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Re: problem with NVDA and libre office

Quentin Christensen
 

All I can really say to that, is to reiterate what I said earlier - keep reporting bugs!  To us, so we are aware of them (and if we can fix them independently, great!) and particularly to Libre Office, because the more people who report accessibility issues, the more likely they will prioritise working on it (and even hopefully work with us).

Libre Office use a web-based issue tracker, like we do, however they use Bugzilla rather than GitHub, so you'll need to create a free account with them to report issues.  Here is the link: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 8:51 PM Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

I used LibreOffice for years, but when I started to use it with NVDA, a series of incompatibilities and problems (including ugly crashes) annoyed me in such a way that I abandoned it in favor of Microsoft Office.

It's obvious now that the developers of LibreOffice are not interested or prepared to deal with screen reader incompatibilities.

It's a shame because the usability of LibreOffice is much better than MS Office, at least for me. All was done faster in LibreOffice.


Em 21/11/2018 01:10, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
While I don't have any better advice than everyone else for the specific issue, I would encourage those using LibreOffice to also report issues against that project as well.  A lot of things like this, where the information isn't being exposed to us, we can't do anything about - it needs to be a change to LibreOffice to expose that, before we can look for it.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:16 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Bit clunky though. I imagine thatches program is not exposing the correct
data for nvda to read.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with NVDA and libre office


Hello,

To read the alignment in Libre office Writer,
Press alt then right arrow to the format menu,
Arrow down to “ alignment” and right arrow to the sub menu.
       Now up and down arrow, some will say “selected” but the one that says
“checked” will be the current alignment.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: 20 November 2018 03:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with NVDA and libre office

Hi thank you, I did not realize that. Well, at least I wasn't missing
something obvious.


On 11/19/2018 7:16 PM, zahra wrote:
> hi.
> both openoffice and libreoffice dont support reporting alignment for
> nvda screen reader.
> i am not sure about jaws and libreoffice compatibility with jaws, but
> i am sure that you cant read alignment information when using
> libreoffice or openoffice.
>
> On 11/20/18, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I cannot seem to get NVDA to announce the alignment of text in libre
>> office writer, such as left or centered. I will have alignment checked
>> under the document formatting section of preferences but still nothing.
>> NVDA key plus F will read other attributes like font type or size but
>> still not alignment. When I go to other applications with text, like
>> websites for example, NVDA will then read alignment information. What
>> am I missing here? Thank you so much for any help.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
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Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

Hi Quentin,
To change the mode I use NVDA+spacebar, what gives me a error every time I try until I restart my browser.
I noticed it writing on the m.facebook message field, do you know?
No, I can't see the red lines you said, even not knew about them lol
I tested it writing something wrong and then I clicked where was writen "protected by grammarly", something like this.
After the second click it showed me some suggestions to the word I've typed.

Em 21/11/2018 07:11, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

Jacob Kruger
 

I had it both back then, as well as having installed latest update, etc.,
in last week, on two separate machines, and, while it does seem to
interact slightly better with NVDA 2018.4 beta 1, haven't had any real
isssues that took note of, or noticed.

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On 2018-11-21 11:31 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

None I guess, otherwise we would have heard



Maybe try a portable copy of nvda

With default settings and see what that gives you









From: Don H
Sent: 20 November 2018 23:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809



Wonder how many on the list installed Win 10 version 1809 when it first

came out and before it was pulled back. It seems that the strange

verbage I get when openning up the settings app relates to version 1809

and does not happen with version 1803.









Re: problem with NVDA and libre office

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

Hi,

I used LibreOffice for years, but when I started to use it with NVDA, a series of incompatibilities and problems (including ugly crashes) annoyed me in such a way that I abandoned it in favor of Microsoft Office.

It's obvious now that the developers of LibreOffice are not interested or prepared to deal with screen reader incompatibilities.

It's a shame because the usability of LibreOffice is much better than MS Office, at least for me. All was done faster in LibreOffice.


