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Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Gene
 

If it happens, it is possible. I seldom say that an odd problem is not possible because I've seen all sorts of rare strange things happen. If I make sure a problem is reported accurately or the message sent is detailed enough to know it is, I usually accept reports of odd behavior.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 3:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser



That does not seem possible. If you have your html files etc set to open in edge, all of them should open in edge, at least that’s what I’ve been told over the years. Since nvda’s shortcut has to lead to an html help file, it should in theory open up in edge or what ever you set up to open html files.



Good luck.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser



Hi. When I opened the user guide from the NVDA website, it opened in Edge. It seems to be the shortcuts to the user guide in the NVDA menus that open in another browser.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 04:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
That [NVDA opening HTML files in something other than the default browser] does not seem possible.
-
And I'll declare that you are 100% correct.  I can change default browsers and every time I do, if I open the Keyboard Commands Quick Reference it opens in whatever the default browser is.

I stand by my earlier assertion that this is an idiosyncrasy on the machine in question.  And when you see that sort of idiosyncrasy, that is highly suggestive that there are likely to be others not yet encountered.  It makes sense to do one (or if necessary, both), of the following:

Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10

Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Gene
 

It has to do with automatic language switching. HTML identifies the language being used and if automatic language switching is on in NVDA and supported by the synthesizer being used, the symthesizer will try to speak in the language designated in the HTML.

I don't know enough about the setting to discuss turning it off nor which synthesizers support it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



I have not changed anything. I don't even know how to read anything other than English. But her messages come through in French or something like that.



Here is the odd thing. If I select, I can read the message but if I just listen, at least with my speech synth it comes out in some odd language. I even tried with espeak. Here is a very short file of what I mean. I dun no even how I should submit this to GitHub as this might be a picnic error, at least for the 2 of us who hear it.



Link to db file is here.





-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



That is indeed odd, as all your messages come in in English for me.

Christina's messages however read in another language using Gmail's web interface. When Brian quotes them, they come through in English.

This has happened occasionally on this list, and only this list.



On 2/1/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:

Sarah,
This is the second message you've said came through in another
languages - it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just
fine. I'm trying to think what the issue you are hitting could be -
I would have assumed even if you had somehow set Outlook to use
another language, it still wouldn't automatically translate messages,
just the interface (much like if you set NVDA's interface language to
another language, it only changes how NVDA's menus are presented and
NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for instance the text of an email.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I have no idea what the conversation was about, but would Microsoft
sway work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up
in another language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.
Tc all.
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word
I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now.
These content controls on the developer ribbon have always been
problematic in one way or another (and if not in entering them, then
in filling in the forms they create).
So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make? Word is
likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you
want people to fill in like this. Something like Google forms are
popular for online survey type forms. For something you want people
to be able to either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular, ordinary table:
- Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label
("name", "address", etc), and the right column is where you type your
response
- For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label
("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width
cell below that to enter the response.
A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab
through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will
work for just about everyone.
Quentin
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc
<ebetiucristina@gmail.com>
wrote:
Good afternoon everybody!
I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.
1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t
Looks like they have iven not been incerted.
2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not
read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not
Show the
Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus
mode. Can you
helpp me further?
I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!
greetings
Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
für Windows 10
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Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
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Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>


Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hmm, I’m using outlook over here. As I demonstrated, if I select, I can read it in the English voice. But if I just up and down arrow it reads in the German accent or what ever you said. If I said French in the recording, I apologize deeply.

 

Well, I do hope that the OP gets their problem fixed either in excel or if they need a form by using sway or google forms.

 

Good luck and happy Monday.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

Hi Sarah.  It's reading English with a German accent.  Interestingly, when I read the subject line using the groups.io web interface, it did the same thing for me when reading the colon in "re:", but not the rest of the information.  I'm using the Windows OneCore voices.

