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Re: nvda and browse verses focus mode and submenus: navigation of discord's submenus

Sarah k Alawami
 

Let me try that. I actually did not know that was there. I guess both I and the sighted dev learned somethingn new today lol!

Ok, in doing this, the thign won't route correctly now. I went ton my own server and the curser stays at the top

So it looks like I have to toggle this on, but toggle it off. I don't like that, but it works.

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On 30 Jul 2020, at 9:19, Tony Malykh wrote:

You might want to try "Automatically set system focus to focusable elements off" mode - NVDA+NumRow 8 -it might help prevent autoexpanding menus.

--Tony

On 7/30/2020 8:11 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Sorry about the long ish subject line. I've having a problem with discord where the menus are auto expanding. I'm using the canary version of discord but no one else either seems not to have this issue or this is a bug in nvda 20.x. I'm going to send a video of what happens, but even though the voice is fast it should still be ok.

Basically this is happening:

  1. The submenus are auto expanding.
  2. Left and right arrow are spelling the submenus out

Is there a setting in browse mode that would cause this? I've never seen this before in any app but discord and the stuff member I'm in contact with can't reproduce this on his copy of nvda 2020.
here is the video clip

Again do I have a setting wrong in browse mode? Do the discord people need to code something differently? I think I've stumped the dev I'm in talks with. I don't have any stuck keys as this also happens on my shadow.

--

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Re: microsoft edge saying loading compleat

Roger Stewart
 

If this could be done, I hope it is a toggle as I like to know when the page is completely loaded.
Roger

On 7/30/2020 10:24 AM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
Hay I am using the new Microsoft edge and I was wondering if you could stop nvda from saying loading compleat every time you open or going to a nother web page?  Just let me know



Re: nvda and browse verses focus mode and submenus: navigation of discord's submenus

Tony Malykh
 

You might want to try "Automatically set system focus to focusable elements off" mode - NVDA+NumRow 8 -it might help prevent autoexpanding menus.

--Tony

On 7/30/2020 8:11 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Sorry about the long ish subject line. I've having a problem with discord where the menus are auto expanding. I'm using the canary version of discord but no one else either seems not to have this issue or this is a bug in nvda 20.x. I'm going to send a video of what happens, but even though the voice is fast it should still be ok.

Basically this is happening:

  1. The submenus are auto expanding.
  2. Left and right arrow are spelling the submenus out

Is there a setting in browse mode that would cause this? I've never seen this before in any app but discord and the stuff member I'm in contact with can't reproduce this on his copy of nvda 2020.
here is the video clip

Again do I have a setting wrong in browse mode? Do the discord people need to code something differently? I think I've stumped the dev I'm in talks with. I don't have any stuck keys as this also happens on my shadow.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here


Re: for Joseph Lee

Lino Morales
 

Robert. What seems to be the problem?

On 7/30/2020 5:18 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Joseph Lee says, as much as he wishes to help, he won’t be able to do so until mid-August.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] for Joseph Lee

 

This concerns my new HP pc not liking NVDA. Does your busy schedule allow you time to remote to this pc to get an idea of where the problem lies?

 

******Very funny Scotty ... now beam down my clothes !

 

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Re: I am needing assistance updating to the latest version of NVDA

 

And to add to Mr. Goldfield's advice, if you have an issue running the full installer for NVDA 2020.2, then manually uninstall whatever NVDA you currently have installed via Control Panel, Programs and Features, then trying to install the latest again.  But don't do that first, as an install-over install generally works just fine.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Tutorials for sighted users.

 

Not that I'm aware of.  But I can give some useful input.

Make certain that they have the latest version of NVDA and that they have gone into NVDA settings, Vision, and turned Focus Highlight, with all its options, on.  This is the easiest way for a sighted person not only to know what has focus, but what state NVDA is in on the object with focus.  If they need to, they should print out a brief cheat sheet as to what the outline colors and styles tell them about NVDA state at that moment.

I'm not quite sure which aspect of keyboard navigation you're trying to get someone to "get the hang of," but if it's quick navigation in web browsing the easiest way I've found to do that is to make the tester aware that the capability exists and give them the section from the documentation with those single key commands, and, if possible, walk them through using the most common ones on a web page or two that's fairly typical.  Things like Google Search results, using the H shortcut to move from returned item to returned item, rather than L (which will involve other links not of interest), is a good way to give a brief introduction and to show how those two differ from one another in practice.