Em 21/11/2018 01:10, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

While I don't have any better advice than everyone else for the specific issue, I would encourage those using LibreOffice to also report issues against that project as well.  A lot of things like this, where the information isn't being exposed to us, we can't do anything about - it needs to be a change to LibreOffice to expose that, before we can look for it.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:16 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Bit clunky though. I imagine thatches program is not exposing the correct
data for nvda to read.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with NVDA and libre office


Hello,

To read the alignment in Libre office Writer,
Press alt then right arrow to the format menu,
Arrow down to “ alignment” and right arrow to the sub menu.
       Now up and down arrow, some will say “selected” but the one that says
“checked” will be the current alignment.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: 20 November 2018 03:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with NVDA and libre office

Hi thank you, I did not realize that. Well, at least I wasn't missing
something obvious.


On 11/19/2018 7:16 PM, zahra wrote:
> hi.
> both openoffice and libreoffice dont support reporting alignment for
> nvda screen reader.
> i am not sure about jaws and libreoffice compatibility with jaws, but
> i am sure that you cant read alignment information when using
> libreoffice or openoffice.
>
> On 11/20/18, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I cannot seem to get NVDA to announce the alignment of text in libre
>> office writer, such as left or centered. I will have alignment checked
>> under the document formatting section of preferences but still nothing.
>> NVDA key plus F will read other attributes like font type or size but
>> still not alignment. When I go to other applications with text, like
>> websites for example, NVDA will then read alignment information. What
>> am I missing here? Thank you so much for any help.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> https://www.avg.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

Chris
 

None I guess, otherwise we would have heard

 

Maybe try a portable copy of nvda

With default settings and see what that gives you

 

 

 

 

From: Don H
Sent: 20 November 2018 23:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Win 10 ver 1809

 

Wonder how many on the list installed Win 10 version 1809 when it first

came out and before it was pulled back.  It seems that the strange

verbage I get when openning up the settings app relates to version 1809

and does not happen with version 1803.

 

 

 

 


Re: Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Marcio,

I do have the Grammarly add-on active in Firefox, but I don't seem to have any problem switching between browse and focus modes.  I don't normally use NVDA+enter to do it though - do you have a particular site you need to do that on?

If I go to say google.com I can move in and out of the edit box changing the contents of it as I like.  Even with automatic switching between modes disabled, I can enter and escape to change modes, or NVDA+spacebar and it all works as it should.

My other question is, do you have enough sight to see Grammarly's red lines, or have you found a way to detect what it has highlighted with NVDA?  Because I've never managed to get it to work with NVDA.  It doesn't break anything for me, but I just can't get NVDA to see what it is flagging anywhere.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


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Re: Polytonic Greek on Braille Displays

John J. Boyer
 

Hi Eleni,

Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis
list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables.

John

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From
what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in
Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which
does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one
which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't
know anything about Coptic.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0.
There will be a new liblouis release soon.
Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic
table. You may need a table for your version of
Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table.

John

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Hello,

I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three
options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit
Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing
buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me
would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't
know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition.
While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be
using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary
means, since I have speech for that.

But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is
no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille.
I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am
learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and
two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version
for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech
alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be
extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed
correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can
any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own?

As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What
are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use
bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For
what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been
with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't
used since 2006.

Thank you,
Eleni

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Gramarly for Firefox and conflicts with NVDA

 

Hello folks,
Anyone here is using Grammarly add-on?
If so, you might already know what it's like.
If not, let me try to explain.
Grammarly was supposed to be a spell checker, what it really does and very well.
What happens, however, is that the add-on is conflicting with NVDA on the exchange between focus and browse mode.
Every time I try to write something with this add-on enabled, I'm not able to do NVDA enter in the field so  I can type. So, if I want to type anything, I need to restart Firefox, aim the field and type without exiting, since once I do it, goodbye, I will never again be able to do NVDA let me type on the field.
 Well, the add-on is really very good, but if I can't find any way to solve this problem, surely I will prefer to let it disabled as I'm doing right now so I can type normally and without troubles.
If anyone uses it or even have any possible solution, please give me a hand. Any help will be highly appreciated.


Re: NVDA 2018.4-Beta 1 doesn't read emojis for me.

 

Hi,
Emoji entry is supported starting with Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4-Beta 1 doesn't read emojis for me.

hi joseph.
may i ask that which versions of windows support emojis?
i wish to know which version of windows support it, not only for blind users, for sighted people i wish to know!
and where is the option for symbol level?
i did not find such option in voice settings!

