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NVDA 2020.2 Beta 2 now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.2 Beta 2 is now available.  Changes from Beta1 include:

- Updated translations for many languages
- Small corrections to the changes file.
- No longer speak “object replacement character”
- Adds Ukrainian computer Braille table

We're encouraging as many people to test the beta as possible.  Please see the full changes and download the new beta at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2beta2/

If you are using Beta1, it should prompt to update automatically within the next day or so.  The betas will then prompt to update to any subsequent betas, the release candidate build(s) and the final stable 2020.2 when it is released.

Kind regards

Quentin.
-- 

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Hello Bryan,
Thank you, I know who built it, so I'll send them some materials on making accessible Word forms. I sent them some information on accessible PDF forms earlier, but it is slightly different in Word.
I've never used an accessible form in Word, other than some check boxes,, so didn't know what to expect.
Thank you,


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:32 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Brandon,

            This appears to be a very decently designed MS-Word fillable form, at least strictly from a visual standpoint, accessibility is another thing.  The form itself is password protected, so I cannot dissect the form in detail.  There do not appear to be any tables visually, and why this designer chose to use them I have no idea, as I'm hearing what you are when traversing the form.  The form just a series of text form fields, with the exception of the Date Awarded, which is a dropdown that allows selection from a calendar, though you can type in mm/dd/yyyy if you so choose.

I can tab and shift+Tab to move to the next/previous form fields.  Home/End take me to the first/last position in a form field.  But only some of the fields have any alt-text to tell you what they are.  

The text in between the fields is not accessible, nor should it be accessible, while the form is in "fillable" mode and if the designer knew what they were doing they should have placed alt text on each fillable item that tells you what the labels that are part of the form show.  They also should not have used tables in a form of this type.  There are times they're helpful, but not here.

I don't know what options you have as far as seeking assistance with, and giving feedback about, this form.  But whoever designed this doesn't know even basic accessibility principles for a fillable form.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Brandon,

             Where there's a will, and a bit of devious research, there's a way.  This link is to a downloadable version of the form you provided earlier, but in RTF format, on my Google Drive with all protections removed:  https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1_MxI6QBGRvzVw3uq-_MLIBjn_QNB1uJV

As a result, it behaves very much like any regular word document, and you can feel free to promptly do a Save As and save it in docx format again.  I left all of the form fields in the document.  Everywhere that you need to fill in will have the phrase "Click or tap here to enter text" which you can select and actually fill in what was noted in the document just before that.  The exception is the date, where the phrase, "Click or tap here to enter date" is used.

The table format remains, but at least you should be able to hear what you need to hear in order to fill this thing out independently.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Brandon,

            This appears to be a very decently designed MS-Word fillable form, at least strictly from a visual standpoint, accessibility is another thing.  The form itself is password protected, so I cannot dissect the form in detail.  There do not appear to be any tables visually, and why this designer chose to use them I have no idea, as I'm hearing what you are when traversing the form.  The form just a series of text form fields, with the exception of the Date Awarded, which is a dropdown that allows selection from a calendar, though you can type in mm/dd/yyyy if you so choose.

I can tab and shift+Tab to move to the next/previous form fields.  Home/End take me to the first/last position in a form field.  But only some of the fields have any alt-text to tell you what they are.  

The text in between the fields is not accessible, nor should it be accessible, while the form is in "fillable" mode and if the designer knew what they were doing they should have placed alt text on each fillable item that tells you what the labels that are part of the form show.  They also should not have used tables in a form of this type.  There are times they're helpful, but not here.

I don't know what options you have as far as seeking assistance with, and giving feedback about, this form.  But whoever designed this doesn't know even basic accessibility principles for a fillable form.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

Luke Davis
 

Also don't forget about Firefox Send (https://send.firefox.com), which lets you send a file that expires after a certain number of days or downloads. (I believe 1 day and 1 download, if you don't have an account.)

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, or similar is probably the best way to share a copy of this document.  I've just used a free cloud solution when I needed
to share something widely among the readership here.


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Hello,
Sorry, the attached word document did not come through. Here is the document to download:
(Click on the "VENDOR_SELECTION_FORM.docx" and it will download)
Thanks,

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:58 PM Brandon Keith Biggs via groups.io <brandonkeithbiggs=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello,

I am unable to navigate this attached word document with NVDA. Does anyone know NVDA settings or word settings I can do to make this document readable?