Louise


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Sarah k Alawami
 

That does not seem possible. If you have your html files etc set to open in edge, all of them should open in  edge, at least that’s what I’ve been told over the years. Since nvda’s shortcut has to lead to an html help file, it should in theory open up in edge or what ever you set up to open html files.

 

Good luck.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  When I opened the user guide from the NVDA website, it opened in Edge.  It seems to be the shortcuts to the user guide in the NVDA menus that open in another browser.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Sarah.  It's reading English with a German accent.  Interestingly, when I read the subject line using the groups.io web interface, it did the same thing for me when reading the colon in "re:", but not the rest of the information.  I'm using the Windows OneCore voices.

Louise


Re: edge and gmail

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 02:11 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.
-
Shaun,

          As moderator, I am going to issue this warning but once:  Stop posting utterly inaccurate information.  This is absolutely untrue and anyone who has been around Windows for decades knows it to be so.

           Your assertion about repair installs is incorrect also.

            You do not ever seem to notice how idiosyncratic virtually all your problems are.  And you are the only person I know who has had to do as many "nuke and pave" reinstalls as you have.  That tells me something, and it isn't good.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: edge and gmail

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
what is quentin's email address?
-
He has always requested that stuff like this be sent to info@..., and include an explanation of why the log is being sent in the email message itself.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: edge and gmail

 

what is quentin's email address?

I'll send it to him some time today.

On 2/02/2021 9:22 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Email the log to quenten, or attach the log in a bug report on github, or in a comment if there is a bug report on said issue. The markdown will take care of the rest.

Good luck.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Well did more testing.

if I go to www.gmail.com and start typing in the user field, nvda will crash, I restart nvda, and it will work till I restart the system.

So its some sort of interacting issue.

Once nvda is started, then.

if anyone wants a log that will be fine I am using the latest edge stable.



On 2/02/2021 8:12 am, Mike Capelle wrote:
Weird, I use chkdsk all the time, and it works no problem on ntfs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed
things so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up
ntfs partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.





















.














Re: Strategies for navigating YouTube comments using NVDA?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi folks,
Just thought I would drop a quick update because I just heard back from the Google accessibility team about this. Sounds like they are going to take the feedback to heart to add dedicated shortcut keys to traverse the comment section, but they reminded me of a useful technique that may or may not have gotten mentioned in this thread. I always forget about the N key when in browse mode, which skips over links and takes you to the next ordinary text. This actually works really well for getting to the comments themselves and bypassing all the sender/timestamp info.

On Jan 6, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <blindgroupsluke@...> wrote:


Thanks for all the great ideas, folks. Turns out I’m already doing a combination of most of these things but did pick up a few tips and tricks. Tony, that plug-in sounds awesome! I will definitely grab that and see if it helps. I found that if I press control end to go to the very bottom of the page and then press shift 2 a couple of times I will find the comments section pretty consistently since it is under a level two heading. Of the two issues I originally brought up, I’d say traversing between the comments is the most annoying. Even if you press G to go to the profile image of each user, there are still numerous elements you have to move pass to get to the actual text of the comment. Thanks again and keep the ideas coming. I’ve already submitted The feedback to Google as I mentioned so hopefully that will help. In the scheme of things I know this isn’t like a critical issue or anything, but I am a big fan of reading and interacting with comments on topics that interest me so it would be nice if that could be made a little easier. :)

On Dec 31, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...> wrote:

Comments are only loaded when you scroll down the page past the video description. Usually, I just rapidly scroll down the page, wait a couple of seconds, then the comments section will be there.
As for navigating comments, I typically use [e] to navigate to the edit field to add your own comment, then use [g] to navigate to each comment, as each begins with a profile picture.


Re: edge and gmail

 

I agree, its easily fixed when it happens its just slightly annoying but its not that big of a deal.

Could be interaction or driver or something, something aint clicking when some scripts load is my suspician, at any rate, its not like I need it for everything and only 1 address and a couple other things.

