Date   

Re: Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faithandcreed

Ian Blackburn
 

The best part about Christmas is the Christ I celebrate
Regards Ian


On 26 Dec 2018, at 7:56 am, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:

Ame, I haven't seen your name in quite a while.

A Merry Christmas to you and everyone else here as well.

Travis

On 12/25/2018 1:16 PM, Ame wrote:

Well said David!  My passion is the one whose birth we celebrate today.  I follow Him but I sometimes fall down on the job.  Good thing He loves me anyway, huh?  Lol  Merry Christmas everybody!


Re: I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I’ll have to try screen review. Although I must to admit, I don’t know how to use it. I’ll check out the Nvda user guide.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 12:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi, Molly,

 

I think screen review is a way to get around the screen when you can’t do it with just regular keystrokes.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hey guys?

What is screen review? I’ve never heard of it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

I never use screen review, I alwyas use object nav as for me I can get around and skip windows I don't want to see. the laptop layout even though I'm using a full sized keyboard as it just feels more like mac os for me.

On 25 Dec 2018, at 7:11, Gene wrote:

I don't use apps because I don't use versions of Windows newer than Windows 7.  But in standard applications, screen review, the equivalent of the JAWS cursor, can be more convenient and intuitive.  I don't know how many people following this thread use screen review but I think they both should be known.

 

Screen review is very easy to explain in terms of how you switch to it and use it and I will discuss it if people want to know.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi,

As I said multiple times before, screen review won’t work in newer apps, but I do agree that in some cases, screen review is helpful for some tasks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

However, there are times when screen review provides access to the same things and is more convenient to use.  Object navigation can provide access to things at times that screen review can't. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi,

One important thing to remember: I recommend using object navigation for cases where you can’t navigate with a keyboard. Object navigation commands (and for that matter, Golden Cursor add-on) won’t replace the value of using keyboard commands (let’s not go into Golden Cursor add-on, as it is way different than object navigation). Part of what makes NvDA useful (or for that matter, any screen reader useful) is distinguishing when different methods are appropriate.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi.

Happy holidays.

I’ve not tried the golden cursor yet, but it sounds interesting. My goal is to be able to use object navigation in all my favorite apps, word, outlook, etc. It’ll probably make navigating them much easier. It really is neat.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Yes!

That is why I love NVDA so much!

You can get to every element on the screen whether it be a toolbar, a button on the toolbar, or what ever!

It is beautiful to have the Golden cursor add-on to navigate with the mouse as well!

Go NVDA!

Have a great holiday everyone!

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I just like to say that I really like Nvda’s way of navigating objects. It is great to be able to press Nvda plus shift and the arrow keys to explore items on the screen I never thought were there. I am fascinated by how it works. It actually reminds me of how VoiceOver works on the Mac, but I don’t want to get in to that.

Anyway, it’s very cool.

Happy Holidays

 

 

 


Re: Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faithandcreed

Kwork
 

Ame, I haven't seen your name in quite a while.

A Merry Christmas to you and everyone else here as well.

Travis

On 12/25/2018 1:16 PM, Ame wrote:

Well said David!  My passion is the one whose birth we celebrate today.  I follow Him but I sometimes fall down on the job.  Good thing He loves me anyway, huh?  Lol  Merry Christmas everybody!


chrome help needed

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hi, when viewing this link on internet explorer I press g when the site loads it says im/sprite32 which is the play button.  I don’t see that in Chrome.  How do I find the video using chrome  The link is below.  Thanks for your help. ?

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/380277417-video

 


Re: Browse mode and focus

Felix G.
 

