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Re: ocr with latest nvda on win7-64

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If you are using the add on make sure the item is in focus then as you
know do the command nvda + R if i remember right.


With the add on as well you will need to use the review text or is it
the other way around text review commands.


You use the numeric keypad to do this.


7 is previous line 8 is current and 9 is next.

4 is previous word, 5 is current word and 6 is next.

1 is previous character, 2 is current and 3 is next.


If you want to copy the information use the nvda +key + F9 key to start
a mark at where you want to copy from and the nvda key + F10 key twice
to copy it to the clip board.




I do have a audio tutorial on what to do i would have to find it there
might even be a text one as well.

Sections in the user manual is 5.4 and 5.5 which is text review and
object navigation where the copy commands come from.

Gene nz

On 7/6/2018 2:36 AM, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hi folks,
I have the ocr addon installed but when I press nvda/R NVDA reports
that it is performing ocr, but I don't know what to do next.
When it is finished, I seem to be back in the exact same place where I started.
I'm trying to read a screen shot provided on a page of instructions.

Any help using OCR with NVDA would be appreciated since I'm also
trying to use software which may only be accessible using OCR..



thanks!
Rusty



Re: ocr with latest nvda on win7-64

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you then read with your navigation and object keys the document that appears?

Take care

On Jul 5, 2018, at 7:36 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:

Hi folks,
I have the ocr addon installed but when I press nvda/R NVDA reports
that it is performing ocr, but I don't know what to do next.
When it is finished, I seem to be back in the exact same place where I started.
I'm trying to read a screen shot provided on a page of instructions.

Any help using OCR with NVDA would be appreciated since I'm also
trying to use software which may only be accessible using OCR..



thanks!
Rusty



Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

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Yes, well I often notice some sound drivers on short sounds can play a bit of a previous sound before the new one. I think at present there are a lot of dodgy windows 10 sound drivers about particularly those from realtek or however they are spelled.
Microsoft needs to put its foot down with a firm hand.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?


The extra sounds i was getting before is not happening now. I am not
getting it on any of the versions must be one of those times when
windows maybe has a burk.


Gene nz



On 7/5/2018 9:04 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Brian


As mentioned before i have drop box on my computer as a app.


if i go down to the notification area where the drop box icon is and
then press the space bar on it a context menu will come up. It will read
all the items as i arrow down it.


if i then go into preferences i can tab around. I did notice though the
tabs are not spoken out.

There is a check box called like start drop box on system start up. this
will be spoken but if you shift/tab back up once you will not hear any
thing.. But this will put you on a tab called general. you can then use
the right or left arrow keys to navigate the tabs and they will be
spoken. This is with the latest version of drop box and nvda 2018.2.1


There is no add on that i am using for drop box..


But when you tab into the different sections these will be spoken but
the only way you know you are back on a tab is when you shift/tab a few
times and nothing is spoken. It seems to do it on all the sections there.


But when you hear nothing you are on the tab then you can use the right
or left arrow keys then tab key to go through each section.


if you go into the drop box app the ribbens are spoken etc plus
folders/files in drop box.


I have not tried the web version as this app is quite accessible.


Is the above with the tabs what you are talking about under the
preferences section in the notification area?


Also under program files x86 nvda will speak all folders/files that are
part of drop box as well.


Gene nz



On 7/5/2018 8:22 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The sounds have not actually changed, but of course if you played with
them, then some may well be still there.
I have only the old ones.
Yes that message about delete from just this device etc, is sometimes
irritating but its not the whole story. The question is, can you use
the prefs and share on the context menu of explorer?
Prefs from the icon and share from the application menu in explorer.
You are using windows 10, but I am on 7. However I have had messages
from 7 users off list saying they cannot see any issues with these
dialogues, and of course log in used to work as it could no have been
originally installed and set up without it.
Also after the log in with sighted help on Tuesday, there appears to
be a rudimentary browser launched. this does not read one supposes due
to it not being seen as a system that virtual buffers are created for.
I seem to remember this was always a problem in Dropbox, so its all
very odd.
Dropbox got back to me saying nothing has been changed in the
dialogues, so it must be my end.
All roads seem to lead back to Windows.
I am not reinstalling windows though. That is silly.

