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Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

Your version of Firefox, may no longer be supported by the site.  Or it may be that you are using the site with JAVA script support turned off.  Many pages will have limited or very little functionality if JAVA scripts are off.
 
If using the site with JAVA script on doesn't solve the problem, using a newer Firefox portable version for the site should do so. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

hi shaun.
can you please test for me working github with old engine firefox or waterfox?
for example: when i open
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/milestone/42
and i press h many times to go to the position that nvda says:
nvda 2018.4
and go down until nvda says:
77 closed and press enter on it, nothing happen!
it means that i cant follow nvda progress, new features, changes and
bug fixes anymore on github!
also, when i sign in to my account and wish to edit my written
comments, i cant edit them and editing does not work for me.
whenever i open github, nvda says that the version of my firefox is
not up to date and github does not support older versions of firefox
anymore!
i did not have such problems last week.

On 11/15/18, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io <isepic@...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, Waterfox will be based on ESR releases so it will get
> Quantum at some point.
> https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future
>
>      I really do like Waterfox. However, I don't want the Quantum stuff
> because every time I've attempted to use it, it seems slower and more
> unstable than what Firefox used to be without Quantum.
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: How to Skip Ahead to Text With NVDA

Gene
 

Use the screen-reader's search function to search for a distinctive word in the sentence or around the sentence you are looking for.  Or if there isn't a distinctive word, search for one that doesn't appear much on the page.  If you are using the default NVDA layout, the search command is insert control f.  It searches from your current location down the page.  If you need to repeat the search, the command is insert f3.  You can use either insert.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Skip Ahead to Text With NVDA

I am a sighted software developer who needs to test various parts of web pages for accessibility. So for example, after I test paragraph #1 on the web page I may want to jump around and test paragraph #19 without having to traverse each paragraph in between. I am looking for the most efficient way to do this for web pages.


Re: Windows updated and NVDA is now much more responsive

Gary Metzler
 

Hi All,

My update went well and it is working great.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows updated and NVDA is now much more responsive

Well I am not up in the numbers, but those with the most recent windows 10 are also seemingly amazed at the much better speed in Narrator. Comments are, its like a complete rewrite, a different animal and uses keys more familiar to nvda and Jaws users too.
Obviously, I cannot comment myself being a ludite.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Beaver" <dbeaver888@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows updated and NVDA is now much more responsive


Hi,




My system just updated and NVDA now seems much more responsive. Not sure
why...




OS Name   Microsoft Windows 10 Home  Â
Version   10.0.17134 Build 17134  Â





Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else has been noticing
responsiveness issues as I have.







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Re: NVDA is slow with Outlook

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Is it any better if you temporarily install the alpha build from the snapshots page?
There do seem to have been a number of problems with Outlook for most screenreaders lately, probably due to the changing face of Outlook itself.
Myself, I find it very much a slow bit of software, but I'm not running 10, and dread the day when I need to rely on it over my old faithful Outlook Express hack for windows 7.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 7:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA is slow with Outlook


Hello all,
I am trying to set up a new laptop for my work, and I encountered a
few problems with Outlook. One of the problems is that NVDA reacts to
keystrokes with a delay. For example, in the list of messages when I
press up or down, I only hear NVDA speaks the next/previous message
after a second. I am aware of preview pane and I have disabled it, so
that's not an issue. I have also disabled preview of messages directly
in the messages list.
Another problem is that occasionally the entire Outlook app enters a
weird state where I cannot read anything - standard navigations
command don't work. Up/Down, Tab or F6 does nothing. However, if I
restart NVDA, then it's working again.
Does anyone have any idea what's going on and how to fix it?

I tried narrator and it works much better - at least it responds to my
keystrokes almost instantly.

I'm running latest NVDA, latest Windows 10 and latest Outlook. I
disabled all the add-ons. This is a brand new laptop. It's got plenty
of CPU and memory, so this is not a hardware issue.

