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Re: Thunderbird busy

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Yes Firefox does the same. it means what it says. Of course if it remains for ever you have an issue. Normally some message about your server has stopped responding or whatever will come up if there is no sign of it working. Normally I used to find it took longer on imap than pop3, but it also depends on how fast your isp sends emails and whether you also may have news groups and multiple accounts to poll.
Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird busy


Hi, John,


I think it means the messages are downloading to your inbox. You can either tab to get to the inbox or hit f-6.


Hope this helps.


Rosemarie




On 7/4/2018 8:43 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Hello,

When I start Thunderbird I get this mesagge. What does it mean and how do I get rid of it? I have a notebook computer.

Thanks,
John


Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

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The sounds have not actually changed, but of course if you played with them, then some may well be still there.
I have only the old ones.
Yes that message about delete from just this device etc, is sometimes irritating but its not the whole story. The question is, can you use the prefs and share on the context menu of explorer?
Prefs from the icon and share from the application menu in explorer.
You are using windows 10, but I am on 7. However I have had messages from 7 users off list saying they cannot see any issues with these dialogues, and of course log in used to work as it could no have been originally installed and set up without it.
Also after the log in with sighted help on Tuesday, there appears to be a rudimentary browser launched. this does not read one supposes due to it not being seen as a system that virtual buffers are created for.
I seem to remember this was always a problem in Dropbox, so its all very odd.
Dropbox got back to me saying nothing has been changed in the dialogues, so it must be my end.
All roads seem to lead back to Windows.
I am not reinstalling windows though. That is silly.

There is a video on line on youtube where the guy explains how to reregister all dll files but since he is using video there is a heck of a lot of like this and you need to type in exactly what you see on the screen here, including the funny arrow thing. Not a great deal of help!

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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?


Hi Brian

With a restart of the master snap shot now it reads that message. but
before it did not..

But i am wondering when you get the message that comes up for user
statistics it seems like if it crashes there you get some weird results
after that.

if it does not have a little crash then NVDA works aalright after that.


When i did a update to the next snapshot it was alright.

Weird one.

Another thing i just notice just then is when i start up the master snap
shot i am getting the old nvda sounds and seems like new ones just after
it i think it is the same when i shut it down.

Gene nz

7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

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OK none of the dialogues will read or have any content visible to nvda or jaws. In nvda the add on makes no difference. Unfortunately, log in share and preferences are the main ones I need to be able to interact with.

None of them work. There is a ticket for this in github, but I do not have the number at the moment, but people who have seen that say they have not been able to duplicate this with any version of dropbox from 47 to the current 52, and to be fair it used to work, a bit clunky at times but good enough.
I strongly suspect uninstalling something a few months ago has made the problem as it is, and as it affects this machine and another on I use in the recording studio for the talking newspaper, my finger is pointing toward Avastclear. That was some four months ago now.
My reasoning is this.
I have run sfc, which as I see it has made sure all the files are there. I had to reinstall email after this of course as I reported. I uninstalled completely dropbox, and re installed it and that did not fix it. That was when I ended up in Indonesian and unable to log in. Luckily sighted help fixed that on Tuesday, as obviously I had inadvertently move the language in the none reading prefs box, which proves it does actually work, just not read in screenreaders.
So here we are. The tool in nvda of course does not address this at all as its mostly aimed at html buffers etc, not these dialogue boxes.

It basically means at the moment that I cannot share a folder with other people, or log in if I need to do a reinstall of Dropbox as I did the other day.
Its still working fine. Its just not useable for anything other than basic things.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?


Hi Brian


From what i have been looking up it is a messy process. there are
certain ones they refer to of which i think the tool fixes in NVDA.


Apart from that i see the reference to reinstalling windows. I guess it
depends how bad your copy of windows is before you go that far.


What again is drop box not doing?


I have the application drop box on the computer and when i go into it i
can see the different folders and the files with in the folder.