There is a video on line on youtube where the guy explains how to
reregister all dll files but since he is using video there is a heck
of a lot of like this and you need to type in exactly what you see on
the screen here, including the funny arrow thing. Not a great deal of
help!

Brian

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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows
folders safely?


Hi Brian

With a restart of the master snap shot now it reads that message. but
before it did not..

But i am wondering when you get the message that comes up for user
statistics it seems like if it crashes there you get some weird results
after that.

if it does not have a little crash then NVDA works aalright after that.


When i did a update to the next snapshot it was alright.

Weird one.

Another thing i just notice just then is when i start up the master snap
shot i am getting the old nvda sounds and seems like new ones just after
it i think it is the same when i shut it down.

Gene nz

7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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ocr with latest nvda on win7-64

Rusty Perez
 

Hi folks,
I have the ocr addon installed but when I press nvda/R NVDA reports
that it is performing ocr, but I don't know what to do next.
When it is finished, I seem to be back in the exact same place where I started.
I'm trying to read a screen shot provided on a page of instructions.

Any help using OCR with NVDA would be appreciated since I'm also
trying to use software which may only be accessible using OCR..



thanks!
Rusty


Re: Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
The l key will find the lists on the page including "Search by Category". You then have to press spacebar to switch to focus mode, then arrow up/down the list. However, using this method It doesn't seem to read the first item in the list, so you have to arrow up to that.

Cheers
Chris

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Sent: 5 July 2018 03:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox

Same thing for me, NVDA sees it as a clickable list. This will only help
for this page, or I guess any other pages on the site since I guess
they'd do things the same way, but there's an easy way to get right to
where you want to go. If you hit 'b' for "next button", you get taken to
the apply button. You can then arrow up or use shift-tab or whatever to
get to the clickable list and pick a category.


Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

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And it is this part which has stopped working on my machine. Everything is totally silent but does in fact change. also of course the same issues exist in share and log in as well.
Something in Windows has broken but nobody seems to know what.
I strongly suspect Avast was the culprit when it was removed, but since i never thought to check back then, I have no way to get back without doing a complete restore from back ups and probably losing a lot of stuff and screwing stuff up. I think if there was a command to re register all the existing dll files, then that is likely to fix it. of course since windows throws no errors its hard to diagnose. Nvda merely seems to not be able to see it in the logs as one might expect. Jaws demo does exactly the same it announces the dropbox preferences title and the share title but can see nothing in the open window.
NVDA cannot see anything even with screen and object nave and nvda/b does not read anything either.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?


Hi Brian


As mentioned before i have drop box on my computer as a app.


if i go down to the notification area where the drop box icon is and
then press the space bar on it a context menu will come up. It will read
all the items as i arrow down it.


if i then go into preferences i can tab around. I did notice though the
tabs are not spoken out.

There is a check box called like start drop box on system start up. this
will be spoken but if you shift/tab back up once you will not hear any
thing.. But this will put you on a tab called general. you can then use
the right or left arrow keys to navigate the tabs and they will be
spoken. This is with the latest version of drop box and nvda 2018.2.1


There is no add on that i am using for drop box..


But when you tab into the different sections these will be spoken but
the only way you know you are back on a tab is when you shift/tab a few
times and nothing is spoken. It seems to do it on all the sections there.


But when you hear nothing you are on the tab then you can use the right
or left arrow keys then tab key to go through each section.


if you go into the drop box app the ribbens are spoken etc plus
folders/files in drop box.


I have not tried the web version as this app is quite accessible.


Is the above with the tabs what you are talking about under the
preferences section in the notification area?


Also under program files x86 nvda will speak all folders/files that are
part of drop box as well.


Gene nz



On 7/5/2018 8:22 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The sounds have not actually changed, but of course if you played with
them, then some may well be still there.
I have only the old ones.
Yes that message about delete from just this device etc, is sometimes
irritating but its not the whole story. The question is, can you use
the prefs and share on the context menu of explorer?
Prefs from the icon and share from the application menu in explorer.
You are using windows 10, but I am on 7. However I have had messages
from 7 users off list saying they cannot see any issues with these
dialogues, and of course log in used to work as it could no have been
originally installed and set up without it.
Also after the log in with sighted help on Tuesday, there appears to
be a rudimentary browser launched. this does not read one supposes due
to it not being seen as a system that virtual buffers are created for.
I seem to remember this was always a problem in Dropbox, so its all
very odd.
Dropbox got back to me saying nothing has been changed in the
dialogues, so it must be my end.
All roads seem to lead back to Windows.
I am not reinstalling windows though. That is silly.