Here are the problems:

1.       I am unable to press left or right arrow keys, or ctrl+left or ctrl+right arrow keys to move through each row.

2.       I am unable to erase content after typing it without arrowing down, out of the box, then arrowing back into the box

3.       The text in between the tables is not read by NVDA

4.       Using table navigation commands doesn't seem to work properly, from column 2, I am unable to move to column 1.

5.       When arrowing through the table, I sometimes get stuck in an endless loop, around the check boxes

6.       Arrowing up and down doesn't seem to always show the same content I just past.

Thank you,



Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, or similar is probably the best way to share a copy of this document.  I've just used a free cloud solution when I needed to share something widely among the readership here.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

Luke Davis
 

Attachments can't be sent to the list; it didn't come through.

You'll need to put it in Dropbox or something, or send it to someone off-list who can do that. (I can)

Luke


Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

 

Hello,

I am unable to navigate this attached word document with NVDA. Does anyone know NVDA settings or word settings I can do to make this document readable?

Here are the problems:

1.       I am unable to press left or right arrow keys, or ctrl+left or ctrl+right arrow keys to move through each row.

2.       I am unable to erase content after typing it without arrowing down, out of the box, then arrowing back into the box

3.       The text in between the tables is not read by NVDA

4.       Using table navigation commands doesn't seem to work properly, from column 2, I am unable to move to column 1.

5.       When arrowing through the table, I sometimes get stuck in an endless loop, around the check boxes

6.       Arrowing up and down doesn't seem to always show the same content I just past.

Thank you,



Re: Discrepancy Between NVDA and Youtube sounds

Daniel Damacena
 

alt, more tools, extensions, main menu, hotkeys.
I use chrome in my own language, so it might be a little bit different.

Em ter., 23 de jun. de 2020 às 11:19, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> escreveu:

about the discripancy betwen the volume of YouTube  and Nvda, Daniel
wrote here as: 'I use an extension called "sound booster that works"
in Chrome. If the video is too low,, you can click on it, or set a
hotkey to it, so that the video's volume increases. It is fast and
works very well!'. I added the extention to my Chrome. I didn't know
where to klick or how to set hotkies to increase YouTube volume as
much as nvda. solution please?
fondly!On 6/14/20, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@...> wrote:
> Hi every one,
> There is a discrepancy between the volume of sound I get from NVDA and
> Youtube.
> For instance, when I listen to a Youtube video I need to turn the
> volume all the way up to hear some sound,  but then the volume from
> NVDA is at 100%.
> Is there a way to equalize the sound volumes of both NVDA and Youtube
> so that I won't have to turn up the volume all the way up to listen to
> a Youtube video?
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Nevzat Adil
> Library of Congress Certified
> Literary Braille Proofreader
> C: 512 502 4403
> e-mail: nevzatadil@...
> Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader
>
>
>
>





--
Daniel Damacena


Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

Luke Davis
 

Just for the record, for anyone who wants it for some obscure reason, 2017.3 can be downloaded directly from NV Access, at https://nvaccess.org/download.

But seriously people, please don't. Unless you're running Vista or XP, you don't want or need this. There is no, zero, as in not any, positive value to running 2017.3 under Windows 10.

Luke

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, Arlene wrote:

Hey Zarah, I did have 17.2 and 17.3 on my external hard drive. I think I did get rid of it. I might have done it on my 7 box before it bit the dust. My room
mate told me that Ihad dumped it.  I knew I was coming to windows ten.  So she did tell me I dumped it.  She dumped it when she used a thumb drive that I
had it on.  I do like the voice it now comes with. I hope Luke or someone gives you the link so you can go get your 17.2 or 17.3.  I don’t want it. Is your
xp computer dying? The windows commands are somewhat the same. But it’s a little different from xp.  You wont have outlook express like you do with xp.


Re: SentenceNav addon doesn't work properly in Notepad++

Daniel Damacena
 

The same happens here. In notepad from windows it takes a long time to work too.

Em ter., 23 de jun. de 2020 às 15:27, blago blago via groups.io <blago37=mail.ru@groups.io> escreveu:

Hello! When i press Alt+Up addon don't go to previous sentence. Maybe i should check some settings in notepad++?



