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Re: trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Debra,


I had to end up calling the microsoft disability line. The girl there helped me to uninstall it. She had to go into the registry to get rid of it. Well, it's gone now. I should have thought carefully before installing it. It doesn't work with windows 10 at all.


Rosemarie

On 7/3/2018 8:37 AM, Debra Gardner wrote:
What happened when you hit enter on uninstall in your context menu?  It should open up a list and you should be able to tab or arrow around among some choices.


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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 6:54 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

I wasn't given a choice as to how deep I wanted to go. All it said was "pick the uninstall mode" but nothing else. Maybe I'm not doing something right.


Rosemarie




On 7/2/2018 4:51 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:
when you first upen up the  program after installation, it will give you a list of programs on your computer that can be uninstalled. Pick the one you want and go into your context menu  and pick uninstall.  It will then give you a choice of how deep an uninstall you want to go.


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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 4:28 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Thanks so much. I'll give it a try and let you know if it worked.




On 7/2/2018 2:26 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:
Here's something you might try. It's called revo uninstaller. If you install this and it asks if you want to upgrade, say no because ifyou do, the upgrade isn't accessible.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/4o37ul

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 11:21 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

I think it's a 32 bit program.




On 7/1/2018 10:56 AM, Jackie wrote:
Rosemarie, how many bits the program itself is does not make a
difference. What's important is whether your version of *windows* is
32- or 64-bits.

On 7/1/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Already tried that.




On 7/1/2018 12:42 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Depending which version of windows try looking in control panel for
programs and features or if older os add/remove programs

That’s the proper way of doing uninstalls

Good luck

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent: *01 July 2018 07:17
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3
converter classic

Hi, everyone,

Can you recommend a good program for uninstalling the free youtube to

mp3 converter classic? I tried a program called special uninstaller but

that didn't help at all.

Thanks in advance.

Rosemarie










Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 18.07.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi everyone,

Windows 10 App Essentials 18.07.1A is now available, fixing an issue in modern Calculator where NVDA kept announcing “heading 1” or similar as part of calculation results, caused by XAML markup. Note that Narrator does announce this as heading level 1, so in theory, this announcement is correct; however, for backward compatibility reasons, this announcement has been suppressed in NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: joseph.lee22590@... <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 8:05 PM
To: 'nvda-addons@groups.io' <nvda-addons@groups.io>
Subject: Windows 10 App Essentials 18.07.1 #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 18.07.1 is now available, bringing two significant changes:

 

  • In Edge and other apps powered by EdgeHTML rendering engine, aria-role=alert is properly recognized. This means alert text will be announced as a live region.
  • NVDA will be less verbose when browsing emojis in Insider build 17704, caused by two events being fired by this panel when emoji selection changes.

 

As always, the new version is just an update check away. More info about this version can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/18.07.1

 

Note: both changes will be part of pull requests and/or a future NVDA next branch snapshot depending on pull request process milestones (review, approval, incubation).

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: a question about recording with audacity

 

I don't see any reason why not provided the microphone is positioned such that it can pick up both the output from the speakers from the screen reader and your voice, too.

I wouldn't anticipate feedback loop issues in this configuration.

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Re: trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Debra Gardner
 

What happened when you hit enter on uninstall in your context menu? It should open up a list and you should be able to tab or arrow around among some choices.


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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 6:54 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

I wasn't given a choice as to how deep I wanted to go. All it said was "pick the uninstall mode" but nothing else. Maybe I'm not doing something right.


Rosemarie




On 7/2/2018 4:51 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:
when you first upen up the program after installation, it will give you a list of programs on your computer that can be uninstalled. Pick the one you want and go into your context menu and pick uninstall. It will then give you a choice of how deep an uninstall you want to go.


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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 4:28 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Thanks so much. I'll give it a try and let you know if it worked.




On 7/2/2018 2:26 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:
Here's something you might try. It's called revo uninstaller. If you install this and it asks if you want to upgrade, say no because ifyou do, the upgrade isn't accessible.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/4o37ul

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 11:21 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

I think it's a 32 bit program.




On 7/1/2018 10:56 AM, Jackie wrote:
Rosemarie, how many bits the program itself is does not make a
difference. What's important is whether your version of *windows* is
32- or 64-bits.

On 7/1/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Already tried that.