There is a video on line on youtube where the guy explains how to
reregister all dll files but since he is using video there is a heck
of a lot of like this and you need to type in exactly what you see on
the screen here, including the funny arrow thing. Not a great deal of
help!

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows
folders safely?


Hi Brian

With a restart of the master snap shot now it reads that message. but
before it did not..

But i am wondering when you get the message that comes up for user
statistics it seems like if it crashes there you get some weird results
after that.

if it does not have a little crash then NVDA works aalright after that.


When i did a update to the next snapshot it was alright.

Weird one.

Another thing i just notice just then is when i start up the master snap
shot i am getting the old nvda sounds and seems like new ones just after
it i think it is the same when i shut it down.

Gene nz

7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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Heads Up, Snapsots are changing

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No more master and Next. the page at this time only contains Alpha snaps.
Just in case anyone has not read the discussions on this subject.
Just so you don't moan there have been no updates of late!

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Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

The extra sounds i was getting before is not happening now. I am not
getting it on any of the versions must be one of those times when
windows maybe has a burk.


Gene nz

On 7/5/2018 9:04 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Brian


As mentioned before i have drop box on my computer as a app.


if i go down to the notification area where the drop box icon is and
then press the space bar on it a context menu will come up. It will read
all the items as i arrow down it.


if i then go into preferences i can tab around. I did notice though the
tabs are not spoken out.

There is a check box called like start drop box on system start up. this
will be spoken but if you shift/tab back up once you will not hear any
thing.. But this will put you on a tab called general. you can then use
the right or left arrow keys to navigate the tabs and they will be
spoken. This is with the latest version of drop box  and nvda 2018.2.1


There is no add on that i am using for drop box..


But when you tab into the different sections these will be spoken but
the only way you know you are back on a tab is when you shift/tab a few
times and nothing is spoken. It seems to do it on all the sections there.


But when you hear nothing you are on the tab then you can use the right
or left arrow keys then tab key to go through each section.


if you go into the drop box app the ribbens are spoken etc plus
folders/files in drop box.


I have not tried the web version as this app is quite accessible.


Is the above with the tabs what you are talking about  under the
preferences section in the notification area?


Also under program files x86 nvda will speak all folders/files that are
part of drop box as well.


Gene nz



On 7/5/2018 8:22 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The sounds have not actually changed, but of course if you played with
them, then some may well be still there.
I have only the old ones.
Yes that message about delete from just this device etc, is sometimes
irritating but its not the whole story. The question is, can you use
the prefs and share on the context menu of explorer?
Prefs from the icon  and share from the  application menu in explorer.
You are using windows 10, but I am on 7. However I have had messages
from 7 users off list saying they cannot see any issues with these
dialogues, and of course log in used to work as it could no have been
originally installed and set up without it.
Also after the log in with sighted help on Tuesday, there appears to
be a rudimentary browser launched. this does not read one supposes due
to it not being seen as a system that virtual buffers are created for.
I seem to remember this was always a problem in Dropbox, so its all
very odd.
Dropbox got back to me saying nothing has been changed in the
dialogues, so it must be my end.
All roads seem to lead back to Windows.
I am not reinstalling windows though. That is silly.

There is a video on line on youtube where the guy explains how to
reregister all dll files but since he is using video there is a heck
of a lot of like this and you need to type in exactly what you see on
the screen here, including the funny arrow thing. Not a great deal of
help!

Brian

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<hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows
folders safely?


Hi Brian

With a restart of the master snap shot now it reads that message. but
before it did not..

But i am wondering when you get the message that comes up for user
statistics it seems like if it crashes there you get some weird results
after that.

if it does not have a little crash then NVDA works aalright after that.


When i did a update to the next snapshot it was alright.

Weird one.

Another thing i just notice just then is when i start up the master snap
shot i am getting the old nvda sounds and seems like new ones just after
it i think it is the same when i shut it down.