Best
Tony


Re: NVDA VS. Eset

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Not sure, but half the problem with companies is that many use jobbing programmers or contract work out and seemingly nobody knows much about accessibility so you end up with parts that work and parts that do not and the so called helpdesks have no idea or control other than to report it as a bug.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ján Kulik" <jan.kulik.szsle@outlook.sk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 12:07 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA VS. Eset


hi all, I can not ask the question NVDA and Eset. I recently installed the trial version of Eset Internet Security. Of course, after I installed and checked the whole computer, I found NVDA to report the word (unknown), only when I was moving taboo and still talking to me (unknown). Of course, I also turned to Eset LTD. There, one e-mail worker wrote to me that they were more or less addressing the navigation problem with JAWS. Do you think you tried to contact Eset, LTD, and I believe that one of the workers did not answer it, just as if nothing.


have a nice day!


Re: Windows updated and NVDA is now much more responsive

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Well I am not up in the numbers, but those with the most recent windows 10 are also seemingly amazed at the much better speed in Narrator. Comments are, its like a complete rewrite, a different animal and uses keys more familiar to nvda and Jaws users too.
Obviously, I cannot comment myself being a ludite.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows updated and NVDA is now much more responsive


Hi,




My system just updated and NVDA now seems much more responsive. Not sure why...




OS Name   Microsoft Windows 10 Home  Â
Version   10.0.17134 Build 17134  Â





Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else has been noticing responsiveness issues as I have.







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Re: FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

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So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security updates. I'm not saying its as secure as Quantum as it uses the old rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've visited and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and some writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions for Firefox

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

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Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

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Yes if you run that tool and it works, then please report back here.I have a nasty suspicion there is one thing it fails to fix, probably caused by uninstalling avast and affecting certain dialogues, but its hard to pin such things down.
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To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 6:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any browser.


Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803 laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.


Re: addon updater

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Yes, I did correct some of those errors in the source but some are beyond what I understand, so left well alone.

I like this add on as it can allow me to understand screen layout having been sighted I value this info, also on some apps its good as you can turn off the voice announce and merely use the noise.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] addon updater


Hi,



I deleted the log content (over a megabyte in size).

As far as I can tell, there is no single entry regarding Add-on Updater;
instead, it is filled with event execution error coming from Audio Themes 3D
add-on.

Because the add-ons community lost contact with author of Audio Themes 3D
add-on (or this person is not responding), it appears we need to create a
community-based patch for this add-on, similar to what I did with Remote
add-on a few months ago. I'll bring this up with add-ons community this
weekend.

Cheers,

joseph




Re: FireFox and Other Browsers

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I have windows 7, and find Jaws slower than Nvda on Quantum, but I tend t9o use waterfox most of the time still, as it seems less prone to show me adverts.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers


I now as of 2 weeks ago use both NVDA and JAWS 2019 with FF 63. I get a better response with FF with JAWS. Still slow with NVDA. As far as the overall accessibility I have no problems. Now I know the extensions have been discussed. Not sure what works and what doesn’t work under quantum. Currently for this reason I’m not running any extentions or add-ons.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 10:22:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers


I'm using Firefox 63.0.1, and have very little trouble with it. I'm using Windows 10 with latest updates. I"m using NVDA latest alpha, if that matters.



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On 11/14/2018 8:50 AM, David Russell wrote:

Hello Group,

In response to the posts by Gene, it is my understanding that FireFox
63 is not all that readily user-friendly for totally blind persons
using a screen reader. I do not understand the reasons. I have been
recommended to switch to Google Chrome and say bye-bye to FireFox as
it is easily hacked and the changes made are seen as disastrous. That
from an acquaintance who earns their living doing tech support. As to
'accessibility' if you can find articles from Intopia or Webaim that
relate to FireFox and such, that may be your best bet. Each
organization is heavy into accessibility interest.

If I follow through with this recommend, Do I need mouse clicks to
open GMail attachments if using Chrome as my primary browser?
And, is Thunderbird compatible with Chrome?

Of note, I found in a dated NVDA post from 2017 that Sophos was
recommended as an Anti-virus program. In an attempt to download, it
would not complete on my end and was said to be corrupt. Be careful
with that one if considering Sophos. Thanks.


Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers

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I can completely agree about web design, and its not just us. I often overhear conversations by sighted people who wonder why web sites that were easy to understand are changed like fashion items every few months making them have to figure out what to do all over again. Are we not or should we not be over the whizz bang fascination and well into the functionality part of using the web nowadays? It seems as if they shot the messenger.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Crary" <JCrary@rcc.mass.edu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers


I use internet explorer and sometimes will switch temporarly to firefox if explorer is giving me trouble. I have never only used one dedicated web browser.

At the same time, I use my Iphone for some browsing and online services, as the rendering in IOS with voice over loads much more quickly and with much more accessibility than in a browser form on a desktop or laptop computer. For example, NVDA and going thorugh paypal on a desktop or laptop is a bit more cumbersome than when I grab my Iphone and send money by paypal thorugh safari.

I miss the good old days of awful and boring web sites that were all basic html.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:51 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers

Hello Group,

In response to the posts by Gene, it is my understanding that FireFox
63 is not all that readily user-friendly for totally blind persons using a screen reader. I do not understand the reasons. I have been recommended to switch to Google Chrome and say bye-bye to FireFox as it is easily hacked and the changes made are seen as disastrous. That from an acquaintance who earns their living doing tech support. As to 'accessibility' if you can find articles from Intopia or Webaim that relate to FireFox and such, that may be your best bet. Each organization is heavy into accessibility interest.

If I follow through with this recommend, Do I need mouse clicks to open GMail attachments if using Chrome as my primary browser?
And, is Thunderbird compatible with Chrome?

Of note, I found in a dated NVDA post from 2017 that Sophos was recommended as an Anti-virus program. In an attempt to download, it would not complete on my end and was said to be corrupt. Be careful with that one if considering Sophos. Thanks.

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Re: FireFox and Other Browsers

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If you use Tbird there is no worry about Chrome as they are not interdependent.
I personally feel your friend maybe just had a bad experience, as to me there are more snooping routines in anything Google makes than are likely to be in a Mozilla product.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers


Hello Group,

In response to the posts by Gene, it is my understanding that FireFox
63 is not all that readily user-friendly for totally blind persons
using a screen reader. I do not understand the reasons. I have been
recommended to switch to Google Chrome and say bye-bye to FireFox as
it is easily hacked and the changes made are seen as disastrous. That
from an acquaintance who earns their living doing tech support. As to
'accessibility' if you can find articles from Intopia or Webaim that
relate to FireFox and such, that may be your best bet. Each
organization is heavy into accessibility interest.

If I follow through with this recommend, Do I need mouse clicks to
open GMail attachments if using Chrome as my primary browser?
And, is Thunderbird compatible with Chrome?

Of note, I found in a dated NVDA post from 2017 that Sophos was
recommended as an Anti-virus program. In an attempt to download, it
would not complete on my end and was said to be corrupt. Be careful
with that one if considering Sophos. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers

 

i missed old website, basic html and simple internet too.
i really hate dynamic pages, javascript, frames and other related issues.

On 11/15/18, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io <isepic=lavabit.com@groups.io> wrote:
Basic sites still exist by the way. Take a look at neocities.org just
for fun.




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Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

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If you do not do it soon Windows 7 will be end of life and then you won't be able to install it. to be honest I've never found anybody have problems with it. Its the standard install and has been for many years now.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


There is an update but I don't like it as muchh. Though I seldom use it, I want it just in case. I'm also not restricting myself in any way. I almost always use the computer offline, using it online only rarely perhaps for Youtube or while on vacation for browsing and e-mail. That being the case, I'd rather leave it as it is. I don't think I'd have any problems with Service Pack 1, but for my purposes, it works flawlessly and I don't want to taike even minor risks of problems for no advantage that means anything.

