NVDA can display it via its own method on the fly. Not all web browsers (and document rendering engines) will permit such an operation (Microsoft Edge is one such case), and for these, NVDA relies on API's exposed by the web browser's rendering engine( this is one of the reasons why you can't navigate to visited links quickly in Edge via first letter navigation commands, one of the visible limitations).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 8:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What does this error mean?

Hi Clarissa,
This usually means NVDA tried to perform work related to browse mode management or other operation, and somehow, things didn't work out. Usually logging out and back in fixes this.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What does this error mean?

Hello NVDA users. For a little while now, I have been seeing this when I run, particularly, Firefox with NVDA, although I can't really be sure it's Firefox that is causing the problem. But Firefox does appear to be very sluggish with NVDA. Here is the message:

The window title says: NVDA helper remote injection terminate and the dialog says: error, waiting for local thread to die, already dead or not responding

I notice this sometimes when I press CTRL+ALT+n to restart NVDA after it has stopped speaking for some unknown reason.

I just got the NVDA update today, and it did not fix the problem. I think I first noticed this error last week. I have never encountered such an error before.


Re: VIDEO GAMING

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Yes indeed. I'm not myself interested, but others may well be.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VIDEO GAMING


If it does indeed involve using NVDA, I don't know about anybody else,
but I wish you'd post to the list instead. Or at least link to a guide.
If you're using NVDA for some of it then I'd think that would be topical
and I'd be interested in learning more about it all.



On 1/14/2019 19:27, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, actually not. He means video games such as forza and pubg and sea
of theves. I'll gt back to him off list as some of these we can play
with the use of the controlers and nvda, kind of.

Take care

On 14 Jan 2019, at 14:50, Adel Spence wrote:

I think site you are looking for is:
www.audiogames.net

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Richard Bartholomew <mailto:rlbart53@gmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING

Thanks for the pointers and the offer of further information.
Over the years, I’ve dabbled with adventure and strategy
games but what intrigues me is the idea of video gaming –
okay, maybe I should say here that my interpretation of video
gaming is the narrow one of “shoot ‘em up” style of game which
I’m having trouble picturing with speech only! Also, I’m
assuming that this is the type of games referred to earlier as
it’s generally the video aspect of games which is memory and
processor intensive.

I’ll definitely go and look for that accessible gaming site,
though, to see what’s available.

Thanks again.

Richard Bartholomew

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*goshawk on horseback
*Sent:* 14 January 2019 22:04
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING
*Importance:* High

I don't know about mainstream games, but there are quite a
number of games designed for us, which are either self
voicing, or that should work with NVDA.

there is a site that lists most if not all of them, but I
can't remember what it is.

there is also the blind gamers e-mail list at:

blind-gamers+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:blind-gamers+subscribe@groups.io>

where you should be able to get info on just about any
accessible game out there.

have you given any thought to what types of games you would be
interested in?

Simon

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Richard Bartholomew <mailto:rlbart53@gmail.com>

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Sent:*Monday, January 14, 2019 9:52 PM

*Subject:*[nvda]VIDEO GAMING

Hi,

Earlier today, I saw a message from someone saying they
were a video gamer and am interested to know what video
games are accessible via NVDA to a totally blind user,
please, as this may be an avenue I’d like to explore.

Thanks for any info.

Richard Bartholomew


Re: VIDEO GAMING

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Often it very much depends on the eye condition and how much you can see. Back in the 80s and 90s when I was partially sighted, I could still see enough to do some of the alien shoot em up games. Of course in those days we had chunky primary coloured things to shoot at.
It all began to go wrong with games like Robocop etc, which tended to be going toward pixel level high speed stuff. Now being completely blind I find I have no real interest in the games. I think the complexity put me off a bit before this. Games like Elite with its strategy and the need for precise skills and fast reactions put me off.
I prefer silly not realistic stuff myself.

There are of course games made for the blind that use directional audio, but as for mainstream adaptations, I'm sure it is possible but I'd suspect the access would need to be built in not via a screenreader like nvda, as its not really optimised for fast action anything!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Bartholomew" <rlbart53@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING


Thanks for the pointers and the offer of further information. Over the
years, I've dabbled with adventure and strategy games but what intrigues me
is the idea of video gaming - okay, maybe I should say here that my
interpretation of video gaming is the narrow one of "shoot 'em up" style of
game which I'm having trouble picturing with speech only! Also, I'm
assuming that this is the type of games referred to earlier as it's
generally the video aspect of games which is memory and processor intensive.



