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Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

I just tried this in Thunderbird. Moving the mouse to the link isn't necessary. Just moving to the link when reading the message as HTML or as simple HTML, a safer way to read mail in Thunderbird, causes the status line to show the underlying link. I don't know where it might be shown in Windows Live Mail. If it is acdcessible to the screen-reader, it appears to be inconvenient to get to and I didn't see it when I looked using screen review or moving using object navigation.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan,

What e-mail client are you using. Generally, when one has focus on click-through text links the status bar at the bottom of the window frame will show the actual naked URL text. The problem being that it will likely be impossible to maintain focus on both things at once, which is one of the conundrums associated with using a screen reader.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Chris,

           Thanks very much.

           The documentation still needs to be updated to reflect this since Add-Ons very often don't use the native shortcuts.

           The relatively new feature of having add-ons documentation available within NVDA itself makes it really important that all of them have something substantive that tells you about how to use them.  Very often, that may be a line or two, maybe a couple of paragraphs, but having it there for reference is critical.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

Does Outlook have a status line? Windows Live Mail doesn't and Thunderbird does. I'll play withit in Thunderbird and see what happens.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan,

What e-mail client are you using. Generally, when one has focus on click-through text links the status bar at the bottom of the window frame will show the actual naked URL text. The problem being that it will likely be impossible to maintain focus on both things at once, which is one of the conundrums associated with using a screen reader.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Re: whats new in NVDA 20.3 beta 1

Afik Souffir
 


Thanks!

Sent from my Iphone

On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:01, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley@...> wrote:



 

Its where its always been under the nvda menu under help > what’s new

 

From: Afik Souffir
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats new in NVDA 20.3 beta 1

 

 

Hi all,

 

The subject says all.

 

I didn't find any whats new document for this Beta.

 

 

Afik.

 

 


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

Rui Fontes
 

Exato!


Rui


Às 16:50 de 18/09/2020, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

It might be possible, but I don't know how difficult it would be. The way a sighted person would usually see the underlying link is to hover the mouse over it. You would need something to perform that function and then to announce the link by checking the part of the screen where it appears and I don't know if it always appears in the same part.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

That's correct, Gene. I was hoping that perhaps an add-on or keystroke
might be available that, when the keystroke was pressed, the URL would
appear in such a way as to allow the arrow keys to be used to validate its
legitimacy and Escape would close the dialog. This would eliminate copying
it to the clipboard, switching to a different window, pasting it and then
reading it and then closing that window and returning to the message.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Are you asking how to see the underlying address for something that might
say, for example, click here as a link? If you are on the link and open the
context menu, if your e-mail program has this feature, you will see
something like copy shortcut or copy link location, the wording will vary.
Press enter and the underlying link will be copied to the clipboard.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages



Hi All,



Is it possible to quickly see a link in an e-mail message that has been
linked within a specific string of text and not just pasted directly into an
e-mail message with NVDA?


Thanks,

Jonathan


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

You use the standard NVDA command for “read status bar”, NVDA+End

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

 

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

 


Re: whats new in NVDA 20.3 beta 1

Chris
 

 

Its where its always been under the nvda menu under help > what’s new

 

From: Afik Souffir
Sent: 18 September 2020 16:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats new in NVDA 20.3 beta 1

 

 

Hi all,

 

The subject says all.

 

I didn't find any whats new document for this Beta.

 

 

Afik.

 

 


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Rui,

        Now the question is, "How does one use the add-on?"

        I've got it installed, and I've gone to the NVDA Help Menu, Running Add-Ons Documentation, Add Status Bar Reading and the only thing that's displayed in the browser for help is, "Addon ZExplorer, Allows the correct obtaining of the status bar content."   It would be useful to have this documentation give the keystroke or keystrokes and change the title from "Addon ZExplorer" to "Add Status Bar Reading" so that it matches what shows up in the menu structure.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


whats new in NVDA 20.3 beta 1

Afik Souffir
 

 

Hi all,

 

The subject says all.

 

I didn't find any whats new document for this Beta.

 

 

Afik.

 


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, it is a manifest.ini problem with some final versions of NVDA...

Without any change in the manifest.ini was working alright in the last Alpha...


Rui Fontes


Às 16:27 de 18/09/2020, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Rui,

           FYI, that version of the Add-On is allowing it to be installed.  The original would not install for me, either.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

 

Rui,

           FYI, that version of the Add-On is allowing it to be installed.  The original would not install for me, either.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Navigating to a specific link when there are many on a webpage

 

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:02 AM, Andy Jobben wrote:
I cant use the V because i sometimes use the other as well.
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Unless you are actually visiting many links on this page, even doing a brute force traversal only of the links you've visited is faster than tabbing.  If you've only visited a few links on the page, and generally only visit a few, using a couple of hits of the V visited link command can be even faster than using screen reader find for pages you revisit on a frequent basis.

But for any page that you're new to, or newish to, using either regular browser find, screen reader find, or both is far more efficient.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

 

Jonathan,

          What e-mail client are you using.  Generally, when one has focus on click-through text links the status bar at the bottom of the window frame will show the actual naked URL text.  The problem being that it will likely be impossible to maintain focus on both things at once, which is one of the conundrums associated with using a screen reader.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan Milam
 

That's correct, Gene. I was hoping that perhaps an add-on or keystroke
might be available that, when the keystroke was pressed, the URL would
appear in such a way as to allow the arrow keys to be used to validate its
legitimacy and Escape would close the dialog. This would eliminate copying
it to the clipboard, switching to a different window, pasting it and then
reading it and then closing that window and returning to the message.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Are you asking how to see the underlying address for something that might
say, for example, click here as a link? If you are on the link and open the
context menu, if your e-mail program has this feature, you will see
something like copy shortcut or copy link location, the wording will vary.
Press enter and the underlying link will be copied to the clipboard.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages



Hi All,



Is it possible to quickly see a link in an e-mail message that has been
linked within a specific string of text and not just pasted directly into an
e-mail message with NVDA?


Thanks,

Jonathan


Re: Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Gene
 

Are you asking how to see the underlying address for something that might say, for example, click here as a link? If you are on the link and open the context menu, if your e-mail program has this feature, you will see something like copy shortcut or copy link location, the wording will vary. Press enter and the underlying link will be copied to the clipboard.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Masked URLs in E-mail messages



Hi All,



Is it possible to quickly see a link in an e-mail message that has been linked within a specific string of text and not just pasted directly into an e-mail message with NVDA?


Thanks,

Jonathan


Re: Navigating to a specific link when there are many on a webpage

Andy Jobben
 

Thank you all for the anwers.

I cant use the V because i sometimes use the other aswell.

but i will try using the search function like you have mentioned.


Re: NVDA reading names of selected files in a file list

Rui Fontes
 

Very strange!

Maybe some problem in manifest.ini...


Try this one:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1icqocjs6xztdh7/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 18:43 de 17/09/2020, Janet Brandly escreveu:

Hello Rui,

I just had a look at your addon and it doesn’t seem to be compatible with the latest stable version of NVDA. That’s unfortunate.

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: September 17, 2020 4:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading names of selected files

 

Hello Quentin!

 

Ther is a add-on, develloped by me, that allows the reading of status bar in Windows 10 File explorer...

You can get it at:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/ZExplorer.nvda-addon

 

The option that I think Janet wants does not exist in NVDA, meaning that NVDA have no way to read the name of selected files...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 09:16 de 17/09/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Normally, as Gene noted, you should be able to use NVDA+end / NVDA+shift+end to read the status bar, however there is a bug preventing that from Working in File Explorer in Windows 10 - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769

 

One thing you can do, is use NVDA's next and previous object commands (NVDA+numpad 4 / NVDA+shift+left arrow for previous, NVDA+numpad 6 / NVDA+shift+right arrow for next).  That will move object navigation through the items in the list.  One quirk is it won't announce "selected" for items which are selected, but will announce "not selected" for items which are not selected.  (It's not so much a bug as, 99% of the time people are moving through the list one item at a time and don't want to hear every item as selected).

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:

use tab and shift+tab to ensure you are in list view for selecting files.

On 17/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't know what Windows 10 does, Windows 7 displays a status line you  can
>
> read that tells you the number of files selected.
>
> As I recall, the NVDA command to read what is selected only applies to
> text.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Brandly
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Reading names of selected files
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I’m using the latest NVDA (not the beta) with windows 10 I’m trying to move
>
> some files from my downloads folder into my documents folder and using the
> shift + down-arrow keys to select them, but NVDA isn’t confirming that
> they’re
> selected when I use the “read selected text” command. Is there a better
> command to use to confirm that files are selected for moving, copying, ect?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Masked URLs in E-mail messages

Jonathan Milam
 

Hi All,

 

Is it possible to quickly see a link in an e-mail message that has been linked within a specific string of text and not just pasted directly into an e-mail message with NVDA?


Thanks,

Jonathan

 


Re: NVDA and security info

Afik Souffir
 

 

The customer service manager read about NVDA and said she thinks that’s ok.

As far as I know, there IT department did a security check on the NVDA install file.

But, they said they need to check my laptop and NVDA and decide if I'll work on my laptop or there computer.

 

Afik.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and secuirity info

 

Well, as far as I understand, if their it allows you to securely login to their system, all they need is install your display drivers, nvda and addons you need on the system and thats it in admin mode.

If your laptop, they may just give you remote access but you will still need nvda installed on that system.

That is assuming they don't then say nvda is not secure because it is opensource and then ask you to jaws.

 

 

On 18/09/2020 8:38 pm, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Recently I found myself on many interviews for jobs. One of the questions I have to answer is: NVDA can work on secure system?

Such, organazations, companies, and such?

 

I read that the answer is yes, but I would like a clear answer here.

 

One of the companies ask me to go to them again, with my braille display and laptop, so they can check if NVDA is secure, and how I will work, with my laptop or on there.

 

 

Thanks for any answer.

 

Afik.

 

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