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Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

                I didn’t make the elequice I just shared the link to the person offering it.  I think it was Joeseph the nvda moderator that caught it he might have seen it before!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

 

hi kevin,

how did they catch you when you made the illegal eloquence? In other words what exactly caused you to get in trouble? you can email me about this off list at joshknnd1982@...  ... since this is now getting off topic. thanks. 

 


Re: FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

 

thanks gene for your clarification.
when i open one email and want to reply, i just press e and nvda says
edit multiline.
then i write my message and press tab and enter on send button.

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not talking about sending a message directly. You replied to a comment
Brian made and replied to me, as though I made the comment. You don't
usually do this. I made my comment because you did this time. My comment
may not matter since you don't do this regularly. it may just be a one time
mistake.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 6:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


as i told before, i dont know how to send message for someone directly,
and write my messages in a way that my audiance can knows, i call him or
her.

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
please check to see who sent you messages. You are replying to me from a
message sent by Brian.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


gene,
firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!

On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
updates. I'm not saying its as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've
visited

and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and
some

writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions
for
Firefox

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

Yeah, but when I bought elequice I had three licenses after that ordeal I now have two!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

 

Normaly, you just need to go to the reactivation dialog, and if

necessary, enter your code and activate...

If you receive the message no more activations, ask CodeFactory to reset

the number of activations...

 

Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

 

Às 02:31 de 15/11/2018, Kevin escreveu:

> I activated elequece the nvda addon, it worked fine, then I updated nvda

> about a month later, code factory was still there but the activation

> reset and said I needed to activate it.  I’m not the only one with this

> issue other nvda users have had this problem.

>

> E-mail is golden!!!

> Kevin Lee

>

> *From: *Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@...>

> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:51 AM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

>

> Sorry, but wich one you bought?

>

> The NVDA addon or the SAPI5 version?

>

> Did you try to change the NVDA synth?

>

> Rui

>

> Às 12:46 de 14/11/2018, Kevin escreveu:

>

>  > I bought one for NVDA AND WHEN I updated MVDA eloquence voice went away,

>

>  > NVDA went back to espeech!

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>  >

>

>  > E-mail is golden!!!

>

>  > Kevin Lee

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>  > *From: *Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@...>

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>  > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 14, 2018 3:13 AM

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>  > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

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>  > *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

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>  > Yes, it is a CodeFactory product sold by my company...

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>  > Rui Fontes

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>  > Tiflotecnia, Lda.

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>  > Às 02:28 de 14/11/2018, Kevin escreveu:

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>  >  > That’s with code factory correct?  You have to buy it correct?

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>  >  > *From: *Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@...>

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>  >  > *Sent: *Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:24 AM

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>  >  > Eloquence have a SAPI5 version, and as that, it is available for all

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Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

hi kevin,

how did they catch you when you made the illegal eloquence? In other words what exactly caused you to get in trouble? you can email me about this off list at joshknnd1982@...  ... since this is now getting off topic. thanks. 


Re: FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Gene
 

I'm not talking about sending a message directly.  You replied to a comment Brian made and replied to me, as though I made the comment.  You don't usually do this.  I made my comment because you did this time.  My comment may not matter since you don't do this regularly.  it may just be a one time mistake. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

as i told before, i dont know how to send message for someone directly,
and write my messages in a way that my audiance can knows, i call him or her.

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> please check to see who sent you messages.  You are replying to me from a
> message sent by Brian.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:24 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article
>
>
> gene,
> firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
> dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!
>
> On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
>>  I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
>> audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
>> updates. I'm not saying its  as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
>> rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've
>> visited
>>
>> and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and
>> some
>>
>> writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions
>> for
>> Firefox
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...>
>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article
>>
>>
>> Hello Group,
>>
>> There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
>> per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
>> came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
>> hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
>> If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
>> • Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
>> Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
>> performance.
>> • Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
>> but may encounter some issues.
>> • The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
>> due to switch to Quantum in September.
>> • NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
>> people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
>> their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
>> or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
>> well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
>> The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
>> version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
>> you expect them to.
>> If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
>> to bring it to your attention.
>> My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
>> take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
>> couple years ago.
>>
>> --
>> David Russell
>> david.sonofhashem@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Problems with github

Gene
 

It is a cliché of support staff that whenever a problem is reported and someone is using an older version of whatever is being discussed, that the staff member will recommend updating whether that has anything to do with the problem or not.  I tried the link you discussed with Chrome and Firefox and nothing happened.  These were with older versions of the programs but it shouldn't matter, based on both your and Shawn's reports.  We now have three reports of the link not working properly.  This is a problem with the site, regardless of what the support person says.  You might tell the support person that you now have three reports of the link not working and asking the person to try it and see what happens.  Have you tried this on other tickets to make sure this isn't just a problem with this one?  I would suggest doing that first, then continuing the discussion.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with github

i reported to github support and they told that github no longer
supports older firefox!
but i told them that i did not have this problem last week.
i did not understand there message completely, because my english is
not 100% perfect, but they wanted me to install firefox new version
and give them feedback!

