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pleas disregard my post about using NVDA with a touchscreen

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

Please disregard my previous post about my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen. I didn’t know about the enhanced touch gestures add on. I just installed it now.


Re: my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen

molly the blind tech lover
 

no i haven't i hadn't heard of that add on before. i'll have to check it out.


On Sun, 16 Dec 2018, 11:33 am Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@... wrote:
Have you tried the enhanced touch gestures add-on?

On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:26 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I wanted to share my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen.

So I have a Microsoft Surface tablet. It’s one of those pc’s where you can disconnect the keyboard from the touchscreen. I love touchscreen devices, so I was hoping to use it like an iPad. However, it soon became clear that there are far more keyboard commands for NVDA than touch gestures. You can do basic things like swipe and double tap, and even activate the NVDA menu by doing a 2 finger double tap. However, you can’t start NVDA using the touchscreen. For some reason I found myself getting stuck in a particular area of the screen and unable to get out of it. I don’t think there’s a touch gesture to close apps.  I also haven’t found a way to check the time and battery status using the touchscreen. Basically, if you just use the touchscreen, you won’t have a lot of the commands you would have using the keyboard.  I found that  connecting the keyboard is much more efficient. Even using Narrator with the touchscreen is hard sometimes. While I appreciate that NVDA supports touch gestures, I would still recommend for anyone to use a physical keyboard. I’m glad I purchased the keyboard. Sold separately, apparently.  



Re: my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

As mentioned, the procedure is pretty simple to add a gesture.  I just added one for testing, that with a two finger doubletap tells me the time. 

Simply open the NVDA menues,

go to preferences,

input gestures,

system status,

then the first option under that is the description of the shift f12 key, if pressed once, reports time, if pressed twice, reports the date.  You'll want to expand that, then tab to add gesture button.

After that, just perform the gesture you want to speak the time, press enter, and you're all done.

You can use this process to add gestures to any NVDA key function that is listed in that whole series of commands list.  Hope this helps.



On 12/16/2018 11:44 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

There isn’t really a time and battery status command in touchscreens because they are located on the bottom right side of the screen (doesn’t matter if it is landscape or portrait). This is similar to iPad where you can check time and battery status via the status bar (topmost group of controls on the screen).

In regards to general touchscreen use: it isn’t enough to learn commands provided by the screen reader. Part of what makes touchscreen useful is knowing where things are. For example, on Windows, the screen is typically laid out thus:

  • An app window, below of which is the taskbar and other user interface elements.
  • An app window consists of a band of controls on top for manipulating windows, the content area (including the menu bar/ribbon area), and in some programs, status bars and toolbars.
  • The top band is further divided into the title bar on the left, and window controls (maximize button, minimize button, close button and such) on the right.
  • In some programs, the menu bar is located below the title bar. Some newer programs lack this, and some will come with ribbon (a band of contextual toolbars), most notably in Microsoft Office applications since 2007.
  • Below the menu bar are several band of controls containing contextual buttons.
  • Below the toolbars is the content area (a document, a spreadsheet, a presentation, a media playback area, etc.).
  • In some programs, below the content area sits one or more status bars.
  • Various toolbars may exist on the sides.
  • Below the app window is either the taskbar and other elements, or in some cases, an app may lie on top of another one.
  • The bottom controls on screen consists of (from left to right): Start button, various toolbars and buttons, taskbar, one or more additional buttons, notification area (system tray which contains clock, network status, volume, and on mobile devices, power and battery status, additional icons including that of NVDA), and Show Desktop button (which briefly minimizes all apps and shows icons on the desktop).
  • Various Windows releases may show additional buttons and toolbars on the bottom of the screen (besides taskbar and Start button), including Search and Task View buttons in Windows 10, touch keyboard toggle on tablets, and other controls.

 

At some point in 2019, I will ask NVDA developers if they can document what I just described to you in the user guide, specifically when introducing touchscreen commands. I will also make sure to remind anyone producing touchscreen tutorials of any kind to introduce what’s on screen before introducing touch commands (including a potentially fourth edition of Welcome to NvDA tutorial series).

 

There is an add-on called Enhanced Touch Gestures that makes touchscreen usage a bit easier

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/enhancedTouchGestures.en.html

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I wanted to share my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen.

