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locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Rui Fontes
 

With what purpose, if I may ask?


Rui Fontes


Às 22:41 de 17/04/2021, Chris Smart escreveu:


On 2021-04-17 5:39 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?
I do sometimes.




Re: NVDA and Freedom Scientifi Focus 40

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

I have the same problem. Until about three years ago I could turn off the Focus 40 and then when I turned it on again It would work immediately with Bluetooth.
Then Microsoft did something that caused this problem. My computer tech tried to fix it, but nothing he did worked.

Hopefully someone will have a solution.

John

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 07:59:50PM +0200, Viny wrote:
Hi, Everyone,

I have NVDA 2020.4, Windows 10 and a braille display Focus 40 4th generation
of Freedom Scientific.

Each times I switch of the braille dispay and start it after, i must restart
nvda for the braille display works again. The Focus 40 is connect by
bluetooth. This is a problem for me because I am not always near to the
computter.

Could it possible to do something to solve that? Isn't there a parameter to
change in the properties dialog of the bluetooth serial port?

Thanks for answers.






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locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Chris Smart
 

On 2021-04-17 5:39 p.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?
I do sometimes.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry, but except maybe some sighted developers, who use beeps?


Remember we are talking about:

Toggle Speech Mode

NVDA+s

Toggles speech mode between speech, beeps and off. |


Rui Fontes



Às 22:24 de 17/04/2021, David Goldfield escreveu:

I honestly can't believe this is that big of a deal. Since some people value the setting of having beeps and as we do have an addon to block the setting from being shown may I ask why on earth this is even a thing? Those who like the feature obviously have a use for it. Those who don't need it can simply ignore it or installing an addon. I realize I can easily suppress this thread and I may well do so but is this really all that important? There are many screen reader features that I personally don't need or use. I ignore them. Can't others just do the same and get on with bigger issues?


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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

I think a more reasonable solution to this would be to include a checkbox somewhere in NVDA settings, called "disable beeps speech mode".
In other words: make the current add-on part of core, behind a checkbox, maybe in advanced.

Related issue:
Changing the pitch of the beeps: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F9308&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C0cf0165ba34d458882b408d901e5056a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637542905410273245%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=l6K9hkP%2FWg%2BJvWrI1udpmoJtxY28GuOvro%2BCRhRyse4%3D&amp;reserved=0

Luke

Andre Fisher wrote:

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite
simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so
pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.







locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

David Goldfield
 

I honestly can't believe this is that big of a deal. Since some people value the setting of having beeps and as we do have an addon to block the setting from being shown may I ask why on earth this is even a thing? Those who like the feature obviously have a use for it. Those who don't need it can simply ignore it or installing an addon. I realize I can easily suppress this thread and I may well do so but is this really all that important? There are many screen reader features that I personally don't need or use. I ignore them. Can't others just do the same and get on with bigger issues?


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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

I think a more reasonable solution to this would be to include a checkbox somewhere in NVDA settings, called "disable beeps speech mode".
In other words: make the current add-on part of core, behind a checkbox, maybe in advanced.

Related issue:
Changing the pitch of the beeps: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F9308&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C0cf0165ba34d458882b408d901e5056a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637542905410273245%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=l6K9hkP%2FWg%2BJvWrI1udpmoJtxY28GuOvro%2BCRhRyse4%3D&amp;reserved=0

Luke

Andre Fisher wrote:

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite
simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so
pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Luke Davis
 

I think a more reasonable solution to this would be to include a checkbox somewhere in NVDA settings, called "disable beeps speech mode".
In other words: make the current add-on part of core, behind a checkbox, maybe in advanced.

Related issue:
Changing the pitch of the beeps: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9308

Luke

Andre Fisher wrote:

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so pressing twice for
beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to
the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Gene
 

You don't understand my point. those who routinely now press once for off, then twice for on, will issue the wrong command if the interface changes and turn on beeps. Unless they know about the change, they will not have speech and may believe there is something wrong.

and people aren't going to be turned off by the current way the interface works. this is a very minor change which would increase convenience in a very minor way for some users.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

No.

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.

Again, look at screen curtain implementation to see what I mean.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Andre Fisher
 

No.

Once for off, once for on. Twice for beeps, once for on. It's quite simple. A maajority of the NVDA users out there don't use beeps, so pressing twice for beeps would not rattle any new users out there. However, having to press once for off, then twice to turn it back on would certainly turn off new users to the screen reader, who may not know about add-ons and where to find them, or those who may not even be able to install add-ons in certain environments.

Again, look at screen curtain implementation to see what I mean.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Gene
 

I think this is overmanagement. Why is it so difficult to press once for off, then twice for on. This is suchh an insignificant chhange that I see no reason to change it in the core.

