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Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Had this with waterfox today.

Reboot your router then your computer.

Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run till you cycle power.

On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
Hi,

I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.

Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
message there was a problem loading page.

If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
problem.

This happens with any web site I try.

If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Stephen



Re: NVDA 2018.2.1: cannot install on Windows 10 (1803)

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Are the files created, and can the exe be run from the program files x86 folder?
If yes then its the old shortcut problem again. I've not seen this in older windows systems.

What happens if you run it portably, presumably this mostly still works or you would not have a log to show us.

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From: "Ali Savas" <ali-savas@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2.1: cannot install on Windows 10 (1803)


Hi,


I have problems installing NVDA on my Windows 10 (1803) system. Here is the Protocol:


--Begin Log---

INFO - __main__ (10:56:13.446):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.956):
Config dir: C:\Users\asa\AppData\Local\Temp\nsx12D3.tmp\app\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:56:13.956):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
NVDA version 2018.2.1
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:56:14.440):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (10:56:14.440):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:56:14.450):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (10:56:14.450):
Using liblouis version 3.5.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:56:14.450):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (10:56:14.496):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:56:14.496):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (10:56:14.946):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 14860 (nvda_slave.exe) (10:56:40.426):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 42, in main
File "installer.pyo", line 423, in install
File "installer.pyo", line 236, in registerInstallation
File "installer.pyo", line 57, in createShortcut
File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyo", line 218, in __setattr__
File "comtypes\automation.pyo", line 729, in _invoke
COMError: (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (10:56:40.446):
Installation failed: 1

---EndLog---


Can anybody help me please?


With best regards from Germany

Ali



Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Well being opensource we have the chance to catch up.

No corperate burocracy for one thing.

Its just users and devs in a couple levels.

No one gets sued if you screw up, no one is spending resources suing anyone else.

No pirating, its free software, those that can work work those that can help, help, those that want to be well bad are but thats the way it goes sometimes.

True, the average user is not payed for his time but neither is he hired or fired either.

Dolphin is just moving to chrome now.

Jaws has firefox and things but we have a better chance of catching up.

And because nvaccess is a charity we have pritty ensured ourselves as an access group that we can't easily be included in the corperate monster race, put it this way, if the world were to end tomorrow and go boom as long as there were enough of us alive and active we would continue apocolipse or not.

The rest, well the ting is, we don't have the structures everyone in comercial arieas have, so if things go we can come back easily enough.

On 7/19/2018 9:38 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
You might catch up, whether it will be quickly or not is another matter. There's a lot more that NVDA needs to do to come close to JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 21:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Well nvda is not jaws, the only reason jaws is better than nvda is its older than us and thats just about it.

But I think we will get there.

We have a scripting language which is a standard language that people use, we use standard libraries and formats, there is no custom company proprietry code anywhere.

Saying that, nvda was built for the cloud and web systems a lot of the newer apps handle well with it.

Universal we are not there just yet but we are damn close now to that.

Jaws is older, we don't have what jaws has right now so jaws is still better than nvda but we will catch up, and quickly.




On 7/19/2018 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
That is not true. There are many cases where JAWS is superior for business uses and where the user can define things that may mean the difference between immediate productivity or waiting for someone to develop an NVDA script.

You can't create frames in NVDA. That is essential for a product that would be represented as on a par with JAWS for business and academic and other specialized uses.

You can't redefine structures such as something that presents itself as a list and you want it represented as something else to get proper functionality.

You don't have the control over how much is spoken automatically as you do with JAWS. That is, there is no screen echo setting as there is in JAWS. At times, such a setting is very valuable.

I helped a woman who was using a VPN for medical transcribing from home. I defined frames that read specific things, such as only the relevant lines of screens and only when needed such as announcing very specific text on the log in screens. I don't remember if I had the frames do anything else such as move the cursor to the proper fields.

This kind of bashing is inaccurate and is ideological. Many of the features people use daily and love in NVDA were either developed in JAWS or refined there. Don't disparage the sholders of those who developed screen-readers and made invaluable contribution to their general design that NVDA stands on.

None of which is to say that NVDA isn't a powerful screen-reader. It is. But there are certain uses where JAWS is still superior and that superiority may mean the difference between employment or not in some settings.

Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:03 AM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA


Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Mallard
 

I.E.?


Just curious, since I haven't used Jawssince 2009...