On 11/21/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
For now, the new setting is mostly used to handle emojis.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4-Beta 1 doesn't read emojis for me.

Ah ha! Hang on, let me check that, because I am using OneCore but I do
have symbol level set to none. Let's give it a shot here. Yep! That
worked just fine, thanks! Now another question, it says it can do
Unicode characters more generally, how do I get to all of those?


On 11/20/2018 12:39, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Eh? That's weird. Have you tried with OneCore synthesizer too? If the
new CLDR setting is checked from voice settings yet NVDA isn't
reading emojis, chances are that you may have symbol level set to none or some.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4-Beta 1 doesn't read emojis for me.

OK, just restarted with all addons disabled. Here we go with trying
to enter an emoji. I could enter one, but it read the same way, 1 of
50, so I have no idea what it was. So I deleted it.


On 11/20/2018 0:26, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What you're describing is the behavior of emoji panel in Version 1803.
Can you try with all add-ons turned off (from exit dialog, select
restart with add-ons disabled)?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4-Beta 1 doesn't read emojis for me.

OK, let's see if this works. No, if I shift tab from most recent I
get "search emoji", then continuing to shift tab I get the
categories like "transportation", but if I use the arrows, it just
does "1 of 250" and so on.


On 11/19/2018 22:47, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


I just noticed now when you are on the recent one if you shift/tab
now it gives you the categories where now you right or left arrow
to them then press the enter key on the one you want then shift tab
or tab to get to the list of them. it seems to be speaking mine out
correctly.


it seems like a slight modification to the tutorial.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 4:46 PM, John Isige wrote:
Just tested the beta, and it doesn't read emojis, at least for me,
with any synthesizer. I get X of Y, e.g. 1 of 50, 2 of 50, and so on.
This happens even with the one-core voices, which used to read
more emojis than any other synthesizer. This happens whether the
copy is installed or portable. Windows 10 64-bit, latest upates,
not 1809 though. Here's the log from when I try to get to an emoji
to put into this message in Thunderbird.


INFO - __main__ (21:37:00.319):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (21:37:01.154):
Config dir: C:\Users\khomus\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (21:37:01.154):
Loading config: C:\Users\khomus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (21:37:01.523):
NVDA version 2018.4beta1
INFO - core.main (21:37:01.523):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation INFO - core.main
(21:37:01.523):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main
(21:37:01.523):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (21:37:01.523):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 INFO -
synthDriverHandler.setSynth (21:37:03.980):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (21:37:04.438):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 INFO -
brailleInput.initialize (21:37:04.441):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (21:37:04.444):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (21:37:04.457):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (21:37:04.520):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (21:37:04.536):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (21:37:05.927):
NVDA initialized
INFO -
globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(21:43:23.134):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'\U0001f6c0'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_SELECTED
isFocusable: False
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem object at 0x07C36F10>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=727, top=479, width=40, height=40)
value: None
appModule:
<'windowsinternal_composableshell_experiences_textinput_inputapp'
(appName
u'windowsinternal_composableshell_experiences_textinput_inputapp',
process ID 8388) at address 7ab9710>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'
appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.17134.191'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 199668
windowClassName: u'Windows.UI.Core.CoreWindow'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 1409286144
windowThreadID: 11456
windowText: u'Microsoft Text Input Application'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0xa73a930 at
79f59e0> UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID: XAML
UIA runtimeID: (42, 199668, 4, 34) UIA providerDescription:
[pid:8388,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider
(unmanaged:Windows.UI.Xaml.dll)] UIA
className: GridViewItem UIA patterns available:
LegacyIAccessiblePattern, VirtualizedItemPattern, InvokePattern,
ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern



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Re: NVDA 2018.4-Beta 1 doesn't read emojis for me.

 

hi joseph.
may i ask that which versions of windows support emojis?
i wish to know which version of windows support it, not only for blind
users, for sighted people i wish to know!
and where is the option for symbol level?
i did not find such option in voice settings!

On 11/21/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
For now, the new setting is mostly used to handle emojis.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4-Beta 1 doesn't read emojis for me.

Ah ha! Hang on, let me check that, because I am using OneCore but I do have
symbol level set to none. Let's give it a shot here. Yep! That worked just
fine, thanks! Now another question, it says it can do Unicode characters
more generally, how do I get to all of those?


On 11/20/2018 12:39, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Eh? That's weird. Have you tried with OneCore synthesizer too? If the new
CLDR setting is checked from voice settings yet NVDA isn't reading emojis,
chances are that you may have symbol level set to none or some.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4-Beta 1 doesn't read emojis for me.

OK, just restarted with all addons disabled. Here we go with trying to
enter an emoji. I could enter one, but it read the same way, 1 of 50, so I
have no idea what it was. So I deleted it.


On 11/20/2018 0:26, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What you're describing is the behavior of emoji panel in Version 1803.
Can you try with all add-ons turned off (from exit dialog, select restart
with add-ons disabled)?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.4-Beta 1 doesn't read emojis for me.

OK, let's see if this works. No, if I shift tab from most recent I get
"search emoji", then continuing to shift tab I get the categories like
"transportation", but if I use the arrows, it just does "1 of 250" and so
on.


On 11/19/2018 22:47, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


I just noticed now when you are on the recent one if you shift/tab
now it gives you the categories where now you right or left arrow to
them then press the enter key on the one you want then shift tab or
tab to get to the list of them. it seems to be speaking mine out
correctly.


it seems like a slight modification to the tutorial.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2018 4:46 PM, John Isige wrote:
Just tested the beta, and it doesn't read emojis, at least for me,
with any synthesizer. I get X of Y, e.g. 1 of 50, 2 of 50, and so on.
This happens even with the one-core voices, which used to read more
emojis than any other synthesizer. This happens whether the copy is
installed or portable. Windows 10 64-bit, latest upates, not 1809
though. Here's the log from when I try to get to an emoji to put
into this message in Thunderbird.


INFO - __main__ (21:37:00.319):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (21:37:01.154):
Config dir: C:\Users\khomus\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (21:37:01.154):
Loading config: C:\Users\khomus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (21:37:01.523):
NVDA version 2018.4beta1
INFO - core.main (21:37:01.523):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation INFO - core.main
(21:37:01.523):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main
(21:37:01.523):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (21:37:01.523):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 INFO -
synthDriverHandler.setSynth (21:37:03.980):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (21:37:04.438):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 INFO -
brailleInput.initialize (21:37:04.441):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (21:37:04.444):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (21:37:04.457):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (21:37:04.520):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (21:37:04.536):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (21:37:05.927):
NVDA initialized
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(21:43:23.134):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'\U0001f6c0'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_SELECTED
isFocusable: False
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem object at 0x07C36F10>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=727, top=479, width=40, height=40)
value: None
appModule:
<'windowsinternal_composableshell_experiences_textinput_inputapp'
(appName
u'windowsinternal_composableshell_experiences_textinput_inputapp',
process ID 8388) at address 7ab9710>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'
appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.17134.191'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 199668
windowClassName: u'Windows.UI.Core.CoreWindow'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 1409286144
windowThreadID: 11456
windowText: u'Microsoft Text Input Application'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0xa73a930 at
79f59e0> UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID: XAML
UIA runtimeID: (42, 199668, 4, 34)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:8388,providerId:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:Windows.UI.Xaml.dll)] UIA
className: GridViewItem UIA patterns available:
LegacyIAccessiblePattern, VirtualizedItemPattern, InvokePattern,
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Re: Polytonic Greek on Braille Displays

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From
what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in
Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which
does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one
which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't
know anything about Coptic.

On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0.
There will be a new liblouis release soon.
Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic
table. You may need a table for your version of
Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table.

John

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Hello,

I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three
options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit
Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing
buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me
would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't
know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition.
While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be
using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary
means, since I have speech for that.

But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is
no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille.
I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am
learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and
two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version
for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech
alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be
extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed
correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can
any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own?

As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What
are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use
bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For
what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been
with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't
used since 2006.

Thank you,
Eleni

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Re: Polytonic Greek on Braille Displays

John J. Boyer
 

Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0. There will be a new liblouis release soon.
Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic table. You may need a table for your version of
Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table.

John

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Hello,

I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three
options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit
Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing
buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me
would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't
know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition.
While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be
using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary
means, since I have speech for that.

But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is
no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille.
I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am
learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and
two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version
for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech
alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be
extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed
correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can
any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own?

