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Re: Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

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Yes would it not be great if software manufactures simply made their software screenreader compatible in the first place... sigh.
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From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such


Yes, I think it would be useful for the NvAccess site to have a list of available scripters and their locations, and then state agencies would have a resource to contact for such things.
I work for a state agency, and I hate it when people bash state agencies without knowing how things work for such things.
Granted, some staff who don't use screenreaders can't possibly remember all the solutions, although they should, they don't, so they think only of the one solution that is most common.
But I have brought up the topic of NVDA as a solution in the workplace, and then the issue of scripting comes up.

Glenn

Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:50 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

Hi,
I'm starting a brand new thread that should provide a space to talk about add-on development, including contract work, Python and such.

Cheers,
Joseph


Re: Problem with Firefox - maybe use Edge instead?

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What about Waterfox?
I'm not sure how come you lost bookmarks, this sounds a little bit like something in FF got currupted, but in my experience FF has a good recovery and fix system that normally sorts it out.
I now use waterfox as its just more reliable than Firefox and all my old add ons work in it, it also imported all the firefox bookmarks without any issues.
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From: "Morne van der Merwe" <mornevdmerwe@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: "'Andre Vosloo'" <andre.vosloo@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problem with Firefox - maybe use Edge instead?


Good day list,



This is going to be a quite lengthy email. I will describe my problem as
best as I can. I'm running the latest version of NVDA as well as the laters
version of Windows 10.



I downloaded Firefox extended version and installed it on my computer. I
saved quite an amount of bookmarks. Last week I did something wrong and
Firefox wasn't my default browser anymore. I went to my list of default
programs in settings, but couldn't find Firefox there. Not even my sighted
wife didn't find it. I went on Mozilla's page and the solution I found was
to uninstall Firefox and reinstall it again - which I did. After
reinstalling, I ended up with a folder on my desktop called "Old Firefox
data."



Now I get to the problem. Before I uninstalled Firefox, I got 36 bookmarks
saved. After the reinstallation, I bookmarked 3 new webpages. They are not
listed among the 36 bookmarks. However, when I hit enter on "show all
bookmarks", then I find the last three bookmarks. Only those three are in
"show all bookmarks". All my other bookmarks is outside that folder.



Then I tried Edge. But when I open Edge and press the alt-key to open the
menu of Edge, nothing happens.



Can somebody help me with the Firefox issue? Or is it better to start using
Edge? I personally find Edge more rresponsive. On the other hand, all my
bookmarks are in Firefox.



Any help would be apreciated.



Kind regards

Morné


Re: MSFT Edge

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Which begs the question, that has bothered me for some time.
What is the difference between rss, and podcasting. It seems to me that the idea of checking a page for an update to certain pages via some service like feedburner or whatever is common to both, its just that rss is web sites, and podcasts are other media types. I am sure on some applications I have seen podcast fetchers that do rss as well, and wandered if anyone know if this was a practical thing to try?
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From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] MSFT Edge


Hi,

I believe Edge does not support RSS at this time, although I haven't looked
deeply in Edge for a few days.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MSFT Edge



Hi Joseph,

Please any idea how to use RSS in Edge? I am directing the question to you
as I haven't gotten any suggestions on the topic. Edge is becoming more
responsive with NVDA and loads much faster. I am considering making it my
default browser.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 2:28 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@...
<mailto:nvda-devel@...> >
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials add-on: compatible with wxPython
4, version 18.10 to require NVDA 2018.3 or later, other Win10 goodies



Hi all,



Before I go any further, I'd like to announce that Windows 10 App Essentials
add-on is compatible with wxPython 4.



Version hopping for the third time this year: if I'm not mistaken, NVDA
2018.3 may include several important features from Windows 10 App Essentials
add-on into NVDA Core. Due to this, starting from add-on version 18.10
stable, NVDA 2018.3 or later will be required.



The following are features migrating from this add-on to the NVDA screen
reader:



* Basic support for IUIAutomation6 interface (Windows 10 Redstone 5).
* NVDA will recognize and read contents of more dialogs in Windows 10
(especially on Redstone 5) and various apps, including dialogs found in
various universal apps.



In addition to this, recent changes for Windows 10 ecosystem support
include:



* In Microsoft Edge, aria-roledescription text is recognized.
* Espeak NG will read emoji characters.



Possible features to be included if pull request review passes:



* Native support for various modern input features, including emoji
panel, dictation, hardware input suggestions, and cloud clipboard. If the
review (currently in progress) passes, this will mean you don't have to use
Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to use these features, as NVDA itself will
support them out of the box.
* In Microsoft Edge, more notifications, including aria-role=alert
will be announced (review has been requested).



Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi,

I also can help with free space on a webserver where a wiki can be installed and where access via ftp/sftp is possible. I can also install a seperate jail on a system if things ar needed which arent available on the normal webserver. Just let me know what you need and I will see if I can set it up.
Cheers,

Schoepp

On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 09:06:05 +0800, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi Joseph. I actually have a web hosting plan which I have not used
because of various work and family reasons which doesn't permit me
the time to develop my site. It has two more years to run, so rather
than let it go to waste, and if you and the developers are
interested, write me off list and we can make the arrangements.
There will be no cost involved, just a little gesture to the
community for doing such great and wonderful work for all of us.
Cheers!

On 20/7/2018 2:53 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:
Dear all,

the certification from NV Access is a very good opportunity to learn
NVDA and become an expert to provide support. However, for
developing add-ons a separate certification would be necessary.
NV Access has a list of contributors, in the NVDA menu / help /
contributors. But a list of scripter / programers needs to be
updated which is not very simple.

I think the solution is to organize kind of boot camps in your local
region / local country where programers can learn how to use github,
how to read NVDA’s internals and NVDA’s code ans so on.
We have lots of tutorials in inglish on how to do it. But the most
tutorials are not popular because they are only on github. We need a
separate platform only for NVDA Wikis, where people are not
distracted by the huge amount of other functions. This wiki platform
should show a clear line where to start and how to proceed after
developing an add-on to make it available for everyone.
On this platform, there should be two sections, core development and
add-on development. A third section should be dedicated to
translations, both from a translator and from a developer
perspective.


Best
Adriani










Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2018 20:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

Hi,
At the moment the closest to that would be:
https://certification.nvaccess.org

Some folks listed on that site are add-on authors, while others are
technology trainers. I think what may help might be a way to let
certified experts specify list of services they provide, such as
training and add-on development.

Another idea that I’ve been thinking is to offer a chance for
beginning developers or those interested in writing NVDA add-ons
and/or interested in code contributions to receive mentoring from
experienced developers. The overall purpose of this is to let
beginners ask questions about development to those who know what
they are doing, as well as to pass on our knowledge to the next
group of NVDA add-on authors and code contributors. When I pitched
this idea to members of the devlearning subgroup a few days ago, at
least two people said “yes”, which confirmed what I’ve been
suspecting for a while: it is time to pass on our knowledge, and how
important it is to let others contribute needed code for things such
as supporting professional and enterprise applications and such.
Also, mentoring the next group of developers has been something I’ve
been meaning to do for a while, and I want to see this happen before
I move on.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

Yes, I think it would be useful for the NvAccess site to have a list
of available scripters and their locations, and then state agencies
would have a resource to contact for such things.
I work for a state agency, and I hate it when people bash state
agencies without knowing how things work for such things.
Granted, some staff who don’t use screenreaders can’t possibly
remember all the solutions, although they should, they don’t, so
they think only of the one solution that is most common.
But I have brought up the topic of NVDA as a solution in the
workplace, and then the issue of scripting comes up.

Glenn

Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:50 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

Hi,
I’m starting a brand new thread that should provide a space to talk
about add-on development, including contract work, Python and such.