--
Daniel Damacena


Re: nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Gene
 

You might be better served to press the down arrow many times rather than holding it down. You may be somehow overloading something and causing a problem. But why are you scrolling? What are you trying to do, skim, find something on the page? It may be that there are much better ways to do what you want to do.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenron
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Hmm I keep thinking something is wrong with nvda because I can't seem
to scroll in firefox. I will scroll and then at will lock and tell me
unknown. Then I will Tab and it will fix itself for a bit.

On 6/23/20, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Thank you, sir.

I will try that.

On 6/23/20, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Hello,
Go to the account manager button, turnoff browse mode, press space and tab
3
times sothat you hear "sign off"

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane
Moruthanyana
Sent: Dienstag, 23. Juni 2020 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Good day gentle people

I trust you are still well and safe from corona.

I am trying.

My experience is that nvda is unresponsive to outlook.com interface.

Does anyone of you have the same experience?

I cannot find the buttons to log out even when I activated the my account
submenu where these buttons are found when using jaws.

What is wrong with nvda?

Please assist.

Furthermore, is there any tutorial on nvda for outlook.com?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Regards
Moruthanyana Wally: SA










--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Why does NVDA default to no Braille?

Gene
 

The easiest way to save settings manually is to use the command control NVDA key c. You will hear an announcement configuration saved, or something very similar.

It is better to turn off automatic saving of settings on exit and save settings manually you intend to keep. What if Windows unexpectedly shuts down when you are trying settings you don't know if you want to save? If you have automatic saving of settings enabled, the settings will be saved, whether you want them to be or not.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel Kacer
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why does NVDA default to no Braille?


Hi, I think the issue is that your NVDA is probably set to not save changes to settings when it shuts down. Whenever you change some settings and you want them to persist in your next session, open nvda menu (NVDA + N), and select the save configuration option (S). Now your settings should be saved. Test this is so by restarting NVDA and checking if everything is all right.

Also, if you want to use narrator, you don't need to quit NVDA. You can turn on sleep mode for your current application by pressing NVDA + shift + S and NVDA will be disabled for that application. Press the keyboard shortcut to toggle off sleep mode.


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
which version of nvda do you use?
the first sentence about nvda 2018.3 is:
automatic detection of many Braille displays.
so, dont worry. nvda supports your braile display i need.
also, you can refer to the nvda user guide to find more informations
about different braile displays.

On 6/23/20, Nightowl <nightowl145@...> wrote:
Hi,

Just joined the group, so excuse me if this question has been asked
before.

The question is: why does NVDA default to no Braille whenever I start
my computer? I have a Freedom Scientific PM 20 Braille display connected
to my pc via USB. What can I do to have NVDA start with Braille?

Also, if I run Narrator with Braille on, then close Narrator to run
NVDA, NVDA also then starts up with no Braille. How can I get NVDA to
start with Braille without having to go into the Braille setting to
change it to my choice of Braille display?

Thank you,
Nightowl.







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Well, I tried it in Google Chrome...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Dienstag, 23. Juni 2020 21:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Hmm I keep thinking something is wrong with nvda because I can't seem to scroll in firefox. I will scroll and then at will lock and tell me unknown. Then I will Tab and it will fix itself for a bit.

On 6/23/20, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Thank you, sir.

I will try that.

On 6/23/20, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Hello,
Go to the account manager button, turnoff browse mode, press space
and tab
3
times sothat you hear "sign off"

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane
Moruthanyana
Sent: Dienstag, 23. Juni 2020 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Good day gentle people

I trust you are still well and safe from corona.

I am trying.

My experience is that nvda is unresponsive to outlook.com interface.

Does anyone of you have the same experience?

I cannot find the buttons to log out even when I activated the my
account submenu where these buttons are found when using jaws.

What is wrong with nvda?

Please assist.

Furthermore, is there any tutorial on nvda for outlook.com?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Regards
Moruthanyana Wally: SA










--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Lenron
 

Hmm I keep thinking something is wrong with nvda because I can't seem
to scroll in firefox. I will scroll and then at will lock and tell me
unknown. Then I will Tab and it will fix itself for a bit.

On 6/23/20, Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Thank you, sir.

I will try that.

On 6/23/20, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Hello,
Go to the account manager button, turnoff browse mode, press space and tab
3
times sothat you hear "sign off"

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane
Moruthanyana
Sent: Dienstag, 23. Juni 2020 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Good day gentle people

I trust you are still well and safe from corona.

