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Re: Browse mode and focus

Gene
 

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA review doesn't. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
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From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


> Hello Marcio,
> I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
> automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
> changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
> on the same page?
> Best,
> Felix
>
> Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
> <marcinhorj21@...>:
>>
>> Hello,
>> You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA
>> Menu (NVDA+N).
>> Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or
>> something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not
>> using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Cheers,
>> Marcio
>> ________________________________
>> Where to find me:
>> My Yahoo! email
>> Add me on Skype
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>> Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:
>>
>> Hello list,
>> I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
>> cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
>> instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
>> as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
>> whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
>> unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
>> cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
>> few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
>> changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
>> The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
>> reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
>> browser.
>> If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
>> in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
>> then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
>> but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
>> All the best,
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Browse mode and focus

Gene
 

I don't know what you are describing as focus changes.  Some web pages cause something to happen when the mouse is moved and, correspondingly, when you move in browse mode, but I haven't run across many pages where moving in browse mode causes changes in a web page.  If you are asking how to read a page while leaving the browse mode cursor where it is and using screen review, there may be ways to allow screen review to see the content of the page.  It has been so long since this has been discussed here that I don't remember details.  I'm not sure what you are trying to do but at times, since I'm using a slow computer often, much slower than it should be for efficient Internet use, I select an entire page, copy it to the clipboard and paste into Notepad for reading or looking for what I want.  If I don't intend to follow more links to get to the content I want, this works well.  I have much faster computers but for various reasons, I use this slow one most of the time.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21@...>:
>
> Hello,
> You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA Menu (NVDA+N).
> Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.
>
> ________________________________
> Cheers,
> Marcio
> ________________________________
> Where to find me:
> My Yahoo! email
> Add me on Skype
> Follow me on Twitter
> Follow or add me on Facebook
> Ask me something on CuriousCat
> ________________________________
> Phone(s):
> (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
> ________________________________
> My WhatsApp
> ________________________________
> Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:
>
> Hello list,
> I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
> cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
> instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
> as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
> whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
> unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
> cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
> few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
> changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
> The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
> reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
> browser.
> If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
> in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
> then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
> but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Browse mode and focus

Gene
 

You can't navigate with web sites properly and not be in browse mode in screen-readers that use browse mode, which is the Windows screen-reader standard now.  One thing that may help is to turn off the automatic switching between browse mode and forms mode.  I consider having this as the default, that is automatic switching, to be a very bad mistake.
 
Aside from turning off the automatic switching feature, which shouldn't affect the speed of moving through a document but will keep automatic switching from occurring when you don't want it to, you are assuming the problem is the browse cursor and only that.  There are sites where the browse cursor and coding on the page slows movement. 
But if you are asking how to browse with browse mode off, that isn't practical and no provision is made for it.  Also, I'm not sure what you mean by focus.  Browse mode allows you to work with a web page as though a cursor is there, but it really isn't.  I'm not sure what you are asking for in terms of focus but the virtual cursor used in browse mode is where it is.  Asking for some sort of decoupling is like asking if you can move around in Wordpad and not have the application cursor move.  It isn't possible unless you aren't actually moving, but just using screen review. 
 
You may be able to reduce the problem by using more than one browser.  Some browsers are faster on some web pages when used with screen-readers than others. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix



Re: Browse mode and focus

Felix G.
 

