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Re: Tutorials On New Facebook Platform? hurrikennyandopo ... #78617 Hi I am in the process of writing up a new tutorial for the new face book look using nvda. I do not use it much only to post and or read messages etc. Just not sure how much info to put in or not but the more used stuff on face book. there is a lot of stuff happening on it but do not have to use it. I mean as in the stuff you would not really use on that platform. so no use putting it into the tutorial. you can email me off list where there might be some problems like the 3 I saw and see what comes together. it will then be posted on the website unless some one wants it in draft form. It is not quite finished yet. Gene nz toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 28/10/2020 2:09 am, David Russell wrote: Hello NVDA Group, I am using the mobile version of Facebook, as historically, it has been much easier and convenient with the aid of NVDA. However, as the new interface has replaced the classic version, I cannot find info that is up-to-date on: How to delete messages Generate a new message to any of my friends Determine the type of reaction by individual group members to my posts It now says for example, three liked, one cared. Access World by AFB has some instruction, but not sure that it is as current as needed. Thanks in advance for your potential help.
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3 Gene #78616 I hope the original poster gives more information. What e-mail program is being used and how messages are read may be important, as text or HTML. Gene toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 6:08 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3 On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 07:02 PM, Gene wrote: What are the terms for links with text and links that are just an address written out?The first are hypertext, and the second are hyperlinks (or just links, and even many refer to hypertext, as links). All links, whether as hypertext or hyperlinks, perform the function of directing you to a web resource. But my much earlier point is that it is very rare these days for most writers to include "naked" hyperlinks. Hypertext is far more common, and I use it almost exclusively, as do virtually all online publications. I can't explain why hypertext would not have been announced by the screen reader, either, and the original poster who stated they were not has never clarified further. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3 Brian Vogel #78615 On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 07:02 PM, Gene wrote: What are the terms for links with text and links that are just an address written out? The first are hypertext, and the second are hyperlinks (or just links, and even many refer to hypertext, as links). All links, whether as hypertext or hyperlinks, perform the function of directing you to a web resource. But my much earlier point is that it is very rare these days for most writers to include "naked" hyperlinks. Hypertext is far more common, and I use it almost exclusively, as do virtually all online publications. I can't explain why hypertext would not have been announced by the screen reader, either, and the original poster who stated they were not has never clarified further. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3 Gene #78614 What are the terms for links with text and links that are just an address written out? Doesn't hyperlinks refer to both? and what is the original questioner referring to? Gene toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 4:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3 I actually have mine make a sound, not nvda as that can't be done I don't think, not at the core, but voiceover makes a mid pitched click when the hyper link is started and a lower pitched click when the link is finished. For example this link would lead to google. if my markdown language didn't brake. If nvda did that, or at least had an option in the core that would be good. I might check the github as I'm following that repo. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 27 Oct 2020, at 14:25, Brian Vogel wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 03:27 PM, Louise Pfau wrote: I didn't realize they were called "click through" links.- Louise, Thanks. The term "click through" link is mine, as the technical term, hypertext, is so seldom used and not understood by many. When the text itself has the link there to "click through" to see what it refers to, that's what I call them. Perhaps I should begin using the formal term instead. I know that when I've been working with clients who want to actually "read an article" (or whatever) that contains hypertext they'll often disable whatever setting it is in their screen reader that announces, "Link," along with the hypertext itself since that makes narrative flow so disjointed. I'd imagine that some may keep this off all the time and either turn it on "on demand" or bring up the list of links after having read the actual text if they suspect hypertext was present in a message/article/etc. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3 Sarah k Alawami #78613 I actually have mine make a sound, not nvda as that can't be done I don't think, not at the core, but voiceover makes a mid pitched click when the hyper link is started and a lower pitched click when the link is finished. For example this link would lead to google. if my markdown language didn't brake. If nvda did that, or at least had an option in the core that would be good. I might check the github as I'm following that repo. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 27 Oct 2020, at 14:25, Brian Vogel wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 03:27 PM, Louise Pfau wrote: I didn't realize they were called "click through" links. - Louise, Thanks. The term "click through" link is mine, as the technical term, hypertext, is so seldom used and not understood by many. When the text itself has the link there to "click through" to see what it refers to, that's what I call them. Perhaps I should begin using the formal term instead. I know that when I've been working with clients who want to actually "read an article" (or whatever) that contains hypertext they'll often disable whatever setting it is in their screen reader that announces, "Link," along with the hypertext itself since that makes narrative flow so disjointed. I'd imagine that some may keep this off all the time and either turn it on "on demand" or bring up the list of links after having read the actual text if they suspect hypertext was present in a message/article/etc. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3 Brian Vogel #78612 On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 03:27 PM, Louise Pfau wrote: I didn't realize they were called "click through" links. - Louise, Thanks. The term "click through" link is mine, as the technical term, hypertext, is so seldom used and not understood by many. When the text itself has the link there to "click through" to see what it refers to, that's what I call them. Perhaps I should begin using the formal term instead. I know that when I've been working with clients who want to actually "read an article" (or whatever) that contains hypertext they'll often disable whatever setting it is in their screen reader that announces, "Link," along with the hypertext itself since that makes narrative flow so disjointed. I'd imagine that some may keep this off all the time and either turn it on "on demand" or bring up the list of links after having read the actual text if they suspect hypertext was present in a message/article/etc. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA Addon PDF2Text and python 3 Louise Pfau #78611 Hi Brian. Your example links, as well as the links from the post that were originally asked about have appeared correctly. I didn't realize they were called "click through" links. I was confusing them with "click here" links. I don't think I've changed any of my settings that would affect the way links are read. Louise
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Unable to share links on FB David Russell #78610 Hi Group, Oops, sorry I did not see this before posting my own struggle. I receive the NVDA group digest. Suffice to say, a big heart felt thanks to the one who shared another way to bring up the former version of FB: mbasic.facebook.com I too cannot delete messages, create new messages, and its haphazard to comment on posts via the new crappy interface. I could not even submit a problem report per the new interface. I hasten to add, some of my sighted friends indicate they have not been hit with this new roll-out and - for them is business as usual. Short of the classic version, I am clueless on how to accomplish much with the newer platform. Tutorials seem dated at best even from AFB. Cheers, -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
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Re: Possible to purchase Microsoft outlook separately? Brian Vogel #78609 Thanks to all involved in this topic as far as their helpfulness and courtesy in response to same. I did want to add something "as a public service" for the group before I lock the topic. If you are looking for any piece of software "separately" the best thing to do is to web search on that software's name with the addition of the term "standalone," as a single word. Try this yourself for Outlook, in this case, and you'll see what I mean in the first few results. It has been common practice in computing circles to call anything that can run on its own the standalone version of a program. And when you want to know if something you're familiar with in a suite might be available by itself, standalone is the magic search term. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: Two NVDA Questions Brian Vogel #78608 On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:46 PM, Gene wrote: For clarification, it should be pointed out that you don't need an account to search for and read issues on Github. You can't comment without an account. - Yup, and sorry for creating the impression you couldn't view without one. And if you want to view, the page to do that is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues But if you want to be able to comment on existing issues (bug reports) or Feature Requests, or want to be able to create either of those for the folks at NVAccess, you do have to have a GitHub Account. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: Two NVDA Questions Gene #78607 For clarification, it should be pointed out that you don't need an account to search for and read issues on Github. You can't comment without an account. I used Google to search for discussion of the question I asked and found nothing. You can search Github if you do a properly worded Google search. It may not matter that refresh screen is limited to browse mode but I wonder if there are times when refreshing the screen elsewhere would be beneficial. Gene toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:38 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Two NVDA Questions I have an account. I'll see if I can find anything. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:30 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Two NVDA Questions On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 11:39 AM, Gene wrote: Does it matter? Should this be addressed on Github?- I'd say if it matters to you (any you), at the very least you should look in the NVDA GitHub Issues Page (after having set yourself up with a GitHub Account and access to the NVAccess/NVDA project in your account) to see if an issue already exists. If it does, add a comment, and if it doesn't, and this is important to you, create a new bug report. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: Two NVDA Questions Gene #78606 I have an account. I'll see if I can find anything. Gene toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:30 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Two NVDA Questions On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 11:39 AM, Gene wrote: Does it matter? Should this be addressed on Github?- I'd say if it matters to you (any you), at the very least you should look in the NVDA GitHub Issues Page (after having set yourself up with a GitHub Account and access to the NVAccess/NVDA project in your account) to see if an issue already exists. If it does, add a comment, and if it doesn't, and this is important to you, create a new bug report. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: Two NVDA Questions Brian Vogel #78605 On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 11:39 AM, Gene wrote: Does it matter? Should this be addressed on Github? - I'd say if it matters to you (any you), at the very least you should look in the NVDA GitHub Issues Page (after having set yourself up with a GitHub Account and access to the NVAccess/NVDA project in your account) to see if an issue already exists. If it does, add a comment, and if it doesn't, and this is important to you, create a new bug report. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: Two NVDA Questions Gene #78604 Regarding a comparison with Window-eyes and JAWS, my recollection is that redraw screen commands in those screen-readers worked anywhere. In NVDA, the command only works in browse mode. Does it matter? Should this be addressed on Github? Gene toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 10/27/2020 10:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 05:55 AM, Pele West wrote: This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am trying to do. - And, for the record, there is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with doing this. The idea is to avoid long discussions of either out-of-support software or other screen readers, but the use of something for an, "I can do {action} this way with {insert screen reader, living or dead, here}, but can I do it with NVDA?," question is completely legitimate. Questions of that form could not be about anything except how to use NVDA, which is dead-on topic for this group. The use of other screen readers for comparison and/or contrast and/or clarification of intent is not forbidden, and never has been. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: Two NVDA Questions Brian Vogel #78603 On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 05:55 AM, Pele West wrote: This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am trying to do. - And, for the record, there is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with doing this. The idea is to avoid long discussions of either out-of-support software or other screen readers, but the use of something for an, "I can do {action} this way with {insert screen reader, living or dead, here}, but can I do it with NVDA?," question is completely legitimate. Questions of that form could not be about anything except how to use NVDA, which is dead-on topic for this group. The use of other screen readers for comparison and/or contrast and/or clarification of intent is not forbidden, and never has been. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: Tutorials On New Facebook Platform? Brian Vogel #78602 David, I am not a Facebook user, at all, but I have noticed a number of recent conversations saying that users of what had been m.facebook.com should use mbasic.facebook.com if they want to use the "old style" mobile interface. These days I think it's going to be critical to identify which URL/page you're actually using until/unless Facebook kills off one of them in order to receive accurate advice. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: Two NVDA Questions Sarah k Alawami #78601 For your first question it's nvda plus f5 per the manual. At least it is for the laptop function. Dunno about desktop keystrokes. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 27 Oct 2020, at 3:18, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote: I can answer your second question. Pressing NVDA + dot, or numpad 2 if using desktop layout, reports the character of the current navigator object.Pressing the key combination 3 times will give you the ascii and hexidecimal value. On 27/10/2020 7:55 pm, Pele West wrote: Hi Everyone I have two separate NVDA questions, so apologise for the less than helpful subject line. 1. Is there a way of getting NVDA to redraw the screen, or rather to get it to check the screen again? This was possible in Window-Eyes (which I know I should not mention), but I am using it so people know what I am trying to do. 2. Is there a way to get NVDA to display the value of the character under the cursor? In days gone by they were ASCII values, but I suspect they will be UTF8 now? Thanks Pele West
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Re: Two NVDA Questions Pele West #78600 Hi Ralf Thanks so much. Pele
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Tutorials On New Facebook Platform? David Russell #78599 Hello NVDA Group, I am using the mobile version of Facebook, as historically, it has been much easier and convenient with the aid of NVDA. However, as the new interface has replaced the classic version, I cannot find info that is up-to-date on: How to delete messages Generate a new message to any of my friends Determine the type of reaction by individual group members to my posts It now says for example, three liked, one cared. Access World by AFB has some instruction, but not sure that it is as current as needed. Thanks in advance for your potential help. -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
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Re: Two NVDA Questions Pele West #78598 Hi Sam Thanks. There is always something new to learn. Pele
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