Il 19/07/2018 11:38, Steve Nutt ha scritto:
You might catch up, whether it will be quickly or not is another matter. There's a lot more that NVDA needs to do to come close to JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 21:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Well nvda is not jaws, the only reason jaws is better than nvda is its older than us and thats just about it.

But I think we will get there.

We have a scripting language which is a standard language that people use, we use standard libraries and formats, there is no custom company proprietry code anywhere.

Saying that, nvda was built for the cloud and web systems a lot of the newer apps handle well with it.

Universal we are not there just yet but we are damn close now to that.

Jaws is older, we don't have what jaws has right now so jaws is still better than nvda but we will catch up, and quickly.




On 7/19/2018 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
That is not true. There are many cases where JAWS is superior for business uses and where the user can define things that may mean the difference between immediate productivity or waiting for someone to develop an NVDA script.

You can't create frames in NVDA. That is essential for a product that would be represented as on a par with JAWS for business and academic and other specialized uses.

You can't redefine structures such as something that presents itself as a list and you want it represented as something else to get proper functionality.

You don't have the control over how much is spoken automatically as you do with JAWS. That is, there is no screen echo setting as there is in JAWS. At times, such a setting is very valuable.

I helped a woman who was using a VPN for medical transcribing from home. I defined frames that read specific things, such as only the relevant lines of screens and only when needed such as announcing very specific text on the log in screens. I don't remember if I had the frames do anything else such as move the cursor to the proper fields.

This kind of bashing is inaccurate and is ideological. Many of the features people use daily and love in NVDA were either developed in JAWS or refined there. Don't disparage the sholders of those who developed screen-readers and made invaluable contribution to their general design that NVDA stands on.

None of which is to say that NVDA isn't a powerful screen-reader. It is. But there are certain uses where JAWS is still superior and that superiority may mean the difference between employment or not in some settings.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:03 AM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA


Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
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Re: Motorola & Blackberry phones

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Blackberry is android too now and yes they have keyboards. When i asked here in the uk, I was told Motorola phones do not have keys.
Bit off topic for here but fully realise this is a spin off thread from the skype problems in windows thread.
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Motorola & Blackberry phones


Dear Shaun & List:
Yes, the Motorola phones are Android, so have the android voice.
There was a speech package for blackberry phones, not sure if it is still being developed or actively marketed. Blackberry has some loyal fans, however has lost much market share. Was the most secure phone available at one time, not sure if it still is?
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Hmmm hold on, Motorola still make keyboarded phones?

Are these android or what, what models and what is the access like?

What is blackberry access like?




On 7/19/2018 2:44 PM, Brian K. Lingard wrote:
Dear Eleni & List:

You do not have to use a touch screen to have a smart Phone.

Motorola makes smart phones with an actual keypad and so does
Blackberry.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
-

It does not matter to me if something is popular, as long as it is accessible.
Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that they would
use what works for me? I am not going to use something that works
horribly to please everyone else. I do not need stereo recording, as
long as the sound is clear. I usually avoid echo cancellation and
noise suppression, as I prefer Omnidirectional microphones which
capture everything, a and which have a Good, full sound. I am used
to everything from records to mp3 at no more Than 128 kbps and
Sometimes less, so I do not need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Team talk to prevent it
from being extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying WhatsApp, but I don't know how
well the Web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although
I got it to Work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy felt transferring. I hate dealing with Windows
Explorer in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. I wish this
one feature existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it was not designed
for that purpose. I think Team talk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between Team Talk and Team Speak?

I do not own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a Hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I would not use it
for talking, as it uses many data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so
bad you cannot use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas
team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a
stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played
around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have many rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to
an Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my
stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum
Connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to
the devil AKA MS. V 4X had great audio. MS broke it.

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*Subject:* Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 - Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for
voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't
have. I have used zoom, and I see zero difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression
enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
If I were a podcaster, I would use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I
standby what I said. The audio is crap.

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September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It is not zoom quality but I can
understand what’s being said, and if I can do my job still I'll
take it. I actually love skype and I do use it on my podcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>>
wrote:
The audio quality is crap. Team Talk is better for what you want to
do.

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*Subject:*Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -
I am not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can
figure out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that
would be great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok.
Granted, I do not like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...
<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -
I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great
software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their
software, especially when it is not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of
regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly. Granted, I do not really like the
interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it is better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop! I tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than I
liked all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible
alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...
<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Ribbons depending how they are handled especially if you know the sequence of keys are not all that bad, its just I don't know where all the fuctions are in windows and well menus were easier to find things but thats about it.