And your suggestion may confuse current users, many of whom will probably not read the What's New section where the change is described and won't see information about it in other ways. A lot of those who are used to the current interface might press s twice to turn speech on only to have no speech, but beeps and have no idea why. I can imagine all the messages to the list and to other support places asking why there is no speech and what to do about it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Hi.

I believe Fernando is on to something here, though. Despite this functionality being in an add-on that is currently stable, I feel like natively NVDA can include a change based on his suggestion. After all, add-ons are created because of a desire by users, and I feel this is longed after by many, including myself. The fact that screen curtain, focus highlight and Windows 10 app support and changes were once add-ons, and are now part of the core of NVDA, says a lot about the possibilities they possess.

Now, I can see this working similarly to the current screen curtain implementation. When the gesture is pressed once, NVDA speech can be toggled to off. If pressed twice quickly, however, NVDA speech can be set to beeps. To turn back on NVDA's speech, just press the gesture once when it is either set to beeps or off.

I honestly think this would be even better than what we have now, as sometimes cycling to the different speech modes can be confusing, especially for someone who may want beeps and is a new NVDA user.

Any thoughts?


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

I believe Fernando is on to something here, though. Despite this functionality being in an add-on that is currently stable, I feel like natively NVDA can include a change based on his suggestion. After all, add-ons are created because of a desire by users, and I feel this is longed after by many, including myself. The fact that screen curtain, focus highlight and Windows 10 app support and changes were once add-ons, and are now part of the core of NVDA, says a lot about the possibilities they possess.

Now, I can see this working similarly to the current screen curtain implementation. When the gesture is pressed once, NVDA speech can be toggled to off. If pressed twice quickly, however, NVDA speech can be set to beeps. To turn back on NVDA's speech, just press the gesture once when it is either set to beeps or off.

I honestly think this would be even better than what we have now, as sometimes cycling to the different speech modes can be confusing, especially for someone who may want beeps and is a new NVDA user.

Any thoughts?


NVDA and Freedom Scientifi Focus 40

Viny
 

Hi, Everyone,

I have NVDA 2020.4, Windows 10 and a braille display Focus 40 4th generation of Freedom Scientific.

Each times I switch of the braille dispay and start it after, i must restart nvda for the braille display works again. The Focus 40 is connect by bluetooth. This is a problem for me because I am not always near to the computter.

Could it possible to do something to solve that? Isn't there a parameter to change in the properties dialog of the bluetooth serial port?

Thanks for answers.


locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Agreed. I used it when I was updatring my wsus offline iso file for windows. But that's about it.

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On 16 Apr 2021, at 10:16, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 01:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
I use beeps as a progress indicator
-
So far, everyone who's expressed that they use it seems to use it in precisely this way, as far as progress monitoring.  It's a lot less intrusive than constant blabbering when all you want to know is whether something's finished yet or not.
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locked Re: Where to send suggestions for NVDA?

 

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 03:21 PM, Fernando Henrique Botelho wrote:
I am not against the feature of beeps in place of speech, even though I do not know why would anyone use it. I am just suggesting a change in the NVDA interface, so an add-on is no longer needed.
-
And how would that work?  You've had several people tell you that they do use it and how.  The logical place for presenting the beeps speech option is exactly where it is, and since there are a number of people who do use it that's where it should stay.

The add-on fills your need, which prevents the need for tweaking core functionality that others actually do use.  Masking/hiding something that's part of the core functionality is one way this whole add-on concept is supposed to work, .  The other is adding functionality that's not yet, and may never become, part of the NVDA core.
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Re: Find On Page

 

luke,
can you please teach me input gestures remotely?
i tested one time and up arrow key stopped working for me and i could
not go to the previous item.
i am afraid to test again and work with input gesture again to learn it.

On 4/17/21, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
Glenn, if you keep forgetting this, go to NVDA's input gestures dialog, and
in
browse mode gestures, change the key to control+f.

The repeat gesture will still be NVDA+F3.

Luke

Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I have always tried both control + F and then when I remember/rediscover
that it doesn't work, I try insert + control + F and that never works
right either.
It should take me to the word, and F3 should repeat it, but it does
something, but the word is nowhere around my cursor.
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Re: Find On Page

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Note also that if you trigger the find in page feature, it opens a Find bar which you should close before switching to browse mode and using the NVDA+Ctrl+f command.  When the find bar opens, press tab and you should find a buttn to close it.  

 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: benmoxey@...
Sent: 16 April 2021 22:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Find On Page

 

Hi Glenn

 

First, it is important to ensure you are in Browse mode, otherwise the standard browser Find will activate. Press NVDA + Space to toggle between Browse and Focus mode.

 

To clarify the commands:

  • NVDA + Control + F performs an NVDA find on the page.
  • NVDA + F3 will find the next instance of what you searched for.
  • NVDA + Shift + F3 will find the previous instance of what you searched for.

 

These commands should be working reliably in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Firefox etc.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 6:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Find On Page

 

I have always tried both control + F and then when I remember/rediscover that it doesn't work, I try insert + control + F and that never works right either.

It should take me to the word, and F3 should repeat it, but it does something, but the word is nowhere around my cursor.

Glenn

 


Re: PDF: Alternate Text and Description of tables

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi Ben,


Thanks for checking this for me.


However, I do have the accessibility tags option checked. I have updated both Office and Acrobat Reader DC. I am also using Office 365


I have now opened the exported PDF in Word again to see if word would still show the alt text and the table description. It didn't. It didn't even show the heading of the document, this is the main heading not a header of the table. However, the heading was present in Acrobat Reader, so I don't really understand what's going on here...


Do you have any idea what else I might check?


Thank you.


Regards


Sandra

Am 16.04.2021 um 22:37 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

I just tested this and the alt text title and long description for the table are present in the PDF.

 

In the export options, ensure “Document structure tags for accessibility” is checked. Note that I am using Microsoft 365, so the tags added to the PDF may have been enhanced since 2016.

 

Regarding the long description, if this information is essential for the user to understand the table’s contents, I recommend including it in the main body of the document, above the table. Many screen reader users will not know how to access the long description, so this approach ensures the information is easy to find.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 2:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PDF: Alternive Text and Desciption of tables

 

Hello,

 

I have written a Word Document which has a table. In the table properties, I have added an alternative text and a description of the table. When I read the table in Word, NVDA will read the alternative text as well as the description. When I export the document to PDF, NVDA will neither read the alternative text nor the description. Is this because NVDA doesn't support this in Adobe DC, or is it that Word doesn't include the alternative text and table description?

 

The same is true for tables created in PowerPoint, when the files are exported to PDF.

 

Regards

 

Sandra


Re: nvda ABBYY FineReader 12

Bogdan Onyshenko
 

Hello. Problem is in espeak NG itself. If it is set to English it would read any other language as latter by latter. Just set synthesizer language to Greak. Basicly, I have a same problem with Ukrainian.

 

 

От: marinos.poulimas
Отправлено: 17 апреля 2021 г. в 8:01
Кому: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Тема: [nvda] nvda ABBYY FineReader 12

 

Good morning everyone calls me Marino I am from Greece I want to ask

what can I do to pass a book with the program ABBYY FineReader 12 1

month ago I had a computer with Windows 7 with the program ABBYY

FineReader 12 I had no problem I made that setting I wanted with the

program I had selected in the program the settings in the Greek language

and it worked very well in Windows 10 while I have selected the menu of

the program in the Greek language it continues to be in English I chose

any text file I wanted and I had no problem Now I have Windows 10 except

program ABBYY FineReader 12 in which Gianna I scan I do not have the

capabilities I had in Windows 7 here to add that in Windows 7 and

Windows 10 some text files from pdf to some other format such as txt doc

dogs NVDA reads capital letters or is in Greek or in English Reads them

one by one what I can do thank you all

 

 

 

 

 


nvda ABBYY FineReader 12

marinos.poulimas
 

Good morning everyone calls me Marino I am from Greece I want to ask what can I do to pass a book with the program ABBYY FineReader 12 1 month ago I had a computer with Windows 7 with the program ABBYY FineReader 12 I had no problem I made that setting I wanted with the program I had selected in the program the settings in the Greek language and it worked very well in Windows 10 while I have selected the menu of the program in the Greek language it continues to be in English I chose any text file I wanted and I had no problem Now I have Windows 10 except program ABBYY FineReader 12 in which Gianna I scan I do not have the capabilities I had in Windows 7 here to add that in Windows 7 and Windows 10 some text files from pdf to some other format such as txt doc dogs NVDA reads capital letters or is in Greek or in English Reads them one by one what I can do thank you all


Speaking or identifying selection in Excel

Luke Davis
 

Hello

I have searched for this but haven't found anything.

If one selects a column or row, or even just a group, of cells in Excel, is there any way to cause NVDA to speak those cells, or at least to identify the range?

The Speak Selection command, which I would expect to do something here, says that nothing is selected.


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Re: Find On Page

Luke Davis
 

Glenn, if you keep forgetting this, go to NVDA's input gestures dialog, and in browse mode gestures, change the key to control+f.

The repeat gesture will still be NVDA+F3.

Luke

Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I have always tried both control + F and then when I remember/rediscover that it doesn't work, I try insert + control + F and that never works right either.
It should take me to the word, and F3 should repeat it, but it does something, but the word is nowhere around my cursor.
--
Luke

"In this life there are obstacles, and forces who overcome obstacles. You can be either one or the other.
If you refuse to even try to clear an obstacle, you become the obstacle."
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