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A World Series featuring releases of some star add-ons: Windows 10 App Essentials, Golden Cursor, SystrayList, StationPlaylist, ObjPad, Enhanced Touch Gestures #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

For resident baseball fans: I can’t believe I witnessed a historic moment last night: 7 hours of excitement and frustrations, ending with a walk-off home run at the bottom of the eighteenth inning at the World Series between Los Angeles Dodgers and Boston Red Sox.

 

But at least it gave me an excuse to prepare six add-ons to see the light of day:

 

  • Enhanced Touch gestures 18.11: brings localization updates.
  • Golden Cursor 3.2: localization updates and now compatible with NVDA 2018.3.
  • ObjPad 18.11: new and updated localizations.
  • StationPlaylist Studio 18.11: various issues with metadata streaming status announcement startup has been fixed.
  • SystrayList 3.0: Python 3 ready.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials 18.11: a lot of additions and fixes, some of them having to do with features from the next feature update (next year).

 

IMPORTANT NOTES:

  • Golden Cursor 3.x is the last release series to support Windows releases earlier than 7 Service Pack 1.
  • StationPlaylist 18.11 is for stable channel users, not LTS.
  • SystrayList 3.0 is now Python 3 compatible. Once NVDA  declares transition to Python 3, a final 3.x version will be released for people running Windows releases older than 7 Service Pack 1.
  • A version of Windows 10 App Essentials scheduled for December will be the last release to support Windows 10 Version 1709 (build 16299).

 

You can obtain new add-on releases via:

  1. Visiting addons.nvda-project.org and downloading each add-on release.
  2. For StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials, using add-on update feature provided by these add-ons.
  3. Checking for updates via Add-on Updater.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


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Hi all
Just a quick question, had anyone ever used zens web hosting or builder services? I have a job using zen and don’t know how accessible it is. Has anyone got any tips for it?
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Re: NVDA sound breaking up over bluetooth connection

Giles Turnbull
 

when I'm listening to an mp3 music album or a Blind Mice film there is no breakup in the audio at all. If I try to use NVDA speach at the same time then the speech breaks up very quicly. If there is no other audio stream playing then NVDA speach still breaks up.

I've only tried this with NVDA so far but I receive my first JAWS traning this evening so will see whether the same problem happens. For those wondering if I'm deserting NVDA for JAWS ... no I'm not! JAWS was offered to me and paid for by Student Finance so I decided to take advantage of the offer :)

I asked the speaker manufacturer for any suggestions and they suggested turning off system sounds ... which I did and nothing changed.

Giles


Re: In-Process for 26th October

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Its better than saying nothing. Sometimes in the shark these are also ambiguous, one suspects because the info exposed on what they do is incomplete and so one has to just indicate they are there to supposedly do something. I often wonder at the logic of page design when nobody knows quite what they will get when they use a control.
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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October


Hey Quentin,



I am replying to this e-mail after reading the last in-process.



For me at least, saying “clickable” does not help in deducting if I have to do it or not. In fact, most times “clickable” does not perform an action at all when pressing enter on it.



Regarding profiles, i am using profiles for MS Excel, MS Word, MS Outlook and Firefox. At work I am using profiles for SAP web based services because they have thousants of tables which in fact are only layout tables but NVDA recognize them as normal tables. So I have to use profiles to disable tables because otherwise I get crazy when navigating through the complex pages.



Windows 10 predictible text is a new function to me, but I find it more useful for tablests and smartfones. I don’t use it on normal keyboards. But I guess it is a very good feature for people with motoric disabilities.





Best

Adriani





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Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018 08:20
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Betreff: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October



Hi everyone,



This week's In-Process is out. Today, we have more information about the recently released NVDA 2018.3.2, a shout out to GlitchedVision for his innovative fundraiser, and not one but two quick tutorials - on Configuration Profiles, & Predictive Text in Windows 10. Enjoy!



https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-26th-october-2018/



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Re: I need a Web Content Management System that works well with NVDA

Kerryn Gunness
 

hi all
am still struggling abit with word press
in understanding how to use it
could someone contact me privately to assist me?
thanks
kerryn
k_gunness@yahoo.ca
is my email

