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Re: Jumping multiple similar objects

 

Hi,

I think this would be best suited for add-ons list, but the solution involves studying what’s called “text infos” – a routine used to work with text content.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 6:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jumping multiple similar objects

 

I tried down arrowing and pressing control very quickly after down arrowing.  That causes no speech to sound.  If you can have the add on activate control after every down arrow but not on the last one if you want that to be read, that should solve the problem.  I don't know if there is another solution on a more technical level but as a user without technical knowledge of the internal operation, that is what I found.

 

Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:42 AM

Subject: [nvda] Jumping multiple similar objects

 

We are working on an add-on which allows us to move multiple objects of same type in one go. For e.g, I want to jump 3 lines in a document. We are calling script_review_nextLine() function three times. Here, we are facing an issue, NVDA reads out all the three lines, instead of just reading the third line. May be he is putting all the lines content in queue. Any suggestions, how we can fix it.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry, let me rephrase that...

Eloquence have a SAPI5 version, and as that, it is available for all applications...

It does not come with any flavour of Windows operative system...


Rui Fontes

Às 14:59 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.) This is very helpful so thank you.


Re: Skype ver 8.33

Darren Harris
 

When is classic skype going to stop working does anyone know?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: 13 November 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype ver 8.33

 

I've never seen anybody mainstream usin teamtalk. It seems like only blind people use it, sadly. It's a great program even though it is not simple to set up. As for what you can do to make this new version a bit easier to use, there's very little you can do. I would at least turn auto answering calls on. Below are the steps. The privacy issue is outweighed by the amount of time it takes for users to answer a call manually.

  1. Hit Alt, T.
  2. Arrow down to preferences.
  3. Once inside preferences, go to the calls tab and check answer incoming calls automatically. Settings save automatically so close the window after.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.) This is very helpful so thank you.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

It depends on the synth you are using...

The Eloquence SAPI5 works alright, since it is a Windows synth and not a NVDA dedicated synth...

The Eloquence addon from CodeFactory also works...

The ilegal ones, some work, others maybe not...
But, it is not the place to discuss those...

Rui Fontes


Às 14:30 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

Does the latest version of NVDA still support the eloquence
synthesizer in any form? I am about to put it on my work computer. I
have not updated my NVDA beyond 2018.3, because I have heard that
Eloquence will no longer work, and it is the only non-iOS synthesizer
I am really comfortable with.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

There was a discussion some time ago about what would happen to older synthesizers when NVDA began using the newest version of Python, and a few people were expressing concerns that Eloquence and other synthesizers would no longer function correctly.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Gerardo Corripio
 

Working great with NVDA2018.3.2. It should work. Where do some people spread such misleading info I wonder?

Gera
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El 13 nov 2018, a la(s) 8:30 a. m., kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> escribió:

Does the latest version of NVDA still support the eloquence
synthesizer in any form? I am about to put it on my work computer. I
have not updated my NVDA beyond 2018.3, because I have heard that
Eloquence will no longer work, and it is the only non-iOS synthesizer
I am really comfortable with.



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Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

Does the latest version of NVDA still support the eloquence
synthesizer in any form? I am about to put it on my work computer. I
have not updated my NVDA beyond 2018.3, because I have heard that
Eloquence will no longer work, and it is the only non-iOS synthesizer
I am really comfortable with.



--
Kelby Carlson


Has anyone else had quick navigation keys stop working after installing Microsoft Office?

John J. Boyer
 

They were working until I did that installation. I have a laptop computer. The vendor configured it before giving it to
me. The quick navigation keys have never worked. They are trying to figure out what they might have done that caused
this problem. Once I know that, I might be able to write a NVDA add-on to correct it.