I'll definitely go and look for that accessible gaming site, though, to see
what's available.



Thanks again.



Richard Bartholomew





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of goshawk on
horseback
Sent: 14 January 2019 22:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING
Importance: High



I don't know about mainstream games, but there are quite a number of games
designed for us, which are either self voicing, or that should work with
NVDA.

there is a site that lists most if not all of them, but I can't remember
what it is.

there is also the blind gamers e-mail list at:

blind-gamers+subscribe@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers+subscribe@groups.io>

where you should be able to get info on just about any accessible game out
there.

have you given any thought to what types of games you would be interested
in?



Simon





----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Bartholomew <mailto:rlbart53@gmail.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 9:52 PM

Subject: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING



Hi,



Earlier today, I saw a message from someone saying they were a video gamer
and am interested to know what video games are accessible via NVDA to a
totally blind user, please, as this may be an avenue I'd like to explore.



Thanks for any info.



Richard Bartholomew








Re: VIDEO GAMING

John Isige
 

If it does indeed involve using NVDA, I don't know about anybody else,
but I wish you'd post to the list instead. Or at least link to a guide.
If you're using NVDA for some of it then I'd think that would be topical
and I'd be interested in learning more about it all.

On 1/14/2019 19:27, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, actually not. He means video games such as forza and pubg and sea
of theves. I'll gt back to him off list as some of these we can play
with the use of the controlers and nvda, kind of.

Take care

On 14 Jan 2019, at 14:50, Adel Spence wrote:

I think site you are looking for is:
www.audiogames.net

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Richard Bartholomew <mailto:rlbart53@gmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING

Thanks for the pointers and the offer of further information.
 Over the years, I’ve dabbled with adventure and strategy
games but what intrigues me is the idea of video gaming –
okay, maybe I should say here that my interpretation of video
gaming is the narrow one of “shoot ‘em up” style of game which
I’m having trouble picturing with speech only! Also, I’m
assuming that this is the type of games referred to earlier as
it’s generally the video aspect of games which is memory and
processor intensive.

I’ll definitely go and look for that accessible gaming site,
though, to see what’s available.

Thanks again.

Richard Bartholomew

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*goshawk on horseback
*Sent:* 14 January 2019 22:04
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING
*Importance:* High

I don't know about mainstream games, but there are quite a
number of games designed for us, which are either self
voicing, or that should work with NVDA.

there is a site that lists most if not all of them, but I
can't remember what it is.

there is also the blind gamers e-mail list at:

blind-gamers+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:blind-gamers+subscribe@groups.io>

where you should be able to get info on just about any
accessible game out there.

have you given any thought to what types of games you would be
interested in?

Simon

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Richard Bartholomew <mailto:rlbart53@gmail.com>

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Sent:*Monday, January 14, 2019 9:52 PM

*Subject:*[nvda]VIDEO GAMING

Hi,

Earlier today, I saw a message from someone saying they
were a video gamer and am interested to know what video
games are accessible via NVDA to a totally blind user,
please, as this may be an avenue I’d like to explore.

Thanks for any info.

Richard Bartholomew


Re: What does this error mean?

Annette Moore
 

I got that error once but I can't remember now what I was doing. I remember feeling a bit alarmed by it, though. I've not seen it again since then, though.

Annette

On 1/14/2019 9:57 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
Hello NVDA users. For a little while now, I have been seeing this when
I run, particularly, Firefox with NVDA, although I can't really be
sure it's Firefox that is causing the problem. But Firefox does appear
to be very sluggish with NVDA. Here is the message:

The window title says: NVDA helper remote injection terminate
and the dialog says: error, waiting for local thread to die, already
dead or not responding

I notice this sometimes when I press CTRL+ALT+n to restart NVDA after
it has stopped speaking for some unknown reason.

I just got the NVDA update today, and it did not fix the problem. I
think I first noticed this error last week. I have never encountered
such an error before.


Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update

MariaRosa Chapman
 

I was able to install with no problem, and it's working fine. no stuttering.



Maria


On 15/01/2019 08:49, Annette Moore wrote:

No stuttering of any kind here, but I did have to try installing the update toNVDA twice because something must've gone wrong the first time. There was no error that I could find; it just didn't install, so I restarted NVDA and went through the downloading and installation again, and it worked that time. All seems to be in fine working order now from this end.