Speaking strictly from my own experience in learning screen readers, period, the only way is to play with them and, if possible, with a bit of initial guidance (which I really didn't have) from someone who actually uses one to get across the basics of what one does day to day, and how.  It need not be a long intro, but brute force TABbing around tends to be the navigation of choice only because it's most easily stumbled upon (and it's grossly inefficient).  The web browsing single key navigation shortcuts are very easy to pick up on and use if you are made aware they are there, and someone shows you, when you need to do a "massive jump" from wherever you might be to a button, or checkbox, or whatever, that this can be achieved with much greater ease using those shortcuts than many, many hits of TAB.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


microsoft edge saying loading compleat

Bobby Vinton
 

Hay I am using the new Microsoft edge and I was wondering if you could stop nvda from saying loading compleat every time you open or going to a nother web page?  Just let me know


Tutorials for sighted users.

 

Wasn't sure if this should go in the chat subgroup, but I am looking for tutorials geared towards sighted users of NVDA? I have many sighted people wanting to test with it, but they can't grasp the concept of keyboard navigation. They're still using the mouse to interact. Also, they are tabbing everywhere. Is there a tutorial for testers?


nvda and browse verses focus mode and submenus: navigation of discord's submenus

Sarah k Alawami
 

Sorry about the long ish subject line. I've having a problem with discord where the menus are auto expanding. I'm using the canary version of discord but no one else either seems not to have this issue or this is a bug in nvda 20.x. I'm going to send a video of what happens, but even though the voice is fast it should still be ok.

Basically this is happening:

  1. The submenus are auto expanding.
  2. Left and right arrow are spelling the submenus out

Is there a setting in browse mode that would cause this? I've never seen this before in any app but discord and the stuff member I'm in contact with can't reproduce this on his copy of nvda 2020.
here is the video clip

Again do I have a setting wrong in browse mode? Do the discord people need to code something differently? I think I've stumped the dev I'm in talks with. I don't have any stuck keys as this also happens on my shadow.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

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Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Re: unknown still here

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I recieved no error message. Not even the trace back you mentioned. That is
why I think its the PC itself.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] unknown still here


I'm pretty sure my instructions should've worked. What happened when you
were doing that? Did it traceback or give you another form of error in
the Python console?


On 7/28/2020 1:35 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I just installed the very latest and I am still getting "unknown" in
Google. It announces "google legacy".when I arrow I get no result. It
has to be my pc and i don't know how. It works just fine on my Dell
Latitude.
******Very funny Scotty ... now beam down my clothes !

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Re: I am needing assistance updating to the latest version of NVDA

David Goldfield
 

Betsy,

If you have not already done so I would recommend going to the NVDA Web site and downloading the full installer for 2020.2.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 7/30/2020 1:40 AM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:

I have not seen any responses to my situation I posted earlier today so am assuming I did not name it a clear enough topic since I just responded to a topic I thought would get people's attention. As far as I know I have the latest version of NVDA before the latest one but could not download the latest update. I tried it two different times and got the message that my attempt to update failed. It said something about checking the log but I could not remember how to do that and most likely would not understand what it was saying. I looked at my notes and could not find how to tell which version of NVDA I have but know it is the one before this one because I always update when I am alerted to do so.


I would appreciate any assistance I can receive. Thanks.


I am currently in Oregon so am on PST.




Re: for Joseph Lee

 

Joseph Lee says, as much as he wishes to help, he won’t be able to do so until mid-August.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] for Joseph Lee

 

This concerns my new HP pc not liking NVDA. Does your busy schedule allow you time to remote to this pc to get an idea of where the problem lies?

 

******Very funny Scotty ... now beam down my clothes !

 

Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3


for Joseph Lee

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

This concerns my new HP pc not liking NVDA. Does your busy schedule allow you time to remote to this pc to get an idea of where the problem lies?
 
******Very funny Scotty ... now beam down my clothes !
 
Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3


Re: unknown still here

Tyler Spivey
 

I'm pretty sure my instructions should've worked. What happened when you
were doing that? Did it traceback or give you another form of error in
the Python console?