Its just a querk, could be my cpu, who knows.

On 2/02/2021 8:22 am, Gene wrote:
If you have the problem and no one or almost no one else does, then it may well be a problem somewhere in your system or something anomalous about it. It is a very minor problem and not worth going through much work to solve, in muy opinion, but using Chrome or the Brave browser just for that site would be a good work around.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things
so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs
partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge?  I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.

























.







.


Re: edge and gmail

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep, you are so far the only one reporting this, so I would suggest doing a repair or reinstall of windows. CHKDSK and dism works fine on windows using ntfs volumes. I just did this a week ago as I had some issues. Also did you run the com fixing tool NVDA has? Maybe something broke there as well.

Sorry we cannot be of any help, looks like you are very much on your own from here on out.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.

























.


Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have not changed anything. I don't even know how to read anything other than English. But her messages come through in French or something like that.

 

Here is the odd thing. If I select, I can read the message but if I just listen, at least with my speech synth it comes out in some odd language.  I even tried with espeak. Here is a very short file of what I mean. I dun no even how I should submit this to GitHub as this might be a picnic error, at least for the 2 of us who hear it.

 

Link to db file is here.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

That is indeed odd, as all your messages come in in English for me.

Christina's messages however read in another language using Gmail's web interface. When Brian quotes them, they come through in English.

This has happened occasionally on this list, and only this list.

 

On 2/1/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

> Sarah,

> This is the second message you've said came through in another

> languages - it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just

> fine.  I'm trying to think what the issue you are hitting could be  -

> I would have assumed even if you had somehow set Outlook to use

> another language, it still wouldn't automatically translate messages,

> just the interface (much like if you set NVDA's interface language to

> another language, it only changes how NVDA's menus are presented and

> NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for instance the text of an email.

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

>> I have no idea what the conversation was about,  but would Microsoft

>> sway work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up

>> in another language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Tc all.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of

>> *Quentin Christensen

>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now. 

>> These content controls on the developer ribbon have always been

>> problematic in one way or another (and if not in entering them, then

>> in filling in the forms they create).

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make?  Word is

>> likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you

>> want people to fill in like this.  Something like Google forms are

>> popular for online survey type forms.  For something you want people

>> to be able to either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular, ordinary table:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> - Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label

>> ("name", "address", etc), and the right column is where you type your

>> response

>> 

>> - For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label

>> ("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width

>> cell below that to enter the response.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab

>> through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will

>> work for just about everyone.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Quentin

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc

>> <ebetiucristina@...>

>> wrote:

>> 

>> Good afternoon everybody!

>> I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.

>> 

>>    1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t

>>    Looks like they have iven not been incerted.

>>    2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not

>>    read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not

>> Show the

>>    Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus

>> mode. Can you

>>    helpp me further?

>> 

>> I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

>> 

>> greetings

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>

>> für Windows 10

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Quentin Christensen

>> Training and Support Manager

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Web: www.nvaccess.org

>> 

>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

>> 

>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

>> 

>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

>> 

>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Quentin Christensen

> Training and Support Manager

> Web: www.nvaccess.org

> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: edge and gmail

Sarah k Alawami
 

Email the log to quenten, or attach the log in a bug report on github, or in a comment if there is a bug report on said issue. The markdown will take care of the rest.

Good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Well did more testing.

if I go to www.gmail.com and start typing in the user field, nvda will crash, I restart nvda, and it will work till I restart the system.

So its some sort of interacting issue.

Once nvda is started, then.

if anyone wants a log that will be fine I am using the latest edge stable.



On 2/02/2021 8:12 am, Mike Capelle wrote:
Weird, I use chkdsk all the time, and it works no problem on ntfs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed
things so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up
ntfs partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.























.








Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

That is indeed odd, as all your messages come in in English for me.
Christina's messages however read in another language using Gmail's
web interface. When Brian quotes them, they come through in English.
This has happened occasionally on this list, and only this list.