On 7/19/2018 9:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
To me about the only thing I'd like to port from Jaws is the ability to use old fashioned menus as a kind of fudge for us old time windows users.
I suggest before slagging all and sundry off in this thread. people go and listen and make their own minds up what the guy was meaning. I am keeping out of any my this is better than your that discussion as I was only flagging up the podcast out of interest. whether sys admins like open source or not is an issue for all, but not really too relevant here. It is an issue certainly if in employment, but you do not change minds by arguing here, you change minds by having a go at the organisations concerned.
  Over and out.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA


Oh come on. I’ve not ben using  freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff  and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Well with 7 discontinued and it all going on the new universal system and mobile thing that its 1 single platform to worry about and if we all run on the same footing in theory things will be improved its like starting from version 1 again.

I don't know if I would say ms won't, but I am always warey of what microsoft actually does and if it is going to work even though they are trying to change their image.

On 7/19/2018 9:25 PM, ChrisLeo wrote:
Hi.
I think that this version 8.x is the worst of all previous versions, I hope in a substantial improvements by Microsoft.

There are a few things that I do not understand:

why use a layout like a smartphone interface on a app for desktop pc?

What is the fastest way to chat with more than one person at the same time?

Also, about share audio, it seems that now you can not share only audio.
We can share only video, video and audio, but not only audio.

I agree with Cristóbal, this sounds as a pointless step backwards.

Cheers,

Chris.

Cristóbal, 19/07/2018 02:10:
SO anyway, to answer my own question since it seems no one had the answer.
The actual command to answer an incoming call with Skype 8.x desktop is control plus shift plus P. This was listed in the link I provided as the command to start a call.
Still though, it seems you have to be in the Skype window to execute any of these commands. Be it answer, hang up, mute, etc. This is a rather needless annoyance since before, the hotkeys were universal no matter where you may have been in the machine.
It may seem like a minor thing, but I often work in different virtual desktops with lots of programs and windows open at the same time and having to scramble to get to the right window/desktop and then perform the action when before a simple alt plus pg up or pg down worked fine comes off as a pointless step backwards.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

ctrl d also opens the dial pad.

On 7/18/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Have a look down the bottom you can quickly jump down by B for buttons
until you get to use dial pad then arrow down. There will be 4 tabs
there one is chats then press the enter key on it then arrow down. it
will have chats there old and new  from people.


I would have to have a look under contacts and see if you can get the
chat stuff from that person as well.


hope this helps.


Gene nz


On 7/19/2018 8:18 AM, Mark wrote:
Hi can anyone tell  me how to
Read old messages from the same person Using skype 8 for desktop Mark.

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From: Sarah k Alawami<mailto:marrie12@...>
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:06
To: Nvda List<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of
some scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol!

Go to
skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com<http://skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com/> and subscribe there.

As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button
and whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on keystrokes.
I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the
interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might
not work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.


On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Cristóbal
<cristobalmuli@...<mailto:cristobalmuli@...>> wrote:

As I mentioned, I am using Skype for desktop.

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<nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi

Which version are you using?

My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it
also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial
for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to
accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.


Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much
like skype 8

Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You
figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it
that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already
existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t
updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
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<nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it
is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.
I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.


I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i
use voip alot now.

Gene nz





On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i
-use-them-in-skype What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an
incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic
function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up,
mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing
something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal











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Re: looking for some good partission soft ware

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I think one of the issues is that most of this sort of software has to work outside of windows, so the only way i can think this might work is for some kind of software to allow entry of the parameters in windows, then write a script from it and run its software before windows restarts and then exit and re run windows. i can see a lot of issues here if you make any mistakes!
I've no come across any thus far, but something like this would be very handy.
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Subject: [nvda] looking for some good partission soft ware


Hay I was wondering if you know of a good partition soft ware that works with nvda and is free?



Re: possible eloquence solution

 

Thats true, I can agree with comercial synths by their vary nature can't be portable unless you have their pen versions probably.

Then again on my systems I work on comercial synths are not my friend, on my workstation yes but not on others.

Espeak crappy that it is, is what I use on my admin systems, so I may as well use crappy so I get used to it so its not a shock when I use it, when I need high quality I do use it but I don't need it most of the time.

On 7/19/2018 9:25 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

You can understand that. Someone could make a portable copy on any Drive D, get a copy of Eloquence and have it speak for free, if it were allowed to speak on unlicenced machines.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Wells
Sent: 18 July 2018 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

The other major issue for me with using Authorized Eloquence is accessing NVDA Portable. If Eloquence is the default synthesizer in the portable NVDA, it won't speak on an unlicensed machine. This also goes for Nuance high-quality voices.


