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Re: Beeping on Web Pages using Chrome

Richard Wells
 

I forgot to say this is (NVDA) Version: 2020.3.

On 2/6/2021 7:43 PM, Richard Wells wrote:
Hi: on only one of my computers,I am hearing what sound like progress
beeps as I navigate in the virtual buffer on web pages. Any idea what I
may have turned on in preferences. I have lots of add-ons, so I don't
really know where to start finding what I've changed. I am sure I did it
but I just cannot figure out how to diagnose it. Thanks for any ideas
you all may have.





Beeping on Web Pages using Chrome

Richard Wells
 

Hi: on only one of my computers,I am hearing what sound like progress
beeps as I navigate in the virtual buffer on web pages. Any idea what I
may have turned on in preferences. I have lots of add-ons, so I don't
really know where to start finding what I've changed. I am sure I did it
but I just cannot figure out how to diagnose it. Thanks for any ideas
you all may have.


Re: copy to clip board

 

Every update to virtually any piece of software that includes new features and/or feature changes makes clear the truth of the following two oft-repeated sayings:

1. No good deed goes unpunished.

2. You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you'll never please all of the people all of the time.

Defaults for any given behavior have to be chosen.  It's a problem only if that behavior cannot be changed to suit the user, and sometimes not a particularly big one then.  But, ideally, most things should have an off/on option.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: copy to clip board

Gene
 

Unless you use an add-on, the announcement is only made in browse mode. You can see if you have copied or cut something to the clipboard with the command NVDA key c. That will read what is on the clipboard if it isn't too large.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Pfau
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] copy to clip board

Hi. Does it only announce that text is copied to the clipboard in browse mode? I was trying to copy text in a word document, and it wasn't announced. On a related subject, does it also announce that items have been cut to the clipboard?

Thanks,

Louise


Re: copy to clip board

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  Does it only announce that text is copied to the clipboard in browse mode?  I was trying to copy text in a word document, and it wasn't announced.  On a related subject, does it also announce that items have been cut to the clipboard?

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Native NVDA Driver for Alva Satellite 584

 

Well I just searched about, there is no native driver in fact the same message was asked on another blind tech list in 2016.

I then looked at optelec's site and there are no drivers.

Worse still none of their displays have native drivers for nvda, some have jaws, dolphin and windoweyes support but there are no native drivers for any alva displays for nvda.

At least none officially from the manufacturer if that answers that.

I haven't searched more than that, but maybe look on github and see if there are any.

On 7/02/2021 3:54 am, Ali Savas wrote:
Hi Lukasz,

thank you very much for your help. I am aware that this braille display
can be used via BRLTTY. However, I am looking for a native driver.

Many greetings
Ali




Re: Native NVDA Driver for Alva Satellite 584

 

Given that this display dates from approximately 14 years ago, the probability of any new native support for it is so close to zero as to effectively be zero.

There was a topic about this very thing in 2016 on the BlindTech Group:  NVDA and alva satellite 584
It's not likely that the answer has changed or ever will change.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Native NVDA Driver for Alva Satellite 584

 

I wander if your narater brltty is causing issues, it shouldn't, however maybe if you uninstall brltty for narator, then install native brltty on windows then it should work but who knows.

its been a while since I had to fiddle with a display.

At least on the humanware one I doodled with, it supported its own codebase using its own driver and brltty and something called openbraille, if your display has other options maybe you can look at that.

You could also load nvda's brltty or install brltty from the website, the usb drivers and such.

On 7/02/2021 3:50 am, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io wrote:
I no longer have access to such display but back in 2019 when I had to
use it for a few weeks I've managed to connect it with NVDA via BRLTTY.


Re: Native NVDA Driver for Alva Satellite 584

Lukasz Golonka
 

I don't think this is realistic giben the age of this display. What
you''re missing when using it via BRLTTY?

On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 15:54:34 +0100
"Ali Savas" <ali-savas@gmx.de> wrote:

Hi Lukasz,

thank you very much for your help. I am aware that this braille display
can be used via BRLTTY. However, I am looking for a native driver.

Many greetings
Ali


Re: Native NVDA Driver for Alva Satellite 584

Ali Savas
 

Hi Lukasz,

thank you very much for your help. I am aware that this braille display
can be used via BRLTTY. However, I am looking for a native driver.

Many greetings
Ali


Re: Native NVDA Driver for Alva Satellite 584

Lukasz Golonka
 

I no longer have access to such display but back in 2019 when I had to
use it for a few weeks I've managed to connect it with NVDA via BRLTTY.

--
HTH
Lukasz

On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:54:21 +0100
"Ali Savas" <ali-savas@gmx.de> wrote:

Hello all,

I am looking for a native NVDA driver for the Alva Satellite 584. A
native driver was being worked on a few years ago, but was discontinued
or not pursued due to unstability.

Is there any news or progress in the meantime? For me it is not
important that it supports USB, I have a serial to USB converter.

Thanks in advance for your answers and help.
Ali


Re: NVDA with mainframe terminal emulators

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I’ve not worked on a mainframe for about 10 years but programmed for around 25 years, originally using IRMA, then Attachmate Extra and finally Zephyr Passport, all were IBM 3270 emulators.  I used Jaws at that time and all were reasonably accessible once the cursor shape and blink rate had been adjusted such that  Jaws could recognise it.  I don’t know if emulators are more graphical these days, which would make the job much more difficult but I wish you the best of luck.         

 

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Luke Robinett
Sent: 06 February 2021 06:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with mainframe terminal emulators

 

We also use Rumba but to be honest I almost never have to interact with it directly. On the few occasions I have attempted it, I found NVDA to be almost useless. As far as I understand, these emulator programs aren’t really displaying text. It’s more like a graphical window pretending to be text. Not sure how NVDA could tackle that other than optical character recognition which wouldn’t be ideal for this purpose. Hope you figure something out. Let us know.

 

Luke

 

 

> On Feb 4, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkman1@...> wrote:

>

> We use Rumba at my company.

>

> Eric

>

>> On 2/4/21, David Mehler <dave.mehler@...> wrote:

>> Hello,

>>

>> Which program(s) do you use or have you used in the past?

>>

>> Thanks.

>> Dave.

>>

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>>> On 2/4/21, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkman1@...> wrote:

>>> Hi all,

>>>

>>> I work as a mainframe programmer and have been using Jaws with Glen

>>> Sepke's terminal scripts to use the terminal emulator at my company.

>>> Have any of you found a way to get NVDA to work well with terminal

>>> emulation programs?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Eric

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>>

>>>

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Native NVDA Driver for Alva Satellite 584

Ali Savas
 

Hello all,

I am looking for a native NVDA driver for the Alva Satellite 584. A
native driver was being worked on a few years ago, but was discontinued
or not pursued due to unstability.

Is there any news or progress in the meantime? For me it is not
important that it supports USB, I have a serial to USB converter.

Thanks in advance for your answers and help.
Ali


Re: Using Narrator BRLTTY with NVDA

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Hi all,

I'm resurrecting a very old topic, which I found upon googling.

Whenever I start Narrator, my Alva Satellite 84 reports BRLTTY 5.6. When I look in the documentation for NVDA 2020.3, it says that it's using BRLTTY 6.1. Even when I use the BRLTTY options within the Braille dialog, this display doesn't spring to life. Is there any further movement on this subject? Mind you, the thread is from back in 2017.

Thanks,

Ben


Re: NVDA with mainframe terminal emulators

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

We also use Rumba but to be honest I almost never have to interact with it directly. On the few occasions I have attempted it, I found NVDA to be almost useless. As far as I understand, these emulator programs aren’t really displaying text. It’s more like a graphical window pretending to be text. Not sure how NVDA could tackle that other than optical character recognition which wouldn’t be ideal for this purpose. Hope you figure something out. Let us know.

Luke

On Feb 4, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkman1@gmail.com> wrote:

We use Rumba at my company.

Eric

On 2/4/21, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

Which program(s) do you use or have you used in the past?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 2/4/21, Eric Brinkman <eric.brinkman1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I work as a mainframe programmer and have been using Jaws with Glen
Sepke's terminal scripts to use the terminal emulator at my company.
Have any of you found a way to get NVDA to work well with terminal
emulation programs?

Thanks,
Eric













Two Google Doc issues

Jonathan Milam
 

Hi All,

 

For those who use Google docs, if I am reading the doc in browse mode, only the first page is shown in the browser, however, it shows completely if I am reading the document in Focus mode.  Has anyone else seen this?

 

Also, I am noticing that when a doc loads and Focus mode is automatically enabled, if I return to Browse mode, I am not seeing the sidebar items to rename, share, etc. that I used to see when using Browse mode that always used to be above the document.  The only work-around I have found is to press alt+shift+F and then shift+tab to get to these items.  I’m wondering if they have changed this behavior sometime last year to hide this?  These issues happen in Firefox or Chrome in Win10.

 

 Thanks,            

Jonathan

 


Re: Column shifting in large tables

Jonathan Milam
 

It isn’t unfortunately.  It is part of my employer’s intranet and requires VPN access.

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 10:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Column shifting in large tables

 

Is the page where this table occurs accessible to the general public?  If so, would you share the URL?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Column shifting in large tables

 

Is the page where this table occurs accessible to the general public?  If so, would you share the URL?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Column shifting in large tables

Jonathan Milam
 

I have, actually.  Voiceover doesn’t even see it as a table, but I am not seeing the shifting issue with JAWS, however, the latency navigating with JAWS prevents it from even being a solution.  I even tried Chromevox in Chrome but I am unable to navigate the table with it either, due to the latency.  I think much of the issue is caused by the sheer size of the table, the fact that it’s HTML, and also due to the many sorting options it offers.  I’m trying to get a CSV version of it for offline testing, or perhaps they can break up the table into several pages, because it also takes forever to fully load.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Column shifting in large tables

 

Jonathan,

             Interesting.  It still might not be NVDA, as I've seen some very sloppy HTML that, while it presents visually, is an absolute mess to parse out.

             And I hasten to add I'm not trying to say it's not NVDA, either.  By any chance have you tried another screen reader or screen readers to see how they react?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: How to read status bar word by word or character by character of Excel or any other App

Gene
 

I don't use the laptop layout but that sounds like a laptop layout command. the desktop layout command the default, is NVDA key end twice to read by character and once to read the entire line. if you want to read by word, stopping after any word you wish, you would have to use screen review or object review.

Gene.

gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to read status bar word by word or character by character of Excel or any other App



Press NVDA + Shift + End key twice.


On 2/5/2021 5:32 PM, Ramesh Patil wrote:


Sir,

How to read status bar word by word or character by character of Excel or any other App.

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