But am sure when i go to delete folders or files it used to give a
message. I am using the latest version of Windows 10 stable 1709 i think
it is along with nvda 2018.2.1


I can get to the message with object navigation though.

But there are new comers to nvda that would not even know how to use
object navigation .



But i can not remember before when you found a file it said the message
do you want to delete this file and send it to the rubbish bin. I notice
it only gives you the option to either click on yes or no but the
message is not read out. I thought it used to be?

If this is the case either some thing has become unchecked in NVDA to do
this or a bug has creeped in.


Gene nz





On 7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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Re: Thunderbird busy

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, John,


I think it means the messages are downloading to your inbox. You can either tab to get to the inbox or hit f-6.


Hope this helps.


Rosemarie

On 7/4/2018 8:43 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Hello,

When I start Thunderbird I get this mesagge. What does it mean and how do I get rid of it? I have a notebook computer.

Thanks,
John


Thunderbird busy

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

When I start Thunderbird I get this mesagge. What does it mean and how do I get rid of it? I have a notebook computer.

Thanks,
John

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Re: Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox

John Isige
 

Same thing for me, NVDA sees it as a clickable list. This will only help for this page, or I guess any other pages on the site since I guess they'd do things the same way, but there's an easy way to get right to where you want to go. If you hit 'b' for "next button", you get taken to the apply button. You can then arrow up or use shift-tab or whatever to get to the clickable list and pick a category.


Re: Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox

 

Hi
In the useful software page, if I use Jaws, I can press C to quickly jump to something like extented list box to filter software by catigory. Do I misunderstand this with the combobox control?
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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox


Are there any on this page? I can see selections that look like lists in focus mode on the page, but they are not in fact combo boxes.
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From: "Dang Manh Cuong" <@cuongdang>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox


Hi
You can try this: https://saomaicenter.org/en/downloads
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52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
Tel: +8428 7302-4488
E-mail: vanphong@...; congnghe@...
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox


Hi,

Do you have an example website where we can try reproducing this? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dang Manh Cuong
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 8:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox



To all listers
Using NVDA 2018.2.1, and cannot press C or shift+C to jump to a combobox in web page created using drupal. This also occurs when I use driver pack a program for searching driver. NVDA just sayy no comboboxes, but I can jump to it using tab or arrows. Seeing this problem with Firefox, Internet explorer, crhome and Microsoft edge.

I think this is not enough to create issue on gidhub so I share here, and I'll research more before submitting an issue. Hope you can pick time research this with me.
Cuong

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52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
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E-mail: vanphong@...; congnghe@...
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Away for a few days

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Hi folks,

I'm on leave for a few days, so won't be as active on here for about a week.  If anyone has anything that needs my attention, feel free to CC info@... to ensure I don't miss it when I'm catching up.

Happy 4th July to all those in the USA!

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FW: [NvDACon-announce] 2018 NVDA Community Add-ons Festival, to be held in September 2018

 

Hi,

Please circulate this far and wide.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: NVDACon-announce@groups.io <NVDACon-announce@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 5:03 PM
To: intl@nvdacon.groups.io
Subject: [NvDACon-announce] 2018 NVDA Community Add-ons Festival, to be held in September 2018

 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m delighted to announce the start of planning phase for NVDA Community Add-ons Festival, to be held in September 2018!

 

In 2017, the community held its first NVDA Add-ons festival to celebrate and recognize various NVDA add-ons and authors that brought them to life. As an offshoot of NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon), this event featured talks from add-on authors, and since last year, various awards, including add-on of the year, new author, and lifetime contributions.

 

As part of the planning phase, the organizers would like to ask add-on authors if they’d like to talk about their add-ons and/or important things the add-ons community needs to know. Also, for the first time, the community will be given a chance to vote their favorite add-on and author of 2018, to be presented during the keynote/awards portion of the event (more on this two-stage voting process to be detailed shortly).

 

If you have any suggestions or comments, please email me (Joseph Lee) at joseph.lee22590@.... Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian

With a restart of the master snap shot now it reads that message. but
before it did not..