On 7/1/2018 12:42 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Depending which version of windows try looking in control panel for
programs and features or if older os add/remove programs

That’s the proper way of doing uninstalls

Good luck

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent: *01 July 2018 07:17
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3
converter classic

Hi, everyone,

Can you recommend a good program for uninstalling the free youtube to

mp3 converter classic? I tried a program called special uninstaller but

that didn't help at all.

Thanks in advance.

Rosemarie









Re: accessibility training is important too.

Gene
 

I keep away from technical support robots as much as possible.  I have, on one or two occasions, repeated to a mindless human robot that I am blind two or three times, after the person/robot asked me the same question, such as pertaining to lights, two or three times.  Are they mindless robots or are they robots because the job turned them into mindless robots?  As Charles Ives said in a song he wrote about industrialization, "Human beings gone machine."
 
And I don't want to disparage robots.  Artificial intelligence might allow support bots to handle such a situation better than human robots.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 08:58 pm, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Just goes to show these people are clueless to what's going on.
Not that I'm defending true cluelessness, but do take into account that it's sometimes easy to forget "in the heat of the moment" of trying to fix a problem that someone might have mentioned that they are blind.

The truly clueless won't miss a beat and will continue on as though you didn't remind them.  The situationally momentarily clueless will usually apologize for having slipped into routine and start troubleshooting how to troubleshoot with you.

Even I have, on rare occasion, found myself slipping into a moment of talking to a blind person as though they can see.  It's what happens when I remember, or get that nudge to remind me, that's different from the truly clueless.

There are mental scripts one has for one's typical audience or audiences, and it is far too easy to slip into the wrong script upon occasion.
 
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Re: accessibility training is important too.

 

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 03:37 pm, Shaun Everiss wrote:
You'd think they didn't know their products sometimes.
Back to my comment a moment ago on scripts - sometimes these are literal so sometimes your presumption is correct.  As Jackie observed, "Those folks generally are just a bunch of script readers. They can't go past it because they don't have the knowledge (& sometimes wherewithal) to go further."  Also, you tend to get a lot of "least skilled" people pitched behind tech support desks, which is the diametrical opposite of what should be done, but I get the business tension with regard to putting your best technicians (some of whom, but not all of whom, lack people skills) in a customer service position where most of what they know will not be needed on any routine basis.

I make a point of doing post-service surveys whenever they are offered with regard to experiences with technical support.  I have often said that technical support is frequently neither technical nor supportive.   When I get someone who's one or the other, but not both, that feedback is given.   When I get an exemplar of someone who integrates both things and has "people skills" wrapped up with it they get that feedback, too.

Really good technical support people are as rare as hen's teeth and the really good ones should be identified by those served so they can get the recognition and, I hope, monetary reward that they so justly deserve.
 
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ePUB reading support in Edge: Fwd: Re: Edge evaluated using Spanish interface

Noelia Ruiz
 

Hi, evaluation of Edge with NVDA 2018.2.1 regarding ePUB support has been published after review at

http://epubtest.org/evaluation/467/

Below the conversation in DAISY Consortium mailing list.

Cheers




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Responder a: EPUB Reading System Testing Group <epub-rs-a11y-testing@...>
Para: EPUB Reading System Testing Group <epub-rs-a11y-testing@...>

Thanks for review and for being precisse about what you find useful in evaluation.
I will forward this to NVDA's users mailing list.

Best


El 03/07/2018 a las 16:37, Prashant Ranjan Verma escribió:
Dear Noelia,
Your evaluation is published. Thanks for the contribution, particulary the elaborate notes.
The Edge evaluation is at http://epubtest.org/evaluation/467/
Best,
Prashant
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Dear list and reviewers:
I've evaluated Edge using Spanish interface, since my Windows is set to this language.
Hope keystrokes are right: control+g to use the page feature, f7 for caret browsing and f6 to switch between book contents and reading system features. Please, feel free to change them if they are wrong.
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Re: accessibility training is important too.

 

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 08:58 pm, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Just goes to show these people are clueless to what's going on.
Not that I'm defending true cluelessness, but do take into account that it's sometimes easy to forget "in the heat of the moment" of trying to fix a problem that someone might have mentioned that they are blind.

The truly clueless won't miss a beat and will continue on as though you didn't remind them.  The situationally momentarily clueless will usually apologize for having slipped into routine and start troubleshooting how to troubleshoot with you.

Even I have, on rare occasion, found myself slipping into a moment of talking to a blind person as though they can see.  It's what happens when I remember, or get that nudge to remind me, that's different from the truly clueless.