Hi Brian and list,
sure, here is some more background regarding what I am observing:
As you are aware, both screen readers populate virtual buffers with
the contents of a web page, and whenever something on the page
dynamically changes, those buffers are updated to reflect the change.
So in theory, we can scroll quickly through the virtual copy without
the screen reader's having to constantly query the original by means
of some inter-process communication combined with code injection.
In practice, however, NVDA will send focus events as the user moves
the virtual cursor. So for example, when you arrow to a link, behind
the scenes NVDA will send a focus event for that link to the browser.
This has two advantages: First, the browser window will scroll such
that the link becomes visible if it hasn't been visible already. And
second, if the user chooses to switch to focus mode, they will find
that focus is exactly where they expect it to be, namely, where the
virtual cursor was.
The disadvantages of this approach are also twofold: First, when
scrolling quickly through the virtual buffer, a lot of these focus
events will be fired, resulting in a busy browser, often amounting to
a busy system. If the browser handles these events asynchronously,
NVDA will find it hard to associate them with the corresponding user
actions, with two possible results: a) NVDA will sometimes bounce back
in the virtual buffer as if drawn back by a rubber band; b) NVDA may
suddenly switch to focus mode as it falsely assumes a focus change
occurred on behalf of the website when in truth it occurred on behalf
of the user. Second, objects on web pages may see these focus events
as invitations to do something, such as play a video, or pop out a
text field for leaving a comment, as frequently witnessed on Facebook.
In this way users may find themselves interacting when all they wanted
was to read the page.
In summary, having focus follow the browse mode cursor makes it easier
for sighted and blind users to colaborate at the same screen, and also
makes the transition from browse mode to focus mode more graceful, at
the cost of some speed loss and unpredictability. Such an equilibrium
of pros and cons would seem to call for an option. I suggest the
following:
Have a check box called "System focus follows browse mode cursor" in
the browse mode preferences. This should be on by default. When it is
on, behavior is as implemented right now. When it is off, system focus
should not automatically follow the browse mode cursor, but when
switching to focus mode, focus should be given to the focusable object
closest to the browse mode cursor.
Let's discuss.
Best,
Felix

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Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
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Marcio
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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix









Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

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Nope that did not work either, Joseph?
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?


Yes the strange thing is that this works in the run box. It works if prefaced by the word start in a command line box, but fails in a batch file. IE it leaves them turned on. I do not quite get why this fails.
Most command line stuff works, so there has to be some reason why its not parsing the -- bit after the command.

I may try it in quotes when I have time in case its being truncated.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?


If what you're asking for is a way to have NVDA restarted without
add-ons enabled, then try this:

1. Windows+R
2. Type "nvda --disable-addons" (without the quotes)
3. Spell the command above character by character so you won't miss any
part of it.

Hth

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Em 21/12/2018 01:46, Lino Morales escreveu:

Hi is their another way? I don�t have NVDA set to give me the options
to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the
sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

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Re: Browse mode and focus

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Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you need to have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not everyone has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

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From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix






Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Chris Mullins
 

Try copying the NVDA shortcut on your desktop, and call the new one NVDA-NA or something, then edit the command and add the “--disable-addons”  parameter.  Then set up a different shortcut key combination.  You can then restart without add-ons at anytime and all you have to remember is the alternative shortcut.      

 

Chris  

 

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Sent: 21 December 2018 03:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Sounds good, but I won’t remember that since I don’t run command line things. I suggest a menu item to be put into NVDA add-on updater to disable all add-ons. What say you list?

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:51:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Hi,
Yes via the following command-line text as exactly as shown (from Run dialog):

nvda -r --disable-addons

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Hi is their another way? I don’t have NVDA set to give me the options to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

 

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Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

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Yes the strange thing is that this works in the run box. It works if prefaced by the word start in a command line box, but fails in a batch file. IE it leaves them turned on. I do not quite get why this fails.
Most command line stuff works, so there has to be some reason why its not parsing the -- bit after the command.

I may try it in quotes when I have time in case its being truncated.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?


If what you're asking for is a way to have NVDA restarted without
add-ons enabled, then try this:

1. Windows+R
2. Type "nvda --disable-addons" (without the quotes)
3. Spell the command above character by character so you won't miss any
part of it.

Hth

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Cheers,
Marcio

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Em 21/12/2018 01:46, Lino Morales escreveu:

Hi is their another way? I don�t have NVDA set to give me the options
to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the
sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

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Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

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Erm, That seems not to be working when I put in a batch file Joseph.
It restarts, but the add ons still work.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?


Hi,
Yes via the following command-line text as exactly as shown (from Run
dialog):

nvda -r --disable-addons

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't
know about?



Hi is their another way? I don't have NVDA set to give me the options to
disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the sound
and bam its closed. Thanks.



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10








Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

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Not tried this, but why not write it into a batch file in notepad with the word exit on the next line, then shove the batch file on the desktop called something like addons off.bat.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?


why not open your word processor of choice, copy and paste joseph's
instructions in there, and save the document, giving it a title you'll
recognize later as being what you're looking for? that way, you won't
have to remember the instructions in full. I never remember command
lines, but if someone gives me instructions using them, I write them
down for when I might need them later on. I'm not techy by nature, but
I've found a lot of information just by reading the messages on this
list and taking note of those messages with information I might find
useful someday, even if it's not something I need right now. Needless to
say, I'm very thankful and grateful for Notepad! :)

Annette

On 12/20/2018 9:54 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Sounds good, but I won’t remember that since I don’t run command line
things. I suggest a menu item to be put into NVDA add-on updater to
disable all add-ons. What say you list?