But i am wondering when you get the message that comes up for user
statistics it seems like if it crashes there you get some weird results
after that.

if it does not have a little crash  then NVDA works aalright after that.


When i did a update to the next snapshot it was alright.

Weird one.

Another thing i just notice just then is when i start up the master snap
shot i am getting the old nvda sounds and seems like new ones just after
it i think it is the same when i shut it down.

Gene nz

 7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the 
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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Re: Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


From what i have been looking up it is a messy process. there are
certain ones they refer to of which i think the tool fixes in NVDA.


Apart from that i see the reference to reinstalling windows. I guess it
depends how bad your copy  of windows is before you go that far.


What again is drop box not doing?


I have the application drop box on the computer and when i go into it i
can see the different folders and the files with in the folder.

But am sure when i go to delete folders or files it used to give a
message. I am using the latest version of Windows 10 stable 1709 i think
it is along with nvda 2018.2.1


I can get to the message with object navigation though.

But there are new comers to nvda that would not even know how to use
object navigation .



But i can not remember before when you found a file it said the message
do you want to delete this file and send it to the rubbish bin. I notice
it only gives you the option to either click on yes or no but the
message is not read out. I thought it used to be?

If this is the case either some thing has become unchecked in NVDA to do
this  or a bug has creeped in.


Gene nz

On 7/5/2018 7:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it
but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as
you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember
I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to
reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not
check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox
dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the 
file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to
suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have
reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find
much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

Brian

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test

Gary Metzler
 

Just testing.

 

Regards, Gary KN4Ox

Send to: gmtravel@...

 


Re: New release system and new snapshot names from Mick

Kevin Cussick
 

well, after reading about this I think I agree with the devs. I am also pleased to see Nvda improving the way it is being updated. I would hope that most people who run master or the new beta are aware that things may not work as expected.

On 04/07/2018 07:36, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.I wrote:
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To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@...>;
<nvda-translations@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 2:43 AM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] Changes to release process

Hi contributors,


We have made some small changes to the NVDA release process. Please read
the updated Release Process article carefully to understand the changes
and how they will affect you.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ReleaseProcess


In short, Next/incubation is going away, and prs are going to be merged
straight to master. Periodic betas will be offered startin from 5 weeks
before a release.

Please read the entire article to understand the changes fully.


Translators should not be directly affected by this change. Though
technically, translations are now based on a new "beta" branch rather than
master.


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Brian comments. I think this is actually going to affect people on this list
like myself who use the bleeding edge code as portable versions and master
as a daily working version.
I worry a little hear about a large number of untested by users items
arriving in the beta all at once  which might be a little scary if a lot of
people find issues. At the moment they hit next regularly and one can see
the wood for the trees so to speak.
If you have any comments, send them to Mick not me though, as I do not see
any kind of consultation with users on this one.
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Can one re register all dlls in the windows folders safely?

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I don't know how to do it, but I did hear a guy on a video doing it but he seemed to have to back them all up first and unfortunately as you can see here is not best for a blindy.

If it can be done safely, is there a tool for this I can use? Remember I do not want to change any, I've already run sfc /scannow and had to reinstall the email software afterwards. I'm assuming this does not check if the dlls are registered.
The whole idea is of course to attempt to get nvda to see the dropbox dialogues. I'm running out of options here and yes I have run the file register utility in nvda with no sign of any improvements.
If I can do this safely, and that does not cure the issue, I'm open to suggestions except installing windows 10 on this machine. I have reasons for not doing it which are too complex to explain.
Thanks I await the experts to inform me what to do. I could not find much on Microsoft's site, maybe I'm looking for the wrong thing!

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Re: New release system and new snapshot names from Mick

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Hmm, yes but I think at the changeover all those who use master and assume its almost beta quality might need a nudge from a popup or something to tell them the changes. may not read here regularly of course.
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From: "Jason White via Groups.Io" <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New release system and new snapshot names from Mick


It's encouraging that NV Access is making progress toward greater automated regression testing, improved code review procedures, and a better release process.

On 7/4/18, 07:39, "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:


A reply from Mick. I have also added my comments to Josephs translations
sub line earlier as it really does not flag up the extent this change may
affect normal users of snapshots here .

===
He writes:
Hi Brian,


I appreciate your constructive feedback. We will certainly think about
your proposal and see what we can manage.

Although we have published the new process, we have not yet removed any
branches or switched anyone over, so we can still make some changes
before committing to this fully.


The reasons for sticking with the name master for the default
development branch are:

1. We don't want to break existing pull requests which are currently
open against master. There are more than 40 or so.

2. We don't want new contributors submitting pull requests against an
old (defunct) version of master (if we do move).

3. master is the generally accepted name for the default branch of git
repositories for most projects on github.


There may be another way to solve this specifically for snapshots. I'll
have to research this further.


We will wait for more feedback and think on this more.


Mick





But,




On 4/07/2018 4:59 PM, Brians old account via Nvda-devel wrote:
> While I can see the reasoning for this change. I do think that a number of
> us are going to have to do the following. When the Next becomes master, we
> are going to have a period when the new beta branch does not exist, Now
> taking my own case as a for instance. I currently use master as my working
> version though I of course do have a portable of the latest stable
> version, That will mean if I do nothing result in effectively my master
> becoming next, which means my normal copy is now bleeding edge code. I may
> have to wait till the new beta is created for the ability to change this
> around, and make next master and master beta. Would it not be more
> sensible to just remove master, and use next as you propose master is to
> be, then create a new beta when applicable?
> That way folk used to using master as pretty stable will not be affected.
> They will stay on master, then when a new beta comes out they will be
> migrated to this for their working versions.
> if you want users to participate, as I think is a good thing, in my view
> the proposal I outline above will carry more people with you. also please
> remember to formerly tell people on the user list about what you are doing
> so you do not suddenly find a lot of folk with problems.
> I do realise that there are now a lot more checks done automatically, but
> in the end its the user that will be running the code more than anyone
> else, and feedback from that cohort of people is worth its weight in gold.
> we all know that many programmers are the worst testers as they are
> predictable. its the newbie and the less confident user who finds the
> bugs.
> So what do you think?
>
> Brian
>
> bgaff@...
> Brian Gaff's other account.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Curran" <mick@...>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@...>;
> <nvda-translations@groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 2:43 AM
> Subject: [Nvda-devel] Changes to release process
>
>
>> Hi contributors,
>>
>>
>> We have made some small changes to the NVDA release process. Please read
>> the updated Release Process article carefully to understand the changes
>> and how they will affect you.
>>
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ReleaseProcess
>>
>>
>> In short, Next/incubation is going away, and prs are going to be merged
>> straight to master. Periodic betas will be offered startin from 5 weeks
>> before a release.
>>
>> Please read the entire article to understand the changes fully.
>>
>>
>> Translators should not be directly affected by this change. Though
>> technically, translations are now based on a new "beta" branch rather
>> than master.
>>
>>
>> Mick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Mick Curran
>> Executive Director, NV Access Limited
>> PH: +61 7 3149 3306 ext. 101
>> www: http://www.nvaccess.org/
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>
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> From: "Mick Curran" <mick@...>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@...>;
> <nvda-translations@groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 2:43 AM
> Subject: [Nvda-devel] Changes to release process
>
>
>> Hi contributors,
>>
>>
>> We have made some small changes to the NVDA release process. Please read
>> the updated Release Process article carefully to understand the changes
>> and how they will affect you.
>>
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ReleaseProcess
>>
>>
>> In short, Next/incubation is going away, and prs are going to be merged
>> straight to master. Periodic betas will be offered startin from 5 weeks
>> before a release.
>>
>> Please read the entire article to understand the changes fully.
>>
>>
>> Translators should not be directly affected by this change. Though
>> technically, translations are now based on a new "beta" branch rather
>> than
>> master.
>>
>>
>> Mick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Mick Curran
>> Executive Director, NV Access Limited
>> PH: +61 7 3149 3306 ext. 101
>> www: http://www.nvaccess.org/
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
> Brian comments. I think this is actually going to affect people on this
> list
> like myself who use the bleeding edge code as portable versions and master
> as a daily working version.
> I worry a little hear about a large number of untested by users items
> arriving in the beta all at once which might be a little scary if a lot
> of
> people find issues. At the moment they hit next regularly and one can see
> the wood for the trees so to speak.
>
> If you have any comments, send them to Mick not me though, as I do not see
> any kind of consultation with users on this one.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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Re: New release system and new snapshot names from Mick

