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Re: rh-voice

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


Installed the addon and when I tried to select it after nvda restart it said it couldn't load the addontried to ins

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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] rh-voice

and the download link for the addon and voices is at

https://github.com/Olga-Yakovleva/RHVoice/wiki


Re: wonder vs. wander

Sarah k Alawami
 

Our choir director got on our cases as we all tended to sing "wonder" instead of wander. So "I wonder as I wanter" became, well, a mess. And I often tend to say "wander" as "wonder" and even in braille I would mis read it as "wand der" "short a as in and" My British accent tends to get in the way when I sing so yeah there you go.

On 18 Nov 2018, at 10:22, Gene wrote:

A pertinent question is why wander is incorrectly used.  Is it because those who do so don't read Braille, were blind since birth and didn't learn to spell well because they didn't read words?  And, further, does the accent spoken where people live who make this mistake contribute to it?  Is wonder spoken more like wander in those regions? 
 
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to
see so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time
to see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at
things, and simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're
curious about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the
universe and everything, but if you wander about such things, you may
never find your way back to your back yard, having being swept off into
galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.




ExpanDrive accessibility

Tony Malykh
 

Hi all,
Has anyone figured out if ExpanDrive can be used with NVDA?
ExpanDrive allows you to mount remote SSH and SFTP file systems
locally.
A quick check showed that NVDA doesn't see any controls in the main
window. If I try to use its command line version, it can only
mount/unmount, but you cannot configure new drives with it.

Best
Tony


Re: wonder vs. wander

Gene
 

In this case, I observed this error long before dictation software became common and its consistent, which wouldn't be expected to be the case with dictation software. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

My suspicion, and not just in this case, is that there is a widespread use of dictation (speech-to-text) software these days.  With words such as wonder and wander, when said in the flow of normal speech often sound remarkably similar, as the vowel gets what I call "schwa-ed".  Unless you're using dictation software that has some AI features where it looks at surrounding context before closing in on the actual word wanted you'll often get substitutions like this.

It seems to be far more common on certain forums than others, and if I'm being perfectly honest it's way more common on blind and low-vision forums than elsewhere.  Since most individuals I know personally do know how to spell (at least as well as anyone else I know) and do so when typing, I have to suspect dictation software is at play at least a decent part of the time.
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Re: rh-voice

Josh Kennedy
 

it does not have spyware. it's fine. 


Re: rh-voice

Josh Kennedy
 

and the download link for the addon and voices is at

https://github.com/Olga-Yakovleva/RHVoice/wiki


Re: rh-voice

Josh Kennedy
 

you have to install rh voice, then the english language pack, then the voices you want. 


Re: RH Voice

Josh Kennedy
 

you can get rh voice from this website.

https://github.com/Olga-Yakovleva/RHVoice/wiki


Re: wonder vs. wander

 

Well to be honest, I know while I generally try to spell right enough to save my rear and can do so, I get over confident at times with my typing speed and so things can get messed up and most of the time I catch it.

Now speech wize, because we use speech technology we heavily rely on it.

Thats good but since no synth can know every language or word and pronounciations can slightly differ from word to word the synth and its data are not always correct worse, depending on the program you use the spelling is not correct.

While a few programs quite a lot of those in fact use country spaciffic languages most don't especially if they are unicode or old.

The default national languages are us and uk and while thats fine as a basis for language itself english wize, there are differences to spelling.

Its why I turn auto correct spell and gramma off where I can.

In fact in chrome, when filling out an email address, at some point, I will get a message that I have spelt something wrong because it thinks I am writing a sentence.

And while in office and some other programs like windows its gotten a lot better of late, there was a time not to long ago when I was in school at least back in 1998 where I was always failing because I spelt things wrongly.

I had relied on my computer spellchecker to fix words I didn't know and to check spelling but it was in us and always was in us language unless you manually changed it.

This trend went on as far as office 2010, with some change in 2013, in office 2016 you can change languages but things usually work.

Then there is a way a word is pronounced, it can be spelt wrong but sound fine or it can be spelt fine and sound wrong.

Next speech synths in general are not good with language switching, try to type a word in german on any synth that is more than a couple years old and maybe some of them still exist try to type a word in maori, german or anything other than your native language and if its not switched to that dictionary its not going to get it right neither will your spell checker.

Now with the way the cloud and the multi language thing works we seem to be able to get things on the fly a lot better.

Even if you have the automatic switches off if it finds something in another language it will usually try to speak it right, of course the voice could be an issue if you don't understand or have never heard that word before but my point is at least it tries.

One thing that I have found a slight disapointment is the availability of all languages in synths, espeak has come close to include a lot more varients than most.