On 7/28/2020 1:35 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I just installed the very latest and I am still getting "unknown" in
Google. It announces "google legacy".when I arrow I get no result. It
has to be my pc and i don't know how. It works just fine on my Dell
Latitude.
******Very funny Scotty ... now beam down my clothes !
 
Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3


I am needing assistance updating to the latest version of NVDA

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I have not seen any responses to my situation I posted earlier today so am assuming I did not name it a clear enough topic since I just responded to a topic I thought would get people's attention. As far as I know I have the latest version of NVDA before the latest one but could not download the latest update. I tried it two different times and got the message that my attempt to update failed. It said something about checking the log but I could not remember how to do that and most likely would not understand what it was saying. I looked at my notes and could not find how to tell which version of NVDA I have but know it is the one before this one because I always update when I am alerted to do so.


I would appreciate any assistance I can receive. Thanks.


I am currently in Oregon so am on PST.



--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons

 

Hi,

If both machines have identical hardware (down to the video card level), it might be a driver or a software that runs on your HP machine that might be blocking NVDA from retrieving browse mode data. The fact that this happens often in web browsers suggest that NVDA can’t retrieve the necessary information needed to enter browse mode (I’ve seen this a long time ago). In layman’s terms, a part of NVDA will try to “listen in” on what the web browser is doing so it can understand what the web document is like (technical: this is done by remote DLL code injection, which isn’t allowed in newer browsers with security facilities such as Windows Defender Application Guard (WDAG) turned on); these days, NVDA will ask a partner to help it understand how a web document is laid out (technical: with help from IAccessible2 support DLL in newer browsers). The fact that COM registration fixing tool didn’t help suggests a problem deeper than telling Windows to once again use components necessary for NVDA to recognize many controls.

In order to diagnose this, a true remote session would be required (using NVDA Remote add-on), as developers need to know certain things that is happening when a web document loads, or for that matter, we need to know what accessibility API’s are saying regarding screen controls when NVDA says “unknown”. Because the question you just asked has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and because I follow a very strict Remote session protocol (part of which requires user consent), let’s use a different thread.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons

 

joseph, do you know of any reason why NVDA does not work on my new HP Pavillion? This is speaking even of the latest version. I cannot go to web sites nor use the task bar. I have tried the fix it tool with no positive result. Even tyler sent a possible fix but unfortunately it did not work either. I am not sure what information I can send you that might give a clue as to what has gone wrong.

It works fine on my Dell.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:08 PM

Subject: [nvda] Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons

 

Hello everyone,

Although I do encourage feedback about my add-ons on this list, if you have concerns you think should be brought up to me directly, please message me privately (this also includes sending logs that has to do with errors with my add-ons).

 

On behalf of many code contributors outside of NV Access, I would like to welcome you to NVDA 2020.2 era. The biggest highlight from this release is improved productivity – Windows Terminal support, more responsive Windows OneCore synthesizer, and much more. As always, feedback about NVDA 2020.2 is appreciated, and developers are working hard to bring improved user experience and other changes in NVDA 2020.3.

 

A few things to note regarding Joseph Lee’s add-ons now that NVDA 2020.2 stable version came out yesterday:

 

  • All maintained add-ons are compatible with NVDA 2020.2.
  • Add-on Updater: the policy for this add-on is to support the latest stable version only. At the moment NVDA 2020.1 or later is supported, but sometime in September, NVDA 2020.2 will be required to use Add-on Updater.
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures: a few weeks ago I announced that two features will be removed from this add-on: coordinate announcement beep and temporary touch passthrough. These features will be removed in September (20.09 release).
  • StationPlaylist: next week, version 20.08 will be released, containing scoped set of fixes and optimizations from upcoming version 20.09. Along with this, version 20.08 will present a message at startup if you happen to be running Studio 5.20, informing you that upcoming 20.09.x (LTS) will be the last release series to support Studio 5.20. These LTS (long-term support) releases won’t show up until fall. People using later Studio releases won’t have to worry about it, but note the following: sometime in early 2021, StationPlaylist add-on will require NVDA 2020.3 or later due to an important change that affects the graphical user interface of this add-on.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: version 20.08 (requiring NVDA 2020.1 due to add-on support policy) was planned for release next week. However, a showstopper issue was discovered with upcoming Windows 10 Version 20H2 feature update (currently in beta) that necessitates delaying this release until after August Update Tuesday (August 11, 2020) in order to see if the next cumulative update for 20H2 beta resolves it (the showstopper issue has to do with NVDA and Narrator not announcing toast notifications, and Microsoft is aware of this bug). Coupled with the fact that Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 will require NVDA 2020.1 or later, this delay would help more people meet NVDA 2020.2 and provide feedback to NV Access, along with fulfilling a promise I made a few days ago: I will wait two weeks after NVDA 2020.2 shows up prior to releasing the next WinTenApps update.