So I have a Microsoft Surface tablet. It’s one of those pc’s where you can disconnect the keyboard from the touchscreen. I love touchscreen devices, so I was hoping to use it like an iPad. However, it soon became clear that there are far more keyboard commands for NVDA than touch gestures. You can do basic things like swipe and double tap, and even activate the NVDA menu by doing a 2 finger double tap. However, you can’t start NVDA using the touchscreen. For some reason I found myself getting stuck in a particular area of the screen and unable to get out of it. I don’t think there’s a touch gesture to close apps.  I also haven’t found a way to check the time and battery status using the touchscreen. Basically, if you just use the touchscreen, you won’t have a lot of the commands you would have using the keyboard.  I found that  connecting the keyboard is much more efficient. Even using Narrator with the touchscreen is hard sometimes. While I appreciate that NVDA supports touch gestures, I would still recommend for anyone to use a physical keyboard. I’m glad I purchased the keyboard. Sold separately, apparently.  


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Re: Intermittent failure of focus in Explorer

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Pretty sure it isn't jaws. Machines without jaws are doing it just as bad over here. It's especially apparent on lower specked machines with intel atom and celleron processors. It has gotten just a tad better in version 1809 on higher end machines but it is still a huge problem that I hope is addressed soon.


Copying files from one place to another or deleting files should not result in NVDA refusing to read the contents in the explorer window. I'm honestly stunned that this has been going on for this long.

On 2018-12-16 3:41 a.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi!
It's unlikely that the accessibility driver installed with JAWS has an
impact here, as this is no longer an interceptor but rather a mirror
driver.
Then again, software being software, anything is possible.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 14. Dez. 2018 um 22:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:
I have a JAWS demo on my machine. We need to find out if there is a ppattern regarding JAWS.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent failure of focus in Explorer

Well when I open a folder, assuming there are files in that folder, it
normally will say the name of the folder and usually the file. It has
recently seemingly got worse atdoing this.
Far worse, but I'm now wondering if it might be something I noticed in the
programs loaded into the display driver chain.
I did around the same time install Jaws 2018, and although this is Windows
7, I notice it has added a tiny driver of some sort which is there even
when jaws is not running as a process. Sorry cannot recall its name. If that
does take some significant time or change what is getting to nvda it could
be a factor. I mainly only use Jaws for alexa as it works far better than
nvda in that application.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent failure of focus in Explorer


I'm not sure what you are describing. Often, in Windows 7, even with old
versions of NVDA, when I open a folder, nothing is spoken automatically,
such as the first item in the folder. If I move or use speak current line,
what I move to is spoken but I don't know if that is what you are
describing.

Gene
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Windows 7 does not use UIA though which was why I specifically mentioned
it
here.
I think its simply missing something, as its not every time, only
sometimes.
Its only started to happen recently say in the last couple of releases of
nvda. I guess it might be that the system has to decide if its uia or not
which might stop it getting the info from windows if its significantly
slower than it used to be. My machine is still the same though, so unless
something I installed is doing tit , I'm at a loss.
Brian

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From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent failure of focus in Explorer


Hi!
It's a long-standing issue. I reported it at:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8389
It's probably UIA-related. On Windows 10 build 1809 I haven't seen it
thus far, so it may have been solved there.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 14. Dez. 2018 um 11:55 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
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This is Windows 7, and only seems to have started to happen recently.
I have had a short cut to the root of drive C: on my desktop, but it
can
happen at any time in opening drives or folders, where the actual
focused
drive is not spoken by nvda. Here is the log file. Its not very long. I
select the shortcut with L then hit enter wait and nothing is spoken
then
I
did an nvda/f1 to see what was going on. there is an exception and
nothing
gets focus.


IO - speech.speak (10:41:26.296):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Local Disk (C) 44 of 72']

DEBUG - queueHandler.pumpAll (10:41:26.299):

generator 4809 finished

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (10:41:27.397):

Input: kb(desktop):enter

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (10:41:42.644):

Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(10:41:42.894):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Local Disk (C)'

role: ROLE_LISTITEM

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_SELECTED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: False

Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItem object
at
0x055BCC30>

Python class mro: (<class
'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItem'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithoutCellObjects'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItemWithoutColumnSupport'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: RectLTWH(left=228, top=425, width=76, height=68)

value: None

appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1660) at
address
5137ab0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 65782

windowClassName: u'SysListView32'

windowControlID: 1

windowStyle: 1442855488

windowThreadID: 1664

windowText: u'FolderView'

displayText: u'Local Disk (C)'