Annette

On 1/14/2019 12:58 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

I’d like to find out if others who have updated to 2018.4.1 are also experiencing audio issues after doing so (I’m running an equivalent alpha build and not experiencing it, but I’ll leave open all sorts of possibilities).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update

 

I consider myself very lucky as I didn't get any update to nvda this morning. If it does show up, I'll cancel out of it until this problem is fixed.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 1/14/2019 12:06 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Yes, I reported the same after updating to NVDA and Windows latest versions.  My other laptop which is still using NVDA 2017.3 and Win10 version 1803 has no problems.  I am about to use the recovery USB on my Acer laptop as the stuttering starts after every 2 or 3 min of use.  It is very annoying.  I tried everything to no use!

Blessings

Pascal    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update

 

Hello,

just updated to the latest NVDA update and whenever i'm browsing my computer, working online and such, I occasionally get this weird audio stuttering. All realtek drivers are up to date. Prior to updating I did not experience any issues. Has anyone else experienced? Thanks.

armando

 


Re: I'm so grateful for Nvda

Quentin Christensen
 

Thank you everyone!

On behalf of the NV Access team, we really appreciate hearing from everyone and being able to make a difference.  Here's to 2019 being even better again!

Quentin.


On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 8:53 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
i love nvda very much.
i believe that becoming familiar with nvda is one of the greatest
bounties and favors of God for me.
i always appreciate God for his grace and also developers of nvda who
made this blessing possible for me.
i always pray for them in my five times obligatory daily prayers and
request divine infinite mercy and blessings for them.
i use nvda every day, i cant immagine one
day without nvda and i requested God to help me use nvda in all of my
lifetime and by his grace, i wish to use nvda forever even if one day,
i become sighted!
i really love iven3, its voice is very sweete, lovely, kind and
friendly and i love it very much and enjoy if i read hundreds of
pages.

On 1/9/19, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
> I do have a demo version of Jaws on this computer. Yes, it is a good idea to
> have at least two screen readers in case one crashes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte
> Single
> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 9:16 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda
>
>
>
> As many people on this and other lists point out, it is a good idea to have
> a second screen reader on your  machine.  This is where the 40  minute demo
> of jaws is sometimes helpful.
>
> Now there is 1 positive thing I can say about the jaws business.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
> Sent: January-09-19 10:49 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda
>
>
>
> Hi.
>
> I used to use Jaws. Ever since I was little. But then in 2017 I switched to
> NVDA when I purchased a new laptop. I am using NVDA full time now as well,
> not looking to buy a Jaws sma anytime soon.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:04 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda
>
>
>
> I too am very grateful for NVDA. I used to use a different screen reader but
> I couldn't afford the upgrades anymore so I switched to NVDA full-time in
> 2011. I haven't looked back.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda
>
>
>
> Same here. I love it's free and so flexible. I can install it on my home PC
> and my work PC, without any inconvenience to my employer. The world of
> computers and internet stays wholistic and in place, thanks to NVDA.
> --
> Regards,
> Sociohack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: What does this error mean?

 

Hi,
Technical: in some cases, NVDA relies on a DLL to perform browse mode related work. The job of this DLL is to go inside a web browser process (firefox.exe, for instance) and gather as much info about the currently open web document so NVDA can display it via its own method on the fly. Not all web browsers (and document rendering engines) will permit such an operation (Microsoft Edge is one such case), and for these, NVDA relies on API's exposed by the web browser's rendering engine( this is one of the reasons why you can't navigate to visited links quickly in Edge via first letter navigation commands, one of the visible limitations).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 8:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What does this error mean?

Hi Clarissa,
This usually means NVDA tried to perform work related to browse mode management or other operation, and somehow, things didn't work out. Usually logging out and back in fixes this.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What does this error mean?

Hello NVDA users. For a little while now, I have been seeing this when I run, particularly, Firefox with NVDA, although I can't really be sure it's Firefox that is causing the problem. But Firefox does appear to be very sluggish with NVDA. Here is the message:

The window title says: NVDA helper remote injection terminate and the dialog says: error, waiting for local thread to die, already dead or not responding

I notice this sometimes when I press CTRL+ALT+n to restart NVDA after it has stopped speaking for some unknown reason.

I just got the NVDA update today, and it did not fix the problem. I think I first noticed this error last week. I have never encountered such an error before.


Re: What does this error mean?

 

I used to get this message with an old computer.
Until now, I didn't ever known what it exactly is.
So I'll be looking to this thread, maybe I can finally find out what was disturbing me those days.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 15/01/2019 01:57, Clarissa Mitchell escreveu:

Hello NVDA users. For a little while now, I have been seeing this when
I run, particularly, Firefox with NVDA, although I can't really be
sure it's Firefox that is causing the problem. But Firefox does appear
to be very sluggish with NVDA. Here is the message:

The window title says: NVDA helper remote injection terminate
and the dialog says: error, waiting for local thread to die, already
dead or not responding

I notice this sometimes when I press CTRL+ALT+n to restart NVDA after
it has stopped speaking for some unknown reason.

I just got the NVDA update today, and it did not fix the problem. I
think I first noticed this error last week. I have never encountered
such an error before.






Re: What does this error mean?

 

Hi Clarissa,
This usually means NVDA tried to perform work related to browse mode management or other operation, and somehow, things didn't work out. Usually logging out and back in fixes this.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] What does this error mean?

Hello NVDA users. For a little while now, I have been seeing this when I run, particularly, Firefox with NVDA, although I can't really be sure it's Firefox that is causing the problem. But Firefox does appear to be very sluggish with NVDA. Here is the message:

The window title says: NVDA helper remote injection terminate and the dialog says: error, waiting for local thread to die, already dead or not responding

I notice this sometimes when I press CTRL+ALT+n to restart NVDA after it has stopped speaking for some unknown reason.

I just got the NVDA update today, and it did not fix the problem. I think I first noticed this error last week. I have never encountered such an error before.


What does this error mean?

Clarissa Mitchell
 

Hello NVDA users. For a little while now, I have been seeing this when
I run, particularly, Firefox with NVDA, although I can't really be
sure it's Firefox that is causing the problem. But Firefox does appear
to be very sluggish with NVDA. Here is the message:

The window title says: NVDA helper remote injection terminate
and the dialog says: error, waiting for local thread to die, already
dead or not responding

I notice this sometimes when I press CTRL+ALT+n to restart NVDA after
it has stopped speaking for some unknown reason.

I just got the NVDA update today, and it did not fix the problem. I
think I first noticed this error last week. I have never encountered
such an error before.


Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Gene
 

Your specifications for the average user are inflated. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Dear Sarah & List:

 

You are correct, video editing can require much RAM and CPU power, so can Audio Editing; however, it depends on your editing program.

 

Sound Forge is a RAM hog and a CPU power lover. Goldwave on the other hand, has a much lighter footprint on your PC, same for the Olympus Sonority multitrack audio editor.

 

MS Word can be a RAM glutton if you are editing and spell checking mammoth-size files. Alternatively, using the Generate command to produce your final document, deleting strikeouts, inserting red lined material, etc.

Excel can be a RAM pig and CPU power hog, however do you really want to run the Decennial Census of the United States using Excel spreadsheets on your PC? Alternatively, recalculate truly massive spreadsheets, calculating the cost of running the General Electric Company or Boeing Aircraft for a calendar Quarter? You

 

Is Outlook is a relatively light user of ram & CPU power, when reading mail, you just display messages on the  messages, which takes little resources,  when reading mail, it displays messages on the screen advancing page by page relatively slowly. When composing spell checking, it uses more CPU power

 

If you deal with typical spreadsheets for a small organization, such as the PTA or your Church or Temple, you will not overload your PC.

 

As the PC swaps memory, too disk and accesses other files with spell check dictionaries and such.

 

Sound editing smaller files is much easier than for larger files

Yes, if you demand top performance, ask for an Intel I8 CPU with all the DDR4 RAM the PC will hold, with a discrete Video card to relieve the PC of the work of painting the display. This is especially important if you do animation.

 

However, for the average user you can live with 16 GB of DDR4 RAM and an Intel I6 or 7 chip.

CAD/CAM can use much CPU and RAM.

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

Doing CAD/CAM and other heavy computational tasks call Sent: January 11, 2019 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

The student say "heavy intense application" so in my mind that is video editing, excel, word, outlook, power point, audio editing software, video rendering and editing software. Run all of that at once, and even an 8-gig machine will choke. My capture card required eight gigs so I plug that in, watch my fans spin up and watch it use eight gigs of ram leaving me with 24 to play with. Forza uses I think about 4-8, I do not know how much nvda uses but by the time I am done I will have used most if not all of my ram in a day.

On 11 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Gene wrote:

I did not say you should buy one.  I said that it is still very useable as a demonstration that you can buy a machine that, if it is reasonably powerful, not a power user machine, but in the moderate price range, it should be expected to be very useable for years.  That is, of course, if the machine meets your needs, and we are talking about typical uses, and if your needs do not change dramatically regarding the power of machine you need.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

Hehahahahaha. 20011? Well, I know we are in 2019. I do know what you meant, but I would not buy a machine that old at all. My buddies mac is starting to finally show its age and it's 6 years old. He went to go sell it and didn't, they would have only given him 50 cents for it. Um? Wow?

True I'm not the normal computer user, but I never was even when I was learning how to use windows in 2001, or was it 2002? I wanted to learn it all, do it all, use all the power I could.

Take care

On 11 Jan 2019, at 13:14, Gene wrote:

I wouldn't pay a lot of money for a three-year-old machine and less for older ones.  And I would be unlikely to buy a machine from a private person, regardless of how new it is unless I was going to reformat it or use the Windows 10 feature to return the machine to the original Windows state.  Who knows what malware might be on the machine. 

 

But a one year limit for a typical user is arbitrary and not applicable. 

 

The kinds of uses being discussed, browsing, e-mail, word processing, streaming, etc. are not intensive operations.  Computers purchased five six, eight years ago, if reasonably powerful, can perform them today.  I have a laptop from 20011 that was about a $500 machine when it was purchasedit still performs those tasks very well. 

 

The general advice is that when a computer becomes five years old, it shouldn't be considered reliable, and that is one reason I wouldn't spend a lot of money on a machine three years old or older.  But many machines work for eight or ten or more years so if the price is right, it's a good gamble if you want to gamble. 

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 2:48 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

Actually I would not let even that student touch anything over a year old. I don't care if it still works. Many companies don't support let's say a 7 year old machine the school might be giving to their students. If the school can afford it let them buy refers that are a year old if that is even possible as long as they have 8 or 16 gigs of ram and the students can use them for class but anything over a year old at least in terms of school settings is yucky to me.

I know a family member who is at their office still using windows I think it's 7. They refuse to upgrade the their machines are 10 years old, but what would you expect from most people who don't really care about this stuff.

 

If I could afford it I would replace my computers every year or 2 even though they still work. It's staying up to date with technology and going with the best if you can, at least to me.

 

On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:34, Brian Vogel wrote:

Sarah,

            You really seem to be spinning out over these last several posts.   This really is not about you, or your needs or wants, but trying to offer advice regarding how best to make buying decisions related to computers in general.

             It's not that your needs are wrong, but they're utterly irrelevant to what I've seen as the broader point of this whole topic.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Senior citizan support

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I have remote 2.1
***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Senior citizan support


Well its going to also need the older version of remote. Does anyone know if the current version will work with the older nvda? This is something I've been meaning to ask for a while as there are still a lot of xp machines out there just doing basic stuff.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@comcast.net>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:09 PM
Subject: [nvda] Senior citizan support


I am working with an older lady who is running XP home. which version of NVDA
do I need that works with nvdaRemote? ***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****







Re: VIDEO GAMING

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, actually not. He means video games such as forza and pubg and sea of theves. I'll gt back to him off list as some of these we can play with the use of the controlers and nvda, kind of.

Take care

On 14 Jan 2019, at 14:50, Adel Spence wrote:

I think site you are looking for is:
www.audiogames.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING

Thanks for the pointers and the offer of further information.  Over the years, I’ve dabbled with adventure and strategy games but what intrigues me is the idea of video gaming – okay, maybe I should say here that my interpretation of video gaming is the narrow one of “shoot ‘em up” style of game which I’m having trouble picturing with speech only!  Also, I’m assuming that this is the type of games referred to earlier as it’s generally the video aspect of games which is memory and processor intensive.

 

I’ll definitely go and look for that accessible gaming site, though, to see what’s available.

 

Thanks again.

 

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback
Sent: 14 January 2019 22:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING
Importance: High

 

I don't know about mainstream games, but there are quite a number of games designed for us, which are either self voicing, or that should work with NVDA.

there is a site that lists most if not all of them, but I can't remember what it is.

there is also the blind gamers e-mail list at:

where you should be able to get info on just about any accessible game out there.

have you given any thought to what types of games you would be interested in?

 

Simon

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 9:52 PM

Subject: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING

 

Hi,

 

Earlier today, I saw a message from someone saying they were a video gamer and am interested to know what video games are accessible via NVDA to a totally blind user, please, as this may be an avenue I’d like to explore.

 

Thanks for any info.

 

Richard Bartholomew