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Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:51:32 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that
I don't know about?

Hi,
Yes via the following command-line text as exactly as shown (from Run
dialog):

nvda -r --disable-addons

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Lino
Morales
*Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I
don't know about?

Hi is their another way? I don’t have NVDA set to give me the options
to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the
sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

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Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

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If there was of course it would need to restart nvda in any case two simply allow the options on exit would allow one to do this. I guess if you really wanted to, then you could have a short cut but how much time would it save since you would be rebooting nvda anyway to make the changes.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?


I agree Gene. I think this option should be in the tools and prefences under add-ons. Their should be a menu item their to disable all.

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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:19:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

It may not be enough work to worry about to add this option, but why should a screen-reader accommodate a user in such trifles. It really isn't unreasonable to change the setting when you want to be able to do this.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Sounds good, but I won’t remember that since I don’t run command line things. I suggest a menu item to be put into NVDA add-on updater to disable all add-ons. What say you list?

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Hi,
Yes via the following command-line text as exactly as shown (from Run dialog):
nvda -r --disable-addons
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Hi is their another way? I don’t have NVDA set to give me the options to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

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Re: switching synthesizers or speech engines on the fly?

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Is this add on being maintained as it will surely break soon if not, indeed I have more add ons in use here that complain on alpha than do not at the moment. It would be nice to actually know how much of this is due to the manifest changes and how much due to the code. I amy do some tests with this as time goes on, manually altering the manifest and see if they crash or fail in nvda as we get nearer the next release as at the moment running alpha builds is a real pain as no matter how often I say to allow them and confirm the next time its still asking.
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] switching synthesizers or speech engines on the fly?


Try switch synth. It's easier to use than that method if you switch often.

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/switchSynth.en.html

On 12/20/2018 3:29 PM, P. Otter wrote:
yes it is possible.
use ctrl plus nvda key plus s.
then you can use another synthesizer if installed!
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-12-2018 om 00:13 schreef Curtis Delzer:
Is there a way or hot key or add-on which enables NVDA to switch to
another "available" synthesizer on demand?
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Re: I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates

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Some less good disc clean up programs have been known to mess with those files, but I've not encountered it recently, unless it might have been part of that windows update issue where files went missing last month in which case there could be other messed up applications and files on the computer. Might be worth checking that as well.
I have a friend who found Acronis trashed his hard drive when simply running his usual task for backing p to another drive.
That turned out to be missing or corrupted files due to a windows 10 update.

I do not know the details but he had to use the recover program from the makers of ccleaner to get some photos back and then reformat and reinstall everything again.
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates


Hi,

I’m not sure of the original cause of this, but sounds like something happened when installing some add-ons that caused manifest to disappear from some reason.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Sounds like fun. Were you and the team able to trace the cause of this so that it does not happen toother people some how?

On 20 Dec 2018, at 19:27, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

The problem was traced to incomplete add-on install – somehow, add-on manifest is missing for some add-ons Molly installed. Fixing this will require manually removing the affected add-ons via File Explorer and reinstalling the affected packages.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Hi. Add on updater is showing up in the manage add ons dialogue. Shall I send the log to the email address that is listed with the add on updater?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Hi,

No, don’t reinstall NvDA just yet, as I’d like to see what the log says. Also, just to really make sure, is Add-on Updater showing up in add-ons manager (NvDA Menu/Tools/Manage add-ons)?

Cheers,

Joseph



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Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Hi.

The add on updater is not one of the categories in the nvda settings. I checked. I’ll try to send you the log. Just, wondering, if I perhaps reinstalled nvda, could that possibly fix things? For whatever reason this problem only occurs on one of my machines… the one I currently am so annoyed at right now.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Hi Molly and others,

Okay, let’s go over one thing at a time:

Add-on Updater problem: another way to find out if the add-on is working is:

1. Go to NvDA menu/Preferences/Settings.
2. See if Add-on Updater is one of the categories.

If Add-on Updater is one of the categories, then I’d like to know what’s up. If not, I also would like to know what’s going on.

NVDA log: typically, when people talk about NVDA log, it refers to a text file where NVDA records information as it runs. The fastest way to open this “file” is pressing NVDA+F1.

Add-on issues and logs: whenever an issue with an add-on shows up, unless if it’s an issue I know exactly what’s going on, I always ask people to restart with add-ons disabled. Then once the problem is confirmed, I sometimes ask people to restart with add-ons enabled and ask folks to send the log to developers (me included). Typically, if an add-on that provides visible user interface services (adding items to NVDA menu and its submenus) is installed but that interface doesn’t show up (such as Add-on Updater in your case), I always ask people to send the log to developers for analysis. As Add-on Updater is my add-on, I’d like to request just that – please send the entire log to me in private (press NVDA+F1, copy everything, and paste it as an email to me privately).

About Windows Insider Program: testing new features is not really the top reason for existence of Windows Insider Program; rather, the program is meant to gather feedback from testers before features ship to the rest of the world. This is the reason why Microsoft reminds people every week (or almost every week) that Insider Preview builds are not stable, and features can come and go without notice.

Molly, you’re not alone in stating that you became a Windows Insider because you’re excited about trying out new goodies here and there; you’re not the first, nor will be the last person to go through this phase (trust me, I heard similar stories in the last four years – I became a Windows Insider shortly after it was first announced in September 2014). But as beta software (or rather, an operating system going through constant flux), trying out new things has its drawbacks too, namely unstable releases from time to time. Specifically, if you have signed up to receive at least one build a week (fast and skip ahead rings, which I think is what you’ve done), you’re bound to encounter issues frequently, hence you’re encouraged to submit feedback as early as possible. If you want stability but still want to remain a Windows Insider, I recommend either going with slow ring, or opt into release preview ring (the former will give you builds known to be more stable than fast ring; the latter will not upgrade you to the next big update until it is nearly ready for the public). If you want strict stability and can’t afford to lose productivity (in other words, feel uncomfortable with living on the edge now), then perhaps Windows Insider Program might not be right for you.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Well I joined the insider program because I wanted to check out new windows features before they are released. It was great at first. But then I received one unstable build after another. I even had to do a system restore because windows failed to load properly. I’m going to opt out of the insider program right now. I can’t deal with all these problems and honestly, I don’t have time to test beta software. What was I thinking?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Why did you decide to be in the insider program? That is asking for bugs and problems and is intended for those who want to test unreleased versions of Windows for problems. It is something like beta testing but I'm not sure if the code you are testing is even considered beta yet.



Gene

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Well I’m starting to really dislike this laptop lately. Life was a lot less complicated when it worked properly.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Governor staten
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



NVDA key+n, t for tools, then press a twice. You then press enter. That will definitely do the trick.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
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Subject: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates



Hey guys, Molly here again.

So I have the add on updater installed on my pc. Where do I go to check for add on updates? Thanks.


Re: Browse mode and focus

Felix G.
 

Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

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Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix






Re: I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates

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Which version of nvda is on the laptop?
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on updates


Thanks. My other machine has the check for add on update option in the nvda
tools menu, but on this laptop that option is not there. I don't know why.

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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I can't find where in nvda I can check for add on
updates



Go to the NVDA Menu (NVDA+N)
Search for Tools
Enter on it and up arrow til check for add-on updates, which you probably
will need to do just once.
You can, of course, down arrow until you find this option, but particularly
I prefer this� other one I said.



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Em 20/12/2018 20:25, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

So I have the add on updater installed on my pc. Where do I go to check for
add on updates? Thanks.


Re: Some add-ons fail to install/work under NVDA 2018.4

 

Hello Joseph,

Thanks for your assistance. I gave the instructions to my friend and he said that after following them, the problem is now fixed and he was able to make the add-ons work.

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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 19.12.2018 г. в 16:37, Joseph Lee написа:

Hi,

In case of Emoticons add-on, it might be that something is holding onto manifest file somehow, thus preventing package deletion.

As for config file error: might be caused by nvda.ini becoming corrupt.