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x837ca08 at 4f77a80>

IAccessibleChildID: 44

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=65782, objectID=-4,
childID=44

IAccessible accName: u'Local Disk (C)'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_LISTITEM

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_SELECTABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_SELECTED,
STATE_SYSTEM_MULTISELECTABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE,
STATE_SYSTEM_VALID
(19922946)

IAccessible accDescription: exception: (-2147352573, 'Member not
found.',
(None, None, None, 0, None))

IAccessible accValue: None





So has any other windows 7 user got this issue? Also if anyone can shed
any
light on it, be my guest. It has been fine.
Brian
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Re: my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

You can create new gestures for functions that NVDA handles that do't have gestures by default.  If you want a gesture to speak the time, simply add one to the list of touch gestures, I don't have the exact procedure for performing this task, but it's a relatively straightforward process.  Also, you'll want to install the add-on for touch gestures, as it adds a few more for you.  I have a desktop machine running windows 8.1, but it has a touch screen on it, and I find myself reaching up to the screen from time to time to do things that take too long with the keyboard, especially if I'm just passing by, and want to check something, and don't feel like sitting down, getting the keyboard, putting on the headphones, then performing said function, it's a lot faster to just perform the touch gesture, and get the results immediately.

On 12/16/2018 11:26 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I wanted to share my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen.

So I have a Microsoft Surface tablet. It’s one of those pc’s where you can disconnect the keyboard from the touchscreen. I love touchscreen devices, so I was hoping to use it like an iPad. However, it soon became clear that there are far more keyboard commands for NVDA than touch gestures. You can do basic things like swipe and double tap, and even activate the NVDA menu by doing a 2 finger double tap. However, you can’t start NVDA using the touchscreen. For some reason I found myself getting stuck in a particular area of the screen and unable to get out of it. I don’t think there’s a touch gesture to close apps.  I also haven’t found a way to check the time and battery status using the touchscreen. Basically, if you just use the touchscreen, you won’t have a lot of the commands you would have using the keyboard.  I found that  connecting the keyboard is much more efficient. Even using Narrator with the touchscreen is hard sometimes. While I appreciate that NVDA supports touch gestures, I would still recommend for anyone to use a physical keyboard. I’m glad I purchased the keyboard. Sold separately, apparently.  


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Re: my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen

 

Hi,

There isn’t really a time and battery status command in touchscreens because they are located on the bottom right side of the screen (doesn’t matter if it is landscape or portrait). This is similar to iPad where you can check time and battery status via the status bar (topmost group of controls on the screen).

In regards to general touchscreen use: it isn’t enough to learn commands provided by the screen reader. Part of what makes touchscreen useful is knowing where things are. For example, on Windows, the screen is typically laid out thus:

  • An app window, below of which is the taskbar and other user interface elements.
  • An app window consists of a band of controls on top for manipulating windows, the content area (including the menu bar/ribbon area), and in some programs, status bars and toolbars.
  • The top band is further divided into the title bar on the left, and window controls (maximize button, minimize button, close button and such) on the right.
  • In some programs, the menu bar is located below the title bar. Some newer programs lack this, and some will come with ribbon (a band of contextual toolbars), most notably in Microsoft Office applications since 2007.
  • Below the menu bar are several band of controls containing contextual buttons.
  • Below the toolbars is the content area (a document, a spreadsheet, a presentation, a media playback area, etc.).
  • In some programs, below the content area sits one or more status bars.
  • Various toolbars may exist on the sides.
  • Below the app window is either the taskbar and other elements, or in some cases, an app may lie on top of another one.
  • The bottom controls on screen consists of (from left to right): Start button, various toolbars and buttons, taskbar, one or more additional buttons, notification area (system tray which contains clock, network status, volume, and on mobile devices, power and battery status, additional icons including that of NVDA), and Show Desktop button (which briefly minimizes all apps and shows icons on the desktop).
  • Various Windows releases may show additional buttons and toolbars on the bottom of the screen (besides taskbar and Start button), including Search and Task View buttons in Windows 10, touch keyboard toggle on tablets, and other controls.

 

At some point in 2019, I will ask NVDA developers if they can document what I just described to you in the user guide, specifically when introducing touchscreen commands. I will also make sure to remind anyone producing touchscreen tutorials of any kind to introduce what’s on screen before introducing touch commands (including a potentially fourth edition of Welcome to NvDA tutorial series).