 

I’m giving you an early heads up so you won’t be caught off-guard and prepare accordingly. I’ll provide details on add-on releases when they show up, starting with StationPlaylist 20.08 next week.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

joseph, do you know of any reason why NVDA does not work on my new HP Pavillion? This is speaking even of the latest version. I cannot go to web sites nor use the task bar. I have tried the fix it tool with no positive result. Even tyler sent a possible fix but unfortunately it did not work either. I am not sure what information I can send you that might give a clue as to what has gone wrong.
It works fine on my Dell.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] Announcement: NVDA 2020.2 and Joseph Lee's add-ons

Hello everyone,

Although I do encourage feedback about my add-ons on this list, if you have concerns you think should be brought up to me directly, please message me privately (this also includes sending logs that has to do with errors with my add-ons).

 

On behalf of many code contributors outside of NV Access, I would like to welcome you to NVDA 2020.2 era. The biggest highlight from this release is improved productivity – Windows Terminal support, more responsive Windows OneCore synthesizer, and much more. As always, feedback about NVDA 2020.2 is appreciated, and developers are working hard to bring improved user experience and other changes in NVDA 2020.3.

 

A few things to note regarding Joseph Lee’s add-ons now that NVDA 2020.2 stable version came out yesterday:

 

  • All maintained add-ons are compatible with NVDA 2020.2.
  • Add-on Updater: the policy for this add-on is to support the latest stable version only. At the moment NVDA 2020.1 or later is supported, but sometime in September, NVDA 2020.2 will be required to use Add-on Updater.
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures: a few weeks ago I announced that two features will be removed from this add-on: coordinate announcement beep and temporary touch passthrough. These features will be removed in September (20.09 release).
  • StationPlaylist: next week, version 20.08 will be released, containing scoped set of fixes and optimizations from upcoming version 20.09. Along with this, version 20.08 will present a message at startup if you happen to be running Studio 5.20, informing you that upcoming 20.09.x (LTS) will be the last release series to support Studio 5.20. These LTS (long-term support) releases won’t show up until fall. People using later Studio releases won’t have to worry about it, but note the following: sometime in early 2021, StationPlaylist add-on will require NVDA 2020.3 or later due to an important change that affects the graphical user interface of this add-on.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: version 20.08 (requiring NVDA 2020.1 due to add-on support policy) was planned for release next week. However, a showstopper issue was discovered with upcoming Windows 10 Version 20H2 feature update (currently in beta) that necessitates delaying this release until after August Update Tuesday (August 11, 2020) in order to see if the next cumulative update for 20H2 beta resolves it (the showstopper issue has to do with NVDA and Narrator not announcing toast notifications, and Microsoft is aware of this bug). Coupled with the fact that Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 will require NVDA 2020.1 or later, this delay would help more people meet NVDA 2020.2 and provide feedback to NV Access, along with fulfilling a promise I made a few days ago: I will wait two weeks after NVDA 2020.2 shows up prior to releasing the next WinTenApps update.

 

I’m giving you an early heads up so you won’t be caught off-guard and prepare accordingly. I’ll provide details on add-on releases when they show up, starting with StationPlaylist 20.08 next week.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Two problems with NVDA 2020.2

Ron Canazzi
 

Hello:

I cannot confirm the issue with the desktop icons. 2020.2 works just as it should.  The issue with read to end has been around for a while. It seems to be dependent on a lot of things including length of document, formatting and so on.

This is with Windowx 10 version 2004 Eloquence synth from AT Guys SAPI 5 version.



On 7/29/2020 5:41 AM, Gloomy_Apple wrote:
Hello all!