As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What
are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use
bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For
what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been
with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't
used since 2006.

Thank you,
Eleni

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thunderbird speeding up

 

Hi.

One thing I did do, was go to the thunderbird directory in program files and in the distribution\extentions and in the thunder bird folder \extentions I killed all the files in there.

Now I may have wrecked something but thunderbird no longer has a wait when starting up, there is no homescreen in fact it seems to load the inbox quite fast.


Re: audio ducking

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


thank you much.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] audio ducking

Hi Isaac,

I responded about an hour ago ;-)

What I said was, in terms of NVDA's options, no there isn't a way to change it presently.

Whether there is a technical way to change that, I'm not sure.  The best option would be to create an issue on GitHub with a rationale for adding the option, and it could then be investigated: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 2:36 PM Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:
Hi, not sure if anyone responded but is there a way to ajust timing for ducking?



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Re: problem with NVDA and libre office

Ashley Wayne
 

Thank you all for responding.  I will report that issue to them, I appreciate the advice. On 11/20/2018 8:10 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

While I don't have any better advice than everyone else for the specific issue, I would encourage those using LibreOffice to also report issues against that project as well.  A lot of things like this, where the information isn't being exposed to us, we can't do anything about - it needs to be a change to LibreOffice to expose that, before we can look for it.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:16 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Bit clunky though. I imagine thatches program is not exposing the correct
data for nvda to read.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with NVDA and libre office


Hello,

To read the alignment in Libre office Writer,
Press alt then right arrow to the format menu,
Arrow down to “ alignment” and right arrow to the sub menu.
       Now up and down arrow, some will say “selected” but the one that says
“checked” will be the current alignment.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: 20 November 2018 03:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with NVDA and libre office

Hi thank you, I did not realize that. Well, at least I wasn't missing
something obvious.


On 11/19/2018 7:16 PM, zahra wrote:
> hi.
> both openoffice and libreoffice dont support reporting alignment for
> nvda screen reader.
> i am not sure about jaws and libreoffice compatibility with jaws, but
> i am sure that you cant read alignment information when using
> libreoffice or openoffice.
>
> On 11/20/18, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I cannot seem to get NVDA to announce the alignment of text in libre
>> office writer, such as left or centered. I will have alignment checked
>> under the document formatting section of preferences but still nothing.
>> NVDA key plus F will read other attributes like font type or size but
>> still not alignment. When I go to other applications with text, like
>> websites for example, NVDA will then read alignment information. What
>> am I missing here? Thank you so much for any help.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
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Re: audio ducking

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Isaac,

I responded about an hour ago ;-)

What I said was, in terms of NVDA's options, no there isn't a way to change it presently.

Whether there is a technical way to change that, I'm not sure.  The best option would be to create an issue on GitHub with a rationale for adding the option, and it could then be investigated: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 2:36 PM Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:
Hi, not sure if anyone responded but is there a way to ajust timing for ducking?



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audio ducking

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Hi, not sure if anyone responded but is there a way to ajust timing for ducking?


Polytonic Greek on Braille Displays

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Hello,

I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three
options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit
Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing
buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me
would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't
know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition.
While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be
using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary
means, since I have speech for that.

But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is
no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille.
I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am
learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and
two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version
for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech
alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be
extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed
correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can
any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own?

As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What
are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use
bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For
what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been
with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't
used since 2006.

Thank you,
Eleni

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Re: continues in beta

 

Hi,

To me, based on available evidence 9log file), it appears it is an odd live region that’s speaking when it is supposed to be silent. The log I got also points to UIA not working in that instance.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] continues in beta

 

That's interesting.  It sounds as though it thinks it is reading some sort of credit or copyright information as a menu.  I don't know if that makes any sense technically.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 12:32 PM

Subject: [nvda] continues in beta

 

With the last release of NVDA when you open up the settings menu NVDA
reads what I call trash.  This issue still remains with the 2018-4 beta 1.
It is saying something like
C equals microsoft windows
O equals Microsoft corporation
L equals readman
F equals Washington
c equals us windows



Re: autocorrect in Word 365

Quentin Christensen
 

Excellent, glad to hear you got it working!

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:00 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
thanks Quentin, deleting the existing auto corrects worked a treat :)



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