 

There is an add-on called Enhanced Touch Gestures that makes touchscreen usage a bit easier

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/enhancedTouchGestures.en.html

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I wanted to share my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen.

So I have a Microsoft Surface tablet. It’s one of those pc’s where you can disconnect the keyboard from the touchscreen. I love touchscreen devices, so I was hoping to use it like an iPad. However, it soon became clear that there are far more keyboard commands for NVDA than touch gestures. You can do basic things like swipe and double tap, and even activate the NVDA menu by doing a 2 finger double tap. However, you can’t start NVDA using the touchscreen. For some reason I found myself getting stuck in a particular area of the screen and unable to get out of it. I don’t think there’s a touch gesture to close apps.  I also haven’t found a way to check the time and battery status using the touchscreen. Basically, if you just use the touchscreen, you won’t have a lot of the commands you would have using the keyboard.  I found that  connecting the keyboard is much more efficient. Even using Narrator with the touchscreen is hard sometimes. While I appreciate that NVDA supports touch gestures, I would still recommend for anyone to use a physical keyboard. I’m glad I purchased the keyboard. Sold separately, apparently.  


Re: my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen

Devin Prater
 

Have you tried the enhanced touch gestures add-on?

On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:26 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I wanted to share my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen.

So I have a Microsoft Surface tablet. It’s one of those pc’s where you can disconnect the keyboard from the touchscreen. I love touchscreen devices, so I was hoping to use it like an iPad. However, it soon became clear that there are far more keyboard commands for NVDA than touch gestures. You can do basic things like swipe and double tap, and even activate the NVDA menu by doing a 2 finger double tap. However, you can’t start NVDA using the touchscreen. For some reason I found myself getting stuck in a particular area of the screen and unable to get out of it. I don’t think there’s a touch gesture to close apps.  I also haven’t found a way to check the time and battery status using the touchscreen. Basically, if you just use the touchscreen, you won’t have a lot of the commands you would have using the keyboard.  I found that  connecting the keyboard is much more efficient. Even using Narrator with the touchscreen is hard sometimes. While I appreciate that NVDA supports touch gestures, I would still recommend for anyone to use a physical keyboard. I’m glad I purchased the keyboard. Sold separately, apparently.  



my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I wanted to share my experience using NVDA with a touchscreen.

So I have a Microsoft Surface tablet. It’s one of those pc’s where you can disconnect the keyboard from the touchscreen. I love touchscreen devices, so I was hoping to use it like an iPad. However, it soon became clear that there are far more keyboard commands for NVDA than touch gestures. You can do basic things like swipe and double tap, and even activate the NVDA menu by doing a 2 finger double tap. However, you can’t start NVDA using the touchscreen. For some reason I found myself getting stuck in a particular area of the screen and unable to get out of it. I don’t think there’s a touch gesture to close apps.  I also haven’t found a way to check the time and battery status using the touchscreen. Basically, if you just use the touchscreen, you won’t have a lot of the commands you would have using the keyboard.  I found that  connecting the keyboard is much more efficient. Even using Narrator with the touchscreen is hard sometimes. While I appreciate that NVDA supports touch gestures, I would still recommend for anyone to use a physical keyboard. I’m glad I purchased the keyboard. Sold separately, apparently.  


Re: Accessibility Guidelines 2.1.3_Tab key or arrow key #advisory

 

Hi,

The other side is labels – it isn’t enough to provide keyboard-based navigation for those relying on keyboards; what makes a difference for many is properly labeled controls.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of tarveen.kaur@...
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 7:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessibility Guidelines 2.1.3_Tab key or arrow key #advisory

 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 04:52 AM, Sile wrote:

need to be consistent with the implementation of windows keystrokes we use on our side.

Thanks all for your help.
So would that mean if it's working fine with keyboard using tab and other shotcuts its fine.


Re: Accessibility Guidelines 2.1.3_Tab key or arrow key #advisory

tarveen.kaur@...
 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 04:52 AM, Sile wrote:
need to be consistent with the implementation of windows keystrokes we use on our side.
Thanks all for your help.
So would that mean if it's working fine with keyboard using tab and other shotcuts its fine.


possible solution to slowness with Explorer

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi,

Please don't anyone come down on me for this message as my husband, Marcus,  is the one that wanted me to send it to you guys. I remember reading that some people were experiencing some sluggishness with Explorer and NVDA, which we had, but most of it is now gone since we removed all Apple products from the computer. There's still some minor slowness, but nothing like before. Just wanted to let you guys know in case you wanted to try it yourself.