Wow that's elegant. So you're monkey-patching the function that deals
with moving in browse mode so that instead of operating on the object
itself it operates on a wrapper that replaces getFocus with a no-op.
I've never seen code that so selectively patches one particular path
of calls.
Took me the better part of half an hour to understand what it does. A
pity it seems not to work, I'm still working out why.
Best,
Felix

Am Di., 25. Dez. 2018 um 21:25 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:


Hello Tony,
I'm afraid I'm still seeing focus events even when they're switched
off. Time for me to look at that code, as I'd love to run that test in
a representative way.
Thanks for the inspiration,
Felix

Am Di., 25. Dez. 2018 um 20:47 Uhr schrieb Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@gmail.com>:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-super-browser/releases/download/v0.1dev/superbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon
Source and description:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-super-browser/
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never have browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off. I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default. It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when you
move in other ways. People learning how to use the internet should not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io <anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2039
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:

Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
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________________________________
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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix




















Re: Browse mode and focus

Felix G.
 

Hello Tony,
I'm afraid I'm still seeing focus events even when they're switched
off. Time for me to look at that code, as I'd love to run that test in
a representative way.
Thanks for the inspiration,
Felix

Am Di., 25. Dez. 2018 um 20:47 Uhr schrieb Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@gmail.com>:


I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-super-browser/releases/download/v0.1dev/superbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon
Source and description:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-super-browser/
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never have browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off. I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default. It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when you
move in other ways. People learning how to use the internet should not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io <anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2039
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:

Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
Follow me on Twitter
Follow or add me on Facebook
Ask me something on CuriousCat
________________________________
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
________________________________
My WhatsApp
________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix



















Re: Merry Christmas and a happy time whatever your faithandcreed

Ame
 

Well said David!  My passion is the one whose birth we celebrate today.  I follow Him but I sometimes fall down on the job.  Good thing He loves me anyway, huh?  Lol  Merry Christmas everybody!


Re: Browse mode and focus

Tony Malykh
 

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-super-browser/releases/download/v0.1dev/superbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon
Source and description:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-super-browser/
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.

On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never have browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off. I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default. It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when you
move in other ways. People learning how to use the internet should not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io <anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2039
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:

Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix


















Re: I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Gene, please discuss it. I, for one, some of us do not know.
Nevzat

On 12/25/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Molly,

I think screen review is a way to get around the screen when you can’t do it
with just regular keystrokes.

Rosemarie



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Hey guys?
What is screen review? I’ve never heard of it.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

I never use screen review, I alwyas use object nav as for me I can get
around and skip windows I don't want to see. the laptop layout even though
I'm using a full sized keyboard as it just feels more like mac os for me.
On 25 Dec 2018, at 7:11, Gene wrote:
I don't use apps because I don't use versions of Windows newer than Windows
7.  But in standard applications, screen review, the equivalent of the JAWS
cursor, can be more convenient and intuitive.  I don't know how many people
following this thread use screen review but I think they both should be
known.

Screen review is very easy to explain in terms of how you switch to it and
use it and I will discuss it if people want to know.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Hi,
As I said multiple times before, screen review won’t work in newer apps, but
I do agree that in some cases, screen review is helpful for some tasks.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

However, there are times when screen review provides access to the same
things and is more convenient to use.  Object navigation can provide access
to things at times that screen review can't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Hi,
One important thing to remember: I recommend using object navigation for
cases where you can’t navigate with a keyboard. Object navigation commands
(and for that matter, Golden Cursor add-on) won’t replace the value of using
keyboard commands (let’s not go into Golden Cursor add-on, as it is way
different than object navigation). Part of what makes NvDA useful (or for
that matter, any screen reader useful) is distinguishing when different
methods are appropriate.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Hi.
Happy holidays.
I’ve not tried the golden cursor yet, but it sounds interesting. My goal is
to be able to use object navigation in all my favorite apps, word, outlook,
etc. It’ll probably make navigating them much easier. It really is neat.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Yes!
That is why I love NVDA so much!
You can get to every element on the screen whether it be a toolbar, a button
on the toolbar, or what ever!
It is beautiful to have the Golden cursor add-on to navigate with the mouse
as well!
Go NVDA!
Have a great holiday everyone!