However in my old realspeak, even though I am on uk some us vouls and pronouncements make it in  even in australian and I suspect that not everything got translated right and this is a high quality voice we are talking about now.

Even with all this set, there are no dialect synths for some countries, new zealand for example hasn't got one, maori hasn't got one, I don't give a damn about the maori language but if principal is to be believed then we really need synths that handle every language and we still don't.

So if I type a maori placename in a document, its never going to come out right because no language for it.

We use australian language because its the closest to us for the most part and its fine even then that uses the uk language set.

Point is we blind people are not bad spellers, our stuff is, as we get more data it will get better and with the cloud thats only going to improve but its never going to be perfect.

Eventually maybe once we get enough of them we can use braille to but maybe by then we will be able to no longer be blind anymore even so, it would be nice to get everything like my reader speaking in my own language just because is all.

And its not just the blind we rely a lot on spell checkers, automatic updaters, security programs, and a lot of things with their own rulesets.

If it goes we freak out big time, but your technology or whatever tool is only as good as its data set and thats a fact.

Its not crap if it screws up, sadly, not many people keep the datasets as updated as we should.

We spend time trying to stop x program stuffing up a lot more than trying to make sure the data works, even if it all worked we would still have issues.

People talk about the ai take over apocolipse thing.

It won't be the robots messing up, we will probably mess up first because of a glitch we  from something we rely on and freak.

Look at the news for example, facebook went down yesterday and its now the end of the world.

Take the net down and the world will end all right.

On 11/19/2018 7:41 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
My suspicion, and not just in this case, is that there is a widespread use of dictation (speech-to-text) software these days.  With words such as wonder and wander, when said in the flow of normal speech often sound remarkably similar, as the vowel gets what I call " schwa ( https://onelook.com/?w=schwa&ls=a ) -ed".  Unless you're using dictation software that has some AI features where it looks at surrounding context before closing in on the actual word wanted you'll often get substitutions like this.

It seems to be far more common on certain forums than others, and if I'm being perfectly honest it's way more common on blind and low-vision forums than elsewhere.  Since most individuals I know personally do know how to spell (at least as well as anyone else I know) and do so when typing, I have to suspect dictation software is at play at least a decent part of the time.
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Re: wonder vs. wander

 

Don't know where the "blind and visually impaired" in front of the "individuals I know personally" went in that last message, but it disappeared.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: wonder vs. wander

 

My suspicion, and not just in this case, is that there is a widespread use of dictation (speech-to-text) software these days.  With words such as wonder and wander, when said in the flow of normal speech often sound remarkably similar, as the vowel gets what I call "schwa-ed".  Unless you're using dictation software that has some AI features where it looks at surrounding context before closing in on the actual word wanted you'll often get substitutions like this.

It seems to be far more common on certain forums than others, and if I'm being perfectly honest it's way more common on blind and low-vision forums than elsewhere.  Since most individuals I know personally do know how to spell (at least as well as anyone else I know) and do so when typing, I have to suspect dictation software is at play at least a decent part of the time.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Reading Charts

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


the closest i can find is this add on but is more for a excel sheet and not a image. A screen reader if it has the ocr function may be able to ocr information but it is more for pulling text out of the image.

The link to this add on is https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/AudioChart.en.html

I have not used it so do not know apart from what i read it does.


Gene nz


On 18/11/2018 9:56 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
Hi,

Can anyone tell me if NVDA can read charts, the reason why I ask is 
because I can send reports and charts from my blood glucose machine to 
my laptop.

Thank you in advance.

Stephen





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Re: vlc app

JM Casey
 

I don't think there is a VlC list, but I believe Video lan does have a forum. You could try signing up to that.

BTW, you got a response from Sarah about Android; are you asking about an Android app or VLC on the PC? You did mention NVDA....

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: November 17, 2018 5:13 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] vlc app

I downloaded VLC, and also installed the VLC app for NVDA. Does any one know if there is a list for asking questions about VLC? Thanks in advance.


Re: wonder vs. wander

Gene
 

A pertinent question is why wander is incorrectly used.  Is it because those who do so don't read Braille, were blind since birth and didn't learn to spell well because they didn't read words?  And, further, does the accent spoken where people live who make this mistake contribute to it?  Is wonder spoken more like wander in those regions? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to
see so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time
to see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at
things, and simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're
curious about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the
universe and everything, but if you wander about such things, you may
never find your way back to your back yard, having being swept off into
galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.




Re: Reading PDFs in Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

 

I don’t think I ever came across the problem that you mentioned. If you are using the 2019 version of Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, you can try what I did, which is downgrading to the 2018 version and disable automatic updates.