One of these days, I may get curious enough about the new NVDA interface that I install Service Pack 1 but that hasn't happened yet.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


You will have to have service pack 1 for most software updates to windows 7.
Are you sure that the program you are talking about does not have an update
to run on windows 7sp1? As you say, you are restricting yourself to loss of
many things while attempting to preserve just one. What is this software?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


I've seen occasional comments about add-ons being unusable in Firefox Chrome
by blind users. I had hoped that there would be improvbement in time but
today, I tried to run Noscript and found it completely inaccessible. I am
not using a recent version of NVDA but I doubt that matters. If it does,
I'd like to know. If the lack of access to these and other add-ons is as
extremely poor, nonexistent, to call it what it is, that I experienced
today, where does one report such matters or try to get something to be
done?

I did a Google searche for something like add-ons not accessible Quantum
Chrome and a few other searches but I didn't find one relevant result. I
didn't even find messages from user discussion pages I would have thought
likely to show up in results.

So I have two questions:
Are things as bad as they seem, complete inaccessibility for add-ons, and is
any of this improved when using newer versions of NVDA? I can't use recent
versions because none of my machines support them. I could make my Windows
7 machine support them by installing Service Pack 1, but I'd lose access to
a program that is dconvenient to have now and then. I also almost never use
that machine online.

Gene


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

 

but i tried many pages in github and many nvda milestone and cant
access them anymore.
how can i fix the problem to use firefox 52 with github?

On 11/15/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
I am getting the same issue with waterfox to.

Could be a page issue who knows.



On 11/15/2018 4:46 PM, zahra wrote:
hi shaun.
can you please test for me working github with old engine firefox or
waterfox?
for example: when i open
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/milestone/42
and i press h many times to go to the position that nvda says:
nvda 2018.4
and go down until nvda says:
77 closed and press enter on it, nothing happen!
it means that i cant follow nvda progress, new features, changes and
bug fixes anymore on github!
also, when i sign in to my account and wish to edit my written
comments, i cant edit them and editing does not work for me.
whenever i open github, nvda says that the version of my firefox is
not up to date and github does not support older versions of firefox
anymore!
i did not have such problems last week.

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wrote:
Unfortunately, Waterfox will be based on ESR releases so it will get
Quantum at some point.
https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future

    I really do like Waterfox. However, I don't want the Quantum stuff
because every time I've attempted to use it, it seems slower and more
unstable than what Firefox used to be without Quantum.







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I would not do it.
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NVDA is slow with Outlook

Tony Malykh
 

Hello all,
I am trying to set up a new laptop for my work, and I encountered a
few problems with Outlook. One of the problems is that NVDA reacts to
keystrokes with a delay. For example, in the list of messages when I
press up or down, I only hear NVDA speaks the next/previous message
after a second. I am aware of preview pane and I have disabled it, so
that's not an issue. I have also disabled preview of messages directly
in the messages list.
Another problem is that occasionally the entire Outlook app enters a
weird state where I cannot read anything - standard navigations
command don't work. Up/Down, Tab or F6 does nothing. However, if I
restart NVDA, then it's working again.
Does anyone have any idea what's going on and how to fix it?

I tried narrator and it works much better - at least it responds to my
keystrokes almost instantly.

I'm running latest NVDA, latest Windows 10 and latest Outlook. I
disabled all the add-ons. This is a brand new laptop. It's got plenty
of CPU and memory, so this is not a hardware issue.

Best
Tony


Re: Spanish Support

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Rechell & List:

 

JAWS 2018 or 2019 can do this.

 

Not sure if NVDA can do so by itself.

Brian

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell Schwartz
Sent: November 6, 2018 21:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spanish Support

 

Hello,

 

I am trying to test a multi-language application on a web page (i.e., it has paragraphs in various languages - French, Spanish, and other languages). I was wondering what software I need to have in order for it to switch languages based on the lang property in the <html> tag.