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Hey guys, Molly here again.
I just like to say that I really like Nvda’s way of navigating objects. It
is great to be able to press Nvda plus shift and the arrow keys to explore
items on the screen I never thought were there. I am fascinated by how it
works. It actually reminds me of how VoiceOver works on the Mac, but I don’t
want to get in to that.
Anyway, it’s very cool.
Happy Holidays








Re: I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Molly,

 

I think screen review is a way to get around the screen when you can’t do it with just regular keystrokes.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hey guys?

What is screen review? I’ve never heard of it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

I never use screen review, I alwyas use object nav as for me I can get around and skip windows I don't want to see. the laptop layout even though I'm using a full sized keyboard as it just feels more like mac os for me.

On 25 Dec 2018, at 7:11, Gene wrote:

I don't use apps because I don't use versions of Windows newer than Windows 7.  But in standard applications, screen review, the equivalent of the JAWS cursor, can be more convenient and intuitive.  I don't know how many people following this thread use screen review but I think they both should be known.

 

Screen review is very easy to explain in terms of how you switch to it and use it and I will discuss it if people want to know.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi,

As I said multiple times before, screen review won’t work in newer apps, but I do agree that in some cases, screen review is helpful for some tasks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

However, there are times when screen review provides access to the same things and is more convenient to use.  Object navigation can provide access to things at times that screen review can't. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi,

One important thing to remember: I recommend using object navigation for cases where you can’t navigate with a keyboard. Object navigation commands (and for that matter, Golden Cursor add-on) won’t replace the value of using keyboard commands (let’s not go into Golden Cursor add-on, as it is way different than object navigation). Part of what makes NvDA useful (or for that matter, any screen reader useful) is distinguishing when different methods are appropriate.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi.

Happy holidays.

I’ve not tried the golden cursor yet, but it sounds interesting. My goal is to be able to use object navigation in all my favorite apps, word, outlook, etc. It’ll probably make navigating them much easier. It really is neat.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Yes!

That is why I love NVDA so much!

You can get to every element on the screen whether it be a toolbar, a button on the toolbar, or what ever!

It is beautiful to have the Golden cursor add-on to navigate with the mouse as well!

Go NVDA!

Have a great holiday everyone!

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I just like to say that I really like Nvda’s way of navigating objects. It is great to be able to press Nvda plus shift and the arrow keys to explore items on the screen I never thought were there. I am fascinated by how it works. It actually reminds me of how VoiceOver works on the Mac, but I don’t want to get in to that.

Anyway, it’s very cool.

Happy Holidays

 

 

 


Re: I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys?

What is screen review? I’ve never heard of it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

I never use screen review, I alwyas use object nav as for me I can get around and skip windows I don't want to see. the laptop layout even though I'm using a full sized keyboard as it just feels more like mac os for me.

On 25 Dec 2018, at 7:11, Gene wrote:

I don't use apps because I don't use versions of Windows newer than Windows 7.  But in standard applications, screen review, the equivalent of the JAWS cursor, can be more convenient and intuitive.  I don't know how many people following this thread use screen review but I think they both should be known.

 

Screen review is very easy to explain in terms of how you switch to it and use it and I will discuss it if people want to know.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi,

As I said multiple times before, screen review won’t work in newer apps, but I do agree that in some cases, screen review is helpful for some tasks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

However, there are times when screen review provides access to the same things and is more convenient to use.  Object navigation can provide access to things at times that screen review can't. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi,

One important thing to remember: I recommend using object navigation for cases where you can’t navigate with a keyboard. Object navigation commands (and for that matter, Golden Cursor add-on) won’t replace the value of using keyboard commands (let’s not go into Golden Cursor add-on, as it is way different than object navigation). Part of what makes NvDA useful (or for that matter, any screen reader useful) is distinguishing when different methods are appropriate.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi.

Happy holidays.

I’ve not tried the golden cursor yet, but it sounds interesting. My goal is to be able to use object navigation in all my favorite apps, word, outlook, etc. It’ll probably make navigating them much easier. It really is neat.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Yes!

That is why I love NVDA so much!

You can get to every element on the screen whether it be a toolbar, a button on the toolbar, or what ever!

It is beautiful to have the Golden cursor add-on to navigate with the mouse as well!

Go NVDA!

Have a great holiday everyone!

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I just like to say that I really like Nvda’s way of navigating objects. It is great to be able to press Nvda plus shift and the arrow keys to explore items on the screen I never thought were there. I am fascinated by how it works. It actually reminds me of how VoiceOver works on the Mac, but I don’t want to get in to that.

Anyway, it’s very cool.

Happy Holidays

 

 


Re: inserting emogies

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I was going to do a tutorial on using emojis with Nvda but someone has very kindly provided one.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Yes it was. It’s easy once you read the tutorial.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Yep. It said thumbs up musical notes. If that was the intended, then it worked. Now I need to learn it. LOL!

Merry Christmas all!

Travis

On 12/25/2018 8:12 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for this.

Lets see if this works!

👍🎶

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 4:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hi,

You’ll need Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Version 1709) or later in order to insert emojis.

There is a tutorial I wrote (featured on most recent Top Tech Tidbids) that goes over emoji panel and how it works, as well as what to expect in coming months with this feature:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/tutorial_all_about_emoji/28794447?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,20,28794447

Note that the tutorial tries to be screen reader agnostic but most of it applies to NVDA users. Don’t worry about the bit on Insider Preview changes to emoji panel – that’s in the future, and I have already written workarounds for it (part of an add-on, and plan to send the code to NV Access for inclusion in a future version of NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:41 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hello,

I know this was brought up before probably but how do you put in an emogie in a message or anything else using nvda?


Re: inserting emogies

molly the blind tech lover
 

There are some silly emojis.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 11:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Yep. It said thumbs up musical notes. If that was the intended, then it worked. Now I need to learn it. LOL!

Merry Christmas all!

Travis

On 12/25/2018 8:12 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for this.

Lets see if this works!

👍🎶

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 4:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hi,

You’ll need Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Version 1709) or later in order to insert emojis.

There is a tutorial I wrote (featured on most recent Top Tech Tidbids) that goes over emoji panel and how it works, as well as what to expect in coming months with this feature:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/tutorial_all_about_emoji/28794447?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,20,28794447

Note that the tutorial tries to be screen reader agnostic but most of it applies to NVDA users. Don’t worry about the bit on Insider Preview changes to emoji panel – that’s in the future, and I have already written workarounds for it (part of an add-on, and plan to send the code to NV Access for inclusion in a future version of NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:41 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hello,

I know this was brought up before probably but how do you put in an emogie in a message or anything else using nvda?


Re: I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Sarah k Alawami
 

I never use screen review, I alwyas use object nav as for me I can get around and skip windows I don't want to see. the laptop layout even though I'm using a full sized keyboard as it just feels more like mac os for me.

On 25 Dec 2018, at 7:11, Gene wrote:

I don't use apps because I don't use versions of Windows newer than Windows 7.  But in standard applications, screen review, the equivalent of the JAWS cursor, can be more convenient and intuitive.  I don't know how many people following this thread use screen review but I think they both should be known.
 
Screen review is very easy to explain in terms of how you switch to it and use it and I will discuss it if people want to know.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Hi,

As I said multiple times before, screen review won’t work in newer apps, but I do agree that in some cases, screen review is helpful for some tasks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

However, there are times when screen review provides access to the same things and is more convenient to use.  Object navigation can provide access to things at times that screen review can't. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi,

One important thing to remember: I recommend using object navigation for cases where you can’t navigate with a keyboard. Object navigation commands (and for that matter, Golden Cursor add-on) won’t replace the value of using keyboard commands (let’s not go into Golden Cursor add-on, as it is way different than object navigation). Part of what makes NvDA useful (or for that matter, any screen reader useful) is distinguishing when different methods are appropriate.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi.