On 7/18/2018 3:23 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
My issue and my only issue with product activation licences in general
is the fact that depending how they are constructed ie eloquence, that
you have to deactivate it on each major update, thats fine in reality
however because there is a 6 month basically new os update it gets a
bit well annoying there should be a way to assign a licence to your
machine or in the case of win10 an account or something.

And it doesn't have to be like that.

For example windows manages to stay activated on each system update.

Mostly.

Then again maybe its not happened to me.

I have had on my cloud system I admin to reactivate the icloud and
some other accounts whenever I update my bios for example but still
everything stays up.

I also have issues where machines and licences have a 3 unit limit, in
a bit of software I use for dvd extraction, you assign your machine to
an id from an account online, if that changes you have to reassign
that machine to the single id but at least you can do it yourself as
many times as you need.




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Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up.
So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the
same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease
of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and
download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s
and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: NVDA and Website Acessibility?

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If you disable the auto pdf reading in the browser it should prompt you for an action and I tend to go with download then I can look at the pdf and see what exactly it is in any software at my leisure.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Website Acessibility?


Hi NVDA Users,

Are there any services that knowingly test or rate websites or third
parties that provide services for websites such as those that offer
educational opportunities?

I was taking a distance learning course through a US University, free
of charge, but could not access the PDF documents, or uploaded work by
other classmates that we were to review and comment on.

I could not find a given link for support on this particular website.
Things were in levels, and were difficult to maintain in focus.
I notice a similar pattern with other websites, but it can be
rectified by directly going to a specific link when going to the
website itself by typing it in at the back end of the address.
This course does not allow for similar action. I consider it to thus
be nearly inaccessible.

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Re: possible eloquence solution

 

I actually think that could be a bennifit if used properly.

Ofcause if you just bandy hate about its not.

An example, I was doing research testing hardware and braille concepts.

The first version was horrible, a lot of things were totally wrong and unusable, and I just said it like it was, and yes I did actually hate it.

They listened to me and later versions after an initial rewrite didn't have the issues, after 3 revisions there are almost no issues with the system now used, sometimes there are a few things, a feature here, a function there, ofcause since the system runs on about 2-5 platforms at once depending on the project at least 2 of them are used at the same time and mostly have communication issues.

Its a problem, if words like freedom sciencefiction, failnote, elocrash and other such hatefull words are bandied about.

The work I was doing was for a university, and not a big corperate monster but then those places can be linked with big companies, military and governments so the fact they listen is probably the key.

I don't sugar coat anything if its crap, then I tell them its crap, and I tell them its just broken and where and that its not usable and it needs fixing.

I've also been in that situation to.

Servicing a machine the person told me what was wrong, except he left out crucial information how screwed it really was.

Sure software wize it had issues and I fixed them but hardware wize it not only had something that was not compatible or insecure but the component was so old the manufacturer no longer existed.

I would prefur a sweary rant at my face no how crappy x thing is instead of a suggary sweet thing, because if I don't know how bad it is I won't be able to acurately do anything about it.

Sadly not everyone runs that way which could be a problem in of itself.

On 7/19/2018 9:20 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you. What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?


All the best


STeve


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.





On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@... <mailto:joshknnd1982@...> > wrote:


Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.







Re: Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply

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Is this Imap or pop3?
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From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply


Hi Cearbhall,

I have not encountered this. Do you have the option to save sent e-mail in
the "sent items" folder checked?

As others have suggested, the drafts folder is another place to check.
Pranav



Re: NVDA 2018.2.1: cannot install on Windows 10 (1803)

Felix G.
 

Hi!
To make sure it's not a localization issue, can you set your NVDA to English then try installing again?
IMPORTANT: I am not referring to the speech synthesizer, but to the NVDA language in the general preferences.
Best,
Felix

Ali Savas <ali-savas@...> schrieb am Do., 19. Juli 2018 um 11:12 Uhr:

Hi,


I have problems installing NVDA on my Windows 10 (1803) system. Here is
the Protocol:


--Begin Log---

INFO - __main__ (10:56:13.446):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.956):
Config dir: C:\Users\asa\AppData\Local\Temp\nsx12D3.tmp\app\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:56:13.956):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
NVDA version 2018.2.1
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17)
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:56:14.440):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (10:56:14.440):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:56:14.450):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (10:56:14.450):
Using liblouis version 3.5.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:56:14.450):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (10:56:14.496):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:56:14.496):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (10:56:14.946):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 14860 (nvda_slave.exe) (10:56:40.426):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 42, in main
   File "installer.pyo", line 423, in install
   File "installer.pyo", line 236, in registerInstallation
   File "installer.pyo", line 57, in createShortcut
   File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyo", line 218, in __setattr__
   File "comtypes\automation.pyo", line 729, in _invoke
COMError: (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (10:56:40.446):
Installation failed: 1

---EndLog---


Can anybody help me please?