Jason White
 

It's encouraging that NV Access is making progress toward greater automated regression testing, improved code review procedures, and a better release process.

On 7/4/18, 07:39, "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:


A reply from Mick. I have also added my comments to Josephs translations
sub line earlier as it really does not flag up the extent this change may
affect normal users of snapshots here .

===
He writes:
Hi Brian,


I appreciate your constructive feedback. We will certainly think about
your proposal and see what we can manage.

Although we have published the new process, we have not yet removed any
branches or switched anyone over, so we can still make some changes
before committing to this fully.


The reasons for sticking with the name master for the default
development branch are:

1. We don't want to break existing pull requests which are currently
open against master. There are more than 40 or so.

2. We don't want new contributors submitting pull requests against an
old (defunct) version of master (if we do move).

3. master is the generally accepted name for the default branch of git
repositories for most projects on github.


There may be another way to solve this specifically for snapshots. I'll
have to research this further.


We will wait for more feedback and think on this more.


Mick





But,




On 4/07/2018 4:59 PM, Brians old account via Nvda-devel wrote:
> While I can see the reasoning for this change. I do think that a number of
> us are going to have to do the following. When the Next becomes master, we
> are going to have a period when the new beta branch does not exist, Now
> taking my own case as a for instance. I currently use master as my working
> version though I of course do have a portable of the latest stable
> version, That will mean if I do nothing result in effectively my master
> becoming next, which means my normal copy is now bleeding edge code. I may
> have to wait till the new beta is created for the ability to change this
> around, and make next master and master beta. Would it not be more
> sensible to just remove master, and use next as you propose master is to
> be, then create a new beta when applicable?
> That way folk used to using master as pretty stable will not be affected.
> They will stay on master, then when a new beta comes out they will be
> migrated to this for their working versions.
> if you want users to participate, as I think is a good thing, in my view
> the proposal I outline above will carry more people with you. also please
> remember to formerly tell people on the user list about what you are doing
> so you do not suddenly find a lot of folk with problems.
> I do realise that there are now a lot more checks done automatically, but
> in the end its the user that will be running the code more than anyone
> else, and feedback from that cohort of people is worth its weight in gold.
> we all know that many programmers are the worst testers as they are
> predictable. its the newbie and the less confident user who finds the
> bugs.
> So what do you think?
>
> Brian
>
> bgaff@...
> Brian Gaff's other account.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Curran" <mick@...>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@...>;
> <nvda-translations@groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 2:43 AM
> Subject: [Nvda-devel] Changes to release process
>
>
>> Hi contributors,
>>
>>
>> We have made some small changes to the NVDA release process. Please read
>> the updated Release Process article carefully to understand the changes
>> and how they will affect you.
>>
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ReleaseProcess
>>
>>
>> In short, Next/incubation is going away, and prs are going to be merged
>> straight to master. Periodic betas will be offered startin from 5 weeks
>> before a release.
>>
>> Please read the entire article to understand the changes fully.
>>
>>
>> Translators should not be directly affected by this change. Though
>> technically, translations are now based on a new "beta" branch rather
>> than master.
>>
>>
>> Mick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Mick Curran
>> Executive Director, NV Access Limited
>> PH: +61 7 3149 3306 ext. 101
>> www: http://www.nvaccess.org/
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Nvda-devel@...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel
>>
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>
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Subject: [nvda] New release system and new snapshot names from Mick