Happy holidays.

I’ve not tried the golden cursor yet, but it sounds interesting. My goal is to be able to use object navigation in all my favorite apps, word, outlook, etc. It’ll probably make navigating them much easier. It really is neat.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Yes!

That is why I love NVDA so much!

You can get to every element on the screen whether it be a toolbar, a button on the toolbar, or what ever!

It is beautiful to have the Golden cursor add-on to navigate with the mouse as well!

Go NVDA!

Have a great holiday everyone!

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I just like to say that I really like Nvda’s way of navigating objects. It is great to be able to press Nvda plus shift and the arrow keys to explore items on the screen I never thought were there. I am fascinated by how it works. It actually reminds me of how VoiceOver works on the Mac, but I don’t want to get in to that.

Anyway, it’s very cool.

Happy Holidays

 

 


Re: inserting emogies

Keao Wright <keaow@...>
 

Yes it was. It’s easy once you read the tutorial.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Yep. It said thumbs up musical notes. If that was the intended, then it worked. Now I need to learn it. LOL!

Merry Christmas all!

Travis

On 12/25/2018 8:12 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for this.

Lets see if this works!

👍🎶

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 4:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hi,

You’ll need Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Version 1709) or later in order to insert emojis.

There is a tutorial I wrote (featured on most recent Top Tech Tidbids) that goes over emoji panel and how it works, as well as what to expect in coming months with this feature:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/tutorial_all_about_emoji/28794447?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,20,28794447

Note that the tutorial tries to be screen reader agnostic but most of it applies to NVDA users. Don’t worry about the bit on Insider Preview changes to emoji panel – that’s in the future, and I have already written workarounds for it (part of an add-on, and plan to send the code to NV Access for inclusion in a future version of NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:41 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hello,

I know this was brought up before probably but how do you put in an emogie in a message or anything else using nvda?


Re: inserting emogies

Kwork
 

Yep. It said thumbs up musical notes. If that was the intended, then it worked. Now I need to learn it. LOL!

Merry Christmas all!

Travis

On 12/25/2018 8:12 AM, Keao Wright wrote:

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for this.

Lets see if this works!

👍🎶

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 4:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hi,

You’ll need Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Version 1709) or later in order to insert emojis.

There is a tutorial I wrote (featured on most recent Top Tech Tidbids) that goes over emoji panel and how it works, as well as what to expect in coming months with this feature:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/tutorial_all_about_emoji/28794447?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,20,28794447

Note that the tutorial tries to be screen reader agnostic but most of it applies to NVDA users. Don’t worry about the bit on Insider Preview changes to emoji panel – that’s in the future, and I have already written workarounds for it (part of an add-on, and plan to send the code to NV Access for inclusion in a future version of NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:41 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hello,

I know this was brought up before probably but how do you put in an emogie in a message or anything else using nvda?


Re: Fw: [espeak-ng] The UK £ sign

Marcia Yale
 

I wonder if the fact that the 1/2 symbol is not being processed properly is
part of this problem. The symbol is ½, and it's being spoken as "symbol bd"
instead of "one-half".

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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 12:18 PM
To: nvda@groups.io; NVDA screen reader development
Subject: [nvda] Fw: [espeak-ng] The UK £ sign

Hi folks, is this an error in the latest version of NVDAs defaults? Can I
change this and not muck other stuff up?
Brian

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To: <espeak-ng@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [espeak-ng] The UK £ sign


Hi Brian,

this is an issues in NVDA.
The puound £ sign it is included in dictionaries for the emoji on
espeak-ng.
NVDA 2018.4 doesn't uses emoji dictionaries from espeak-ng, these files
are removed during compiling NVDA.
As you know, NVDA 2018.4 includes all emoji and symbos from Unicode
Consortium, and the pound sign appears in the symbols list, but the
pronunciation level for this symbol should be changed in NVDA.

Probabily the sign Cents and euro present the same issue.