Cheers,
Joseph
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Thanks, that’s worth knowing.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 19 July 2018 17:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Hi,

Doug Lee does under contract.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?  I know several JAWS scripters, but I don’t know a single NVDA scripter that does it commercially.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 19 July 2018 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

A lot of companies software does not work with any screenreader well, but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.

I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time.

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

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From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Not in the UK, I know at least two who do it commercially, Blazie Engineering, and Hartgen Consultancy.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 July 2018 17:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?

If you contact NVAccess I feel fairly certain they could point you to someone.  Or even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.

I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS script writers when they were needed about 2 years ago.  It's a real niche market.
 
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Mallard
 

I agree 100% on that one, because I'm one of the culprits. Until I understood that a lot of the commands I was using are in fact Windows commands my life was a lot more complicated...

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 20/07/2018 08:45, Gene ha scritto:
You can do a lot with any screen-reader if you know a small number of commands like speak to end, read current line, word, etc.  Except for situations where you are using things like quick navigation commands in browse mode, or things like screen-review commands that are screen-reader specific, most of what you are using are Windows or program commands.  And in most cases quick navigation commands in browse mode on the Internet and in other programs that use browse mode have been voluntarily standardized by screen-reader designers.
I can have any Windows screen-reader running, and if I know perhaps six or eight commands such as read current line, etc. I can do a great deal.
The idea that it is difficult to use another screen-reader which is very widespread, is because it is widely not understood what are screen-reader commands and what are program and Windows commands.
Gene
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*From:* slery <mailto:slerythema@...>
*Sent:* Friday, July 20, 2018 12:27 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

I don’t know but I feel that making someone use a different screen reader is like making a cane user use a guide dog or a paralyized person use a non-powered wheel chair when they have always used a wheel chair.

The only thing I can do with JAWS is use my typical windows keyboard short-cuts that I have know since the switch from DOS.

Cindy

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *erik burggraaf
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:32 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

That's against the law here fortunately. Employers have to take your preference into consideration in the accommodation process. Fortunately NVDA plays much better ball on old systems than jaws does and I've had prospective employers tell me they prefer it after comparing the two.

Employers aren't required to do what you tell them to do.  If I walked into a shop that already had jaws I couldn't expect them to replace it with NVDA.  That's never happened yet though.

Best,

Erik

On July 18, 2018 1:07:58 PM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>> wrote:

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either
use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the
blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just
there for the money, or lck thereof.



On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...
<mailto:skyt@...>> wrote:

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind
organisations about alternative products. What they fail to
take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in
education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not
only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these
organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such
as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also
surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local
distributor of
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie
leaving NV
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and
about all
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart
accounts
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is
dangerous
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards,
though I
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the
truth or
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from
the RNIB in
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the
software man at
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy
asked him about
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old
ploy that one of
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody
will install
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc.
anyway, go and
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is
to big up his
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even
got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Gene
 

You can do a lot with any screen-reader if you know a small number of commands like speak to end, read current line, word, etc.  Except for situations where you are using things like quick navigation commands in browse mode, or things like screen-review commands that are screen-reader specific, most of what you are using are Windows or program commands.  And in most cases quick navigation commands in browse mode on the Internet and in other programs that use browse mode have been voluntarily standardized by screen-reader designers. 
 
I can have any Windows screen-reader running, and if I know perhaps six or eight commands such as read current line, etc. I can do a great deal. 
 
The idea that it is difficult to use another screen-reader which is very widespread, is because it is widely not understood what are screen-reader commands and what are program and Windows commands.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
 

I don’t know but I feel that making someone use a different screen reader is like making a cane user use a guide dog or a paralyized person use a non-powered wheel chair when they have always used a wheel chair.

 

The only thing I can do with JAWS is use my typical windows keyboard short-cuts that I have know since the switch from DOS.

