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Re: Nvda and Office 2016

 

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 07:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
That's why I usually specify using "restart" as there are so many ways that users can "shut down" a machine that simply puts it into some kind of hibernation or sleep mode.

I, too, have started to take this approach, as it's the only way to ensure that Windows 10 reloads from disc no matter how anything else is configured.
 
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Re: How Do I Stop the NVDA Updater from Monitoring Specific Addons?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I figured out how to stop the Add-on Updater from checking BrowserNav, and Tony's enhancements for updates.


Under NVDA Settings -> Add-on Updater -> Do not Update Add ons [List]. Checked the boxes for the 2 add ons in question and no more false update alert.


On 6/15/2020 5:57 PM, Kenny via groups.io wrote:

I'm using NVDA Version: 2020.1.


I downloaded the files for installing Tony's add-ons directly from his Github page. Not sure if those versions are newer then the one's NVDA are pointing too in the Updater.


They're definitely older for the Browser Nav 1.9 version that the updater wants me to install doesn't have the newly added "Browser Marks" option Tony introduced a few weeks ago. The 1.11 version I have installed does.


Maybe it's just my PC then. I'll just keep closing the add-on updater notice when it pops up. It's just annoying me somewhat.


On 6/15/2020 4:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
You do not mention what version of NVDA you're using.  That matters, as "the newest" is, as far as add-ons go, "the newest compatible with the NVDA you're running."

The Browser Nav page notes that the last version compatible with NVDA 2019.X is Browser Nav version 1.1.   I believe version 1.9 is compatible with 2020.X (even though the actual add-on page for the stable version is still showing several versions back).

The latest stable version of Tony's Enhancements is 1.4, and Add-On Updater does not deal with development versions.  And even the development page for that add-on only has a link to version 1.4.  I can find absolutely no reference to a Version 1.7 being "live" anywhere.

You can always uninstall the add-ons, then manually download and reinstall them.  It could be that will cure the problem going forward.
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Re: Nvda and Office 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

That's why I usually specify using "restart" as there are so many ways that users can "shut down" a machine that simply puts it into some kind of hibernation or sleep mode.


On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:01 PM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
I uninstalled and installed Nvda again.
Something that we tech geeks often advise.  It's probably second after, "Have you power cycled your machine?"  (And these days that question has to take Fast Startup into account, as a shutdown and restart no longer serves the purpose if it's turned on.)
 
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Re: my bluetooth headset doesn't pick up the first little bit of what nvda is saying?

Gene
 

Dropbox won't allow links to be sent for the utility. I may have to send it another way.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my bluetooth headset doesn't pick up the first little bit of what nvda is saying?

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, Norman wrote:

That works. Seems there has to be a better solution though.
There isn't. Bluetooth is not really expected to be used for short bursts of
noise. It is expected (by manufacturers) that it will be used for music, videos,
etc. You don't really care if you miss the first couple ms of a sound, if the
sound is three minutes long.
There probably isn't much content in that first few ms, and you can always
rewind if there is.

They don't expect there to be periodic speech synthesis coming through the
devices.
In the case where they do expect that, such as on a phone call, the phone call
has enough of a natural noise floor to keep the amplification active, so it's
not a problem.

Some manufacturers handle this better than others, but quite many
of them prioritize power savings over that first few ms of sound.

It costs power, and therefore battery life, to keep the audio path open,
amplified, and ready for action at all times.

The only way to fix this problem, is to keep the bluetooth device in an awake
state. The only way you can do that, for these manufacturers which don't use
gate circuits with a fast enough response, or for some other reason take long
enough to power up that you miss words, is to send some constant sound to them.
That's what the Bluetooth Audio add-on does: it sends a noise floor at a high
enough level that the bluetooth device stays active longer, and so you don't
miss any speech.

Don't use it if your tooth device handles speech without difficulty. Do use it
if it doesn't.

Luke


Re: my bluetooth headset doesn't pick up the first little bit of what nvda is saying?

Gene
 

You might be able to keep the headset active if you use a utility called something like Silence. I don't know if you can find it on the Internet, but I'll send a link to it on my Dropbox account. It keeps things active that turn off automatically like some sound cards and some portable speakers. You will have to see if it works with Blue Tooth speakers. I haven't used Blue Tooth Enough to know.

I'll send the link soon.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my bluetooth headset doesn't pick up the first little bit of what nvda is saying?

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, Norman wrote:

That works. Seems there has to be a better solution though.
There isn't. Bluetooth is not really expected to be used for short bursts of
noise. It is expected (by manufacturers) that it will be used for music, videos,
etc. You don't really care if you miss the first couple ms of a sound, if the
sound is three minutes long.
There probably isn't much content in that first few ms, and you can always
rewind if there is.

They don't expect there to be periodic speech synthesis coming through the
devices.
In the case where they do expect that, such as on a phone call, the phone call
has enough of a natural noise floor to keep the amplification active, so it's
not a problem.