In speechPlayerInEspeak the problem not exists, the pound sign is in the
standard dictionary for english (EN_LIST).

Hope my explanation is clear.

Chris.

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I seem to be finding in Espeak NG as used in nvda it is only spoken when
its cursored past. IE not if a line or say all is used. Now iyt cannot
be a punctuation level issue as the old version of Espeak in Speech
player in Espeak when selected as tthe synth seems to be OK. Is it me or
what?
Brian

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Re: inserting emogies

 

Hi,

Yes, it worked.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 7:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for this.

Lets see if this works!

👍🎶

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 4:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hi,

You’ll need Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Version 1709) or later in order to insert emojis.

There is a tutorial I wrote (featured on most recent Top Tech Tidbids) that goes over emoji panel and how it works, as well as what to expect in coming months with this feature:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/tutorial_all_about_emoji/28794447?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,20,28794447

Note that the tutorial tries to be screen reader agnostic but most of it applies to NVDA users. Don’t worry about the bit on Insider Preview changes to emoji panel – that’s in the future, and I have already written workarounds for it (part of an add-on, and plan to send the code to NV Access for inclusion in a future version of NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:41 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hello,

I know this was brought up before probably but how do you put in an emogie in a message or anything else using nvda?


Re: inserting emogies

Keao Wright <keaow@...>
 

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for this.

Lets see if this works!

👍🎶

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 4:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hi,

You’ll need Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Version 1709) or later in order to insert emojis.

There is a tutorial I wrote (featured on most recent Top Tech Tidbids) that goes over emoji panel and how it works, as well as what to expect in coming months with this feature:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/tutorial_all_about_emoji/28794447?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,20,28794447

Note that the tutorial tries to be screen reader agnostic but most of it applies to NVDA users. Don’t worry about the bit on Insider Preview changes to emoji panel – that’s in the future, and I have already written workarounds for it (part of an add-on, and plan to send the code to NV Access for inclusion in a future version of NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:41 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] inserting emogies

 

Hello,

I know this was brought up before probably but how do you put in an emogie in a message or anything else using nvda?


Re: I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Gene
 

I don't use apps because I don't use versions of Windows newer than Windows 7.  But in standard applications, screen review, the equivalent of the JAWS cursor, can be more convenient and intuitive.  I don't know how many people following this thread use screen review but I think they both should be known.
 
Screen review is very easy to explain in terms of how you switch to it and use it and I will discuss it if people want to know.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

Hi,

As I said multiple times before, screen review won’t work in newer apps, but I do agree that in some cases, screen review is helpful for some tasks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

However, there are times when screen review provides access to the same things and is more convenient to use.  Object navigation can provide access to things at times that screen review can't. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi,

One important thing to remember: I recommend using object navigation for cases where you can’t navigate with a keyboard. Object navigation commands (and for that matter, Golden Cursor add-on) won’t replace the value of using keyboard commands (let’s not go into Golden Cursor add-on, as it is way different than object navigation). Part of what makes NvDA useful (or for that matter, any screen reader useful) is distinguishing when different methods are appropriate.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hi.

Happy holidays.

I’ve not tried the golden cursor yet, but it sounds interesting. My goal is to be able to use object navigation in all my favorite apps, word, outlook, etc. It’ll probably make navigating them much easier. It really is neat.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Yes!

That is why I love NVDA so much!

You can get to every element on the screen whether it be a toolbar, a button on the toolbar, or what ever!

It is beautiful to have the Golden cursor add-on to navigate with the mouse as well!

Go NVDA!

Have a great holiday everyone!

 

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From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 9:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I am really loving Nvda's object navigation

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I just like to say that I really like Nvda’s way of navigating objects. It is great to be able to press Nvda plus shift and the arrow keys to explore items on the screen I never thought were there. I am fascinated by how it works. It actually reminds me of how VoiceOver works on the Mac, but I don’t want to get in to that.

Anyway, it’s very cool.

Happy Holidays