Gene nz

 7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


As mentioned before i have drop box on my computer as a app.


if i go down to the notification area where the drop box icon is and
then press the space bar on it a context menu will come up. It will read
all the items as i arrow down it.


if i then go into preferences i can tab around. I did notice though the
tabs are not spoken out.

There is a check box called like start drop box on system start up. this
will be spoken but if you shift/tab back up once you will not hear any
thing.. But this will put you on a tab called general. you can then use
the right or left arrow keys to navigate the tabs and they will be
spoken. This is with the latest version of drop box  and nvda 2018.2.1


There is no add on that i am using for drop box..


But when you tab into the different sections these will be spoken but
the only way you know you are back on a tab is when you shift/tab a few
times and nothing is spoken. It seems to do it on all the sections there.


But when you hear nothing you are on the tab then you can use the right
or left arrow keys then tab key to go through each section.


if you go into the drop box app the ribbens are spoken etc plus
folders/files in drop box.


I have not tried the web version as this app is quite accessible.


Is the above with the tabs what you are talking about  under the
preferences section in the notification area?


Also under program files x86 nvda will speak all folders/files that are
part of drop box as well.


Gene nz

On 7/5/2018 8:22 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The sounds have not actually changed, but of course if you played with
them, then some may well be still there.
I have only the old ones.
Yes that message about delete from just this device etc, is sometimes
irritating but its not the whole story. The question is, can you use
the prefs and share on the context menu of explorer?
Prefs from the icon  and share from the  application menu in explorer.
You are using windows 10, but I am on 7. However I have had messages
from 7 users off list saying they cannot see any issues with these
dialogues, and of course log in used to work as it could no have been
originally installed and set up without it.
Also after the log in with sighted help on Tuesday, there appears to
be a rudimentary browser launched. this does not read one supposes due
to it not being seen as a system that virtual buffers are created for.
I seem to remember this was always a problem in Dropbox, so its all
very odd.
Dropbox got back to me saying nothing has been changed in the
dialogues, so it must be my end.
All roads seem to lead back to Windows.
I am not reinstalling windows though. That is silly.

There is a video on line on youtube where the guy explains how to
reregister all dll files but since he is using video there is a heck
of a lot of like this and you need to type in exactly what you see on
the screen here, including the funny arrow thing. Not a great deal of
help!

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand"
<hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows
folders safely?


Hi Brian

With a restart of the master snap shot now it reads that message. but
before it did not..

But i am wondering when you get the message that comes up for user
statistics it seems like if it crashes there you get some weird results
after that.

if it does not have a little crash then NVDA works aalright after that.


When i did a update to the next snapshot it was alright.

Weird one.

Another thing i just notice just then is when i start up the master snap
shot i am getting the old nvda sounds and seems like new ones just after
it i think it is the same when i shut it down.

Gene nz

 7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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Re: New release system and new snapshot names from Mick

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I'm not saying they are wrong in their idea, merely that we have a problem since people have been able to treat master as a beta for some years now, and what is needed is some way to flag this change to those not often on here but who do come on when things go wrong. My work around ideas were just that. As long as when the change is made a simple way out I of it is given, then fine. I do know of a couple of people on this list from time to time who use master in a company, installed by admin so they can have the latest stable at all times, but these people will need to contact their admins in order to put them on the new beta channel. One assumes that master will be ported to that channel for the time being so that people can still have a working version.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New release system and new snapshot names from Mick


well, after reading about this I think I agree with the devs. I am also pleased to see Nvda improving the way it is being updated. I would hope that most people who run master or the new beta are aware that things may not work as expected.

On 04/07/2018 07:36, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.I wrote:
From: "Mick Curran" <mick@...>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@...>;
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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 2:43 AM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] Changes to release process


Hi contributors,


We have made some small changes to the NVDA release process. Please read
the updated Release Process article carefully to understand the changes
and how they will affect you.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ReleaseProcess


In short, Next/incubation is going away, and prs are going to be merged
straight to master. Periodic betas will be offered startin from 5 weeks
before a release.

Please read the entire article to understand the changes fully.


Translators should not be directly affected by this change. Though
technically, translations are now based on a new "beta" branch rather than
master.