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

That's against the law here fortunately.  Employers have to take your preference into consideration in the accommodation process.  Fortunately NVDA plays much better ball on old systems than jaws does and I've had prospective employers tell me they prefer it after comparing the two.

Employers aren't required to do what you tell them to do.  If I walked into a shop that already had jaws I couldn't expect them to replace it with NVDA.  That's never happened yet though.

Best,

Erik

On July 18, 2018 1:07:58 PM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> wrote:

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.



On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

-----Original Message-----
From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: Clipspeak stable released #addonrelease

Gene
 

The fake clipboard addon doesn’t know if the operation, copy, paste, etc. actually occurred.  It just announces something because the command is given.  The clipboard speak add on knows when an operation occurs.  So if it announces something, that is because it detects the operation.  It won’t announce something if nothing occurred.
 
In the past, clipboard speak would cause problems in one program or another.  I don’t remember details but I think it interfeered in some operations in Word.  Also, in a Youtube downloading program I use, it caused problems.  In these cases, the problems didn’t necessarily have anything to do with what happened when you used commands like copy and paste, but if I removed the add on, the problems stopped.  This was in a beta version and these problems may have been solved.
 
Gene
----- Original Messsage -----

Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak stable released #AddonRelease
 
How does this differ from the Fake Clipboard Announcement add-on?
Does it offer more features or controls?

On 20/07/2018, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> For those who wanted a way to let NVDA announce various clipboard
> operations, now you have it in the form of Clipspeak add-on by Damien
> Garwood:
>
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Brian & List:

 

I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a certified Jaws Scripter.

 

Perhaps not.

 

I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work would have to be completely redone.

 

I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell Foundation of San Francisco.

 

I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay and pay to support only a few employees.

Brian

 

It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the employer to be was misquoted for the job.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?

If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone.  Alternatively, even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.

I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed about 2 years ago.  It is a real niche market.
 
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Re: Clipspeak stable released #addonrelease

 

Hi,
I need to dig into what's exactly different.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak stable released #AddonRelease

Hi Joseph

This Marisane from SA.

How is it different from fake clipboard addon?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Kind regards
Marisane

On 7/20/18, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi all,



For those who wanted a way to let NVDA announce various clipboard
operations, now you have it in the form of Clipspeak add-on by Damien
Garwood:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html



Cheers,

Joseph





Re: Clipspeak stable released #addonrelease

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi Joseph

This Marisane from SA.

How is it different from fake clipboard addon?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Kind regards
Marisane

On 7/20/18, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi all,



For those who wanted a way to let NVDA announce various clipboard
operations, now you have it in the form of Clipspeak add-on by Damien
Garwood:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html



Cheers,

Joseph





Re: Clipspeak stable released #addonrelease

Eleni Vamvakari
 

How does this differ from the Fake Clipboard Announcement add-on?
Does it offer more features or controls?

On 20/07/2018, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi all,



For those who wanted a way to let NVDA announce various clipboard
operations, now you have it in the form of Clipspeak add-on by Damien
Garwood:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html



Cheers,

Joseph




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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I don’t know but I feel that making someone use a different screen reader is like making a cane user use a guide dog or a paralyized person use a non-powered wheel chair when they have always used a wheel chair.

 

The only thing I can do with JAWS is use my typical windows keyboard short-cuts that I have know since the switch from DOS.

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

That's against the law here fortunately.  Employers have to take your preference into consideration in the accommodation process.  Fortunately NVDA plays much better ball on old systems than jaws does and I've had prospective employers tell me they prefer it after comparing the two.

Employers aren't required to do what you tell them to do.  If I walked into a shop that already had jaws I couldn't expect them to replace it with NVDA.  That's never happened yet though.

Best,

Erik

On July 18, 2018 1:07:58 PM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> wrote:

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.



