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Re: possible eloquence solution

Gene
 

Everyone wants the human sounding synthesizers, that is everyone who uses such synthesizers in the sighted world. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

Why haven’t they continued to develope eloquence. My problem is that when there is a long string of text without any punctuation, the voice goes lower and lower in pitch.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?

 

All the best


STeve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

 

Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods. 

 


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

and if you really need jaws and if you are a home user, you can call VFO and say the following: "hello, I would like to purchase jaws for $120 United States dollars  through the jaws for home use program." By calling and asking for the special low pricing I was able to buy a full copy of jaws for $120 plus an SMA for another $120. I figure its good to have more than one screen reader just in case NVDA can't read something, I could shut it off, load up jaws and see if it works better in certain situations. 


Re: possible eloquence solution

Steve Nutt
 

This is Nuance, not Code Factory.  Code Factory, as do I, only distribute it and Code Factory also update the platform specific drivers.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

Why haven’t they continued to develope eloquence. My problem is that when there is a long string of text without any punctuation, the voice goes lower and lower in pitch.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?

 

All the best


STeve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

 

Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods. 

 


Re: possible eloquence solution

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

And it’s been fixed, so those strings won’t crash it either.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?

 

All the best


STeve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

 

Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods. 

 


Re: MSFT Edge

 

Hi,

I believe Edge does not support RSS at this time, although I haven’t looked deeply in Edge for a few days.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MSFT Edge

 

Hi Joseph,

Please any idea how to use RSS in Edge?  I am directing the question to you as I haven’t gotten any suggestions on the topic.  Edge is becoming more responsive with NVDA and loads much faster.  I am considering making it my default browser.

Blessings

Pascal    

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 2:28 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials add-on: compatible with wxPython 4, version 18.10 to require NVDA 2018.3 or later, other Win10 goodies

 

Hi all,

 

Before I go any further, I’d like to announce that Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is compatible with wxPython 4.

 

Version hopping for the third time this year: if I’m not mistaken, NVDA 2018.3 may include several important features from Windows 10 App Essentials add-on into NVDA Core. Due to this, starting from add-on version 18.10 stable, NVDA 2018.3 or later will be required.

 

The following are features migrating from this add-on to the NVDA screen reader:

 

  • Basic support for IUIAutomation6 interface (Windows 10 Redstone 5).
  • NVDA will recognize and read contents of more dialogs in Windows 10 (especially on Redstone 5) and various apps, including dialogs found in various universal apps.

 

In addition to this, recent changes for Windows 10 ecosystem support include:

 

  • In Microsoft Edge, aria-roledescription text is recognized.
  • Espeak NG will read emoji characters.

 

Possible features to be included if pull request review passes:

 

  • Native support for various modern input features, including emoji panel, dictation, hardware input suggestions, and cloud clipboard. If the review (currently in progress) passes, this will mean you don’t have to use Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to use these features, as NVDA itself will support them out of the box.
  • In Microsoft Edge, more notifications, including aria-role=alert will be announced (review has been requested).

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: regaining the Pound Sterling Sign

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It certainly does not work in windows 7, are you sure this is not a jaws thing?
Yes agreed there are usually multiple ways, but if those keypresses did it I'd have been in goodness knows what language by now.
Brian

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From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] regaining the Pound Sterling Sign


Dear Brian & List>
I run JAWS 20018 and Win 10.
Windows key plus space bar cycles through the available keyboards, as does
Alt plus shift.
You can also go into the settings menu and select language & region.

Microsoft loves giving you multiple ways of doing the same thing.
Brian


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Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Lost the pound sign

Yes I know that, but that is not the issue here at all, In the UK hash was
always number, but I have long since fixed that on. the point is that the
machine has switched its keyboard to us English. Can somebody explain to?
me how to use windows space to fix it the? Has this always been there? I have
never encountered it in many years, sounds very dangerous if true. I do
know some screenreader can change language using certain easy to hit
keys, as \I'm always rescuing Dolphin users from all sorts of bizarre languages
and synths!
Brian

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From: "Rue Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Lost the pound sign


? The problem is that NVDA have changed how the symbol is named...