I am trying.

My experience is that nvda is unresponsive to outlook.com interface.

Does anyone of you have the same experience?

I cannot find the buttons to log out even when I activated the my account
submenu where these buttons are found when using jaws.

What is wrong with nvda?

Please assist.

Furthermore, is there any tutorial on nvda for outlook.com?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Regards
Moruthanyana Wally: SA









--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Why does NVDA default to no Braille?

Samuel Kacer
 

Hi, I think the issue is that your NVDA is probably set to not save changes to settings when it shuts down. Whenever you change some settings and you want them to persist in your next session, open nvda menu (NVDA + N), and select the save configuration option  (S). Now your settings should be saved. Test this is so by restarting NVDA and checking if everything is all right.

Also, if you want to use narrator, you don't need to quit NVDA. You can turn on sleep mode for your current application by pressing NVDA + shift + S and NVDA will be disabled for that application. Press the keyboard shortcut to toggle off sleep mode.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
which version of nvda do you use?
the first sentence about nvda 2018.3 is:
automatic detection of many Braille displays.
so, dont worry. nvda supports your braile display i need.
also, you can refer to the nvda user guide to find more informations
about different braile displays.

On 6/23/20, Nightowl <nightowl145@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just joined the group, so  excuse me if this question has been asked
> before.
>
> The question is: why does NVDA default to no Braille whenever I start
> my computer? I have a Freedom Scientific PM 20 Braille display connected
> to my pc via USB. What can I do to have NVDA start with Braille?
>
> Also, if I run Narrator with Braille on, then close Narrator to run
> NVDA, NVDA also then starts up with no Braille. How can I get NVDA to
> start with Braille without having to go into the Braille setting to
> change it to my choice of Braille display?
>
> Thank you,
> Nightowl.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




Re: nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Thank you, sir.

I will try that.

On 6/23/20, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Hello,
Go to the account manager button, turnoff browse mode, press space and tab 3
times sothat you hear "sign off"

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane
Moruthanyana
Sent: Dienstag, 23. Juni 2020 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda's unresponsiveness to outlook.com interface

Good day gentle people

I trust you are still well and safe from corona.

I am trying.

My experience is that nvda is unresponsive to outlook.com interface.

Does anyone of you have the same experience?

I cannot find the buttons to log out even when I activated the my account
submenu where these buttons are found when using jaws.

What is wrong with nvda?

Please assist.

Furthermore, is there any tutorial on nvda for outlook.com?

Your assistance is appreciated in advance.

Regards
Moruthanyana Wally: SA








SentenceNav addon doesn't work properly in Notepad++

blago blago
 

Hello! When i press Alt+Up addon don't go to previous sentence. Maybe i should check some settings in notepad++?


Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

Arlene
 

Hey Zarah, I did have 17.2 and 17.3 on my external hard drive. I think I did get rid of it. I might have done it on my 7 box before it bit the dust. My room mate told me that Ihad dumped it.  I knew I was coming to windows ten.  So she did tell me I dumped it.  She dumped it when she used a thumb drive that I had it on.  I do like the voice it now comes with. I hope Luke or someone gives you the link so you can go get your 17.2 or 17.3.  I don’t want it. Is your xp computer dying? The windows commands are somewhat the same. But it’s a little different from xp.  You wont have outlook express like you do with xp. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: June 23, 2020 5:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

 

Luke,

thanks for your helping me.

i sent you email and i waiting for your help off list.

 

On 6/23/20, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

> You may, although since I don't regularly use that old version for other

> than

> testing purposes, I don't know how much help I will be. But you're welcome

> to

> try.

> I will also note, that Espeak has definite issues under Windows 10 and

> 2017.3.

> The longer the text you read, the more harsh and distorted Espeak becomes,

> until

> it reaches some threshold and resets.

> Espeak is definitely not pleasant in that use case. Some people might say it

> never is, but for someone like me who uses and prefers it, under 2017.3 it

> is

> difficult to listen to after a short time.

> But you're welcome to ask your questions.

> Luke

>   On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, zahra wrote:

>> thanks so much for your reply!

>> may i contact you offline and ask some questions in this regard?

>> however, my favorite version of nvda is 2017.2.

>> but espeak in 2017.3 is also good,

>> and there is no difference about espeak between these versions.

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali