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Re: Is there a more complete Emoji dictionary anywhere for Espeak?

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Steve Nutt wrote:

I am using NVDA more and more now in my daily work, but I do find it
frustrating that Espeak doesn’t pronounce many Emojis correctly.  For example,
the Colon followed by Right Bracket, should be “Smiling Face with Smiling Eyes”.
But it is oddly pronounced by Espeak as Twelve.
Hi Steve

I know this was a couple weeks ago, but during this thread, I don't think anyone mentioned the Emoticons add-on, which might be of some help to you.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/./addons/emoticons.en.html

Luke

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Re: Layers and NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Honestly I have not heard the term layering used in the way that you are using it.

There is programmatic layering, which is mainly about isolating different portions of a program into higher and lower functions that only know about the layer directly above/below them.

There is screen reader keyboard layers, which is when one screen reader keyboard command (gesture, in NVDA terms), causes other keys on the keyboard to have effects other than they usually would.

For example, the Developer Toolkit add-on for NVDA does this.
Read more about it here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/./addons/developerToolkit.en.html
You press a certain key sequence, after which other keyboard keys now do something dedicated to that add-on, instead of whatever they did before. It is a way of using more keyboard commands than you normally have keys available to use conveniently.

But I don't think that's quite what you're talking about, at least not entirely, as you seem to be bringing in other concepts of programs interacting with each other, which I have not heard called layering.

Then again, there is much I don't know. You may be better off asking about this on either the nvda-devel or nvda-addons lists.
https://groups.io/g/nvda-devel
https://groups.io/g/nvda-addons


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Re: Layers and NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes and no. When I sim, I have a program which allows me to use an AP we are coding. So I hit the right bracket, I hear a beep, and then its application takes over and II can then use keys without interfeering with my sim and lowering my landing ggear let's say. Think home row mode in jaws, or BX mode in jaws. It is a really cool concept

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On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:03, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi all you experts!

 

I have only heard of layers yesterday, would you believe?

 

I have been involved in programming since DOS days and have HTML C++ and Cobol and basic under my belt but I have not been active in programming for the pat 20 years . perhaps that would excuse me?

 

Can you point me to a good introduction to the concept of “Layers” in modern programs? My discovery of all this came from a question at a recent tech discussion asking “What are Layered keys?” As you can guess, I had no idea what this meant and started reading.

 

So far, I have the impression that “layering” allows an application to access some other program or application, like Photo shop or a browser, to capture data while the user keeps the application open and, in fact, does not need to know that an outside application has been called. I assume that NVDA’s OCR is such a case in which NVDA can launch its OCR function without closing the base application(a new term which, as you can see, I am already using like  a pro!). This allows the OCR function to hook any other resources that are on the computer or network that enable the OCR to take place, even though those same resources have nothing to do with the base application. Have I got that right?

 

If I have correctly understood the basic idea, I am really pleased. Then comes what does a screen reader do about this situation? Does the screen reader ever let the user know that there is a layered operation going on? Does the user need to know that there is a layered operation? If so, why? Then, what keystrokes apply to the use of the layer? When does the user know to use “Layered” keystrokes rather than “basic” ones?

 

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Layers and NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi all you experts!

 

I have only heard of layers yesterday, would you believe?

 

I have been involved in programming since DOS days and have HTML C++ and Cobol and basic under my belt but I have not been active in programming for the pat 20 years . perhaps that would excuse me?

 

Can you point me to a good introduction to the concept of “Layers” in modern programs? My discovery of all this came from a question at a recent tech discussion asking “What are Layered keys?” As you can guess, I had no idea what this meant and started reading.

 

So far, I have the impression that “layering” allows an application to access some other program or application, like Photo shop or a browser, to capture data while the user keeps the application open and, in fact, does not need to know that an outside application has been called. I assume that NVDA’s OCR is such a case in which NVDA can launch its OCR function without closing the base application(a new term which, as you can see, I am already using like  a pro!). This allows the OCR function to hook any other resources that are on the computer or network that enable the OCR to take place, even though those same resources have nothing to do with the base application. Have I got that right?

 

If I have correctly understood the basic idea, I am really pleased. Then comes what does a screen reader do about this situation? Does the screen reader ever let the user know that there is a layered operation going on? Does the user need to know that there is a layered operation? If so, why? Then, what keystrokes apply to the use of the layer? When does the user know to use “Layered” keystrokes rather than “basic” ones?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: NVDA doesn't read context menu

 

Others have already covered the items in #1 on this list, but I'm putting it here for completeness.  There is a pretty standard succession of things to try when any issue comes up, in order, depending on whether NVDA is involved or not.  If it's not, then skipping item #1 is fine.