/The # sign is now read as Number... /To change that, it is necessary go
to NVDA menu, Preferences, Punctuation/symbol pronunciation... and
change
it there...

Rui Fontes


Às 17:42 de 18/07/2018, Chris via Groups.Io escreveu:
Hitting windows+spacebar will change keyboard language

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*Subject: *Re: [NVDA] Lost the pound sign

I would not know how this could be changed accidentally. Would she be likely?
to

have system restore on and be able to go back to a couple of days ago, or
is

it off in 10 by default. Even then, I'm not sure it has any effect on the

installed keyboard language. I have had issues in the past with word

deciding to use American English templates for documents for no good
reason

which really fouls up the spell checker big time!

Brian

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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [NVDA] Lost the pound sign

> It sounds like your computer has switched from thinking it has a UK

> keyboard

> layout (which has a pound sign on shift-3) to a US layout (which has
a

> hash

> symbol on shift-3, and is often read as "number").

>

> To confirm this, what do you get by pressing shift-2?

>

> A UK layout will give you double quote marks; a US layout will give
you an

> "at" sign.

>

>

> Antony.

>

> On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 16:18:29, Sakina wrote:

>

>> Dear Gene and friends,

>> Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my
people

>> app. I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to
figure
it

>> out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be
happy

>> doing it manually. For now I am cutting and pasting the address in
the to

>> field.

>> Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I
always

>> used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign. Now
when I

>> press shift key and number three it keeps saying number.

>> I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board
as I

>> am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do. I
will

>> greatly appreciate any help.

>> Always thanking you all

>> Sakina

>

> --

> If you were ploughing a field, which would you rather use - two
strong

> oxen or

> 1024 chickens?

>

> - Seymour Cray, pioneer of supercomputing

>

> Please reply to the

> list;

> please *don't* CC

> me.

>

>

>




Re: NVDA and Screen

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Yerwot???
Brian

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To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Screen


--
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Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Could the not found issue be a problem with the name server you use? Had this a few weeks ago, indeed on one page it displayed all the page parts but anything supplied by google came up as server not found www.google. etc etc.
Brian

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From: "Stephen Costigan" <stephenc1@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


Thanks, but I tried this and it still happens, I am still even getting
the page cannot be displayed error but if I keep refreshing the page it
eventually works.

Stephen




On 19/07/2018 10:56, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Had this with waterfox today.

Reboot your router then your computer.

Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a
little screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things
don't run till you cycle power.




On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
Hi,

I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.

Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
message there was a problem loading page.

If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
problem.

This happens with any web site I try.

If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Stephen








Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

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I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the sighted user should experience ist as well?
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


Had this with waterfox today.

Reboot your router then your computer.

Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run till you cycle power.




On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
Hi,

I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.

Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
message there was a problem loading page.

If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
problem.

This happens with any web site I try.

If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Stephen




Re: possible eloquence solution

Peter Beasley
 

Why haven’t they continued to develope eloquence. My problem is that when there is a long string of text without any punctuation, the voice goes lower and lower in pitch.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?

 

All the best


STeve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

 

Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods. 

 


Re: possible eloquence solution

Gene
 

And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?

 

All the best


STeve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

 

I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.



On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

 

Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods. 

 


MSFT Edge

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi Joseph,

Please any idea how to use RSS in Edge?  I am directing the question to you as I haven’t gotten any suggestions on the topic.  Edge is becoming more responsive with NVDA and loads much faster.  I am considering making it my default browser.

Blessings

Pascal    

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 2:28 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials add-on: compatible with wxPython 4, version 18.10 to require NVDA 2018.3 or later, other Win10 goodies

 

Hi all,

 

Before I go any further, I’d like to announce that Windows 10 App Essentials add-on is compatible with wxPython 4.

 

Version hopping for the third time this year: if I’m not mistaken, NVDA 2018.3 may include several important features from Windows 10 App Essentials add-on into NVDA Core. Due to this, starting from add-on version 18.10 stable, NVDA 2018.3 or later will be required.