Thanks,
John

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Re: Jumping multiple similar objects

Gene
 

I tried down arrowing and pressing control very quickly after down arrowing.  That causes no speech to sound.  If you can have the add on activate control after every down arrow but not on the last one if you want that to be read, that should solve the problem.  I don't know if there is another solution on a more technical level but as a user without technical knowledge of the internal operation, that is what I found.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] Jumping multiple similar objects

We are working on an add-on which allows us to move multiple objects of same type in one go. For e.g, I want to jump 3 lines in a document. We are calling script_review_nextLine() function three times. Here, we are facing an issue, NVDA reads out all the three lines, instead of just reading the third line. May be he is putting all the lines content in queue. Any suggestions, how we can fix it.


Re: Skype ver 8.33

 

I've never seen anybody mainstream usin teamtalk. It seems like only blind people use it, sadly. It's a great program even though it is not simple to set up. As for what you can do to make this new version a bit easier to use, there's very little you can do. I would at least turn auto answering calls on. Below are the steps. The privacy issue is outweighed by the amount of time it takes for users to answer a call manually.

  1. Hit Alt, T.
  2. Arrow down to preferences.
  3. Once inside preferences, go to the calls tab and check answer incoming calls automatically. Settings save automatically so close the window after.


Re: ccleaner new release

 

I love this file! I wish Bleachbit was accessible. It's an open source alternative. It's not accessible to NVDA at all, but if any developers want to look at the code or otherwise, the github page is below. I have not tried asking about accessibility yet.

Below is in markdown, for all you text email readers. Not sure it will render.

The github page

Documentation on compiling, adding cleaners

Main contribute page

I still like Puran Utilities though, even though it has not been updated in ages.


Jumping multiple similar objects

Shradha Holani <shradhaholani@...>
 

We are working on an add-on which allows us to move multiple objects of same type in one go. For e.g, I want to jump 3 lines in a document. We are calling script_review_nextLine() function three times. Here, we are facing an issue, NVDA reads out all the three lines, instead of just reading the third line. May be he is putting all the lines content in queue. Any suggestions, how we can fix it.


Re: NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, not sure about the latter as I subscribe to the mail list for issues and this allows email to be used to comment on tickets on github. I do find, even with modern browsers, a little like a system over engineered for many tasks that in the end fills with clutter the user is not going to need and clever little non standard bits.
However getting back on topic. yes you can stop Firefox from updating, but I suppose you then leave yourself open to breaches.
If you have a 64 bit machine then Waterfox is quite good.
I still find, even on windows 7 that the new Firefox versions crash more and do not provide good audio feedback of when pages are loaded etc.
Brian

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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla


hi, me too.
i have firefox 52 and never update it.
you can do uncheck automatic update, in tools, options, advance,
update and set firefox to never check for update. as i did.
also, you can remove maintenance service in control panel add remove
programs or programs and features.
i also, did this task in about:config to be sure never update for firefox!
although i have windows xp and fortunately updating to firefox quantum
is not possible on xp.
but unfortunately github became a little unsupported with firefox 52.
for example: i cant follow nvda milestones anymore or edit my written comments.

On 11/13/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
This is just one review. here is a brief excerpt:
https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/download/security/spybot-search-destroy-2764-3248870/
It won't replace your antivirus package, but Spybot - Search & Destroy can
provide an important extra layer of security, helping you to detect and
remove even more malware

I suspect that will be the view of reliable sources you check. I don't know
anything about this source, but it looks reliable to me.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: David Russell
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 2:23 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla


Hello Group,

To follow up with Gene and others:

I am using FF version fifty-two presently.
Again, I want to stay with this, and turn off the occasional notices
to update to FF 63 or whatever the numeric. I am not sure how to do
that or if I can?