   I have just finally moved on from the NVDA 2019.2 version and updated to the newest one. However now I'm having two problems with it. I'm pretty sure that the first one has been already mentioned in the group though in regard to a different version, but can't find the topic for the life of me so apologies if this is repetitive.

   1: I have the "Speak Typed Characters" option on most of the time, and now after the update, when I'm on the desktop and navigating to a specific icon by its first letter, NVDA will only say the letter but not the name of the icon afterwards. I've heard that this was a problem in the 2019.3 version with older speech synths however I'm using Acapela (for Sapi5, not for NVDA) so was quite surprised to see this problem. I turned the Speak Typed Characters option off for now but if this is something I can fix myself, I'd really appreciate any advice.

   2: When using the NVDA+Down Arrow to read continuously, NVDA will stop after a while. I assume that it stops when reaching the end of a paragraph, or before a heading.

   Are these just some bugs in this version that will be removed later or is it something that I can get back to working properly as someone who's not extremely techy? Do you guys have any suggestions how to deal with this.

   Best wishes.

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: how do I silence the "space" bar?

abdul muhamin
 

You can use global plugin for NVDA, it has a lot of functionality which makes it unique. Get it from

here

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 2:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do I silence the "space" bar?

 

thanks, I'll definitely look into this.

 

Curtis Delzer

HS

K 6 V F O

Rialto, CA

 

curtis@...

 

On 7/29/2020 2:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The first thing that springs to mind is using one of the speech

> dictionaries, presuming you have letters being pronounced, and

> substitute the space character with no replacement.

>

> Since you mention "many applications" that implies "not all."  You may

> want to use application profiles as part of this, but I'm not quite

> clear at the moment how that would be tied in with dictionaries, which I

> believe are independent of the application profile being used, but I

> could be wrong.

>

> --

>

> Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

>

> */Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its

> platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth./*

>

> ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine

> Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/

> <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September

> 23, 2019

>

>

 

 

 


Re: Using the num pad keys to review text

Gene
 

I should say that I suspect many people don't understand why they can seem to review text with numpad 4 and 6 in NVDA in the same way as JAWS but that the cursor doesn't move when they experiment during the transition from JAWS to NVDA.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text

I suspect a lot of people don't realize why numpad 4 and 6 do what they do
when using JAWS. I doubt your friend understands that 4 and 6 will often
seem to review text in the same way in NVDA but that the cursor will not
move. That's why I made my point. Many people transitioning from JAWS to
NVEDA may find when experimenting that Numpad 4 and 6 seem to do the same
thing, but they don't.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Governor staten
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text



We sorted that little bit out. Thanks for extra information.












On 7/29/2020 5:34 PM, Gene wrote:
Also, switch to object review before you open Word so the object navigator
will track the cursor properly.

I should add that I'm using an older version of Word and I don't know if
newer versions will work this way with NVDA, but I suspect they will.

Also, adding to Joseph Lee's comment, it is important to understand the
following points:
in JAWS, when you use numpad 4 and 6, you are doing exactly the same thing
as when you use the left and right arrow keys on the main keyboard. When
you are in the pc cursor, JAWS doesn't do anything to change the function of
numpad 4 and 6. Whether JAWS or no screen-reader is running, 4 and 6
duplicate the left and right arrow keys unless a program takes them over.
This is a Windows design. If the person wants exactly the same response as
with JAWS, he should use the main arrow keys on the keyboard. Also, if you
use 4 and 6 in NVDA's object navigation mode, you are moving the object
navigator, not the cursor. The person expects the cursor to move when he
uses numpad 4 and 6 in JAWS. It won't in NVDA.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text

check to see which mode you are in. You needd to be in object review, not
screen review for the commands you are discussing to work when you are in
Word, according to the very little testing I just did, based on your
question.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Governor staten
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using the num pad keys to review text

This issue refers to the same friend of mine who has issues with his
Braille display. I say that only as reference. I don't see these issues
as linked.


He has opened a word document. He cannot use the numpad 4 and 6 keys to
review text, like with Jaws. Is this expected functionality or is there
something I've forgotten to tell my friend to help him better? When I
open a word document and attempt to read word for word using numpad 4
and 6, I get the same result he does. I don't see any of the text in the
document, but, the name of the document and menu options.