 

The following are features migrating from this add-on to the NVDA screen reader:

 

  • Basic support for IUIAutomation6 interface (Windows 10 Redstone 5).
  • NVDA will recognize and read contents of more dialogs in Windows 10 (especially on Redstone 5) and various apps, including dialogs found in various universal apps.

 

In addition to this, recent changes for Windows 10 ecosystem support include:

 

  • In Microsoft Edge, aria-roledescription text is recognized.
  • Espeak NG will read emoji characters.

 

Possible features to be included if pull request review passes:

 

  • Native support for various modern input features, including emoji panel, dictation, hardware input suggestions, and cloud clipboard. If the review (currently in progress) passes, this will mean you don’t have to use Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to use these features, as NVDA itself will support them out of the box.
  • In Microsoft Edge, more notifications, including aria-role=alert will be announced (review has been requested).

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA 2018.2.1: cannot install on Windows 10 (1803)

Quentin Christensen
 

It looks like the error is in creating the shortcut, as Brian mentioned.  If so, it is possible you have "Protected Folder Access" enabled?  That is a Windows 10 security setting designed to stop malware from being able to write to important parts of your hard drive, but one side effect is that when installing programs, they can't create desktop shortcuts.

So, the two options are:
1) Disable protected folder access while installing NVDA, or
2) Create the shortcut manually.  The default executable to launch with the shortcut, if you didn't change it should be something like:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r

Regards

Quentin.

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Are the files created, and can the exe be run from the  program files x86 folder?
If yes then its the old shortcut problem again. I've not seen this in older windows systems.

What happens if you run it portably, presumably this mostly still works or you would not have a log to show us.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ali Savas" <ali-savas@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2.1: cannot install on Windows 10 (1803)



Hi,


I have problems installing NVDA on my Windows 10 (1803) system. Here is the Protocol:


--Begin Log---

INFO - __main__ (10:56:13.446):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.956):
Config dir: C:\Users\asa\AppData\Local\Temp\nsx12D3.tmp\app\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:56:13.956):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
NVDA version 2018.2.1
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:56:13.996):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:56:14.440):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (10:56:14.440):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:56:14.450):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (10:56:14.450):
Using liblouis version 3.5.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:56:14.450):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (10:56:14.496):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:56:14.496):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (10:56:14.946):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 14860 (nvda_slave.exe) (10:56:40.426):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 42, in main
 File "installer.pyo", line 423, in install
 File "installer.pyo", line 236, in registerInstallation
 File "installer.pyo", line 57, in createShortcut
 File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyo", line 218, in __setattr__
 File "comtypes\automation.pyo", line 729, in _invoke
COMError: (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (10:56:40.446):
Installation failed: 1

---EndLog---


Can anybody help me please?


With best regards from Germany

Ali











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regaining the Pound Sterling Sign

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Brian & List>
I run JAWS 20018 and Win 10.
Windows key plus space bar cycles through the available keyboards, as does
Alt plus shift.
You can also go into the settings menu and select language & region.

Microsoft loves giving you multiple ways of doing the same thing.
Brian

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Lost the pound sign

Yes I know that, but that is not the issue here at all, In the UK hash was
always number, but I have long since fixed that on. the point is that the
machine has switched its keyboard to us English. Can somebody explain to?
me how to use windows space to fix it the? Has this always been there? I have
never encountered it in many years, sounds very dangerous if true. I do
know some screenreader can change language using certain easy to hit
keys, as \I'm always rescuing Dolphin users from all sorts of bizarre languages
and synths!
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Lost the pound sign


? The problem is that NVDA have changed how the symbol is named...

/The # sign is now read as Number... /To change that, it is necessary go
to NVDA menu, Preferences, Punctuation/symbol pronunciation... and
change
it there...

Rui Fontes


Às 17:42 de 18/07/2018, Chris via Groups.Io escreveu:
Hitting windows+spacebar will change keyboard language

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I would not know how this could be changed accidentally. Would she be likely?
to

have system restore on and be able to go back to a couple of days ago, or
is

it off in 10 by default. Even then, I'm not sure it has any effect on the

installed keyboard language. I have had issues in the past with word

deciding to use American English templates for documents for no good
reason

which really fouls up the spell checker big time!

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [NVDA] Lost the pound sign

> It sounds like your computer has switched from thinking it has a UK

> keyboard

> layout (which has a pound sign on shift-3) to a US layout (which has a

> hash

> symbol on shift-3, and is often read as "number").

>

> To confirm this, what do you get by pressing shift-2?

>

> A UK layout will give you double quote marks; a US layout will give
you an

> "at" sign.

>

>

> Antony.

>

> On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 16:18:29, Sakina wrote:

>

>> Dear Gene and friends,

>> Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my
people

>> app. I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure
it

>> out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be
happy

>> doing it manually. For now I am cutting and pasting the address in
the to

>> field.

>> Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I
always

>> used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign. Now
when I

>> press shift key and number three it keeps saying number.

>> I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board
as I

>> am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do. I
will

>> greatly appreciate any help.

>> Always thanking you all

>> Sakina

>

> --

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> oxen or

> 1024 chickens?

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> - Seymour Cray, pioneer of supercomputing

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>

>




Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Stephen Costigan
 

Thanks, but I tried this and it still happens, I am still even getting
the page cannot be displayed error but if I keep refreshing the page it
eventually works.

Stephen

On 19/07/2018 10:56, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Had this with waterfox today.

Reboot your router then your computer.

Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a
little screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things
don't run till you cycle power.




On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
Hi,

I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.

Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
message there was a problem loading page.

If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
problem.

This happens with any web site I try.

If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Stephen






Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Mallard
 

Steve,


Could you please explain that to me off-list??

Just so I know if someone needs info, because people often ask me.

Ciao, thanks,

Ollie

Il 19/07/2018 12:01, Steve Nutt ha scritto:
Hi,

Since the moderators have asked for this thread to be locked, I won't continue on that, but I could post several programs that NVDA simply won't touch, because it doesn't have video hooks.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: 19 July 2018 10:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

I.E.?


Just curious, since I haven't used Jawssince 2009...





Il 19/07/2018 11:38, Steve Nutt ha scritto:
You might catch up, whether it will be quickly or not is another matter. There's a lot more that NVDA needs to do to come close to JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 21:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Well nvda is not jaws, the only reason jaws is better than nvda is its older than us and thats just about it.

But I think we will get there.

We have a scripting language which is a standard language that people use, we use standard libraries and formats, there is no custom company proprietry code anywhere.

Saying that, nvda was built for the cloud and web systems a lot of the newer apps handle well with it.

Universal we are not there just yet but we are damn close now to that.

Jaws is older, we don't have what jaws has right now so jaws is still better than nvda but we will catch up, and quickly.




On 7/19/2018 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
That is not true. There are many cases where JAWS is superior for business uses and where the user can define things that may mean the difference between immediate productivity or waiting for someone to develop an NVDA script.

You can't create frames in NVDA. That is essential for a product that would be represented as on a par with JAWS for business and academic and other specialized uses.

You can't redefine structures such as something that presents itself as a list and you want it represented as something else to get proper functionality.

You don't have the control over how much is spoken automatically as you do with JAWS. That is, there is no screen echo setting as there is in JAWS. At times, such a setting is very valuable.

I helped a woman who was using a VPN for medical transcribing from home. I defined frames that read specific things, such as only the relevant lines of screens and only when needed such as announcing very specific text on the log in screens. I don't remember if I had the frames do anything else such as move the cursor to the proper fields.

This kind of bashing is inaccurate and is ideological. Many of the features people use daily and love in NVDA were either developed in JAWS or refined there. Don't disparage the sholders of those who developed screen-readers and made invaluable contribution to their general design that NVDA stands on.

None of which is to say that NVDA isn't a powerful screen-reader. It is. But there are certain uses where JAWS is still superior and that superiority may mean the difference between employment or not in some settings.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:03 AM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA


Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: possible eloquence solution

 

AAh ok thats good, I will put vocaliser on my synths list to buy again then.

If thats all fixed then I have no issue anymore.

On 7/19/2018 9:57 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
No Sean, when I say OS updates I mean from Windows 7 to 10, major updates.