There are mental scripts one has for one's typical audience or audiences, and it is far too easy to slip into the wrong script upon occasion.
 
--

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     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 


a question about recording with audacity

Bobby Vinton
 

Hay I have a usb microphone and would like to record my voice and screen reader together with audacity.  I was wondering how this can be done?  If any one knows just let me know.


Re: accessibility training is important too.

Place, Vicki
 

Robert,

I so loved your article. It is an important reminder for us, who work in assistive technology who do NOT have a disability, how we need to communicate in the proper technology language.

I so appreciate your reminder.

============================
Vicki Place
 

 
Assistive Technology Center
Program Support Supervisor II
 
Phone: (509) 542-4428
On-Campus Ext.: 2428
Location:  T422
Mail Stop: MS-T6
 
Hours: 
7:00 am - 4:30 pm; Mon-Thurs
7:00 am- Noon; Friday
 
California State University, Northridge 
Assistive Technology Applications Certificate Program (ATACP)
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2018 4:51 PM
To: games_access@...; Top tech editorial; main@TechTalk.groups.io; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.

In this post, I detail an experience talking to Microsoft's disability
answer desk and talk about the importance of using disability language
when interacting with a disabled customer, especially if you are
operating disability support. Feel free to share widely.

https://medium.com/p/a0d8aead2659?source=user_profile---------2-------------------


Re: more on symbol pronounciation

 

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 01:18 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Maybe we need a simple to understand explanation, as much of this has grown over time and additional parameters have been added as needed to control stuff, but precious little detail seems to be around.
You really have no idea just how frequent and common this is as very few software projects put nearly the emphasis on documentation, both for their programming team and end users, that they should.

This issue is complicated by the fact that there exists a very strongly embedded culture among a very large swath of programmers that, "the code is self documenting," so comments are not used and that it's "a waste of my time" to work with technical writers to create the manuals for either future programmers or end users.  It's had a pernicious effect since day one.

Features, and their attendant data changes, get added of necessity or desire, but documentation surrounding same often never gets updated or created.  I've encountered this recently with regard to the Read-Only attribute on folders under Windows, which employs a 3-state checkbox [which should have been implemented as a radio button group, if you ask me], that is virtually undocumented.  I didn't think there was anything under the sun about Windows that I hadn't encountered at some point during my long career, but that was a new one on me.
 
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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

Mohamed
 

That's probably a synthesizer issue, as far as I know NVDA doesn't attempt to distinguish between the various types of dots other than the sentence ending and the symbol.

On 7/3/2018 6:45 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
But that does not explain point in web addresses but dot in email addresses.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more on symbol pronounciation


Level indicates at what symbol level the character is spoken, and
preserve controls whether the symbol is actually sent to the synthesizer
or not, so for the bang/exclamation point, its replacement is spoken at
symbol level all and is always sent to the synthesizer so it can decide
to handle the punctuation mark in the way it chooses. The sentence
ending version of the period is used at the end of sentences, and the
other period entry is used for everything else.


On 7/2/2018 4:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It's also not entirely clear to me what the "level" and "preserve"
settings mean and how they interact with each other and how order in
the list might influence things as well.

Since the sentence ending period (dot) and exclamation point (bang)
are noted as level all and preserve always, while further down we have
the period character with dot (the pronunciation) with level some and
preserve never and the exclamation point character with bang with
level all and preserve never it's really unclear to me what one would
have to do to get context specific pronunciation.

When you throw in decimal point, which shows no actual character, just
the name decimal point, things become more unclear.

I generally use "bang" for the exclamation point only in the context
of programming or when writing out a keystroke sequence that requires
its use, but "exclamation point" when talking about it as a
punctuation mark.

When it comes to the period character it's period as punctuation in
written English or other natural language, dot in things like URLs or
other classification systems, and point in numbers.

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In praise of Waterfox

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

One other thing I really like about it is the no messing way you can get auto log in to run on web sites. for some reason, firefox nearly always fails to log in automatically and sometimes simply refuses, where as with the basic defaults, Waterfox just works.
I feel Fireffox are suffering from far too complexity for their own good and in doing so have compromised a lot of what it used to offer.
I would also urge Nvaccess to support waterfox by testing all new code on it as well as the other main browsers, as unless they foul something up big time it does seem to be gaining a lot of friends of late.