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From:Geof Collis gcollis@nexicom.net [blindwebbers]
To:blindwebbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [BW] Gutenberg for WordPress

Hi Cindy

thanks for that video, he had more patience than I and the other
screen reader users on the test team had, I just gave up in
frustration and I consider myself a power screen reader user and WP developer.

on a positive note, on that link I sent someone mention that there
would be a "classic" version for us to fall back on.

sorry to hear about the violence, I would find it scary having a
family and not being able to see properly in a situation like that.

cheers

Geof
At 08:31 AM 10/22/2018, you wrote:
Thanks for that lead, Geof. I'm completely out of touch with all of
this right now k/t years of having to deal with extensive gang
violence in my neighborhood.

Your lead here also led to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Vavq4qZVM

The pointer on Rian's page says, "Eric Wright, who made an excellent
video on how difficult it is to use Gutenberg with Dragon
NaturallySpeaking."

I have to put it that way because I'm not able to... cough.. access
the video to verify its content. Ah, the irony... :)

Anyway, thanks again for that lead. I'll try to find ways to help push
these messages further out into the Net.

Cindy :)
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On 10/21/18, Geof Collis gcollis@nexicom.net [blindwebbers]
<blindwebbers@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
for anyone interested in the Gutenberg issue you
can read it at
https://rianrietveld.com/2018/10/09/i-have-resigned-the-wordpress-accessibility-team/

At 04:23 PM 10/21/2018, you wrote:


forced retirement?

On 2018-10-21 4:02 PM, Geof Collis
<mailto:gcollis@nexicom.net>gcollis@nexicom.net [blindwebbers] wrote:


doubt I'll be building any more themes. :O)

At 03:43 PM 10/21/2018, you wrote:

yeah. Not just the interface - once we all
figure that out, there's the files that make up the template!

Sandy

On 2018-10-21 3:21 PM, Geof Collis
<mailto:gcollis@nexicom.net>gcollis@nexicom.net [blindwebbers] wrote:


the new inhterface reminds me when I first tried
Drupal, I could not figure it out and was glad
there was WP, but if they move forward without
giving us the option of using the old interface
there is going to be some major learning curve
that might not even be possible.

At 03:16 PM 10/21/2018, you wrote:

I'm worried that making custom themes is going
to require a whole new skill set.

Sandy

On 2018-10-21 3:11 PM, Geof Collis
<mailto:gcollis@nexicom.net>gcollis@nexicom.net [blindwebbers]
wrote:


tell me about it!! LOL

thankfully it isn't my default browser.

Gutenberg sucks and it will make life difficult
for us screen reader users, I beta tested and no
one on the accessibility team liked it but
apparently they are moving forward with it anyway.
My team leader quit over its development.

At 02:24 PM 10/21/2018, you wrote:

good you could fix that!

How do you think Gutenberg for WordPress is going to effect you?

Sandy

On 2018-10-21 2:02 PM, Geof Collis
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wrote:


welcome!

I kind of screwed myself because I updated to the
latest version of FF and it was not compatible
with my version of JAWS and I lost all
functionality to use it, thankfully they let me
know and told me how to fix it so I am now using
FF 60 with extended release and all is back to
normal and your webpage still works the same as with 56.0

cheers

Geof

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Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I need a Web Content Management System that works well with NVDA


You install a program like Xampp on your local box to get a server in
place, then WordPress on top of that. Or, if you already have a
server, then just create a database & install Wordpress & CONNECT IT
TO THE DATABASE YOU CREATED.

On 10/11/18, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
I've looked at both www.drupal.org and www.wordpress.org . I found the
Wordpress website much easier to use and
understand. My main question is about installation. Wordpress must be
installed on the server. Does this mean that the
server does all the work, or is there a client program that I install on my
Windows 10 computer that takes care of the
details?

Thanks,
John

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:34:14PM -0700, Jackie wrote:
I think they're both excellent. Almost 30% of the net's websites use
WordPress, & I think that's because the learning curve for WordPress
is, I think, slightly less steep than w/Drupal.

On 10/9/18, Waqas Ramzan <waqasramzan596@gmail.com> wrote:
Drupal is your best bet. That's what my 3 years of experience says.

Sent On The Go, more details via laptop.