Windows 10 updates should now work.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 19 July 2018 10:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

Hmmm how does this effect the requent windows 10 feature updates they are in fact os updates.

If we forget to deactivate the thing before, well to put it nicely, its going to happen.

So there should be a way we can independantly reactivate our stuff as long as the hardware in the system, ie processer, and mutherboard probably does not change, hard drives and other drives and memmory can go bad but its probably a given that the cpu won't.

On that note I do wander how this would say effect it if you had a bios upgrade that changed things, in short we need a way to varify things, say the changes were our own.

If we used all alicences or something there should be a way to reset things or even to reactivate but override things so they worked.

Tieing things to a login as additional could help maybe or a way to login and if things have been changed via online remove our unit from the activated state if we forgot to do so and activate it via the web or something.

The windows servicing model is basically a new os ish thing every 6 months.

I see it as a little unfair that we need to deactivate then reactivate, I mean we can do it but if us users forget, there should be a way of us not losing a licence if its only our origional system we are activating unless the os is fully reinstalled or the main board dies or something.




On 7/19/2018 9:13 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi Sean,

This is no longer the case. The licence server now recognises updates and it's not necessary to reactivate, unless you are upgrading hardware, or the actual OS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 09:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

My issue and my only issue with product activation licences in general is the fact that depending how they are constructed ie eloquence, that you have to deactivate it on each major update, thats fine in reality however because there is a 6 month basically new os update it gets a bit well annoying there should be a way to assign a licence to your machine or in the case of win10 an account or something.

And it doesn't have to be like that.

For example windows manages to stay activated on each system update.

Mostly.

Then again maybe its not happened to me.

I have had on my cloud system I admin to reactivate the icloud and some other accounts whenever I update my bios for example but still everything stays up.

I also have issues where machines and licences have a 3 unit limit, in a bit of software I use for dvd extraction, you assign your machine to an id from an account online, if that changes you have to reassign that machine to the single id but at least you can do it yourself as many times as you need.




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Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up.
So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same.
I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease
of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and
download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s
and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10












.






.







Re: Interface and NVDA

 

To be honest it all depends on structure and the brousers used.

Most stuff should work with standards, toptech tidbits had a a few resources but to be honest unless your third party tests things then it doesn't happen.

The only time any site officially gets tested is if its government local or national, government business, university or research.

The genral guy runs the standards or he doesn't if he doesn't he's not going to et in trouble at all.

On 7/19/2018 9:56 PM, David Russell wrote:
Hello NVDA Users,

I was the person who posted about website accessibility and NVDA less
than 24 hours ago. The issue boils down to the website contracted its
services to a third party, and for this present educational platform
they are using a different interface than in 2016. I participate with
another online forum where I guess the interface is much more
compatible with any screen reader once one realizes what is going on.

Besides tech savvy sites like webaim, where can blind persons become
aware of the whole subject of interface and understand reasons why a
screen reader may work with some and not others?
Thanks.


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Since the moderators have asked for this thread to be locked, I won't continue on that, but I could post several programs that NVDA simply won't touch, because it doesn't have video hooks.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: 19 July 2018 10:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

I.E.?


Just curious, since I haven't used Jawssince 2009...





Il 19/07/2018 11:38, Steve Nutt ha scritto:
You might catch up, whether it will be quickly or not is another matter. There's a lot more that NVDA needs to do to come close to JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 18 July 2018 21:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Well nvda is not jaws, the only reason jaws is better than nvda is its older than us and thats just about it.

But I think we will get there.

We have a scripting language which is a standard language that people use, we use standard libraries and formats, there is no custom company proprietry code anywhere.

Saying that, nvda was built for the cloud and web systems a lot of the newer apps handle well with it.

Universal we are not there just yet but we are damn close now to that.

Jaws is older, we don't have what jaws has right now so jaws is still better than nvda but we will catch up, and quickly.




On 7/19/2018 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
That is not true. There are many cases where JAWS is superior for business uses and where the user can define things that may mean the difference between immediate productivity or waiting for someone to develop an NVDA script.