1. The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues
2. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
[Preferably before doing #3 and absolutely before doing #4, taking a full user data backup and a full system image backup is required.]
3. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file
4. Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Fetch the Win10 ISO File
    (and since you will have already fetched the ISO file for step 3, you can begin in the instructions at the point immediately after it's been downloaded, or you can instead
     follow these instructions: Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive)
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Re: NVDA doesn't read context menu

Luke Davis
 

On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 高生旺 wrote:

Have done but no effect.
Have you restarted the machine (actual windows restart, not turning off and on again)?

What version of NVDA and Windows?

Have you tried running NVDA with add-ons disabled?

Also, I know it seems silly, but try the COM Registration Fix tool again. I know of at least one case where a user reported that it didn't fix a problem it should have during the first run, but did after being run again. In theory that shouldn't be true, but that's what he reported.

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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Also, other screen reader manuals refer to them as star and slash, so they should at least be referenced as such.

All the best

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

That may be but I think the other way to refer to the keys should be given, perhaps in parenthesis. So numpad divide might be listed as numpad divide (slash). I generally see these keys referred to as slash and star, as I recall in discussions on various blind user lists I'm on.

gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 5:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 05:47 PM, David Russell wrote:
wonder what is meant by commands numpad-divide or numpad-multiply?- Exactly what they say. There are conventions for referring to specific keys on and surrounding the Number Pad as there are on the regular keyboard, and the 4 primary operations are:

Multiply - which is always the star/asterisk if you are looking at the character
Divide - which is always the slash
Plus - self explanatory
Minus - also pretty much self explanatory, but one could also say it's
the dash/hyphen

It is far more conventional to refer to number pad keys by their actual mathematical function, not as though they were alternative ways to enter those four text characters, but you can, of course, use them that way, as they can serve that purpose whether or not number lock is on.

The NVDA documentation follows the most common terminology for making reference to those key, by mathematical sign/function.
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Re: NVDA doesn't read context menu

=?ISO-2022-JP?Q?=1B$B9b=4082=22=1B=28J?=
 

Still no effect. I must to re-install office or reset windows to fix it.

On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 08:41:27 +0100
From: Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't read context menu
Did you restart after running the com registration tool?
 
If not, then do so!
 
 
From: 高生旺
Sent: 11 April 2021 07:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't read context menu
 
Have done but no effect.
 
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, Luke Davis wrote:
 

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:32:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't read context menu
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 高生旺 wrote:
 
After uninstall MS office, my NVDA doesn't read context menu.
 
I should just have this tattooed on my head: run the COM Registration Fixing
Tool. This is a textbook case of what it's for.
Press NVDA+n, t, r, enter. That's with an English keyboard setup, on English
language NVDA.
Press Okay when prompted, and authenticate the Windows permission dialog
which appears.
Press OK again when the completion Window comes up.
 
Luke
 
"In this life there are obstacles, and forces who overcome obstacles. You can
be either one or the other.
If you refuse to even try to clear an obstacle, you become the obstacle."
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Re: NVDA doesn't read context menu

Chris
 

Did you restart after running the com registration tool?

 

If not, then do so!

 

 

From: 高生旺
Sent: 11 April 2021 07:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't read context menu

 

Have done but no effect.

 

On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, Luke Davis wrote:

 

> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:32:08 -0400 (EDT)

> From: Luke Davis <luke@...>

> Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't read context menu

>

> On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 高生旺 wrote:

>> After uninstall MS office, my NVDA doesn't read context menu.

> I should just have this tattooed on my head: run the COM Registration Fixing

> Tool. This is a textbook case of what it's for.

> Press NVDA+n, t, r, enter. That's with an English keyboard setup, on English

> language NVDA.

> Press Okay when prompted, and authenticate the Windows permission dialog

> which appears.

> Press OK again when the completion Window comes up.

> Luke

> "In this life there are obstacles, and forces who overcome obstacles. You can

> be either one or the other.

> If you refuse to even try to clear an obstacle, you become the obstacle."

> - Joel Shepherd

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA doesn't read context menu

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Have done but no effect.

On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, Luke Davis wrote:

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:32:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't read context menu
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 高生旺 wrote:

After uninstall MS office, my NVDA doesn't read context menu.
I should just have this tattooed on my head: run the COM Registration Fixing Tool. This is a textbook case of what it's for.
Press NVDA+n, t, r, enter. That's with an English keyboard setup, on English language NVDA.
Press Okay when prompted, and authenticate the Windows permission dialog which appears.
Press OK again when the completion Window comes up.

Luke

"In this life there are obstacles, and forces who overcome obstacles. You can be either one or the other.
If you refuse to even try to clear an obstacle, you become the obstacle."
- Joel Shepherd





Re: NVDA doesn't read context menu

Luke Davis
 

On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 高生旺 wrote:

After uninstall MS office, my NVDA doesn't read context menu.
I should just have this tattooed on my head: run the COM Registration Fixing Tool. This is a textbook case of what it's for.
Press NVDA+n, t, r, enter. That's with an English keyboard setup, on English language NVDA.
Press Okay when prompted, and authenticate the Windows permission dialog which appears.
Press OK again when the completion Window comes up.