Here is the link implying Spybot 2.7, which is on my computer,
contains anti-virus. My comment follows.
Here comes 2.7 - Spybot Anti-Malware and Antivirus : Spybot Anti ...
https://www.safer-networking.org/here-comes-2-7/Result Options
May 3, 2018 - This is the new Spybot – Search & Destroy 2.7.64. We are
proud to present a new version of Spybot – Search & Destroy that will
give you not only new features, but better security and faster scans.
Spybot 2.x FAQ

Comment: I am in search of an easy to use AV program and found Avast
difficult to run to install. I am not happy with Microsoft Security
Essentials, and AVG is difficult to update on my own as a blind
person. Thanks.
Best,
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Re: NVDA and add-on updates when a http proxy is used

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi,

On Tue, November 13, 2018 10:10 am, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:
One has to ask oneself why you use a proxy. The usual reason is security,
ie the proxy can only allow access to certain bits of the web. The second
reason is that it stops true tracking if the receiving site sees a
different address each time.
There are much more reasons why proxy servers are used, but thats not the
point. The fact is, that many companies are using proxy servers and NVDA
seems not to be able to deal with such kind of environments which makes it
more difficult for people to keep their system up to date.

So, I'm not aware that anything out there allows you to do what you want.
Tecnicaly it should be no problem because other software is also able to
use the proxy to check for upgrades and install them. As long as only http
or https is used for the checks and downloads, the proxy should no
problem.

Maybe the system admins can arrange a pass through or maybe they can
monitor the sites for the add ons etc you want.

This is the last step to perform and in some environments this will be
inpossible due to security policies, e.g.

By all means raise an issue on Github, but I'm not sure how the devs
might view this.
Thanks for the hint with Github, I will create a request.

Ciao,

Schoepp


Re: NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Why are you not happy with the Microsoft solution?
I'm assuming that, like myself you have Windows 7.
One thing is for sure, nothing will stop you getting infected 100 percent. Its all a trade off, Much can be done by being wary what you click on or open and hence no matter how good a solution is, they will all have issues of either being too invasive, slowing down the machine or not spotting things.
There is no magic bullet even if you pay.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 8:23 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla


Hello Group,

To follow up with Gene and others:

I am using FF version fifty-two presently.
Again, I want to stay with this, and turn off the occasional notices
to update to FF 63 or whatever the numeric. I am not sure how to do
that or if I can?

Here is the link implying Spybot 2.7, which is on my computer,
contains anti-virus. My comment follows.
Here comes 2.7 - Spybot Anti-Malware and Antivirus : Spybot Anti ...
https://www.safer-networking.org/here-comes-2-7/Result Options
May 3, 2018 - This is the new Spybot – Search & Destroy 2.7.64. We are
proud to present a new version of Spybot – Search & Destroy that will
give you not only new features, but better security and faster scans.
Spybot 2.x FAQ

Comment: I am in search of an easy to use AV program and found Avast
difficult to run to install. I am not happy with Microsoft Security
Essentials, and AVG is difficult to update on my own as a blind
person. Thanks.
Best,
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I've not used it in some time, mainly due to its over invasive tendencies, some of which you have found. I do remember its supposed to be configurable to avoid passwords, but I never found an accessible way to achieve this.
Does it perhaps use a .ini file?
As for anti virus, well its not really an anti virus program, but to some extent it used to highlight things like route kits and such installed by Trojans. Once again though, I found that it was hit and miss, and often getting rid of what it considered to be malware, could trash the machine.
I'll leave it up to others to comment further, but I just found it rather tiresome and went over to Superantispyware, which although not that easy to use, seems to be more reliable and does not remove passwords but does remove cookies associated with tracking, however other problems with it are things like unwanted browser extensions, like the Ask toolbar, which it says I have on one machine but I do not see it, but even if I wanted it to be removed the checkbox to remove it is not accessible.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 3:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Spybot and Mozilla


Hi NVDA Group,

The best way to do this is just pose my questions. Thanks in advance
for your helpful input.

1. NVDA and Spybot 2.7. Does anyone know if NVDA 2.7, Search and
Destroy, also includes an anti-virus feature? Would a detailed report
of a scan be pretty long reading?

2. As Spybot deletes passwords from browser memory, is there a way to
ensure that it leaves the browser alone so that the current classic
version remains on your computer?
I had to do a system restore to get my old browser back after a scan
session. Overall, I do like Spybot!