I think the only thing I miss is the ability to clear out the clutter and read the text mode.
Brian

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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

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But that does not explain point in web addresses but dot in email addresses.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more on symbol pronounciation


Level indicates at what symbol level the character is spoken, and
preserve controls whether the symbol is actually sent to the synthesizer
or not, so for the bang/exclamation point, its replacement is spoken at
symbol level all and is always sent to the synthesizer so it can decide
to handle the punctuation mark in the way it chooses. The sentence
ending version of the period is used at the end of sentences, and the
other period entry is used for everything else.


On 7/2/2018 4:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It's also not entirely clear to me what the "level" and "preserve"
settings mean and how they interact with each other and how order in
the list might influence things as well.

Since the sentence ending period (dot) and exclamation point (bang)
are noted as level all and preserve always, while further down we have
the period character with dot (the pronunciation) with level some and
preserve never and the exclamation point character with bang with
level all and preserve never it's really unclear to me what one would
have to do to get context specific pronunciation.

When you throw in decimal point, which shows no actual character, just
the name decimal point, things become more unclear.

I generally use "bang" for the exclamation point only in the context
of programming or when writing out a keystroke sequence that requires
its use, but "exclamation point" when talking about it as a
punctuation mark.

When it comes to the period character it's period as punctuation in
written English or other natural language, dot in things like URLs or
other classification systems, and point in numbers.

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well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong./

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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

Mohamed
 

Level indicates at what symbol level the character is spoken, and preserve controls whether the symbol is actually sent to the synthesizer or not, so for the bang/exclamation point, its replacement is spoken at symbol level all and is always sent to the synthesizer so it can decide to handle the punctuation mark in the way it chooses. The sentence ending version of the period is used at the end of sentences, and the other period entry is used for everything else.


On 7/2/2018 4:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It's also not entirely clear to me what the "level" and "preserve" settings mean and how they interact with each other and how order in the list might influence things as well.

Since the sentence ending period (dot) and exclamation point (bang) are noted as level all and preserve always, while further down we have the period character with dot (the pronunciation) with level some and preserve never and the exclamation point character with bang with level all and preserve never it's really unclear to me what one would have to do to get context specific pronunciation.

When you throw in decimal point, which shows no actual character, just the name decimal point, things become more unclear.

I generally use "bang" for the exclamation point only in the context of programming or when writing out a keystroke sequence that requires its use, but "exclamation point" when talking about it as a punctuation mark.

When it comes to the period character it's period as punctuation in written English or other natural language, dot in things like URLs or other classification systems, and point in numbers.

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Re: waterfox accessibility message

 

The only things I have set is keyboard navigation and to not block alerts from autorefresh.

The thing is that it uses both classic and quantom engines, in theory at least, if one engine will not work it will go back on the other, however it also means it will support the old classic addons and new web extention standards.

By default, it will not do multiprocesser either which is nice.

By default, it  at least with the modules I have, will not always complete sites like registrations or capchas unless I run it in vanilla mode but that does mean things will run as they should.

I hope it continues as it does.

On 7/3/2018 8:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes one thing I find about the current waterfox is that it seldom misses loading a page and presents the try again of firefox. it also does not  go berserk warning you of trivial issues with web sites and presents understandable alerts that you do not need to be a dictionary or avid reader of help files to understand straight away. I have to also say that some bits of nvda might benefit from a less programmer driven language in explanations too.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


Well waterfox is supposed to use both api bases both classic and otherwise.

Waterfox is only loosly based off firefox anyway.

They keep saying things will change.

To be honest if all options worked as they used to and all the buttons and old menubars could come back somehow that would be fine, tthere is an addon for download sounds and I guess I could live with that but not the performance slowdown on systems with little memmory or power.




On 7/3/2018 5:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So are you saying then that in august when Firefox esr is officially Quantum based, the old extensions will work? I was under the impression that the whole ethos of quantum was to protect the rendering code and not allow addons that can interact in any way other than those already defined. This would men navigational sounds and many others would be suspended.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


It will remain.

Nothing goes away, I had to get noscript back but to be honest nothing else.

Nothing will happen, waterfox is supposed to be using both classic and quantom interfaces.

So in short in theory at least you should be able to run both web and classic extentions easily enough.

Its in the future we aren't trading one codebase for another.

Thats why I keep waterfox round.