Luke

"In this life there are obstacles, and forces who overcome obstacles. You can be either one or the other.
If you refuse to even try to clear an obstacle, you become the obstacle."
- Joel Shepherd


MathPlayer doesn't work in MS word

=?ISO-2022-JP?Q?=1B$B9b=4082=22=1B=28J?=
 

Hi

MathPlayer doesn't work with new MathType in MS word.
Is any alternative there?


NVDA doesn't read context menu

=?ISO-2022-JP?Q?=1B$B9b=4082=22=1B=28J?=
 

Hi,

After uninstall MS office, my NVDA doesn't read context menu.
Why and how to fix this?


locked Re: BLIND SAD NEWS

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello everyone:

While I am truly sorry about the loss of this individual, I do think that further discussion should take place on the chat list. If you disagree, please send your comments to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io. We all, as a community, mourn any loss, including this one. Yet we are all here to discuss NVDA, and this is why people sign up to this group. I do hope my message is not insensitive or offensive to anyone, and again, if you disagree, please write your comments to the owner address.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 4:50 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

No way! Did he post often?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christo Vorster
Sent: April 10, 2021 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] BLIND SAD NEWS

 

Hi Group

 

It is with a heavy heart that I want to inform you that Hendrik Esterhuyzen passed away this afternoon. Currently we don’t have any more information, we will let you know when we have more information.

 

Rest in Peace, my friend.

 

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Arlene
 

No way! Did he post often?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christo Vorster
Sent: April 10, 2021 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] BLIND SAD NEWS

 

Hi Group

 

It is with a heavy heart that I want to inform you that Hendrik Esterhuyzen passed away this afternoon. Currently we don’t have any more information, we will let you know when we have more information.

 

Rest in Peace, my friend.

 

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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

 

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 06:56 PM, Blaster wrote:
Google Chrome extension which disables this overlay on any website it encounters
-
Which should work under any Chromium-based browser, including Edge.  All you have to do is enable the installation of Chrome Store extensions under Edge:
1. Open Extensions from the Edge Menu
2. At the bottom of the Extensions page is a toggle for Allow extensions from other stores.  Turn it on.
3. Navigate to the Chrome Store page for the extension you want (within Edge) and activate the Add to Chrome button.  The button label does not change unless something's been tweaked in that regard very recently.
 
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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

Blaster
 

Hi all,

The Mosen at large podcast is definitely worth listening to, it's
quite disturbing. Mike Calvo and Matt Campbell developed a free Google
Chrome extension which disables this overlay on any website it
encounters with no need for the user to do anything, it's all
automatic. They said their working on an Edge and Firefox version as
well. Here's the link to the extension on the Google Play store, it's
called "AccesiByeBye".

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/accessibyebye/ikcamkknjfdplkdjjncobgmpciklohjg/related

HTH,
Blaster

On 4/10/21, Jonathan COHN via groups.io
<jonathan.c.cohn=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
This site is usingaccessiBe overlay to modify their page. Jonathan Mosen did
a entire show just about this overlay. I have a few opinions on this, but
will be refraining and speaking them here.

On Apr 10, 2021, at 13:10, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello NVDA,

For the sake of update or summary, thanks everyone for your input into
this topic.
I am curious to know a little more about the option to use what is
called 'screen reader mode.'
Is this a way for websites to make their offerings or content more
accessible to those using screen readers?

Can a website detect when someone is visiting their website and
cookies gather what browser they are using and specialized
peripherals?
On Thursday, it appeared I was just one of the fray interested in
applying to webull.com. On Friday, the screen reader mode option was
read to me.

I gather from the information in the NVDA manual, and that found at
other websites like computer hope.com, that there are different ways
to use the mouse together with NVDA. Is that a correct assumption?

Like Sarah, I too learn what I have to do in order to accomplish what
I do on the computer or any mobile device. Hence, my skills, too, are
perhaps limited or defined.

I will check back when the daily summary appears in my inbox on Sunday
to read what replies may appear. Again, much thanks!

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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

Gene
 

My point, if my message wasn't clear, is that you can't discuss these things, which should be discussed in a screen-reader user guide, without explaining briefly what browse mode is and then explaining what I discussed.

Browse mode is not a part of Windows or of Windows programs. it is a screen-reader feature, just as object navigation or screen review is.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

The user should know something about the virtual pc cursor or browse mode,
as NVDA calls it. If they don't, they won't know why you switch browse mode
off for certain reasons and then on again. They won't know that the web
page, as they experience it may not be laid out the same way as a sighted
person sees it and won't be able to translate what a sighted person tells
them to where something might be on the page. They won't understand that at
times, if you turhn off browse mode, you may see a control that, for some
reason, you won't if it is on and even if they know that, they won't
understand why. They should know that quick navigation commands are used in
browse mode and that they are not a part of a sighted person browsing the
web.

