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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

After the API stoped working, there was a patch which solved that
problem, and it worked for a long time. Unfortunately, it no longer
does. Anyway, I didn't realise that Motorola made phones with
keyboards. Are thse qwerty or just regular keypads as on a normal
phone? I have a Kyocera Rally with real buttons, but it's just alike
a phone, so I strictly use it to make and to receive calls, and to
check the menus for missed calls and so on. I know that the
Blackberry has some kind of touch-activated keyboard, where merely
sliding your finger on the keys activates certain things. I'm not
sure if that feature can be disabled. It also lacks the most basic
ability of moving by line or sentence with the arrow keys. Instead,
you must use the touchscreen to perform that function. At least,
these things were true when I read about them last year. They may
have changed by now.

On 19/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
Also, there are a couple devices that are like a case for your phone with a
spin dial and the like so one does not have to use gestures.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian K.
Lingard
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Dear Eleni & List:

You do not have to use a touch screen to have a smart Phone.

Motorola makes smart phones with an actual keypad and so does Blackberry.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
-

It does not matter to me if something is popular, as long as it is
accessible.
Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that they would
use What works for me? I am not going to use something that works
horribly to please everyone else. I do not need stereo recording, as
long as the sound is Clear. I usually avoid echo cancellation and
noise suppression, as I prefer Omnidirectional microphones which
capture everything, a and which have a Good, full sound. I am used to
everything from records to mp3 at no more Than 128 kbps and sometimes
less, so I do not need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Team talk to prevent it
from being Extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying WhatsApp, but I don't know how
well the Web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although
I got it to Work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy felt transferring. I hate dealing with Windows Explorer
in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. I wish this one
feature existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it was not designed for
that purpose. I think Team talk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between Team Talk and Team Speak?

I don't own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a Hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I would not use it
for talking, as it uses many data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so
bad you cannot use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas
team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a
stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played
around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have many rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to
a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my
stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum
connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to
the devil AKA MS. V 4X had great audio. MS broke it.

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1 - Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for
voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't
have. I have used zoom, and I see zero difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster, I would use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I
standby what I said. The audio is crap.

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September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It is not zoom quality but I can
understand what’s being said, and if I can do my job still I'll
take it. I actually love skype and I do use it on my podcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>>
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The audio quality is crap. Team Talk is better for what you want to
do.

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*Subject:*Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -
I am not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can
figure out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that
would be great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok.
Granted, I do not like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...
<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great
software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their
software, especially when it is not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of
regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly. Granted, I do not really like the
interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it is better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop! I tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than I
liked all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible
alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...
<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Re: Problem with Firefox - maybe use Edge instead?

Gene
 

I never worry about where Book marks are in Firefox.  I'm not sure where they are now.  Try using the bookmarks search feature in Firefox.  When you are in the main window, issue the command control I. 
You will be placed in a book marks search field.  Type part or all of what you want to search for.  Tab once.
There will be a list of results.  See if what you want is there.  Press enter on it to activate the book mark.  When the page finishes opening, turn the book marks feature off with the same command you turned it on with, control I. 
 
If you type something and find the result as the second in the list of results, you can type whatever it is, tab once, then down arrow once to be on the second item, then press enter.  This will work consistently unless you add a new book mark that shows up before the one you are looking for.  It's possible but not likely unless you add another book mark to another page on the same site.
If you want to see all your book marks in a list, no matter what folder they are in, open the book marks feature with control I.  Don't search.  Just tab once.  You will be in a list of all your book marks.  Move to the one you want and press enter.  then after the page loads turn the book marks feature off again. 
 
If you have to move the book marks back before this feature works properly, the list can help you do that.  But in general, not just in dealing with this situation, using this feature means you will never have to organize book marks again. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Problem with Firefox - maybe use Edge instead?

Good day list,

 

This is going to be a quite lengthy email.  I will describe my problem as best as I can.  I’m running the latest version of NVDA as well as the laters version of Windows 10.

 

I downloaded Firefox extended version and installed it on my computer.  I saved quite an amount of bookmarks.  Last week I did something wrong and Firefox wasn’t my default browser anymore.  I went to my list of default programs in settings, but couldn’t find Firefox there.  Not even my sighted wife didn’t find it.  I went on Mozilla’s page and the solution I found was to uninstall Firefox and reinstall it again – which I did.  After reinstalling, I ended up with a folder on my desktop called “Old Firefox data.” 

 

Now I get to the problem.  Before I uninstalled Firefox, I got 36 bookmarks saved.  After the reinstallation, I bookmarked 3 new webpages.  They are not listed among the 36 bookmarks.  However, when I hit enter on “show all bookmarks”, then I find the last three bookmarks.  Only those three are in “show all bookmarks”.  All my other bookmarks is outside that folder.