On 18 Nov 2018, at 17:18, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:

The problem I have with adobe pdf reader is the fact that I can't move backwards through the file. If I miss a sentence or something, and want to go back and see what it said, I can't do that, because it jumps back to the beginning of the file. As a result, I just ignore pdf files when possible, and convert them to something else when not. I don't use pdf unless absolutely necessary, and these days, it's seldom necessary.




wonder vs. wander

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to see what's going on around you.  You wander around, looking at things, and simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious about something.  Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too, especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.


Re: Reading PDFs in Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The problem I have with adobe pdf reader is the fact that I can't move backwards through the file.  If I miss a sentence or something, and want to go back and see what it said, I can't do that, because it jumps back to the beginning of the file.  As a result, I just ignore pdf files when possible, and convert them to something else when not.  I don't use pdf unless absolutely necessary, and these days, it's seldom necessary.


Re: Reading Charts

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi Gene,

Thank you for the response.

I am sending the reports from my mobile to my laptop and wanted to see if there was a way for my laptop to read them out to me because at the moment I have my wife reading the data from the charts to me.

Not to worry, thank you.


Stephen


18/11/2018 14:09, Gene wrote:

No screen-reader can read images.  There is no written text to read.  Maybe you could use OCR to make the charts readable for a screen-reader but if accuracy matters, I have no idea how accurately the numbers would be rendered and you would have to check numbers that look wrong or not routine. 
 
But I don't understand the question.  You said you want to send the charts.  Aren't you sending them to a sighted person?  Why does it matter if NVDA can read them?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:04 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Charts

My apologies I should have mentioned that the charts are sent as images.


Regards

Stephen


On 18/11/2018 08:56, Stephen Costigan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me if NVDA can read charts, the reason why I ask is
> because I can send reports and charts from my blood glucose machine to
> my laptop.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Ccleaner the sequal

Gene
 

As I recall, the portable version of CCleaner is usually behind the installed version in when the company issues updates.  It's nothing to do with portable apps itself. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ccleaner the sequal

This is great news! I wonder why the portable apps version has not updated yet. I was hoping portable apps would pass the latest updates through like it does all the other apps but it hasn't done so for this ever since I got it. Meh, I'll just watch the list and grab an update when it suits me.


Re: Can't always blame NVDA

Gene
 

I'll see if I can find the Kim Komando article discussing this. 
 
I found it.
 
As you will see if you read the entire article and not just the how to delay updates section, there is ample reason to delay updates.
 
Gene
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can't always blame NVDA

How does one go about delaying an update. Windows 10 updates are automatic. I came to my machines and found a mess.

John

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 11:41:51PM -0600, Gene wrote:
> Kim Komando, because of all the problems with the latest full update, advises people not to install the update earlier than it is offered to you and even then, to defer it if you can until it is clear that it is advisable to install it.  You can't put it off indefinitely, but there are ways to delay it.
>
> Microsoft originally  released this update obviously when it wasn't ready, and the same with the last full update.  I hope that, instead of people chomping at the bit to try the new full updates, that they wait to see if Microsoft has released a good update in future.  Of course, if someone wants to see what the latest is like and be a guinea pig, a beta tester after beta testing should no longer be necessary, that's fine, but for those who aren't in that category and who want dependability and reliability, I would always wait.  Even in the past, before Windows 10, people were advised to wait after a new version of Windows came out before adopting it.  Even with proper care, there are always going to be problems with a complex piece of software like this.  But the last two full updates have more and more serious problems than properly tested software should.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John J. Boyer
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 10:26 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Can't always blame NVDA
>
>
> Microsoft has caused a lot of trouble with their updates. One of the latest turned off Bluetooth on my laptop computer,
> so i couldn't get Braille output. My computer maintenance organization had to remote in and turn it bck on. My desktop
> machine was also behaving strangely after a recent update. I couldn't get any Braille output until I turned it off with
> the power button and then back on. Three boos for Microsoft.
>
> John
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> > This week my computer became really unresponsive to key presses. It
> > was right after a Windows 10 update, so I was blaming some sort of
> > incompatibility between W10 & NVDA. I was going to roll it back, but
> > for some reason I decided to do another test first & plugged a USB
> > keyboard into my laptop. Guess what? All the unresponsiveness
> > disappeared! Just goes to show sometimes that events surrounding
> > things like unresponsiveness, ie, such as an update, may be purely
> > coincidental & merely serve to throw a smoke screen. Troubleshooting
> > can be a real b-word, & I guess it's just best to keep all the
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> > Just sharing an experience on a Saturday in hopes it might help
> > someone on their troubleshooting journey.
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