With best regards from Germany

Ali





Help Edge keeps refreshing

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi,

I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.

Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
message there was a problem loading page.

If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
problem.

This happens with any web site I try.

If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Stephen


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

You might catch up, whether it will be quickly or not is another matter. There's a lot more that NVDA needs to do to come close to JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 21:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Well nvda is not jaws, the only reason jaws is better than nvda is its older than us and thats just about it.

But I think we will get there.

We have a scripting language which is a standard language that people use, we use standard libraries and formats, there is no custom company proprietry code anywhere.

Saying that, nvda was built for the cloud and web systems a lot of the newer apps handle well with it.

Universal we are not there just yet but we are damn close now to that.

Jaws is older, we don't have what jaws has right now so jaws is still better than nvda but we will catch up, and quickly.




On 7/19/2018 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
That is not true. There are many cases where JAWS is superior for business uses and where the user can define things that may mean the difference between immediate productivity or waiting for someone to develop an NVDA script.

You can't create frames in NVDA. That is essential for a product that would be represented as on a par with JAWS for business and academic and other specialized uses.

You can't redefine structures such as something that presents itself as a list and you want it represented as something else to get proper functionality.

You don't have the control over how much is spoken automatically as you do with JAWS. That is, there is no screen echo setting as there is in JAWS. At times, such a setting is very valuable.

I helped a woman who was using a VPN for medical transcribing from home. I defined frames that read specific things, such as only the relevant lines of screens and only when needed such as announcing very specific text on the log in screens. I don't remember if I had the frames do anything else such as move the cursor to the proper fields.

This kind of bashing is inaccurate and is ideological. Many of the features people use daily and love in NVDA were either developed in JAWS or refined there. Don't disparage the sholders of those who developed screen-readers and made invaluable contribution to their general design that NVDA stands on.

None of which is to say that NVDA isn't a powerful screen-reader. It is. But there are certain uses where JAWS is still superior and that superiority may mean the difference between employment or not in some settings.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:03 AM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA


Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi jean,

 

I can speak personally to this.

 

NVDA often crashes badly in Outlook 2016.  Since I live in Outlook for work, JAWS crashes far less, so what one am I going to use?

 

Also, several programs I use for work are third party with custom windows and NVDA won’t touch them, sometimes even in object nav mode.

 

So I echo wholeheartedly what you say.  NVDA is indeed a powerful screen reader, and I appreciate it every day.  But it is not yet anywhere near as configurable as JAWS, if you know the JAWS UI and scripting.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 July 2018 21:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

That is not true.  There are many cases where JAWS is superior for business uses and where the user can define things that may mean the difference between immediate productivity or waiting for someone to develop an NVDA script.

 

You can't create frames in NVDA.  That is essential for a product that would be represented as on a par with JAWS for business and academic and other specialized uses. 

 

You can't redefine structures such as something that presents itself as a list and you want it represented as something else to get proper functionality.

 

You don't have the control over how much is spoken automatically as you do with JAWS. That is, there is no screen echo setting as there is in JAWS.  At times, such a setting is very valuable.

 

I helped a woman who was using a VPN for medical transcribing from home.  I defined frames that read specific things, such as only the relevant lines of screens and only when needed such as announcing very specific text on the log in screens.  I don't remember if I had the frames do anything else such as move the cursor to the proper fields.

 

This kind of bashing is inaccurate and is ideological.  Many of the features people use daily and love in NVDA were either developed in JAWS or refined there.  Don't disparage the sholders of those who developed screen-readers and made invaluable contribution to their general design that NVDA stands on.

 

None of which is to say that NVDA isn't a powerful screen-reader.  It is.  But there are certain uses where JAWS is still superior and that superiority may mean the difference between employment or not in some settings.