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Re: In-Process for 26th October

Adriani Botez
 

Hey Quentin,

 

I am replying to this e-mail after reading the last in-process.

 

For me at least, saying “clickable” does not help in deducting if I have to do it or not. In fact, most times “clickable” does not perform an action at all when pressing enter on it.

 

Regarding profiles, i am using profiles for MS Excel, MS Word, MS Outlook and Firefox. At work I am using profiles for SAP web based services because they have thousants of tables which in fact are only layout tables but NVDA recognize them as normal tables. So I have to use profiles to disable tables because otherwise I get crazy when navigating through the complex pages.

 

Windows 10 predictible text is a new function to me, but I find it more useful for tablests and smartfones. I don’t use it on normal keyboards. But I guess it is a very good feature for people with motoric disabilities.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Quentin Christensen
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018 08:20
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October

 

Hi everyone,

 

This week's In-Process is out. Today, we have more information about the recently released NVDA 2018.3.2, a shout out to GlitchedVision for his innovative fundraiser, and not one but two quick tutorials - on Configuration Profiles, & Predictive Text in Windows 10. Enjoy!

 

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

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Re: Pausing NVDA

Gene
 

You can manually set NVDA not to speak as you type.  But you will have to manually change the setting if you want the behavior to change.  NVDA key 2 on the main keyboard toggles speak typed characters on and off.  Numpad key 3 on the main keyboard toggles speak typed words on and off. 
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Pausing NVDA

Hello,

 

I sometimes would like to pause NVDA, and not have it resume speaking even if I begin typing again. I would like to stop it and start it purely at my discretion. The Shift key and the Control key both resume as soon as I start typing again. Is there a way to achieve the behavior I am looking for?


 


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Re: Pausing NVDA

Rick
 

Hello Rechell:

 

You could press NVDA+S. This will turn speech off. Pressing NVDA+S one more time will turn on beeps and one more time will return speech.

 

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pausing NVDA

 

Hello,

 

I sometimes would like to pause NVDA, and not have it resume speaking even if I begin typing again. I would like to stop it and start it purely at my discretion. The Shift key and the Control key both resume as soon as I start typing again. Is there a way to achieve the behavior I am looking for?


 

 

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Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

Hello,

 

I sometimes would like to pause NVDA, and not have it resume speaking even if I begin typing again. I would like to stop it and start it purely at my discretion. The Shift key and the Control key both resume as soon as I start typing again. Is there a way to achieve the behavior I am looking for?


 


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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Lenron
 

Thanks Travis was about to hit up amazon to see if I could find this
one. Woo for a keyboard where I could still get the context key. This
really helps with reaper and a could other programs where in some
cases shift f10 doesn't work.

On 10/25/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I love my insignia keyboard I got from best buy. It was $12. and it's
usb. It's a quite ice keyboard I just love to type on

On 25 Oct 2018, at 18:44, Travis Siegel wrote:

And, I forgot to mention, yes, it does have an applications key.



On 10/25/2018 9:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a
full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I
purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the
batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there,
but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs
cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's
quite a nice keyboard if you can find it.


On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote:
At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's
been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications
key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops
with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards
have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I
learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to
be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise
everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol!
Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

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It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes
and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair
amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in
these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many
people are
pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows
progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard
area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly
more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead
of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken,
based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict
between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into
a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on
the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more
than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach
people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it
is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that
gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen
reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that
fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including
the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do
for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to
become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and
offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to
master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly
means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an
external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native
laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see
from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is
there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

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Re: NVDA sound breaking up over bluetooth connection

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From the sound of it though, this seems to be as if the stream is actually cutting in and out and that other sounds leave the stream open.
One test to see if it is that is to have, say a low level audio track playing while nveda is running. Might also be worth testing to see if Narrator has the same issue. If any of the people with this problem have jaws or jaws demo, then try that too. If you find its just nvda and it does not matter what else is playing then its going to be nvdas stream handling. Do you have a Braille display connected via bluetooth?
I am told that newer hardware on bluetooth is supposed to be less laggy, but I really do not think that sounds like the problem, its more as if whenever the voltage crosses zero on a sound from nvda the blue tooth starts to assume the stream has ended, and then has to restart again.
The fact that its fine at the start might of course point to a buffering issue.

There are no blue tooth devices in my house so I cannot test it. I do have some speakers that can use bluetooth, but nothing with a transmitter. I believe some form of data compression is used over the link.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA sound breaking up over bluetooth connection


Hi, this is a general Bluetooth problem and it is not just NVDA related,
when you use speech on any device, whether it's a phone or tablet you hear
an awful lag with Bluetooth speakers and headsets, that's why I still try
and use a Usb connection or a headphone jack.
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Re: NVDA sound breaking up over bluetooth connection

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Hi, this is a general Bluetooth problem and it is not just NVDA related,
when you use speech on any device, whether it's a phone or tablet you hear
an awful lag with Bluetooth speakers and headsets, that's why I still try
and use a Usb connection or a headphone jack.
Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website:
http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/


Re: NVDA sound breaking up over bluetooth connection

luke scholey
 

I have exactly the same problem, but with Bluetooth headphones.
NVDA seems to be fine as long as there is some other sound in the background, however when it’s just NVDA coming through the headphones the sound breaks up until it’s unusable.
I’ve tried messing around with the Bluetooth sound profile, disabling enhancements and all that, nothing works.
I was using Apple AirPods and I’ve got an inspiron.
Lukep

On 26 Oct 2018, at 12:49, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I bought a pair of bluetooth speakers yesterday ... they are good quality hifi ones and play streamed music perfectly from my laptop. But NVDA voices break up to the point where it is not possible to listen via the speakers and my only option seems to be to turn the speaker off. It seems to happen with anything I'm using NVDA for (browsing or a file, typing an email or reading Facebook) and it seems to take about 3 minutes to reach that point.

Once the sound gets that bad, it becomes impossible to hear to navigate into Bluetooth settings to unconnect the speakers and drop back into the laptop's internal speaker. Turning the speakers off is the only way to cut the bluetooth connection and return to the laptop's internal speaker. Once I kill the connection by turning the speaker off, NVDA is speaking perfectly with no need to restart NVDA.

This happens whether I use eSpeak NG, Microsoft SAPI5 or Windows OneCore ... and I have tried several different voices in each synth and they all experience the same problem. When music is playing it will play a whole album without any trouble.

Does anybody have any ideas what might be happening and whether it can be sorted out?

NVDA 2018.3.2
Windows 10, 1803
Laptop: Dell Latitude
Bluetooth speakers: Ruark MR1

Thanks,

Giles


NVDA sound breaking up over bluetooth connection

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I bought a pair of bluetooth speakers yesterday ... they are good quality hifi ones and play streamed music perfectly from my laptop. But NVDA voices break up to the point where it is not possible to listen via the speakers and my only option seems to be to turn the speaker off. It seems to happen with anything I'm using NVDA for (browsing or a file, typing an email or reading Facebook) and it seems to take about 3 minutes to reach that point.

Once the sound gets that bad, it becomes impossible to hear to navigate into Bluetooth settings to unconnect the speakers and drop back into the laptop's internal speaker. Turning the speakers off is the only way to cut the bluetooth connection and return to the laptop's internal speaker. Once I kill the connection by turning the speaker off, NVDA is speaking perfectly with no need to restart NVDA.

This happens whether I use eSpeak NG, Microsoft SAPI5 or Windows OneCore ... and I have tried several different voices in each synth and they all experience the same problem. When music is playing it will play a whole album without any trouble.

Does anybody have any ideas what might be happening and whether it can be sorted out?

NVDA 2018.3.2
Windows 10, 1803
Laptop: Dell Latitude
Bluetooth speakers: Ruark MR1

Thanks,

Giles


Re: bug: nvda will not directly anounce deleted status of characters in outlook signin

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What do other browsers do on that log in? It would be particularly interesting to know if Waterfox is better, as I still believe there are issues with the new Firefox that can show up randomly on some machines.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] bug: nvda will not directly anounce deleted status of characters in outlook signin


hello,

I am using the sanpshot version of NVDA, and 64 bit firefox.


On 10/26/2018 4:53 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Do you mean the https://login.live.com/ page?

I just tried in Firefox 63.0 (the 64-bit version) and it reads when I
backspace or delete characters. If I delete a character with delete,
it reads the character that now has focus (if I delete the "h" in the
word "the" it would read "e"), but that's how it behaves everywhere.

Are you perhaps using a different version of Firefox (nightly or
32-bit), or have I misunderstood?

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:48 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com
<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>> wrote:

hi all,
So with the new version of firefox, nvda will no longer anounce the
deleted characters on the e-mail edit box of outlook signin. It is
necesary to shift tab and tab again to get it to anounce it. Can
anyone
replicate this on their machines.





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Re: Msoft Word and some docs in focus mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hi simply making it 200 percent rather than the default 100 per cent seems to fix it without any tweaking.
As you say a problem due to the resolution allowing too much on screen at once. I guess being blind I could lie and tell it I have a really bad screen.....
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Msoft Word and some docs in focus mode


Hello Brian:

The scenario you describe typically happens because, with today's high
resolution, wide-screen monitors, Word can display 2 pages side-by-side. If
this is the case, hitting down arrow on page 1 moves to page 3, and if the
document is only 2 pages long, it does nothing. Frankly, I think this is a
bad design choice for Microsoft.

To fix this, navigate to the status bar (by pressing F6). You may have to
hit F6 more than once if you have some other panes active. Once on the
status bar, press tab until you hear Zoom In. Press the spacebar several
times to zoom in, essentially changing the viewing size of a document. Press
tab one more time to find out the exact zoom level. I find that 130 to 140 %
will ensure that only a single page is displayed.

This should fix your situation. Now that only one page is displayed on the
screen, down and up arrow across page breaks should not skip pages.

Regards, Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Msoft Word and some docs in focus mode

Has anyone noticed that some Word docs when you encounter a page break,
either will not go past it, or seem to suddenly start reading the wrong
page, like skipping page 2 and starting page 3?
If you go into browse mode of course the navigation works fine again.
It can be a little annoying when editing text near the page break.
Most of these docs are in older Word template formats. Since I do not have
newer versions, it may well be that this is fixed there.
Just wondered if anyone else had come across this strangeness. Of course
not being to see it every time is a little bit annoying as its hard to
suggest how to duplicate it for any debugging. Its on the latest stable
though.
Brian

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Re: bug: nvda will not directly anounce deleted status of characters in outlook signin

Quentin Christensen
 

Ok, I just tried with the latest snapshot, alpha-16188,ceafcdd3 Thu Oct 25 00:49:18 2018 and it's able to read when I backspace or delete in the edit fields on the sign-in page.

Could you maybe send me a copy of your NVDA log?

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:56 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

also, it is on the live.com signin page



On 10/26/2018 4:53 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Do you mean the https://login.live.com/ page?

I just tried in Firefox 63.0 (the 64-bit version) and it reads when I backspace or delete characters.  If I delete a character with delete, it reads the character that now has focus (if I delete the "h" in the word "the" it would read "e"), but that's how it behaves everywhere.

Are you perhaps using a different version of Firefox (nightly or 32-bit), or have I misunderstood?

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:48 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
hi all,
So with the new version of firefox, nvda will no longer anounce the
deleted characters on the e-mail edit box of outlook signin. It is
necesary to shift tab and tab again to get it to anounce it. Can anyone
replicate this on their machines.





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In-Process for 26th October

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out. Today, we have more information about the recently released NVDA 2018.3.2, a shout out to GlitchedVision for his innovative fundraiser, and not one but two quick tutorials - on Configuration Profiles, & Predictive Text in Windows 10. Enjoy!


Regards

Quentin.
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Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Sarah k Alawami
 

I love my insignia keyboard I got from best buy. It was $12. and it's usb. It's a quite ice keyboard I just love to type on

On 25 Oct 2018, at 18:44, Travis Siegel wrote:

And, I forgot to mention, yes, it does have an applications key.