> From: "Mick Curran" <mick@...>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@...>;
> <nvda-translations@groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 2:43 AM
> Subject: [Nvda-devel] Changes to release process
>
>
>> Hi contributors,
>>
>>
>> We have made some small changes to the NVDA release process. Please read
>> the updated Release Process article carefully to understand the changes
>> and how they will affect you.
>>
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ReleaseProcess
>>
>>
>> In short, Next/incubation is going away, and prs are going to be merged
>> straight to master. Periodic betas will be offered startin from 5 weeks
>> before a release.
>>
>> Please read the entire article to understand the changes fully.
>>
>>
>> Translators should not be directly affected by this change. Though
>> technically, translations are now based on a new "beta" branch rather
>> than
>> master.
>>
>>
>> Mick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Mick Curran
>> Executive Director, NV Access Limited
>> PH: +61 7 3149 3306 ext. 101
>> www: http://www.nvaccess.org/
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Nvda-devel@...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel
>>
> Brian comments. I think this is actually going to affect people on this
> list
> like myself who use the bleeding edge code as portable versions and master
> as a daily working version.
> I worry a little hear about a large number of untested by users items
> arriving in the beta all at once which might be a little scary if a lot
> of
> people find issues. At the moment they hit next regularly and one can see
> the wood for the trees so to speak.
>
> If you have any comments, send them to Mick not me though, as I do not see
> any kind of consultation with users on this one.
> Brian
>
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test

Gary Metzler
 

Just testing.


Re: New release system and new snapshot names from Mick

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

A reply from Mick. I have also added my comments to Josephs translations sub line earlier as it really does not flag up the extent this change may affect normal users of snapshots here .

===
He writes:
Hi Brian,


I appreciate your constructive feedback. We will certainly think about
your proposal and see what we can manage.

Although we have published the new process, we have not yet removed any
branches or switched anyone over, so we can still make some changes
before committing to this fully.


The reasons for sticking with the name master for the default
development branch are:

1. We don't want to break existing pull requests which are currently
open against master. There are more than 40 or so.

2. We don't want new contributors submitting pull requests against an
old (defunct) version of master (if we do move).

3. master is the generally accepted name for the default branch of git
repositories for most projects on github.


There may be another way to solve this specifically for snapshots. I'll
have to research this further.


We will wait for more feedback and think on this more.


Mick





But,




On 4/07/2018 4:59 PM, Brians old account via Nvda-devel wrote:
While I can see the reasoning for this change. I do think that a number of us are going to have to do the following. When the Next becomes master, we are going to have a period when the new beta branch does not exist, Now taking my own case as a for instance. I currently use master as my working version though I of course do have a portable of the latest stable version, That will mean if I do nothing result in effectively my master becoming next, which means my normal copy is now bleeding edge code. I may have to wait till the new beta is created for the ability to change this around, and make next master and master beta. Would it not be more sensible to just remove master, and use next as you propose master is to be, then create a new beta when applicable?
That way folk used to using master as pretty stable will not be affected. They will stay on master, then when a new beta comes out they will be migrated to this for their working versions.
if you want users to participate, as I think is a good thing, in my view the proposal I outline above will carry more people with you. also please remember to formerly tell people on the user list about what you are doing so you do not suddenly find a lot of folk with problems.
I do realise that there are now a lot more checks done automatically, but in the end its the user that will be running the code more than anyone else, and feedback from that cohort of people is worth its weight in gold. we all know that many programmers are the worst testers as they are predictable. its the newbie and the less confident user who finds the bugs.
So what do you think?

Brian

bgaff@...
Brian Gaff's other account.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Curran" <mick@...>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@...>; <nvda-translations@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 2:43 AM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] Changes to release process


Hi contributors,


We have made some small changes to the NVDA release process. Please read the updated Release Process article carefully to understand the changes and how they will affect you.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ReleaseProcess


In short, Next/incubation is going away, and prs are going to be merged straight to master. Periodic betas will be offered startin from 5 weeks before a release.