In both cases, I advise:

  1. Log off the computer (not restart).
  2. Log back in.
  3. Download and install the add-ons in question manually.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Some add-ons fail to install/work under NVDA 2018.4

 

Hello all,

A friend of mine has reported to me a problem with his copy of NVDA 2018.4. Some add-ons fail to install/work under this version of NVDA. It is an installed copy of NVDA. He sent me the log file. I can see some errors about the "Emoticons" (v9.0 if I'm not mistaking) and "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-ons, but I don't understand what the errors mean. I'm pasting his log file here, in case someone can help us to solve this issue.

Thanks much in advance!

Here's the log:

INFO - _main_ (13:20:43.529):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (13:20:43.802):
Config dir: C:\Users\kalin\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:20:43.802):
Loading config: C:\Users\kalin\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (13:20:43.921):
NVDA version 2018.4
INFO - core.main (13:20:43.921):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (13:20:43.921):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (13:20:43.921):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (13:20:43.921):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
ERROR - addonHandler.completePendingAddonInstalls (13:20:43.933):
Failed to complete addon installation for emoticons
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "addonHandler.pyo", line 89, in completePendingAddonInstalls
WindowsError: [Error 183] Cannot create a file when that file already exists
ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (13:20:43.940):
Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\kalin\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\emoticons
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "addonHandler.pyo", line 163, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath
File "addonHandler.pyo", line 226, in _init_
File "addonHandler.pyo", line 561, in _init_
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1199, in _init_
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1292, in _load
ParseError: Invalid line (u'\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00') (matched as neither section nor keyword) at line 1.
ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (13:20:43.944):
Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\kalin\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "addonHandler.pyo", line 163, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath
File "addonHandler.pyo", line 226, in _init_
File "addonHandler.pyo", line 561, in _init_
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1199, in _init_
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1292, in _load
ParseError: Invalid line (u'\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00') (matched as neither section nor keyword) at line 1.
WARNING - stdout (13:20:44.332):
hooked waveOutOpen
WARNING - stdout (13:20:44.332):
hooked waveOutClose
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:20:44.572):
Loaded synthDriver sapi5
INFO - core.main (13:20:44.855):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:20:44.855):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (13:20:44.861):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:20:44.865):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (13:20:44.930):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:20:44.944):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (13:20:46.591):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (13:22:24.211):
error executing event: mouseMove on <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x05F4B390> with extra args of {'y': 384, 'x': 683}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 92, in _init_
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 930, in event_mouseMove
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 152, in expand
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'rindex'

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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: Clock Addon doesn't save settings, nor does f12 work for time and date

Chris
 

Yeah, same here, went back to the dev version and that works fine, so somethings happened between the dev and stable releases

 

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 21 December 2018 00:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Clock Addon doesn't save settings, nor does f12 work for time and date

 

Anyone of you guys have the latest Clock AddOn_ because f12 doesn’t say either the time or date, but it does report upon the 3rd press, the number of the day in the year, and how many days are left to the end of the year.

Also when setting up the AddON from within NVDA menú/Preferences/Options/clock settings, when it comes time to sabe the settings, they don’t appear to sabe< when I want to reopen again NVDA menú to check the settings, I get an error that tnere’s already a Settings dialogue open< to close it first before attemtping to go back into the NVDA settings área. Any ideas what might be going on?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

 


Re: Browse mode and focus

 

Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at the NVDA Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change or something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm not using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix






Browse mode and focus

Felix G.
 

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements. With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix


Re: Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

Annette Moore
 

why not open your word processor of choice, copy and paste joseph's instructions in there, and save the document, giving it a title you'll recognize later as being what you're looking for? that way, you won't have to remember the instructions in full. I never remember command lines, but if someone gives me instructions using them, I write them down for when I might need them later on. I'm not techy by nature, but I've found a lot of information just by reading the messages on this list and taking note of those messages with information I might find useful someday, even if it's not something I need right now. Needless to say, I'm very thankful and grateful for Notepad! :)

Annette

On 12/20/2018 9:54 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Sounds good, but I won’t remember that since I don’t run command line things. I suggest a menu item to be put into NVDA add-on updater to disable all add-ons. What say you list?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:51:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?
 

Hi,
Yes via the following command-line text as exactly as shown (from Run dialog):

nvda -r --disable-addons

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is their another way to disable all add-ons that I don't know about?

 

Hi is their another way? I don’t have NVDA set to give me the options to disable all add-ons when I close NVDA cause I just want to hear the sound and bam its closed. Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10