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Re: Reading pdf files and line structure

 

Try setting reading settings to "left to right, top to bottom reading order". See if that helps any.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading pdf files and line structure

Dear community,
with the accessibility of pdf files varying as it does, I tend to avoid them, but sometimes information is just not easily gained through different means, so from time to time I have to read one. Just today I discovered that with NVDA and Acrobat Reader DC, there are no meaningful line breaks presented to me as I read the contents of a pdf. For example, a line might ramble on like this:
Chapter 1 Getting Started This chapter serves as introduction ...
For an experiment, I switched to JAWS and there was presented with the correct line structure:
Chapter 1
Getting Started
This chapter serves as introduction ...

Is there anything I am missing to configure in NVDA to read pdfs as expected?
All the best,
Felix


Re: this is less!

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

I am right along with you Brian!

Blessings

Pascal

 

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Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] this is less!

 

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 01:46 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

call me an old curmudgeon if you like but we were given languages and yet they prefer to use pictures.

Maybe it's "a Brian thing," but this Brian is right there with you.  I have hated emoji's ever since their debut.  I resisted the use of text emoticons, too, except in very rare cases where it would be difficult to assess "tone" accurately strictly in writing.

I would not shed a single tear were emojis to land on the cyber scrap heap.
 
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Re: Reading pdf files and line structure

jeanbaptiste_pavani@...
 

I am encountering exactly the same problem, which is very burdensome insofar as PDF files are systematic in my work tasks. I would appreciate so much to hacve a solutio too, if this solution exists.  

 Jean-Baptiste Pavani

Message du 16/12/18 11:00
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Objet : [nvda] Reading pdf files and line structure

Dear community,
with the accessibility of pdf files varying as it does, I tend to
avoid them, but sometimes information is just not easily gained
through different means, so from time to time I have to read one. Just
today I discovered that with NVDA and Acrobat Reader DC, there are no
meaningful line breaks presented to me as I read the contents of a
pdf. For example, a line might ramble on like this:
Chapter 1 Getting Started This chapter serves as introduction ...
For an experiment, I switched to JAWS and there was presented with the
correct line structure:
Chapter 1
Getting Started
This chapter serves as introduction ...

Is there anything I am missing to configure in NVDA to read pdfs as expected?
All the best,
Felix




Re: Accessibility Guidelines 2.1.3_Tab key or arrow key #advisory

Sile
 

I agree, it’s the other side of us requiring Microsoft to be consistent with the handlers they provide for accessibity. We then need to be consistent with the implementation of windows keystrokes we use on our side.

Sile

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I'd have thought both have their place in a properly designed system. Standard use of windows keys is surely a must.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Accessibility Guidelines 2.1.3_Tab key or arrow key #advisory


For texas submission do we need to have tab key or arrow key compatible for all type of content, do we need to ensure that all content is 100% accessible via tab key or arrow key.







Re: Can somebody remind me..

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Hmm, well I'm not sure how up to date his 10 is so I'll have to guess!
 Brian

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Hi


if or i remember right before that or maybe still

On earlier version of windows 10 it was the windows key + the enter key then some where there it went to that combo.

Gene nz
16/12/2018 8:02 AM, Michel Such wrote:
ctrl+Windows+enter


Michel Such

Le 15/12/2018 à 20:00, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :
What the key combination for Narrator is on windows 10? I'm going to attempt to wean a person off of Dolphin Guide which seems to be not up to the job and onto nvda, but I'll need to use narrator in between I think.

Brian

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Reading pdf files and line structure

Felix G.
 

Dear community,
with the accessibility of pdf files varying as it does, I tend to
avoid them, but sometimes information is just not easily gained
through different means, so from time to time I have to read one. Just
today I discovered that with NVDA and Acrobat Reader DC, there are no
meaningful line breaks presented to me as I read the contents of a
pdf. For example, a line might ramble on like this:
Chapter 1 Getting Started This chapter serves as introduction ...
For an experiment, I switched to JAWS and there was presented with the
correct line structure:
Chapter 1
Getting Started
This chapter serves as introduction ...

Is there anything I am missing to configure in NVDA to read pdfs as expected?
All the best,
Felix


Re: Intermittent failure of focus in Explorer

Felix G.
 