On 10/25/2018 9:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a > full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I > purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the > batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there, > but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs > cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's > quite a nice keyboard if you can find it. > > > On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote: >> At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's >> been >> driving me mad trying to find one. >> >> On 10/25/18, Gene gsasner@... wrote: >>> Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not? >>> >>> Gene >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Lenron >>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>> >>> >>> if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications >>> key >>> please let me know. >>> >>> On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena danieldamacena.ma@... wrote: >>>> I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying. >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Lenron >>>> Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45 >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>>> >>>> I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick >>>> with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops >>>> with >>>> the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards >>>> have >>>> decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore. >>>> >>>> On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami marrie12@... wrote: >>>>> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I >>>>> learn >>>>> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to >>>>> be >>>>> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise >>>>> everything >>>>> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! >>>>> Which >>>>> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha. >>>>> >>>>> Take care >>>>> >>>>> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes >>>>>> and if >>>>>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair >>>>>> amount of >>>>>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in >>>>>> these >>>>>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many >>>>>> people are >>>>>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an >>>>>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows >>>>>> progress in >>>>>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it. >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> >>>>>> bglists@... >>>>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>>>>> Please address personal E-mail to:- >>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >>>>>> in the display name field. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" >>>>>> joseph.lee22590@... >>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard >>>>>>> area on >>>>>>> laptop >>>>>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> sense >>>>>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead >>>>>>> of the >>>>>>> story >>>>>>> at the moment). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, >>>>>>> based >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict >>>>>>> between >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into >>>>>>> a new >>>>>>> screen >>>>>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> task at >>>>>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>> layout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> how to >>>>>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> better to >>>>>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that >>>>>>> gives >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen >>>>>>> reader >>>>>>> expert (or >>>>>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a >>>>>>> counsellor >>>>>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that >>>>>>> fits >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> given >>>>>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to >>>>>>> become a >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're >>>>>>> teaching; >>>>>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and >>>>>>> offer >>>>>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to >>>>>>> master (and >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews >>>>>>> within their >>>>>>> minds and souls). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly >>>>>>> means >>>>>>> to be an >>>>>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joseph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Rechell >>>>>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM >>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an >>>>>>> external >>>>>>> keyboard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native >>>>>>> laptop >>>>>>> keyboard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is >>>>>>> there nay >>>>>>> workaround or tips on this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rechell Schwartz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (212)919-3853 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>   _____ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any >>>>>>> attachments >>>>>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, >>>>>>> confidential, and >>>>>>> exempt >>>>>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this >>>>>>> message >>>>>>> is not >>>>>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, >>>>>>> dissemination, >>>>>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is >>>>>>> strictly >>>>>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please >>>>>>> notify >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> attachments. Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lenron Brown >>>> Cell: 985-271-2832 >>>> Skype: ron.brown762 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lenron Brown >>> Cell: 985-271-2832 >>> Skype: ron.brown762 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > >


Re: Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Sarah k Alawami
 

I agree there. Im used to it, but I don't have to like it lol!

On 25 Oct 2018, at 14:56, Daniel Damacena wrote:

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

 

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick

with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with

the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have

decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

 

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn

> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be

> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything

> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which

> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

> Take care

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if

>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of

>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these

>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are

>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an

>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in

>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

>> <joseph.lee22590@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>> 

>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on

>>> laptop

>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more

>>> sense

>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the

>>> story

>>> at the moment).

>>> 

>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based

>>> on

>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between

>>> an

>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new

>>> screen

>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the

>>> task at

>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than

>>> keyboard

>>> layout.

>>> 

>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people

>>> how to

>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is

>>> better to

>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives

>>> them

>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader

>>> expert (or

>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a

>>> counsellor

>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits

>>> the

>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the

>>> one

>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for

>>> given

>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a

>>> good

>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're

>>> teaching;

>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer

>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and

>>> even

>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews

>>> within their

>>> minds and souls).

>>> 

>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means

>>> to be an

>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> 

>>> Joseph

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell

>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io

>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hello,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from

>>> the

>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay

>>> workaround or tips on this?

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Thanks,

>>> 

>>> Rechell Schwartz

>>> 

>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

>>> 

>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX

>>> 

>>> (212)919-3853

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>>  _____

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any

>>> attachments

>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and

>>> exempt

>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message

>>> is not

>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,

>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly

>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify

>>> the

>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any

>>> attachments. Thank you.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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