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Brian comments. I think this is actually going to affect people on this list
like myself who use the bleeding edge code as portable versions and master
as a daily working version.
I worry a little hear about a large number of untested by users items
arriving in the beta all at once which might be a little scary if a lot of
people find issues. At the moment they hit next regularly and one can see
the wood for the trees so to speak.

If you have any comments, send them to Mick not me though, as I do not see
any kind of consultation with users on this one.
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Re: Thunderbird busy

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Yes Firefox does the same. it means what it says. Of course if it remains for ever you have an issue. Normally some message about your server has stopped responding or whatever will come up if there is no sign of it working. Normally I used to find it took longer on imap than pop3, but it also depends on how fast your isp sends emails and whether you also may have news groups and multiple accounts to poll.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird busy


Hi, John,


I think it means the messages are downloading to your inbox. You can either tab to get to the inbox or hit f-6.


Hope this helps.


Rosemarie




On 7/4/2018 8:43 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Hello,

When I start Thunderbird I get this mesagge. What does it mean and how do I get rid of it? I have a notebook computer.

Thanks,
John


Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

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The sounds have not actually changed, but of course if you played with them, then some may well be still there.
I have only the old ones.
Yes that message about delete from just this device etc, is sometimes irritating but its not the whole story. The question is, can you use the prefs and share on the context menu of explorer?
Prefs from the icon and share from the application menu in explorer.
You are using windows 10, but I am on 7. However I have had messages from 7 users off list saying they cannot see any issues with these dialogues, and of course log in used to work as it could no have been originally installed and set up without it.
Also after the log in with sighted help on Tuesday, there appears to be a rudimentary browser launched. this does not read one supposes due to it not being seen as a system that virtual buffers are created for.
I seem to remember this was always a problem in Dropbox, so its all very odd.
Dropbox got back to me saying nothing has been changed in the dialogues, so it must be my end.
All roads seem to lead back to Windows.
I am not reinstalling windows though. That is silly.

There is a video on line on youtube where the guy explains how to reregister all dll files but since he is using video there is a heck of a lot of like this and you need to type in exactly what you see on the screen here, including the funny arrow thing. Not a great deal of help!

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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?


Hi Brian

With a restart of the master snap shot now it reads that message. but
before it did not..

But i am wondering when you get the message that comes up for user
statistics it seems like if it crashes there you get some weird results
after that.

if it does not have a little crash then NVDA works aalright after that.


When i did a update to the next snapshot it was alright.

Weird one.

Another thing i just notice just then is when i start up the master snap
shot i am getting the old nvda sounds and seems like new ones just after
it i think it is the same when i shut it down.

Gene nz

7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

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Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

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OK none of the dialogues will read or have any content visible to nvda or jaws. In nvda the add on makes no difference. Unfortunately, log in share and preferences are the main ones I need to be able to interact with.

None of them work. There is a ticket for this in github, but I do not have the number at the moment, but people who have seen that say they have not been able to duplicate this with any version of dropbox from 47 to the current 52, and to be fair it used to work, a bit clunky at times but good enough.
I strongly suspect uninstalling something a few months ago has made the problem as it is, and as it affects this machine and another on I use in the recording studio for the talking newspaper, my finger is pointing toward Avastclear. That was some four months ago now.
My reasoning is this.
I have run sfc, which as I see it has made sure all the files are there. I had to reinstall email after this of course as I reported. I uninstalled completely dropbox, and re installed it and that did not fix it. That was when I ended up in Indonesian and unable to log in. Luckily sighted help fixed that on Tuesday, as obviously I had inadvertently move the language in the none reading prefs box, which proves it does actually work, just not read in screenreaders.
So here we are. The tool in nvda of course does not address this at all as its mostly aimed at html buffers etc, not these dialogue boxes.

It basically means at the moment that I cannot share a folder with other people, or log in if I need to do a reinstall of Dropbox as I did the other day.
Its still working fine. Its just not useable for anything other than basic things.
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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?


Hi Brian


From what i have been looking up it is a messy process. there are
certain ones they refer to of which i think the tool fixes in NVDA.


Apart from that i see the reference to reinstalling windows. I guess it
depends how bad your copy of windows is before you go that far.


What again is drop box not doing?