Re: DELETING MULTIPLE E-MAILS IN GMAIL

Shweta Mishra
 

hi friends!
you can delete multiple emails in g mail in basic HTML view by creating filter.
for more information please visit,
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/easy-ways-delete-multiple-messages-gmail-74699.html

On 11/10/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I normally run that script I posted about every 5 or so years and put
that * there. Then it will remove everything from 2-3 years back. This
way I have a 2-3 year window to work for for disputes etc. This filter
will by the way take all night to run but it does work and work well.
This is by the way how you can I think remove all emails or multiple
emails from certain labels as well. I don't know how to apply that to
the script but it is an option.

On 10 Nov 2018, at 8:14, Brian Vogel wrote:

What I don't get is why you'd ever delete anything from anywhere other
than "All Mail" (the archive).   If you are archiving absolutely
everything then deleting from the inbox will never delete anything in
reality, as you've found, as what's deleted will still have presence
in the archive.  Anything in Gmail that has two labels on it isn't
going away.  Only stuff with the trash label that's been assigned
that label for 30 days will be deleted "naturally."

You can, of course, do manual purges, too, but I don't understand why
one would do that other than from All Mail.

I don't generally archive anything.  If it's to be kept it sits in
Inbox and I can easily find it via a search.  But, to each his or her
own.
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Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in
ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant
lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking
about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack,
on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and
five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq —
how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable
fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.*

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with
Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)





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Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

 

I am getting the same issue with waterfox to.

Could be a page issue who knows.

On 11/15/2018 4:46 PM, zahra wrote:
hi shaun.
can you please test for me working github with old engine firefox or waterfox?
for example: when i open
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/milestone/42
and i press h many times to go to the position that nvda says:
nvda 2018.4
and go down until nvda says:
77 closed and press enter on it, nothing happen!
it means that i cant follow nvda progress, new features, changes and
bug fixes anymore on github!
also, when i sign in to my account and wish to edit my written
comments, i cant edit them and editing does not work for me.
whenever i open github, nvda says that the version of my firefox is
not up to date and github does not support older versions of firefox
anymore!
i did not have such problems last week.

On 11/15/18, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io <isepic=lavabit.com@groups.io> wrote:
Unfortunately, Waterfox will be based on ESR releases so it will get
Quantum at some point.
https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future

    I really do like Waterfox. However, I don't want the Quantum stuff
because every time I've attempted to use it, it seems slower and more
unstable than what Firefox used to be without Quantum.






Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

 

Well the difference is that quantom will eventually get better, the difference though is that waterfox will still be able to run classic code and the classic engine.

In fact while its based on mozilla firefox, eventually its going to be its own animal.

The issue with quantom, is that to be more secure, registry access, and a lot of things that couled become security risks are gone.

That means no linking to any os function at all, everything must be redone from scratch.

In a way it makes sence, no os links means you are secure, but that basically makes it a custom program.

Any custom program that doesn't use os spaciffic libraries is just that bit harder to access, you can't rely on the os, and the issue is that most readers are os dependant.

Nvda is heavily os dependant.

Every addon author has to reinvent the wheel.

I spoke to the developer of nav sounds for example and because of mozilla securing the program, he would have to set sounds indevidually, its harder to do, and he just couldn't be bothered at that point.

For noscript's authors, they like others would have to use the new web engine.

Eventually in the long run its probably going to be faster especially with the newer faster cpus and memmory chips.

Not much good for the lower grade cpus, but with most newer units being 6th gen and up, and now its like 7th gen and mainly amd and 8th gen in theory we shouldn't have issues at all.

The spanner in the works is of course the intel spcter issue which cuts cpu processing in half till a new gen is out.

From some reviews thats basically wrecked the new 8th generation processer group.

Mozilla has also added extra security features which have slowed down things, so who knows.

Eventually waterfox will be its own system, with its own addon store able to take advantage of the classic but also quantom engines side by side as I understand it.

So technically we should all be fine.

They aren't pushing for it right now but eventually that will happen.

On 11/15/2018 2:57 PM, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io wrote:
Unfortunately, Waterfox will be based on ESR releases so it will get Quantum at some point. https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-its-legacy-and-looking-to-the-future

    I really do like Waterfox. However, I don't want the Quantum stuff because every time I've attempted to use it, it seems slower and more unstable than what Firefox used to be without Quantum.




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