 

Then I tried Edge.  But when I open Edge and press the alt-key to open the menu of Edge, nothing happens. 

 

Can somebody help me with the Firefox issue?  Or is it better to start using Edge?  I personally find Edge more rresponsive.  On the other hand, all my bookmarks are in Firefox.

 

Any help would be apreciated.

 

Kind regards

Morné

 

 


Re: Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

Ervin, Glenn
 

Yes, I think it would be useful for the NvAccess site to have a list of available scripters and their locations, and then state agencies would have a resource to contact for such things.

I work for a state agency, and I hate it when people bash state agencies without knowing how things work for such things.

Granted, some staff who don’t use screenreaders can’t possibly remember all the solutions, although they should, they don’t, so they think only of the one solution that is most common.

But I have brought up the topic of NVDA as a solution in the workplace, and then the issue of scripting comes up.

 

Glenn

 

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:50 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Hi,

I’m starting a brand new thread that should provide a space to talk about add-on development, including contract work, Python and such.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I was told by one company who was considering hiring me that they had python programmers in house who would do any scripting.  That was a year and a half ago.  Look how far the developer resources have come in that time.

What could be more secure than doing the scripting in house?  At $150 per line for jaws scripts, using a staffer to code python has to be cheaper.  The testing would be easier.  Company would have complete control of the scheduling.  The rights to any code would belong to the company and not to the screan reader manufacturer or script developer.  Internal documentation could be a lot better.  Leazing with the manufacturers of the software being scripted would be vastly more efficient.  Upgrades to scripts would be faster and easier.

Really, if you're a big company, all you really want is control over everything, and using python developers in house is the ultimate in corporate control.

Best,

Erik

On July 19, 2018 12:22:32 PM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?  I know several JAWS scripters, but I don’t know a single NVDA scripter that does it commercially.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 19 July 2018 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

A lot of companies software does not work with any screenreader well, but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.

I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time.

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

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nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Hi,

I’m starting a brand new thread that should provide a space to talk about add-on development, including contract work, Python and such.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Hi,

I see. I’ll start a brand new thread to talk about contracted add-on development and related ideas.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Usually we hire someone within state for these tasks, so the scripter can work on-site.

I think companies are squeamish about installing their software off-site.

And bringing someone in from a distance can dramatically increase the cost of hiring a scripter.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Hi,

Doug Lee does under contract.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?  I know several JAWS scripters, but I don’t know a single NVDA scripter that does it commercially.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 19 July 2018 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

A lot of companies software does not work with any screenreader well, but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.

I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time.

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

-----Original Message-----
From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Gene
 

My message responded to what you said.  The browse mode buffer is used in NVDA's browse mode and isn't active when NVDA isn't being used.  I don't know what Narrator uses when browsing but Narrator is specifically tested with Edge by Microsoft.  You didn't say you tested with anything else that uses the equivalent of Browse mode such as JAWS to see if the problem occurs.  For now, we don't know if this is an NVDA problem or the way Edge interacts on your machine with any screen-reader we know uses Browse Mode or equivalent.  I don't even know if Browse Mode interaction is the problem.  But it would be useful to test with another screen-reader like JAWS and see if you have the same problem.
 
It would also be worth doing, and this would be the first thing to do. to finally get a web page to load, then when it finally does, turn browse mode off with NVDA key space.  When it's off, try loading pages.  Do they load properly when NVDA is running and browse Mode is off?  That would tell us if this is a Browse Mode problem or an NVDA problam caused by something else.
 
I don't know if the NVDA log might have any useful information but I don't know enough about the NVDA log to discuss that further.  But ruling in or out Browse Mode would be useful and important. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen


On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:
I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 
 
It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi,

I’m thinking it has to do with some miscommunication between EdgeHTML/UIA and NVDA. I asked for a debug-level log from the original poster in hopes of finding out what’s up, as well as to alert NV Access about this.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Doesn’t Jaws have something that prevents pages from refreshing?

If so, perhaps it is a feature that can be added to NVDA.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi Joseph,

All extensions are turned off and I have restarted my laptop and it is still the same.

 

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 16:38, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Are you using any add-ons? If so, what happens when you disable all add-ons at once (by restarting with add-ons disabled)? I assume this issue is present even after restarting your computer, and it may show up when trying to connect to all or certain sites. Is this correct?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I am using NVDA 2018.2.1 and Win 10 Home Version 1803.

 

On 19/07/2018 16:21, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Unless I didn’t read it far, but may we know the version of NVDA and Windows 10 you’ve got? That way we can find out if it is Edge acting weird, NVDA doing something odd and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



 

 

 


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Ervin, Glenn
 

Usually we hire someone within state for these tasks, so the scripter can work on-site.

I think companies are squeamish about installing their software off-site.