Hi!
It's unlikely that the accessibility driver installed with JAWS has an
impact here, as this is no longer an interceptor but rather a mirror
driver.
Then again, software being software, anything is possible.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 14. Dez. 2018 um 22:29 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:


I have a JAWS demo on my machine. We need to find out if there is a ppattern regarding JAWS.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent failure of focus in Explorer

Well when I open a folder, assuming there are files in that folder, it
normally will say the name of the folder and usually the file. It has
recently seemingly got worse atdoing this.
Far worse, but I'm now wondering if it might be something I noticed in the
programs loaded into the display driver chain.
I did around the same time install Jaws 2018, and although this is Windows
7, I notice it has added a tiny driver of some sort which is there even
when jaws is not running as a process. Sorry cannot recall its name. If that
does take some significant time or change what is getting to nvda it could
be a factor. I mainly only use Jaws for alexa as it works far better than
nvda in that application.
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent failure of focus in Explorer


I'm not sure what you are describing. Often, in Windows 7, even with old
versions of NVDA, when I open a folder, nothing is spoken automatically,
such as the first item in the folder. If I move or use speak current line,
what I move to is spoken but I don't know if that is what you are
describing.

Gene
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Windows 7 does not use UIA though which was why I specifically mentioned
it
here.
I think its simply missing something, as its not every time, only
sometimes.
Its only started to happen recently say in the last couple of releases of
nvda. I guess it might be that the system has to decide if its uia or not
which might stop it getting the info from windows if its significantly
slower than it used to be. My machine is still the same though, so unless
something I installed is doing tit , I'm at a loss.
Brian

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From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent failure of focus in Explorer


Hi!
It's a long-standing issue. I reported it at:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8389
It's probably UIA-related. On Windows 10 build 1809 I haven't seen it
thus far, so it may have been solved there.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 14. Dez. 2018 um 11:55 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
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This is Windows 7, and only seems to have started to happen recently.
I have had a short cut to the root of drive C: on my desktop, but it
can
happen at any time in opening drives or folders, where the actual
focused
drive is not spoken by nvda. Here is the log file. Its not very long. I
select the shortcut with L then hit enter wait and nothing is spoken
then
I
did an nvda/f1 to see what was going on. there is an exception and
nothing
gets focus.


IO - speech.speak (10:41:26.296):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Local Disk (C) 44 of 72']

DEBUG - queueHandler.pumpAll (10:41:26.299):

generator 4809 finished

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (10:41:27.397):

Input: kb(desktop):enter

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (10:41:42.644):

Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(10:41:42.894):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Local Disk (C)'

role: ROLE_LISTITEM

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_SELECTED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: False

Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItem object
at
0x055BCC30>

Python class mro: (<class
'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItem'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithoutCellObjects'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.sysListView32.ListItemWithoutColumnSupport'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: RectLTWH(left=228, top=425, width=76, height=68)

value: None

appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1660) at
address
5137ab0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 65782

windowClassName: u'SysListView32'

windowControlID: 1

windowStyle: 1442855488

windowThreadID: 1664

windowText: u'FolderView'

displayText: u'Local Disk (C)'

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x837ca08 at 4f77a80>

IAccessibleChildID: 44

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=65782, objectID=-4,
childID=44

IAccessible accName: u'Local Disk (C)'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_LISTITEM

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_SELECTABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_SELECTED,
STATE_SYSTEM_MULTISELECTABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE,
STATE_SYSTEM_VALID
(19922946)

IAccessible accDescription: exception: (-2147352573, 'Member not
found.',
(None, None, None, 0, None))

IAccessible accValue: None





So has any other windows 7 user got this issue? Also if anyone can shed
any
light on it, be my guest. It has been fine.
Brian
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dectalk express usb

larry k <sirlaurence.larry@...>
 

my question is  on the decktalk express u s b add on. there is no instructions for installation in it and it’s a zip format.
how do you install it? putting the files in synthh drivers doesn’t work.
larry


Re: Can somebody remind me..

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


if or i remember right before that or maybe still

On earlier version of windows 10 it was the windows key + the enter key then some where there it went to that combo.

Gene nz
16/12/2018 8:02 AM, Michel Such wrote:

ctrl+Windows+enter


Michel Such

Le 15/12/2018 à 20:00, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :
What the key combination for Narrator is on windows 10? I'm going to attempt to wean a person off of Dolphin Guide which seems to be not up to the job and onto nvda, but I'll need to use narrator in between I think.

Brian

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