I have the application drop box on the computer and when i go into it i
can see the different folders and the files with in the folder.

But am sure when i go to delete folders or files it used to give a
message. I am using the latest version of Windows 10 stable 1709 i think
it is along with nvda 2018.2.1


I can get to the message with object navigation though.

But there are new comers to nvda that would not even know how to use
object navigation .



But i can not remember before when you found a file it said the message
do you want to delete this file and send it to the rubbish bin. I notice
it only gives you the option to either click on yes or no but the
message is not read out. I thought it used to be?

If this is the case either some thing has become unchecked in NVDA to do
this or a bug has creeped in.


Gene nz





On 7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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Re: Thunderbird busy

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, John,


I think it means the messages are downloading to your inbox. You can either tab to get to the inbox or hit f-6.


Hope this helps.


Rosemarie

On 7/4/2018 8:43 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Hello,

When I start Thunderbird I get this mesagge. What does it mean and how do I get rid of it? I have a notebook computer.

Thanks,
John


Thunderbird busy

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

When I start Thunderbird I get this mesagge. What does it mean and how do I get rid of it? I have a notebook computer.

Thanks,
John

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Re: Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox

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Same thing for me, NVDA sees it as a clickable list. This will only help for this page, or I guess any other pages on the site since I guess they'd do things the same way, but there's an easy way to get right to where you want to go. If you hit 'b' for "next button", you get taken to the apply button. You can then arrow up or use shift-tab or whatever to get to the clickable list and pick a category.


Re: Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox

 

Hi
In the useful software page, if I use Jaws, I can press C to quickly jump to something like extented list box to filter software by catigory. Do I misunderstand this with the combobox control?
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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox


Are there any on this page? I can see selections that look like lists in focus mode on the page, but they are not in fact combo boxes.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox


Hi
You can try this: https://saomaicenter.org/en/downloads
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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox


Hi,

Do you have an example website where we can try reproducing this? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dang Manh Cuong
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 8:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox



To all listers
Using NVDA 2018.2.1, and cannot press C or shift+C to jump to a combobox in web page created using drupal. This also occurs when I use driver pack a program for searching driver. NVDA just sayy no comboboxes, but I can jump to it using tab or arrows. Seeing this problem with Firefox, Internet explorer, crhome and Microsoft edge.

I think this is not enough to create issue on gidhub so I share here, and I'll research more before submitting an issue. Hope you can pick time research this with me.
Cuong

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I'm on leave for a few days, so won't be as active on here for about a week.  If anyone has anything that needs my attention, feel free to CC info@... to ensure I don't miss it when I'm catching up.

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FW: [NvDACon-announce] 2018 NVDA Community Add-ons Festival, to be held in September 2018

 

Hi,

Please circulate this far and wide.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: NVDACon-announce@groups.io <NVDACon-announce@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 5:03 PM
To: intl@nvdacon.groups.io
Subject: [NvDACon-announce] 2018 NVDA Community Add-ons Festival, to be held in September 2018

 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m delighted to announce the start of planning phase for NVDA Community Add-ons Festival, to be held in September 2018!

 

In 2017, the community held its first NVDA Add-ons festival to celebrate and recognize various NVDA add-ons and authors that brought them to life. As an offshoot of NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon), this event featured talks from add-on authors, and since last year, various awards, including add-on of the year, new author, and lifetime contributions.

 

As part of the planning phase, the organizers would like to ask add-on authors if they’d like to talk about their add-ons and/or important things the add-ons community needs to know. Also, for the first time, the community will be given a chance to vote their favorite add-on and author of 2018, to be presented during the keynote/awards portion of the event (more on this two-stage voting process to be detailed shortly).

 

If you have any suggestions or comments, please email me (Joseph Lee) at joseph.lee22590@.... Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian

With a restart of the master snap shot now it reads that message. but
before it did not..

But i am wondering when you get the message that comes up for user
statistics it seems like if it crashes there you get some weird results
after that.

if it does not have a little crash  then NVDA works aalright after that.


When i did a update to the next snapshot it was alright.

Weird one.

Another thing i just notice just then is when i start up the master snap
shot i am getting the old nvda sounds and seems like new ones just after
it i think it is the same when i shut it down.

Gene nz

 7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the 
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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