And bringing someone in from a distance can dramatically increase the cost of hiring a scripter.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Hi,

Doug Lee does under contract.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?  I know several JAWS scripters, but I don’t know a single NVDA scripter that does it commercially.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 19 July 2018 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

A lot of companies software does not work with any screenreader well, but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.

I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time.

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

-----Original Message-----
From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Changing the Keyboard

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Brian's Mail List & List:
Appears that in Win 7, you need to select language & region and make your changes there.

Perhaps my settings, except for language & region, are unique to Win 10 and/or JAWS.

Brian K. Lingard

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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] regaining the Pound Sterling Sign

It certainly does not work in windows 7, are you sure; this is not a jaws thing?
Yes agreed there are usually multiple ways, but if those keypresses did it, I would
have been in goodness knows what language by now.
Brian
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:38 PM
Subject: [NVDA] regaining the Pound Sterling Sign
Dear Brian & List>
I run JAWS 20018 and Win 10.
Windows key plus space bar cycles through the available keyboards, as does
Alt plus shift.
You can also go into the settings menu and select language & region.

Microsoft loves giving you multiple ways of doing the same thing.
Brian
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Subject: Re: [NVDA] lost the pound sign

Yes I know that, but that is not the issue here at all, In the UK hash was
always number, but I have long since fixed that on. The point is that the
machine has switched its keyboard to us English. Can somebody explain to?
me how to use windows space to fix it the? Has this always been there? I
have
never encountered it in many years, sounds very dangerous if true. I do
know some screenreader can change language using certain easy to hit
keys, as \I'm always rescuing Dolphin users from all sorts of bizarre
languages
and synths!
Brian

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From: "Rue Fonts" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] lost the pound sign


? The problem is that NVDA have changed how the symbol is named...

/the # sign is now read as Number... /to change that, it is necessary go
to NVDA menu, Preferences, Punctuation/symbol pronunciation... and
change
it there...

Rui Fontes


Às 17:42 de 18/07/2018, Chris via Groups.Io escreveu:
Hitting windows + spacebar will change keyboard language

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*Subject: *Re: [NVDA] lost the pound sign

I would not know how this could be changed accidentally. Would she be?
likely?
to

have system restore on and be able to go back to a couple of days ago,
or
is

it off in 10 by default. Even then, I am not sure it has any effect on
the

installed keyboard language. I have had issues in the past with word

deciding to use American English templates for documents for no good
reason

which really fouls up the spell checker big time!

Brian

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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [NVDA] lost the pound sign

It sounds like your computer has switched from thinking it has a UK
keyboard
layout (which has a pound sign on shift-3) to a US layout (which has
a

hash
symbol on shift-3, and is often read as "number").
>

To confirm this, what do you get by pressing shift-2?
>

A UK layout will give you double quote marks; a US layout will give
you an

"at" sign.
>

>

Antony.
>

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 16:18:29, Sakina wrote:
>

Dear Gene and friends,
Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my
people

>> app. I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to
figure
it

>> out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be
happy

>> doing it manually. For now I am cutting and pasting the address in
the to

>> field.

>> Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I
always

>> used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign. Now
when I

>> press shift key and number three it keeps saying number.

>> I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board
as I

>> am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do. I
will

>> greatly appreciate any help.

>> Always thanking you all

>> Sakina

>

> --

> If you were ploughing a field, which would you rather use - two
strong

> oxen or

> 1024 chickens?


Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi,

Can you try the following for me please:

  1. Restart NVDA with debug logging enabled. To do so, bring up exit dialog (NVDA+Q unless that option is off) and choose the very last option.
  2. Use Edge.
  3. Once Edge restarts or tells you that it can’t load a page (or refreshes a page), quit Edge.
  4. Press NVDA+F1 and copy and paste the log and send it to me privately so I can forward this to NV Access.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi Joseph,

All extensions are turned off and I have restarted my laptop and it is still the same.

 

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 16:38, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Are you using any add-ons? If so, what happens when you disable all add-ons at once (by restarting with add-ons disabled)? I assume this issue is present even after restarting your computer, and it may show up when trying to connect to all or certain sites. Is this correct?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I am using NVDA 2018.2.1 and Win 10 Home Version 1803.

 

On 19/07/2018 16:21, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Unless I didn’t read it far, but may we know the version of NVDA and Windows 10 you’ve got? That way we can find out if it is Edge acting weird, NVDA doing something odd and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




 

 

 


Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Ervin, Glenn
 

Doesn’t Jaws have something that prevents pages from refreshing?

If so, perhaps it is a feature that can be added to NVDA.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi Joseph,

All extensions are turned off and I have restarted my laptop and it is still the same.

 

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 16:38, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Are you using any add-ons? If so, what happens when you disable all add-ons at once (by restarting with add-ons disabled)? I assume this issue is present even after restarting your computer, and it may show up when trying to connect to all or certain sites. Is this correct?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I am using NVDA 2018.2.1 and Win 10 Home Version 1803.