Best to All,
--
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david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: NVDA and add-on updates when a http proxy is used

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

One has to ask oneself why you use a proxy. The usual reason is security, ie the proxy can only allow access to certain bits of the web. The second reason is that it stops true tracking if the receiving site sees a different address each time.
So, I'm not aware that anything out there allows you to do what you want. Maybe the system admins can arrange a pass through or maybe they can monitor the sites for the add ons etc you want.
By all means raise an issue on Github, but I'm not sure how the devs might view this.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Schoepplein" <chris@schoeppi.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 2:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and add-on updates when a http proxy is used


Hello,

in my job I have to use a http proxy to access the internet. The proxy
settings for the browser (Firefox) and the operating system (Win7) are
provided by a proxy.pac file stored on the proxy itself.

Unfortunatly neither NVDA, nor any add-on, can be updated automaticaly. It
seems that NVDA is not using the proxy settings for the browser or
operating system.

Is this a missing feature or can I somewhere specify htt proxy settings
for NVDA? Where can I open a bugreport or feature request for this issue?
Its not uncommon, that proxy servers are used in company environments and
IMHO NVDA should be able to deal with this.

Cheers and thanks for any help,

Schoepp


Re: ccleaner new release

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The latest release has an issue. If you dally around when going through the buttons, on the new quick thingymajig, it auto activates, leaving you in an inaccessible window, which you have to close to carry on.
It seems to me this so called new feature is simply the old customise feature brought out on the top level and made not to work with a screenreader very well. Hitting custom seems to just behave as before.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner new release


Hi all.

Here is a new release and as usual the ini file is here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbbbqs8blbyuev9/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

The ini file has as usual the ics run for those that want to get the full benifits or simply don't want my file do a control f on ccleaner.ini in notepad and find cfg.

Select every line including the first cfg line and hit delete and then save the file and rerun the program.

Sadly quickclean and the settings to use it are as buggy as ever, ie I can't deselect the buttons or even do anything, and quickclean still has issues but at least now it starts by default as off.

Now as long as piriform or should I say avast corp in their infinit wizdom doesn't reenable the damn setting every few runthroughs that will actually be good.

I suspect the fact that its freezing on some units rather than my issue is probably the issue.

I really hope that at least in portable we don't have to handle these issues its why I switched to portable, firstly the visual panel and then to get away from system monitering.

The thing is, get past the inaccessible configuration and settings, the monitering, the extra not needed things like quickclean and the program is basically accessible once configured.

If you didn't have my ini file you would need sighted help to configure it once, but then you could also edit the ini file, settings mostly are true false 1 or 0 values mostly anyway.

There are custom ini files you can put in or get bits from to.

And there are ways to add things in if you need just remember eventually the datafile entries will slow the engine down.

With all that out the way, ccleaner is still in my view a good program.




Re: Skype ver 8.33

 

hi chris and all.
as i use windows xp and skype 8 is not supported on xp, i decided to
try other programs.
can you please explane me differences between skype and zoom?
i also tried teamtalk and the quality was extremely great, but the
difficulty is not having account like skype and need port, server, etc
which made teamtalk a little dificult for me in compare to skype which
is more private, i have my account and only have relations with people
who i know.
how about zoom? is it like skype in this regard or like teamtalk?
i really appreciate any help and wish to contact to other people, but
dont know what can i do now!
God bless you all!

On 11/12/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


the following tutorial for skype 8 should help you it can be found off the
following page at
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

When you go to the page you can jump down by headings to the tutorial for
skype 8 plus the older version. there is a web version which is not up there
at present for skype which will get posted sooner or later.


Gene nz


On 13/11/2018 3:15 AM, Paul O'Rahilly wrote:

Folks

Forgive me if you have discussed this already.

I stupidly upgraded my Skype classic to the latest ver 8.33.

I'm struggling to make it work with either NVDA or JAWS, with the same
ease as Skype classic.

Does anyone have suggestions ?.

Thanks, Paul





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