On 2/1/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Sarah,

This is the second message you've said came through in another languages -
it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just fine. I'm trying
to think what the issue you are hitting could be - I would have assumed
even if you had somehow set Outlook to use another language, it still
wouldn't automatically translate messages, just the interface (much like if
you set NVDA's interface language to another language, it only changes how
NVDA's menus are presented and NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for
instance the text of an email.



On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

I have no idea what the conversation was about, but would Microsoft sway
work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up in another
language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.



Tc all.









*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now. These
content controls on the developer ribbon have always been problematic in
one way or another (and if not in entering them, then in filling in the
forms they create).



So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make? Word is
likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you want
people to fill in like this. Something like Google forms are popular for
online survey type forms. For something you want people to be able to
either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular, ordinary table:



- Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label
("name",
"address", etc), and the right column is where you type your response

- For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label
("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width
cell
below that to enter the response.



A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab
through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will work
for
just about everyone.



Quentin



On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc
<ebetiucristina@gmail.com>
wrote:

Good afternoon everybody!
I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.

1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t
Looks like they have iven not been incerted.
2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not
read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not Show
the
Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus mode. Can
you
helpp me further?

I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

greetings



Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> für
Windows 10






--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






Re: edge and gmail

Gene
 

If you have the problem and no one or almost no one else does, then it may well be a problem somewhere in your system or something anomalous about it. It is a very minor problem and not worth going through much work to solve, in muy opinion, but using Chrome or the Brave browser just for that site would be a good work around.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things
so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs
partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.

























.


Re: edge and gmail

 

Well did more testing.

if I go to www.gmail.com and start typing in the user field, nvda will crash, I restart nvda, and it will work till I restart the system.

So its some sort of interacting issue.

Once nvda is started, then.

if anyone wants a log that will be fine I am using the latest edge stable.

On 2/02/2021 8:12 am, Mike Capelle wrote:
Weird, I use chkdsk all the time, and it works no problem on ntfs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things
so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs
partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.























.







Re: edge and gmail

 

Well in that case microsoft have fixed the issue then.

On 2/02/2021 8:12 am, Mike Capelle wrote:
Weird, I use chkdsk all the time, and it works no problem on ntfs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things
so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs
partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.























.







Re: edge and gmail

Mike Capelle <mcap@...>
 

Weird, I use chkdsk all the time, and it works no problem on ntfs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a
system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things
so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs
partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems
to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is
nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with
google for some reason.



On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.

























.


Re: edge and gmail

 

Hmph, well its only happening with edge.

As for a full repair, no, for various reasons, firstly I did that on a system running latest update and had to revert because it screwed things so badly it was revert or reformat and I didn't have time.

The other thing, chkdsk, microsoft says its fixed, but it screws up ntfs partitions, this means another reformat, so no on both accounts.

To be honest, I may try to turn off uia in edge and run with it like that.

No idea why edge interacts like that, but its not edge itself it seems to be nvda if push comes to shove I may just install chrome, there is nothing wrong with my system its just edge interacting weirdly with google for some reason.

On 2/02/2021 5:06 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you considered scanning for problems on your disk, and doing a windows repair if necessary? This sounds more like an windows issue to me as knock on wood, no one else has reported this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 2:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

Yes, truth is after I restart nvda I can login just fine, something seems to trip up speech causing nvda to freeze at least 3 stacks, but edge itself is not crashed just nvda.

A restart of nvda will have me able to continue to login my session though so its not a big issue.

Sadly, microsoft sites I used to use have completely gone away from explorer including weather as of this week and my version of firefox will not run them so I am stuck to using either chrome or edge and microsoft keeps wanting me to use edge no matter what I use so edge is what I use for microsoft things right now.

Its fine if I don't login but still.



On 1/02/2021 1:23 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at
logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I
do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I
suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard
quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign
screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks
like i accessible and uia having a war.
























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