 

Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Oh come on. I’ve not ben using  freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I  either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff  and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

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To me about the only thing I'd like to port from Jaws is the ability to use old fashioned menus as a kind of fudge for us old time windows users.
I suggest before slagging all and sundry off in this thread. people go and listen and make their own minds up what the guy was meaning. I am keeping out of any my this is better than your that discussion as I was only flagging up the podcast out of interest. whether sys admins like open source or not is an issue for all, but not really too relevant here. It is an issue certainly if in employment, but you do not change minds by arguing here, you change minds by having a go at the organisations concerned.
Over and out.
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Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

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I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Well, yeah, nvda's strong point is web apps, its why I use thunderbird.

And to some extent universal apps.

Its probably why I will probably try to get into the new skype and yeah nvda will probably run better with that.

Some of the more traditional apps games like smuglers and other older apps need traditional screen readers like jaws to run right.

The fact is the world is going mobile and web and thats the way things will go.

Its not all bad, its a pain sure but probably for a lot of us blind people me included that are traditionalists.

If like me you were born into dos, win3 then win 9x then xp then vista and 7 and up to now, using a keyboard, and not touchscreens still with a symbian phone, etc then this is probably why we have issues transitioning from older things.

I know blind friends born after the new systems, they don't have issues or dislikes of things as us I guess old farts have, I guess I could class myself as one of those now.

While I am not apposed to change as such I struggle to do so especially when I have been doing x y z for years and see no point bar that everything else is moving when I am basically staying still.

On 7/19/2018 9:19 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

Depends on your definition of experience. For me, NVDA is still not configurable enough for third party apps. You can use object nav and all that but you can't even reclass windows.

I won't go on any more about that, I've done it to death, but if all you want to do is home stuff, then NVDA is fine.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: possible eloquence solution

 

Well yeah, I want keynote gold sapi and keynote gold in nvda, but humanware aint gona release it to us old timers so espeak will have to do.

But yeah, can you imagine something like keynote but actually sounding like one of those human sounding voices, dectalk almost managed it.

Vocaliser, sort of does, windows one core does but has speed issues, espeak probably tries.

As for you not liking it, yeah, I guess I just don't notice it, espeak was on linux and as long as I understand what I am typing I really don't give a damnation at all.

True, reading a book sucks as does playing games with it but then I wouldn't do that with dectalk, eloquence or any of the sapi4 synths because they just are not designed for that stuff for me.

As a system admin, I don't need quality, most of my job needs responsiveness, and things can and do crash, I can't have introduced delays with my system, and then the synth and then the resources used then have to find where things screwed themselves over.

Most of the time when servicing I service and it runs.

But if its something complex, from removing viruses, to user generated issues because of either dodgy or over zellous security software I don't need nice, I don't need fast, I just need sound, and what ever crappy junky something I can throw together to get it working.

But its all depending on prospective.

My work revolves round the net, email, the web, a few documents but hardly any of that I don't need to read books or reports either.

If I am not gaming then I am stuck in a console or inside an app, and unless I need to reformat and or install, I have whatever it is running a task and most of the time it works.

The only time I come close to even bothering with anything approaching real work bar website and software testing, is if a user loads something on which is malware because they want to emulate a function, and if thats not in my database I then have to search the net for it but yeah I have a bit of a simple job mostly, boring but simple.

On 7/19/2018 9:14 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
God I wish it were as good as Keynote, that was excellent, but Espeak isn't. Voice lisping, bad formant pronunciation and all kinds of things with Espeak. Can you tell I don't like it?

All the best

Steve

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Sent: 18 July 2018 09:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

Espeak is good enough, it reminds me of the keynote and its quite good.

Bar my phone eloquence never interested me, nuance actually tried to write a 16 bit eloquence, but I doubt bar improving the quality of the voices, so you hear a 8 bit synth digitally orgmented to a 16 bit one, which just sounds crappy because it is obvious that the convert doesn't sound right at all.

Dectalk is another, but to be honest, orpheus1 was my prefered synth, after that, espeak the first one.

Vocaliser and realspeak were my synths of choice and if I hadn't pulled that off a server a friend had ages ago I would never have any advanced tts, they are just to expensive for sapi.

At least the third party stuff is.

But the robotic crap while not good for reading its low resource and quite usefull for just about everything else.

The higher non crappy stuff is fine for reading but put it on a slower system, and its almost not even worth running it long term.




On 7/18/2018 7:09 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak
is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain
Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use
a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason,
mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that
I don't want.


I can't win.



On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up.
So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the
same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease
of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and
download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s
and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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