An exhaustive technical knowledge of browse mode isn't necessary. You do
need to know that you are using a cursor that doesn't exist on the web page
and a sighted person doesn't see one. You should know the things I stated
above if you are a serious Internet user.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:28 PM, tim wrote:
And yes, in college your are expected to know some stuff. They don't spoon
feed.-
And the issue of spoon-feeding aside, as I don't think that's exactly what's
being asked for here, there is, as I have asserted earlier, every reason for
software developers for Windows, in the year 2021, to believe that they do
not and should not have to discuss certain Windows basics as part of their
training manuals and certain terminology, either.

People can, and will, occasionally have gaps in their knowledge. I have
gaps in my knowledge. I had to get a lot of instruction on the concept of
the virtual cursor when I first started working with screen readers. But I
don't expect that the documentation on how to use a screen reader is likely
even to discuss the virtual cursor because it's an "under the hood" feature
that the end user really has no need to know much about in "daily driving"
with a screen reader.

If something is unfamiliar in a given piece of documentation then the
appropriate course of action is to ask about it. Sometimes, and only
sometimes, it is absolutely apropriate to update the documentation. Others
it's appropriate to leave it be because the majority of readers will know
the terminology already, or ask about it once. That's why it's always handy
to have a section dedicated to standard notation in a given piece of
documentation as abbreviations often get used, e.g., NVDA+{whatever}, where
NVDA in that context could be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on the
keyboard layout. But I don't want, "NVDA+N (INSERT+N for desktop, CAPS
LOCK+N for laptop keyboard layouts, respectively)" everywhere NVDA+N is
used. There is every reason that the reader of something like the NVDA User
Guide should have probably either reviewed, or will look up, the concept of
the NVDA key when they're unfamiliar with that notation.

You cannot and should not presume "blank slates" when writing documentation
because it then becomes an ever expanding task when you cannot make
reasonable base assumptions about the skill sets of individuals coming to
that documentation.

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Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

Gene
 

The user should know something about the virtual pc cursor or browse mode, as NVDA calls it. If they don't, they won't know why you switch browse mode off for certain reasons and then on again. They won't know that the web page, as they experience it may not be laid out the same way as a sighted person sees it and won't be able to translate what a sighted person tells them to where something might be on the page. They won't understand that at times, if you turhn off browse mode, you may see a control that, for some reason, you won't if it is on and even if they know that, they won't understand why. They should know that quick navigation commands are used in browse mode and that they are not a part of a sighted person browsing the web.

An exhaustive technical knowledge of browse mode isn't necessary. You do need to know that you are using a cursor that doesn't exist on the web page and a sighted person doesn't see one. You should know the things I stated above if you are a serious Internet user.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:28 PM, tim wrote:
And yes, in college your are expected to know some stuff. They don't spoon feed.-
And the issue of spoon-feeding aside, as I don't think that's exactly what's being asked for here, there is, as I have asserted earlier, every reason for software developers for Windows, in the year 2021, to believe that they do not and should not have to discuss certain Windows basics as part of their training manuals and certain terminology, either.

People can, and will, occasionally have gaps in their knowledge. I have gaps in my knowledge. I had to get a lot of instruction on the concept of the virtual cursor when I first started working with screen readers. But I don't expect that the documentation on how to use a screen reader is likely even to discuss the virtual cursor because it's an "under the hood" feature that the end user really has no need to know much about in "daily driving" with a screen reader.

If something is unfamiliar in a given piece of documentation then the appropriate course of action is to ask about it. Sometimes, and only sometimes, it is absolutely apropriate to update the documentation. Others it's appropriate to leave it be because the majority of readers will know the terminology already, or ask about it once. That's why it's always handy to have a section dedicated to standard notation in a given piece of documentation as abbreviations often get used, e.g., NVDA+{whatever}, where NVDA in that context could be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on the keyboard layout. But I don't want, "NVDA+N (INSERT+N for desktop, CAPS LOCK+N for laptop keyboard layouts, respectively)" everywhere NVDA+N is used. There is every reason that the reader of something like the NVDA User Guide should have probably either reviewed, or will look up, the concept of the NVDA key when they're unfamiliar with that notation.

You cannot and should not presume "blank slates" when writing documentation because it then becomes an ever expanding task when you cannot make reasonable base assumptions about the skill sets of individuals coming to that documentation.

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locked BLIND SAD NEWS

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Group

 

It is with a heavy heart that I want to inform you that Hendrik Esterhuyzen passed away this afternoon. Currently we don’t have any more information, we will let you know when we have more information.

 

Rest in Peace, my friend.

 

Christo Vorster

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