Some manufacturers handle this better than others, but quite many
of them prioritize power savings over that first few ms of sound.

It costs power, and therefore battery life, to keep the audio path open,
amplified, and ready for action at all times.

The only way to fix this problem, is to keep the bluetooth device in an awake
state. The only way you can do that, for these manufacturers which don't use
gate circuits with a fast enough response, or for some other reason take long
enough to power up that you miss words, is to send some constant sound to them.
That's what the Bluetooth Audio add-on does: it sends a noise floor at a high
enough level that the bluetooth device stays active longer, and so you don't
miss any speech.

Don't use it if your tooth device handles speech without difficulty. Do use it
if it doesn't.

Luke


Re: Copy value from foreground window

Sam Taylor
 

Hi Edhoari

I'm late to this thread, but the Speech History addon may work for you. It has the ability to move through the buffer of speech items, and copy the last utterance you have heard to the clipboard. I use it constantly and find it a fantastic addition to NVDA.

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/speech_history.en.html

Cheers

Sam



On 16/06/2020 2:18 am, Edhoari Setiyoso wrote:
Hi Zahra,

Thank you for the suggestion.
I've tried it and unfortunately the body of foreground window is not included.

Kind regards

Izahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> writes:

hi.
please nvda t three times quickly.
it copies the title of your desired item to the clipboard.

On 6/13/20, Edhoari Setiyoso <edhoari.s@...> wrote:
Hi group,

Now that I can read the content of foreground window, I need a way to copy
it's value to clipboard.

I can't find any of such command in NVDA user guide.
Can anyone advise me on this one?

Best Regards
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Re: How Do I Stop the NVDA Updater from Monitoring Specific Addons?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I'm using NVDA Version: 2020.1.


I downloaded the files for installing Tony's add-ons directly from his Github page. Not sure if those versions are newer then the one's NVDA are pointing too in the Updater.


They're definitely older for the Browser Nav 1.9 version that the updater wants me to install doesn't have the newly added "Browser Marks" option Tony introduced a few weeks ago. The 1.11 version I have installed does.


Maybe it's just my PC then. I'll just keep closing the add-on updater notice when it pops up. It's just annoying me somewhat.


On 6/15/2020 4:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
You do not mention what version of NVDA you're using.  That matters, as "the newest" is, as far as add-ons go, "the newest compatible with the NVDA you're running."

The Browser Nav page notes that the last version compatible with NVDA 2019.X is Browser Nav version 1.1.   I believe version 1.9 is compatible with 2020.X (even though the actual add-on page for the stable version is still showing several versions back).

The latest stable version of Tony's Enhancements is 1.4, and Add-On Updater does not deal with development versions.  And even the development page for that add-on only has a link to version 1.4.  I can find absolutely no reference to a Version 1.7 being "live" anywhere.

You can always uninstall the add-ons, then manually download and reinstall them.  It could be that will cure the problem going forward.
--

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: my bluetooth headset doesn't pick up the first little bit of what nvda is saying?

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, or there is Silenzio this is a little app that does what the addon for nvda does, but will work with any screen reader.

On 15/06/2020 21:58, Luke Davis wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, Norman wrote:

That works. Seems there has to be a better solution though.
There isn't. Bluetooth is not really expected to be used for short bursts of noise. It is expected (by manufacturers) that it will be used for music, videos, etc. You don't really care if you miss the first couple ms of a sound, if the sound is three minutes long.
There probably isn't much content in that first few ms, and you can always rewind if there is.
They don't expect there to be periodic speech synthesis coming through the devices.
In the case where they do expect that, such as on a phone call, the phone call has enough of a natural noise floor to keep the amplification active, so it's not a problem.
Some manufacturers handle this better than others, but quite many of them prioritize power savings over that first few ms of sound.
It costs power, and therefore battery life, to keep the audio path open, amplified, and ready for action at all times.
The only way to fix this problem, is to keep the bluetooth device in an awake state. The only way you can do that, for these manufacturers which don't use gate circuits with a fast enough response, or for some other reason take long enough to power up that you miss words, is to send some constant sound to them.
That's what the Bluetooth Audio add-on does: it sends a noise floor at a high enough level that the bluetooth device stays active longer, and so you don't miss any speech.
Don't use it if your tooth device handles speech without difficulty. Do use it if it doesn't.
Luke


Re: NVDA and Jabber

Marquette, Ed
 

I should have mentioned I use Jabber 12.6.
The phone works pretty well, but the IM doesn't.
As I and others have mentioned JAWS is so slow that it isn't worth using.
I'll see if I can get 12.8.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Jabber

[ CAUTION - EXTERNAL SENDER ]

Okay, that's good to know. My employer uses it for IM and soft phone, and I've not found that it works all that well.

Thanks,
Ben

On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:21, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

Hmmm what about contacting sisco on this, sisco do run access courses etc so well they are access concious.