On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

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Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Clipspeak stable released #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

For those who wanted a way to let NVDA announce various clipboard operations, now you have it in the form of Clipspeak add-on by Damien Garwood:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

That makes me wonder about chromebooks sorry for being off topic but there are buisnesses that use chromebooks and thoughs are use open source software.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:46 PM
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It was a nonprophet, so they paid for jaws and would not let me use nvda on their machines. I didn’t watn to fight, and yes I did bring up nvda with my state’s bsb. They brushed me off saying they would never consider open source for work. I know I said that before, and I’m still mad every time I write about that..

On Jul 19, 2018, at 8:15 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:

The thing is if the state is paying for it then you have to use it. That is what messed up.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:03 PM
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Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

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I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

It was a nonprophet, so they paid for jaws and would not let me use nvda on their machines. I didn’t watn to fight, and yes I did bring up nvda with my state’s bsb. They brushed me off saying they would never consider open source for work. I know I said that before, and I’m still mad every time I write about that..

On Jul 19, 2018, at 8:15 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:

The thing is if the state is paying for it then you have to use it. That is what messed up.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:03 PM
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Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: taking screen shots using nvda?

 

Quentin is correct that the most typical location on many laptops, and particularly HP laptops, for the PrtSc, print screen, key is immediately to the right of the F12 key.  Since you're out of the actual F1 through F12 keys at that point it's most common for PrtSc to be the default hit and to not require the pressing of the fn key along with it.  On my HP laptop fn+PrtSc is the same as INSERT.  His tip about using NVDA keyboard help (and JAWS has the same, but I can't recall if the activation sequence is the same) letting you confirm the location is an excellent one.

Under Windows 10 you can take a full-screen screen shot by hitting Windows Key+PrtSc.  This will cause the screen to dim very briefly, which indicates the shot has been taken, and that screen shot will be in a folder under your Pictures library named Screenshots in PNG (Portable Network Graphics) file format.  If you take sequential screen shots the files will be named Screenshot(2), Screenshot(3), etc., etc., etc.  It is important to remember that this takes a full screen shot, so everything that is open and visible is included.

Microsoft has now added the ability to take a windowed screen shot by hitting Windows Key+ALT+PrtSc.  What's weird, though, is that this handled through Xbox and the resulting screen shot, and it is a straight .png file, is stored in the Videos library in a folder named Captures and where the file name is taken from what is in the Window Title of the window being captured followed by the date-time stamp of the capture itself.  So, for example, a windowed screen shot I took of the Feedback Hub window a while back was named Feedback Hub 6_19_2018 11_53_49 AM.png 

Even though those names are long, to me they're much better than the generic Screenshot convention for full-screen screen shots.  But since they are full screen there's no way to use the Window Title since there is no Window Title for the full screen.

These save you having to deal with any image editor, pasting from the clipboard, then saving the file.

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Re: taking screen shots using nvda?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


The easiest way to find what the keys are on your screen with nvda is to use the nvda key + one on the main querty keyboard. it will put nvda input help on mode press any keys to find what they are then once you located it turn if off with nvda key + 1 again.


hope this helps.


Gene nz



On 7/20/2018 2:17 PM, The Wolf wrote:

where is the print key found at?


On 7/19/2018 6:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Press the PRINTSCREEN key to take a screenshot of the whole screen.

ALT+PRINTSCREEN takes a shot of only the active Window (so not the task bar or anything else)

The image itself is copied to the clipboard and you can paste it in an email (depending on your email client it may paste it in the body, or as an attachment.

If you press WINDOWS+PRINTSCREEN it will automatically save the image to your "Pictures" library in the "Screenshots" folder, called screenshot.png for the first one, then screenshot(2).png for the second and so on.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:26 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
hello

how do I take a screen shot using nvda?  I am trying to trouble shoot a issue with one of my voip adapters and localphone is wanting screen shots

how do I accomplish this with nvda?

I never took a screen shot before and really haven't ran in to a situation where I needed to until now

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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

The thing is if the state is paying for it then you have to use it. That is what messed up.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:03 PM
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Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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