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I'm sending this message with a new subject line because, for some reason,
> this message under the old subject line appears not to be reaching the
> list.
>
> Gene
>
> After seeing Shawn's message and playing with the site, this appears to be a
> site problem.  You may want to report it to the site.
>
> I'm sorry if I misspelled Shawn.  I didn't keep the message and can't check
> the spelling.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

 

as i told before, i dont know how to send message for someone directly,
and write my messages in a way that my audiance can knows, i call him or her.

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
please check to see who sent you messages. You are replying to me from a
message sent by Brian.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


gene,
firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!

On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
updates. I'm not saying its as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've
visited

and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and
some

writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions
for
Firefox

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Problems with github

 

i reported to github support and they told that github no longer
supports older firefox!
but i told them that i did not have this problem last week.
i did not understand there message completely, because my english is
not 100% perfect, but they wanted me to install firefox new version
and give them feedback!

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sending this message with a new subject line because, for some reason,
this message under the old subject line appears not to be reaching the
list.

Gene

After seeing Shawn's message and playing with the site, this appears to be a
site problem. You may want to report it to the site.

I'm sorry if I misspelled Shawn. I didn't keep the message and can't check
the spelling.

Gene



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Problems with github

Gene
 

I'm sending this message with a new subject line because, for some reason, this message under the old subject line appears not to be reaching the list.
 
Gene
 
After seeing Shawn's message and playing with the site, this appears to be a site problem.  You may want to report it to the site.
 
I'm sorry if I misspelled Shawn.  I didn't keep the message and can't check the spelling.
 
Gene


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

For some reason, this message appears not to be reaching the list.  If it has, then I'm sorry for the multiple copies.
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

After seeing Shawn's message and playing with the site, this appears to be a site problem.  You may want to report it to the site.
 
I'm sorry if I misspelled Shawn.  I didn't keep the message and can't check the spelling.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Your version of Firefox, may no longer be supported by the site.  Or it may be that you are using the site with JAVA script support turned off.  Many pages will have limited or very little functionality if JAVA scripts are off.
 
If using the site with JAVA script on doesn't solve the problem, using a newer Firefox portable version for the site should do so. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

hi shaun.
can you please test for me working github with old engine firefox or waterfox?
for example: when i open
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/milestone/42
and i press h many times to go to the position that nvda says:
nvda 2018.4
and go down until nvda says:
77 closed and press enter on it, nothing happen!
it means that i cant follow nvda progress, new features, changes and
bug fixes anymore on github!
also, when i sign in to my account and wish to edit my written
comments, i cant edit them and editing does not work for me.
whenever i open github, nvda says that the version of my firefox is
not up to date and github does not support older versions of firefox
anymore!
i did not have such problems last week.

On 11/15/18, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io <isepic@...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, Waterfox will be based on ESR releases so it will get
> Quantum at some point.
> https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future
>
>      I really do like Waterfox. However, I don't want the Quantum stuff
> because every time I've attempted to use it, it seems slower and more
> unstable than what Firefox used to be without Quantum.
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

After seeing Shawn's message and playing with the site, this appears to be a site problem.  You may want to report it to the site.
 
I'm sorry if I misspelled Shawn.  I didn't keep the message and can't check the spelling.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Your version of Firefox, may no longer be supported by the site.  Or it may be that you are using the site with JAVA script support turned off.  Many pages will have limited or very little functionality if JAVA scripts are off.
 
If using the site with JAVA script on doesn't solve the problem, using a newer Firefox portable version for the site should do so. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

hi shaun.
can you please test for me working github with old engine firefox or waterfox?
for example: when i open
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/milestone/42
and i press h many times to go to the position that nvda says:
nvda 2018.4
and go down until nvda says:
77 closed and press enter on it, nothing happen!
it means that i cant follow nvda progress, new features, changes and
bug fixes anymore on github!
also, when i sign in to my account and wish to edit my written
comments, i cant edit them and editing does not work for me.
whenever i open github, nvda says that the version of my firefox is
not up to date and github does not support older versions of firefox
anymore!
i did not have such problems last week.