You can't create frames in NVDA. That is essential for a product that would be represented as on a par with JAWS for business and academic and other specialized uses.

You can't redefine structures such as something that presents itself as a list and you want it represented as something else to get proper functionality.

You don't have the control over how much is spoken automatically as you do with JAWS. That is, there is no screen echo setting as there is in JAWS. At times, such a setting is very valuable.

I helped a woman who was using a VPN for medical transcribing from home. I defined frames that read specific things, such as only the relevant lines of screens and only when needed such as announcing very specific text on the log in screens. I don't remember if I had the frames do anything else such as move the cursor to the proper fields.

This kind of bashing is inaccurate and is ideological. Many of the features people use daily and love in NVDA were either developed in JAWS or refined there. Don't disparage the sholders of those who developed screen-readers and made invaluable contribution to their general design that NVDA stands on.

None of which is to say that NVDA isn't a powerful screen-reader. It is. But there are certain uses where JAWS is still superior and that superiority may mean the difference between employment or not in some settings.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:03 AM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA


Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: Motorola & Blackberry phones

 

Hmmm well blackberry if the modern ones do have boards maybe what I end up with maybe.

To be honest, with skype going the way it is, sonnar interactive has been pushing me to get an ios or smart device, and all the family have switched from skype to whats app and I really should be trying to switch to that.

On 7/19/2018 9:50 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Blackberry is android too now and yes they have keyboards. When i asked here in the uk, I was told Motorola phones do not have keys.
Bit off topic for here but fully realise this is a spin off thread from the skype problems in windows thread.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Motorola & Blackberry phones


Dear Shaun & List:
Yes, the Motorola phones are Android, so have the android voice.
There was a speech package for blackberry phones, not sure if it is still being developed or actively marketed. Blackberry has some loyal fans, however has lost much market share. Was the most secure phone available at one time, not sure if it still is?
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Hmmm hold on, Motorola still make keyboarded phones?

Are these android or what, what models and what is the access like?

What is blackberry access like?




On 7/19/2018 2:44 PM, Brian K. Lingard wrote:
Dear Eleni & List:

You do not have to use a touch screen to have a smart Phone.

Motorola makes smart phones with an actual keypad and so does
Blackberry.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
-

It does not matter to me if something is popular, as long as it is accessible.
Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that they would
use what works for me?  I am not going to use something that works
horribly to please everyone else.  I do not need stereo recording, as
long as the sound is clear.  I usually avoid echo cancellation and
noise suppression, as I prefer Omnidirectional microphones which
capture everything, a and which have a Good, full sound.  I am used
to everything from records to mp3 at no more Than 128 kbps and
Sometimes less, so I do not need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Team talk to prevent it
from being extremely loud or distorting sound.  How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying WhatsApp, but I don't know how
well the Web version works with NVDA.  I tried Messenger but although
I got it to Work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy felt transferring.  I hate dealing with Windows
Explorer in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully.  I wish this
one feature existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it was not designed
for that purpose.  I think Team talk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between Team Talk and Team Speak?

I do not own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a Hotspot with my computers at times.  Still, I would not use it
for talking, as it uses many data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft
bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so
bad you cannot use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas
team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a
stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played
around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have many rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to
an Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my
stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum
Connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to
the devil AKA MS. V 4X had great audio. MS broke it.

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1 - Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for
voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't
have. I have used zoom, and I see zero difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression
enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
If I were a podcaster, I would use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I
standby what I said. The audio is crap.

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The audio quality is fine. It is not zoom quality but I can
understand what’s being said, and if I can do my job still I'll
take it. I actually love skype and I do use it on my podcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
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wrote:
The audio quality is crap. Team Talk is better for what you
want to
do.

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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@... <mailto:louvins@...>> *sent:*Monday,
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*Subject:*Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -
I am not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can
figure out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that
would be great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.
Granted, I do not like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...
<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -
I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great
software.  I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their
software, especially when it is not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of
regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly.  Granted, I do not really like the
interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it is better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop!  I tried
it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than I
liked all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible
alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...
<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-
services/skype/
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7/Microsoft-killing-skype-classic-September-1





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