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Skype and navigation, I see no headings and so on.
John Isige
So I just installed Skype 8 because I figure I can always go back to the app version if I don't like it. It must have had my credentials stored from the app version because it signed me in right away after it got done with setup. Here's the screen I see, tabbing through it.
Chats", which is tab one of four, it informs me I have no unread notifications. Sort by time, which is a menu. New chat, which is also a menu. Then I get a list of chats, and if I arrow through them, it reads like this: "person 1, button, some of the message to person 1 and if it's long enough, if I arrow to the next line, more of the message to person 1 as a button and so on, person2 and message as a button, Etc." Continuing with tab, a start tutorial button, A check account link, "my info, active" which is a button, my skype username also as a button, a "more options" menu, "search skype" which is a button, and "use dialpad", which is also a button. Did I do something wrong? Where are all of these headings and edit fields and such? I looked in settings but I didn't really see anything about appearance or accessibility or what have you. I thought maybe it was in the list of chats, but no web commands work there either. Focus mode makes no difference. It just doesn't seem to be a web-like interface at all. It's certainly different from the app version, but nothing like what I expected from people's descriptions. This is an install of "Skype-8.30.0.50.exe", right from www.skype.com. I can arrow around in the list of chat messages and select with the normal Windows commands, that's nice. The window is just titled Skype but when I alt-tab to it, it says "Skype preview document", which seems to imply that NVDA thinks it's not your ordinary window. I assume if I hit enter and/or space on anything labelled "button" in the chat list it will open that specific conversation so I can see more than just the most recent message. Yep, and in there, I get headings for days. But I can't figure out how to close the chat, escape didn't work, nor did ctrl-F4, and alt-F4 just closed the Skype window, but it should still be running in the background, because I told it to in settings. Yep, it says it's in the system tray anyway. The duplicated messages are kind of weird, if I arrow up through the chat it has a message, then a profile button, then the message again. Anybody got any tips? I can navigate it but the web stuff doesn't seem to be working, except in a specific conversation, and like I said, I can't figure out how to close the conversation I opened. I'm sure I'll do more dumb stuff with it later.
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NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.
hello, i am from russia and i using espeak. in changelog i noticed that the synthesizer was updated. unfortunately because of the update, some words and prepositions were pronounced very strange. I can not explain it to people who do not know Russian, but it sounds unpleasant.
is it possible to not update the synthesizer in the release, or to find the source of the problem? Sincerely, Alexander.
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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Gene
They are aware. If the story is in the
popular press, they knew about it before it was covered there. If people
want to complain to Google about the feature, it may make them more likely to do
something about the problem.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to
correct you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many devices, they better know what they are doing. On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote: > Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles. > > See this article: > https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b > > Gene > > > >
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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Well google need to be made aware, its not that bad if you know where you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many devices, they better know what they are doing.
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On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
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Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.
Well and there is my issue, to be honest, its probably just that bit more anoying because skype is not my main business mainstay.
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Skype7 keeps asking me to update it even with settings changed. Right now I just won't use skype till it becomes accessible, stable, or I need it. That does mean I will have to turn down some international business but so what. Its not that hard for me to boykot skype and so I will before I get started on it again. I want a stable, accessible and usable skype, skype classic is that version. I barely needed it and if I am going to start needing it as a matter of a job I need to know it will continue to work.
On 9/12/2018 1:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
And yet they are saying they are not stopping supporting it in a press release some days back. Do the left and right hand know what they are doing I wonder.
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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Kwork
I used it once, and got a false positive on something, so never
used it again. Pretty much stuck with Malwarebytes after that.
On 9/11/2018 9:16 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Gene
Running Malware Bytes might find something.
Or, you might run an antiadware utility. If you want to try it first, it
would be a lot faster. Its name is AdwCleaner. Others may have more
information about it. I believe it found a false positive when I tried it
perhaps a year ago so look carefully at the list of results.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to
correct I only run Microsoft’s MRT and Security Essentials.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Adware. What antimalware programs do you run?
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
With regards to Chrome, Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open? After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening. Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process. But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens. Thanks. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
See this article:
Gene
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Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.
Gene
I don't think they are called landmarks. Land
marks is a term used in Aria formatting, if that is the right word. I
don't use aria to find anything on web pages.