On 11/15/18, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io <isepic@...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, Waterfox will be based on ESR releases so it will get
> Quantum at some point.
> https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future
>
>      I really do like Waterfox. However, I don't want the Quantum stuff
> because every time I've attempted to use it, it seems slower and more
> unstable than what Firefox used to be without Quantum.
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: FireFox and Other Browsers

Gene
 

You can run it but it doesn't run in XP.  I tested Quantum with Firefox 13 and it works properly using Windows 7.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers

gene,\
do you mean that firefox quantum is compatible with old versions of
nvda even versions 2013?
i became very happy when i heard it from you, thanks so much, God
bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you!

On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> I have windows 7, and find Jaws slower than Nvda on Quantum, but I tend t9o
>
> use waterfox most of the time still, as it seems less prone to show me
> adverts.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers
>
>
> I now as of 2 weeks ago use both NVDA and JAWS 2019 with FF 63. I get a
> better response with FF with JAWS. Still slow with NVDA. As far as the
> overall accessibility I have no problems. Now I know the extensions have
> been discussed. Not sure what works and what doesn’t work under quantum.
> Currently for this reason I’m not running any extentions or add-ons.
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 10
>
> ________________________________
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten
>
> <govsta@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 10:22:01 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers
>
>
> I'm using Firefox 63.0.1, and have very little trouble with it. I'm using
> Windows 10 with latest updates. I"m using NVDA latest alpha, if that
> matters.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> On 11/14/2018 8:50 AM, David Russell wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
>
> In response to the posts by Gene, it is my understanding that FireFox
> 63 is not all that readily user-friendly for totally blind persons
> using a screen reader. I do not understand the reasons. I have been
> recommended to switch to Google Chrome and say bye-bye to FireFox as
> it is easily hacked and the changes made are seen as disastrous. That
> from an acquaintance who earns their living doing tech support. As to
> 'accessibility' if you can find articles from Intopia or Webaim that
> relate to FireFox and such, that may be your best bet. Each
> organization is heavy into accessibility interest.
>
> If I follow through with this recommend, Do I need mouse clicks to
> open GMail attachments if using Chrome as my primary browser?
> And, is Thunderbird compatible with Chrome?
>
> Of note, I found in a dated NVDA post from 2017 that Sophos was
> recommended as an Anti-virus program. In an attempt to download, it
> would not complete on my end and was said to be corrupt. Be careful
> with that one if considering Sophos. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Gene
 

please check to see who sent you messages.  You are replying to me from a message sent by Brian.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

gene,
firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!

On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
>  I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
> audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
> updates. I'm not saying its  as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
> rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've visited
>
> and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and some
>
> writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions for
> Firefox
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> Please address personal E-mail to:-
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...>
> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
> Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
> per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
> came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
> hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
> If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
> • Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
> Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
> performance.
> • Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
> but may encounter some issues.
> • The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
> due to switch to Quantum in September.
> • NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
> people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
> their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
> or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
> well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
> The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
> version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
> you expect them to.
> If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
> to bring it to your attention.
> My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
> take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
> couple years ago.
>
> --
> David Russell
> david.sonofhashem@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: FireFox and Other Browsers

 

gene,\
do you mean that firefox quantum is compatible with old versions of
nvda even versions 2013?
i became very happy when i heard it from you, thanks so much, God
bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you!

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I have windows 7, and find Jaws slower than Nvda on Quantum, but I tend t9o

use waterfox most of the time still, as it seems less prone to show me
adverts.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers


I now as of 2 weeks ago use both NVDA and JAWS 2019 with FF 63. I get a
better response with FF with JAWS. Still slow with NVDA. As far as the
overall accessibility I have no problems. Now I know the extensions have
been discussed. Not sure what works and what doesn’t work under quantum.
Currently for this reason I’m not running any extentions or add-ons.

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10

________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten

<govsta@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 10:22:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers


I'm using Firefox 63.0.1, and have very little trouble with it. I'm using
Windows 10 with latest updates. I"m using NVDA latest alpha, if that
matters.



________________________________


On 11/14/2018 8:50 AM, David Russell wrote:

Hello Group,

In response to the posts by Gene, it is my understanding that FireFox
63 is not all that readily user-friendly for totally blind persons
using a screen reader. I do not understand the reasons. I have been
recommended to switch to Google Chrome and say bye-bye to FireFox as
it is easily hacked and the changes made are seen as disastrous. That
from an acquaintance who earns their living doing tech support. As to
'accessibility' if you can find articles from Intopia or Webaim that
relate to FireFox and such, that may be your best bet. Each
organization is heavy into accessibility interest.

If I follow through with this recommend, Do I need mouse clicks to
open GMail attachments if using Chrome as my primary browser?
And, is Thunderbird compatible with Chrome?

Of note, I found in a dated NVDA post from 2017 that Sophos was
recommended as an Anti-virus program. In an attempt to download, it
would not complete on my end and was said to be corrupt. Be careful
with that one if considering Sophos. Thanks.












--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

 

gene,
firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!

On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
updates. I'm not saying its as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've visited

and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and some

writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions for
Firefox

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

 

gene,
in previous years, github worked for me properly even with javascript disabled.
after some months, it did not work without javascript and when i want
to follow nvda changes, send comment or edit my previous written
comments, temporarily i enabled javascript for github and after
finishing my work, i disabled it again.
but in this week, no matter javascript enabled or not, following and
reading nvda milestone and also editing my written comments,
unfortunately dont work for me!
and i recieve message for that firefox is not updated.

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
After seeing Shawn's (spelling) I no longer have the message to check
spelling, and playing with the site, this seems to be a site problem. It
appears there is nothing to do but report it to whomever is appropriate at
the site.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


Your version of Firefox, may no longer be supported by the site. Or it may
be that you are using the site with JAVA script support turned off. Many
pages will have limited or very little functionality if JAVA scripts are
off.

If using the site with JAVA script on doesn't solve the problem, using a
newer Firefox portable version for the site should do so.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


hi shaun.
can you please test for me working github with old engine firefox or
waterfox?
for example: when i open
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/milestone/42
and i press h many times to go to the position that nvda says:
nvda 2018.4
and go down until nvda says:
77 closed and press enter on it, nothing happen!
it means that i cant follow nvda progress, new features, changes and
bug fixes anymore on github!
also, when i sign in to my account and wish to edit my written
comments, i cant edit them and editing does not work for me.
whenever i open github, nvda says that the version of my firefox is
not up to date and github does not support older versions of firefox
anymore!
i did not have such problems last week.

On 11/15/18, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io <isepic=lavabit.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Unfortunately, Waterfox will be based on ESR releases so it will get
Quantum at some point.
https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future

I really do like Waterfox. However, I don't want the Quantum stuff
because every time I've attempted to use it, it seems slower and more
unstable than what Firefox used to be without Quantum.






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Normaly, you just need to go to the reactivation dialog, and if necessary, enter your code and activate...
If you receive the message no more activations, ask CodeFactory to reset the number of activations...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 02:31 de 15/11/2018, Kevin escreveu:

I activated elequece the nvda addon, it worked fine, then I updated nvda about a month later, code factory was still there but the activation reset and said I needed to activate it.  I’m not the only one with this issue other nvda users have had this problem.
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
*From: *Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:51 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA
Sorry, but wich one you bought?
The NVDA addon or the SAPI5 version?
Did you try to change the NVDA synth?
Rui
Às 12:46 de 14/11/2018, Kevin escreveu:

> I bought one for NVDA AND WHEN I updated MVDA eloquence voice went away,

> NVDA went back to espeech!

>

> E-mail is golden!!!

> Kevin Lee

>

> *From: *Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>

> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 14, 2018 3:13 AM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

>

> Yes, it is a CodeFactory product sold by my company...

>

> Rui Fontes

>

> Tiflotecnia, Lda.

>

> Às 02:28 de 14/11/2018, Kevin escreveu:

>

>  > That’s with code factory correct?  You have to buy it correct?

>

>  >

>

>  > E-mail is golden!!!

>

>  > Kevin Lee

>

>  >

>

>  > *From: *Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>

>

>  > *Sent: *Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:24 AM

>

>  > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>

>  > *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

>

>  >

>

>  > Sorry, let me rephrase that...

>

>  >

>

>  > Eloquence have a SAPI5 version, and as that, it is available for all

>

>  >

>

>  > applications...

>

>  >

>

>  > It does not come with any flavour of Windows operative system...

>

>  >

>

>  > Rui Fontes

>

>  >

>

>  > Às 14:59 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

>

>  >

>

>  >  > I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI

>

>  >

>

>  >  > version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long

> ago.)

>

>  >

>

>  >  > This is very helpful so thank you.

>

>  >

>

>  >  >

>

>  >

>

>  >

>

>


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

After seeing Shawn's message and playing with the site, this appears to be a site problem.  You may want to report it to the site.
 
I'm sorry if I misspelled Shawn.  I didn't keep the message and can't check the spelling.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Your version of Firefox, may no longer be supported by the site.  Or it may be that you are using the site with JAVA script support turned off.  Many pages will have limited or very little functionality if JAVA scripts are off.
 
If using the site with JAVA script on doesn't solve the problem, using a newer Firefox portable version for the site should do so. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

hi shaun.
can you please test for me working github with old engine firefox or waterfox?
for example: when i open
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/milestone/42
and i press h many times to go to the position that nvda says:
nvda 2018.4
and go down until nvda says:
77 closed and press enter on it, nothing happen!
it means that i cant follow nvda progress, new features, changes and
bug fixes anymore on github!
also, when i sign in to my account and wish to edit my written
comments, i cant edit them and editing does not work for me.
whenever i open github, nvda says that the version of my firefox is
not up to date and github does not support older versions of firefox
anymore!
i did not have such problems last week.

On 11/15/18, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io <isepic@...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, Waterfox will be based on ESR releases so it will get
> Quantum at some point.
> https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future
>
>      I really do like Waterfox. However, I don't want the Quantum stuff
> because every time I've attempted to use it, it seems slower and more
> unstable than what Firefox used to be without Quantum.
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

After seeing Shawn's (spelling) I no longer have the message to check spelling, and playing with the site, this seems to be a site problem.  It appears there is nothing to do but report it to whomever is appropriate at the site. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Your version of Firefox, may no longer be supported by the site.  Or it may be that you are using the site with JAVA script support turned off.  Many pages will have limited or very little functionality if JAVA scripts are off.
 
If using the site with JAVA script on doesn't solve the problem, using a newer Firefox portable version for the site should do so. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

hi shaun.
can you please test for me working github with old engine firefox or waterfox?
for example: when i open
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/milestone/42
and i press h many times to go to the position that nvda says:
nvda 2018.4
and go down until nvda says:
77 closed and press enter on it, nothing happen!
it means that i cant follow nvda progress, new features, changes and
bug fixes anymore on github!
also, when i sign in to my account and wish to edit my written
comments, i cant edit them and editing does not work for me.
whenever i open github, nvda says that the version of my firefox is
not up to date and github does not support older versions of firefox
anymore!
i did not have such problems last week.

On 11/15/18, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io <isepic@...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, Waterfox will be based on ESR releases so it will get
> Quantum at some point.
> https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future
>
>      I really do like Waterfox. However, I don't want the Quantum stuff
> because every time I've attempted to use it, it seems slower and more
> unstable than what Firefox used to be without Quantum.
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

Support continues until 2020.  I'll consider doing so as support draws to a close but the only reason I would do it is so I can look at new versions of NVDA.  That would solve my curiosity but when I want to use the other program, on rare occasions, I wouldn't be able to.  It would be a minor inconvenience, but it would be one, nonetheless. 
 
As I said, I almost never use it online so it makes little difference if it is updated.
 
But your comment about not being able to update after support ends is a consideration worth pointing out.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

If you do not do it soon Windows 7 will be end of life and then you won't be
able to install it. to be honest I've never found anybody have problems with
it. Its the standard install and has been for many years now.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


There is an update but I don't like it as muchh.  Though I seldom use it, I
want it just in case.  I'm also not restricting myself in any way.  I almost
always use the computer offline, using it online only rarely perhaps for
Youtube or while on vacation for browsing and e-mail.  That being the case,
I'd rather leave it as it is.  I don't think I'd have any problems with
Service Pack 1, but for my purposes, it works flawlessly and I don't want to
taike even minor risks of problems for no advantage that means anything.

One of these days, I may get curious enough about the new NVDA interface
that I install Service Pack 1 but that hasn't happened yet.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 5:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


You will have to have service pack 1 for most software updates to windows 7.
Are you sure that the program you are talking about does not have an update
to run on windows 7sp1? As you say, you are restricting yourself to loss of
many things while attempting to preserve just one. What is this software?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


I've seen occasional comments about add-ons being unusable in Firefox Chrome
by blind users.  I had hoped that there would be improvbement in time but
today, I tried to run Noscript and found it completely inaccessible.  I am
not using a recent version of NVDA but I doubt that matters.  If it does,
I'd like to know.  If the lack of access to these and other add-ons is as
extremely poor, nonexistent, to call it what it is, that I experienced
today, where does one report such matters or try to get something to be
done?

I did a Google searche for something like add-ons not accessible Quantum
Chrome and a few other searches but I didn't find one relevant result.  I
didn't even find messages from user discussion pages I would have thought
likely to show up in results.

So I have two questions:
Are things as bad as they seem, complete inaccessibility for add-ons, and is
any of this improved when using newer versions of NVDA?  I can't use recent
versions because none of my machines support them.  I could make my Windows
7 machine support them by installing Service Pack 1, but I'd lose access to
a program that is dconvenient to have now and then.  I also almost never use
that machine online.

Gene