On 7/2/2018 8:14 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So how can I stop this happening. I need navigational sounds to remain.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2018 10:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


Hello I downloaded the latest waterfox from the waterfox website

when I installed it and launched it it brings up a message that accessibility has ben parshally disabled do to compatibility with screen readers

1 how do I get access to that message to work with it?

2. what do I choose on this perticular message?

thanks

Hank


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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

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Yes and its not just Espeak that seems to alter this either. I noticed the other day that Sapi 5 in web addresses says point, but it says dot in email addresses which seems to override what the symbols are telling it to do.
Maybe we need a simple to understand explanation, as much of this has grown over time and additional parameters have been added as needed to control stuff, but precious little detail seems to be around. Something I touched on in another thread recently.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more on symbol pronounciation


It's also not entirely clear to me what the "level" and "preserve" settings mean and how they interact with each other and how order in the list might influence things as well.

Since the sentence ending period (dot) and exclamation point (bang) are noted as level all and preserve always, while further down we have the period character with dot (the pronunciation) with level some and preserve never and the exclamation point character with bang with level all and preserve never it's really unclear to me what one would have to do to get context specific pronunciation.

When you throw in decimal point, which shows no actual character, just the name decimal point, things become more unclear.

I generally use "bang" for the exclamation point only in the context of programming or when writing out a keystroke sequence that requires its use, but "exclamation point" when talking about it as a punctuation mark.

When it comes to the period character it's period as punctuation in written English or other natural language, dot in things like URLs or other classification systems, and point in numbers.

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Re: more on symbol pronounciation/remote access

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Yes but why stop there, see my other message. I'm happy to share mine but do not want to be accused of breaking somebody's screenreader!
How is NVDA Remote for the new code fixes doing, I think you are one of the authors of that.
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Then change the other two.
On 7/2/2018 11:44 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

Running NVDA 2018.2.1 on win7, working fine. In symbols pronounciation
I changed the first two items sentence endings the dot and bang
changed them to period and exclaimation, seleced ok, saved
configuration, and restarted NVDA, this did not work.

Thanks.
Dave.




Re: more on symbol pronounciation

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Strange I've done huge changes with semicolons apostrophes and loads of others and the seem to have stuck.
I think NVDA urgently needs an ability to load national variations of these symbols easily. When I wanted to give mine to somebody else it meant trying to see where the file was stored, and then putting my file in after renaming theirs, otherwise its either install it from a portable copy over theirs and lose their other settings or do it all one at a time and as we all know the symbols turn up multiple times so need to all be changed.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 7:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] more on symbol pronounciation


Hello,

Running NVDA 2018.2.1 on win7, working fine. In symbols pronounciation
I changed the first two items sentence endings the dot and bang
changed them to period and exclaimation, seleced ok, saved
configuration, and restarted NVDA, this did not work.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: waterfox accessibility message

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Yes one thing I find about the current waterfox is that it seldom misses loading a page and presents the try again of firefox. it also does not go berserk warning you of trivial issues with web sites and presents understandable alerts that you do not need to be a dictionary or avid reader of help files to understand straight away. I have to also say that some bits of nvda might benefit from a less programmer driven language in explanations too.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


Well waterfox is supposed to use both api bases both classic and otherwise.

Waterfox is only loosly based off firefox anyway.

They keep saying things will change.

To be honest if all options worked as they used to and all the buttons and old menubars could come back somehow that would be fine, tthere is an addon for download sounds and I guess I could live with that but not the performance slowdown on systems with little memmory or power.




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So are you saying then that in august when Firefox esr is officially Quantum based, the old extensions will work? I was under the impression that the whole ethos of quantum was to protect the rendering code and not allow addons that can interact in any way other than those already defined. This would men navigational sounds and many others would be suspended.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:00 AM
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It will remain.

Nothing goes away, I had to get noscript back but to be honest nothing else.

Nothing will happen, waterfox is supposed to be using both classic and quantom interfaces.

So in short in theory at least you should be able to run both web and classic extentions easily enough.

Its in the future we aren't trading one codebase for another.

Thats why I keep waterfox round.




On 7/2/2018 8:14 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So how can I stop this happening. I need navigational sounds to remain.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@...>
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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2018 10:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


Hello I downloaded the latest waterfox from the waterfox website

when I installed it and launched it it brings up a message that accessibility has ben parshally disabled do to compatibility with screen readers

1 how do I get access to that message to work with it?

2. what do I choose on this perticular message?

thanks

Hank


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