Please read the entire article to understand the changes fully.


Translators should not be directly affected by this change. Though technically, translations are now based on a new "beta" branch rather than master.


Mick









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From: "Mick Curran" <mick@...>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@...>;
<nvda-translations@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 2:43 AM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] Changes to release process


Hi contributors,


We have made some small changes to the NVDA release process. Please read
the updated Release Process article carefully to understand the changes
and how they will affect you.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ReleaseProcess


In short, Next/incubation is going away, and prs are going to be merged
straight to master. Periodic betas will be offered startin from 5 weeks
before a release.

Please read the entire article to understand the changes fully.


Translators should not be directly affected by this change. Though
technically, translations are now based on a new "beta" branch rather than
master.


Mick









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Brian comments. I think this is actually going to affect people on this list
like myself who use the bleeding edge code as portable versions and master
as a daily working version.
I worry a little hear about a large number of untested by users items
arriving in the beta all at once which might be a little scary if a lot of
people find issues. At the moment they hit next regularly and one can see
the wood for the trees so to speak.

If you have any comments, send them to Mick not me though, as I do not see
any kind of consultation with users on this one.
Brian

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Re: Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox

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And it goes into focus mode and then can be selected from in waterfox I think.
I had this same authoring error on a charity website the other week as well, its been fixed now along with exposing static text as an edit area with hilarious results, not intended by the writer!
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox


Hi,

Ah, the control in question is exposed as a list box, for which NVDA does
not recognize as a combo box.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dang Manh Cuong
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox



Hi

You can try this: https://saomaicenter.org/en/downloads

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----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee <mailto:@joslee>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 10:07 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox



Hi,

Do you have an example website where we can try reproducing this? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Dang Manh Cuong
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 8:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox



To all listers
Using NVDA 2018.2.1, and cannot press C or shift+C to jump to a combobox in
web page created using drupal. This also occurs when I use driver pack a
program for searching driver. NVDA just sayy no comboboxes, but I can jump
to it using tab or arrows. Seeing this problem with Firefox, Internet
explorer, crhome and Microsoft edge.

I think this is not enough to create issue on gidhub so I share here, and
I'll research more before submitting an issue. Hope you can pick time
research this with me.
Cuong

----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
Tel: +8428 7302-4488
E-mail: vanphong@... <mailto:vanphong@...> ;
congnghe@... <mailto:congnghe@...>
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org Mobile
/ Zalo: +84 902-572-300
E-mail: @cuongdang <mailto:@cuongdang> ;
cuong@... <mailto:cuong@...>
Skype name: dangmanhcuong
facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
Twitter: @ManhCuongTech






Re: Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox

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Are there any on this page? I can see selections that look like lists in focus mode on the page, but they are not in fact combo boxes.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dang Manh Cuong" <@cuongdang>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox


Hi
You can try this: https://saomaicenter.org/en/downloads
----------------
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The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
Tel: +8428 7302-4488
E-mail: vanphong@...; congnghe@...
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox


Hi,

Do you have an example website where we can try reproducing this? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dang Manh Cuong
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 8:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot press c or shift+C to jump to combobox



To all listers
Using NVDA 2018.2.1, and cannot press C or shift+C to jump to a combobox in web page created using drupal. This also occurs when I use driver pack a program for searching driver. NVDA just sayy no comboboxes, but I can jump to it using tab or arrows. Seeing this problem with Firefox, Internet explorer, crhome and Microsoft edge.

I think this is not enough to create issue on gidhub so I share here, and I'll research more before submitting an issue. Hope you can pick time research this with me.
Cuong

----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
Tel: +8428 7302-4488
E-mail: vanphong@...; congnghe@...
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
E-mail: @cuongdang; cuong@...
Skype name: dangmanhcuong
facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
Twitter: @ManhCuongTech