There is an NVDA plugin to set markers on a web
page but I haven't used it and I don't know any more about it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype
for Windows 10. Move to set landmarks with the letter D. I've never set one in NVDA. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10. I figured NVDA does place markers, or by a different name. Maybe not? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G. Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:22 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10. Hi! Place markers? Which add-on are you referring to? Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...>: > > I don't think you have to tab to everything if you know the layout. > You can put place markers to the spots you use a lot, and press K to jump from one to the other. > If it is an edit field, you can press the letter E and you can search for part of a word on a page to go right to it. > And you can list links to arrow through links. > I have to do all this stuff in my work software. > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G. > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:14 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10. > > I wonder why so many developers think tabbing around is our favorite mode of navigation. It's good for familiarizing ourselves with something, but as the only way of getting around it's inefficient. For any sighted dev lurking here, it's like having to click every button in between where focus is and where you'd like it to be. You would start hating it after some time. ;) Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 02:11 Uhr schrieb John Isige <gwynn@...>: > > > > Oh huh! Maybe I'll try that then. If you figure it out that would be > > great but I kind of started using the app because I didn't think you > > could use the desktop version after 7. The other big thing I don't > > like about the app is that if I don't get to the notifications in > > time, like if I'm away from the computer, it leaves this window up > > that just says "new notification" and I can't get rid of it. So it > > kind of messes with switching apps and stuff, or if I close an app > > instead of going right to the desktop I have to hit win-m because > > I'm in the new notification window. Other than that it doesn't seem > > too bad, I have to open it if I want to write longer messages but > > I've been dealing with that OK. Being able to write shorter messages > > right from the notification is kind of handy really. > > > > > > On 9/10/2018 17:42, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > Ok i have both on this computer but only using the skype 8.2 > > > version which is the desk top version. I will log out of that one > > > and have a look back in the other one to see. > > > > > > > > > Gene nz > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/09/2018 10:37 AM, John Isige wrote: > > >> "Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8." So > > >> yeah, not Skype 8.2, but the app version for Windows 10. I'm > > >> pretty sure Windows > > >> 10 won't let you run the not app version, at least the last time > > >> I tried downloading and installing 8, it told me I'd have a > > >> better experience if I installed from the Microsoft store and > > >> gave me an OK button, and that's it. I could go back to 7 since > > >> they seem to be keeping it around, but I'm really trying to get > > >> used to whatever Microsoft wants me to use so I don't have to > > >> worry so much about what's maybe being killed when and then oh no > > >> it turns out that was wrong and so on. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 9/10/2018 17:28, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote: > > >>> hi > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Is it the app version which is on windows 10? or the skype 8.2 > > >>> desktop version? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Gene nz > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 11/09/2018 10:04 AM, John Isige wrote: > > >>>> Hey all. Ran into something today for the first time. I was in > > >>>> a call with somebody and wanted to send them a link in a chat. > > >>>> Skype kept telling me that call controls were shown. There was > > >>>> an option to hide the chat, but no way that I could tell to get > > >>>> into the area where I could type a message. Tabbing through the > > >>>> buttons there was an area where NVDA read nothing and I thought > > >>>> that might be it, but it turned out not to be. So how do I get > > >>>> to where I can type/send a link in a chat to the person I'm in > > >>>> a call with? I checked the hotkeys and I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me as relevant. > > >>>> Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Funnily enough I was trying to send them a link to the NVDA > > >>>> basic training. I ended up emailing them instead which was good > > >>>> because I sent them a bunch of other links too. Still, I'd like > > >>>> to know how to be able to do that when in a call. I assume it's possible. > > >>>> There are also other functions, e.g. sending a file, that I > > >>>> couldn't get to either, e.g. with tab. The set of controls on > > >>>> the screen was pretty limited. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Ervin, Glenn
I only run Microsoft’s MRT and Security Essentials.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Adware. What antimalware programs do you run?
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
With regards to Chrome, Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open? After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening. Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process. But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens. Thanks. Glenn
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
See this article:
Gene
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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Gene
Adware. What antimalware programs do you
run?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to
correct With regards to Chrome, Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open? After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening. Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process. But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens. Thanks. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
See this article:
Gene
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Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.
Ervin, Glenn
I guess they are called Landmarks in NVDA.
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Move to set landmarks with the letter D. I've never set one in NVDA. Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10. I figured NVDA does place markers, or by a different name. Maybe not? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G. Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:22 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10. Hi! Place markers? Which add-on are you referring to? Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>:
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Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.
Ervin, Glenn
I figured NVDA does place markers, or by a different name.
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Maybe not? Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G. Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:22 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10. Hi! Place markers? Which add-on are you referring to? Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>:
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Re: We have Reached a Milestone
Antony Stone
One thing I would greatly appreciate is that if people to see an email they
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feel they have a reply to, please read the following messages which have already been posted in the thread to find out whether someone else has already said it, and if so, avoid the duplication. I do know that some people seem to have problems with emails appearing out of sequence or with significant delays, so they don't necessarily know that something has already been said, but I really don't think that can explain the number of times this problem crops up. Basically, please only post a reply if you can *add* something useful to the discussion. Thanks, Antony.
On Tuesday 11 September 2018 at 16:20:40, Davy Cuppens wrote:
Yes Brian there is sometimes too much traffic here, therefore could you all --
Warum können Seeräuber nicht den Umfang eines Kreises berechnen? Weil sie Piraten... Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.
Felix G.
Hi!
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Place markers? Which add-on are you referring to? Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>:
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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Ervin, Glenn
With regards to Chrome, Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open? After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening. Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process. But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens. Thanks. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
See this article:
Gene
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Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.
Ervin, Glenn
I don't think you have to tab to everything if you know the layout.
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You can put place markers to the spots you use a lot, and press K to jump from one to the other. If it is an edit field, you can press the letter E and you can search for part of a word on a page to go right to it. And you can list links to arrow through links. I have to do all this stuff in my work software. Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G. Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10. I wonder why so many developers think tabbing around is our favorite mode of navigation. It's good for familiarizing ourselves with something, but as the only way of getting around it's inefficient. For any sighted dev lurking here, it's like having to click every button in between where focus is and where you'd like it to be. You would start hating it after some time. ;) Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 02:11 Uhr schrieb John Isige <gwynn@tds.net>:
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A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct
Gene
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among
blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome
designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down
the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts
and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part
of their founding principles.
See this article:
Gene
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Re: We have Reached a Milestone
Davy Cuppens
Yes Brian there is sometimes too much traffic here, therefore could you all just cluster mails and not respond on every single mail sometimes.
Regards Davy -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] We have Reached a Milestone Yes what you need to make sure is that the milestone does not become a millstone around your neck as the saying goes! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:57 AM Subject: [nvda] We have Reached a Milestone Hello everyone,
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Fw: [Nvda-devel] How the branches work at new version time and after
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Thought this might be handy for new folk.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Michael Curran" <mick@nvaccess.org> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Cc: "Brian's Mail list account BY" <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] How the branches work at new version time and after Beta goes to rc and then to stable.
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Re: We have Reached a Milestone
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes what you need to make sure is that the milestone does not become a millstone around your neck as the saying goes!
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:57 AM Subject: [nvda] We have Reached a Milestone Hello everyone,
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