 

On 19/07/2018 16:21, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Unless I didn’t read it far, but may we know the version of NVDA and Windows 10 you’ve got? That way we can find out if it is Edge acting weird, NVDA doing something odd and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




 

 

 


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Hi,

Doug Lee does under contract.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?  I know several JAWS scripters, but I don’t know a single NVDA scripter that does it commercially.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 19 July 2018 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

A lot of companies software does not work with any screenreader well, but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.

I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time.

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

-----Original Message-----
From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi Joseph,

All extensions are turned off and I have restarted my laptop and it is still the same.


Regards

Stephen


On 19/07/2018 16:38, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Are you using any add-ons? If so, what happens when you disable all add-ons at once (by restarting with add-ons disabled)? I assume this issue is present even after restarting your computer, and it may show up when trying to connect to all or certain sites. Is this correct?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I am using NVDA 2018.2.1 and Win 10 Home Version 1803.

 

On 19/07/2018 16:21, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Unless I didn’t read it far, but may we know the version of NVDA and Windows 10 you’ve got? That way we can find out if it is Edge acting weird, NVDA doing something odd and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



 

 



Re: possible eloquence solution

Ervin, Glenn
 

LOL,

I always thought that if they were to fix it, they should insert an inhaling sound before it starts reading again at the normal pitch.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:31 AM
To: Nvda List List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I’ve heard that. It can be quite amusing , until you listen to it get lower and lower. I’ve herd it get so low all you hear isa click, then it gets very annoying fast.



On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:58 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

 

Why haven’t they continued to develope eloquence. My problem is that when there is a long string of text without any punctuation, the voice goes lower and lower in pitch.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.

 

Gene

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From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?

 

All the best


STeve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

 

Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.  

 

 


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?
If you contact NVAccess I feel fairly certain they could point you to someone.  Or even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.

I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS script writers when they were needed about 2 years ago.  It's a real niche market.
 
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Re: possible eloquence solution

Sarah k Alawami
 

I’ve heard that. It can be quite amusing , until you listen to it get lower and lower. I’ve herd it get so low all you hear isa click, then it gets very annoying fast.

On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:58 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

Why haven’t they continued to develope eloquence. My problem is that when there is a long string of text without any punctuation, the voice goes lower and lower in pitch.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.
 
Gene
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From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?
 
All the best

STeve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
 
Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.  
 



Smartphones with Keypads or Keyboards

 

This seems to me to be worthy of a spin-off topic of its own.

If you're not looking for a phone where you want a full keypad for texting, but would like a dial pad for calling, and want an Android device all rolled into one there's the Freetel Musashi FTJ161A
which is hugely expensive, but one of a kind as far as I know since it can act as a full smartphone with touch screen on the top half and still has a standard dial pad on the bottom half.  (For more on this device see:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Freetel+Musashi+flip+phone)  Freetel tried to enter the US market in 2016/2017 but pretty much failed in that attempt.  Their what-was-then-flagship standard smartphone, the Samurai Kiwami, can now be had for under $100, and it works fine on T-Mobile's GSM network and should do the same for Verizon.  It is, however, still an Android Lollipop (5.1) device out of the box and since Freetel has left the US market ongoing support cannot be expected.

This web search returns many options for currently available smartphones with keyboards, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Smartphone+with+keyboard, and this one for smartphones with keyboards and touchscreens, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=smartphone+with+keyboard+and+touch+screen.
There is, of course, a huge amount of overlap between those two lists.
--

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Re: possible eloquence solution

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually, I googled for the beta program and they said on their list somethg like “we have internal testers, we don’t want or need beta testers at this time.” I’m   not subscribed to their list. But I was googling and found their list on I think google groups. I don’t even think they are accepting any invites to their list at all actually.

A buddy of mine hers the same complaints as he got in last year before they closed the beta off and they have not  fixed the same issues  peole were reporting for now about maybe 5 months. That is, there has not ben an update to the beta or the public release of eloquence since I bought it in may of last year.

On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:20 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?
 
All the best

STeve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.


On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
 
Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.  
 



Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Ervin, Glenn
 

That’s right, if we had one available, I’m sure we would give it a go.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

But again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?  I know several JAWS scripters, but I don’t know a single NVDA scripter that does it commercially.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 19 July 2018 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

A lot of companies software does not work with any screenreader well, but I can tell you that many of us in our agency will first try the least expensive solution, which is NVDA when it comes to serving our clients.

I install NVDA on people’s personal computers all the time.

When it comes to the workplace, if there is challenges on company software with a screenreader, I think most agency staff might go with Jaws because we have access to people who contract their scripting services to make Jaws work with companies’ software.

So I would blame the scripters of screenreaders for not promoting NVDA, not the agencies.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

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nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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