They probably will fix this thing.



On 16/06/2020 4:46 am, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
Jabber has been a nightmare to me. I’m glad to know that someone thinks it’s accessible.



On Jun 15, 2020, at 07:23, Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...> wrote:
All:

I know at least one other member of this list is a Jabber user. Jabber, a Cisco softphone product, is really wonderful and is mostly accessible. When office phones are not accessible or only marginally accessible, Jabber really helps, and because it is a Cisco product, the IT departments in large companies do not push back--as they do with programs having less recognized pedigrees. Jabber is even more important now that many, if not most, of us are working primarily from our home offices.
NVDA works quite well with Jabber on 95% of the calling features; however, it does not give the "STATUS" of the person being called, and it does not work well with Jabber's live chat feature.
JAWS handles these features fine, but JAWS is so bloated and so slow that our key application, a document management system, nearly chokes with JAWS running.
Once there was a Jabber add-in for NVDA, but it did not help with the above features.
Any assistance would be appreciated.





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new world virtual mailer

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


I am wondering if some one can tell me the following.


If I go to the following website at http://www.newworld.co.nz then go down to the virtual mailer and press the enter key on it up will come the virtual mailer You might have to jump down to see what is been sold in it.

I am not sure how much focus NVDA gets on it but jumping down by buttons then arr-owing down will get you to it.

Even though NVDA reads out the product when you press the enter key on it to find out more there is like a window that comes up It will tell you the price etc and you can add it to a list but for some reason NVDA does not see this pop up with the information.


yet when I tested the same thing with jaws I picked out a product from the list pressed the enter key on it then I think it is a box come up with information on it and price etc and to add to list.

When I pressed the enter key on the product I think I used the letter H for headings then arrowed down to get more info. But the same process does not work for NVDA.


This is using latest version of google chrome and the latest version of the new edge as well as nvda 2020.1


Could some one put in a ticket for it and or see what is happening.


I downloaded the mailer and I know for a fact that is not accessible to a screen reader user it is just scanned images.



Gene nz


Yet NVDA does not see it. I have tried quite a few ways to bring it up. Could some one try to reproduce the same problem I am guessing this is a bug that will need to be fixed.


Re: Discrepancy Between NVDA and Youtube sounds

Luke Davis
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Why not just enter sndvol in the run dialogue. It is much quicker and has less key strokes. You can even switch play back devices from there via a tool bar
If you're good at remembering commands, that's fine. Heck, you can even create a desktop keyboard shortcut to launch it.

But not everyone is good at commands. Giving a solution that just involves Finding this icon who's name you may not remember but you'll know it when you see it, can be more useful for less experienced users.

Different strokes.

Luke


Re: my bluetooth headset doesn't pick up the first little bit of what nvda is saying?

Luke Davis
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, Norman wrote:

That works. Seems there has to be a better solution though.
There isn't. Bluetooth is not really expected to be used for short bursts of noise. It is expected (by manufacturers) that it will be used for music, videos, etc. You don't really care if you miss the first couple ms of a sound, if the sound is three minutes long.
There probably isn't much content in that first few ms, and you can always rewind if there is.

They don't expect there to be periodic speech synthesis coming through the devices.
In the case where they do expect that, such as on a phone call, the phone call has enough of a natural noise floor to keep the amplification active, so it's not a problem.

Some manufacturers handle this better than others, but quite many of them prioritize power savings over that first few ms of sound.

It costs power, and therefore battery life, to keep the audio path open, amplified, and ready for action at all times.

The only way to fix this problem, is to keep the bluetooth device in an awake state. The only way you can do that, for these manufacturers which don't use gate circuits with a fast enough response, or for some other reason take long enough to power up that you miss words, is to send some constant sound to them.
That's what the Bluetooth Audio add-on does: it sends a noise floor at a high enough level that the bluetooth device stays active longer, and so you don't miss any speech.

Don't use it if your tooth device handles speech without difficulty. Do use it if it doesn't.

Luke


Re: CRM software

Ali Colak
 

I had a question about a similar topic, does anyone know about a CRM
softwhare called VanillaSoft.

On 4/22/19, Guy Schlosser <guyster@...> wrote:
Hi Quinton, salesforce seems to be a common CRM solution that is fairly
accessible. I wish there were a few more hot keys for it, such as keys for
creating cases, verifying accounts and stuff like that, but for the most
part it is pretty accessible. CRM software is one of those things that is
tricky, it depends on how it’s written. For example, when I worked for
frontier, they used a software package called dpi. While you can get around
that software with not too much difficulty, a lot of the controls were not
labeled, so extra steps had to be taken to label the controls so you knew
where you were at. I hope that helps, and if you have any other questions,
please feel free to drop me an email.

Sentu from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2019, at 7:12 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I've had an enquiry about accessible CRM software. I know there are a
range of options out there with different features, but can anyone offer
any advice on solutions which are accessible, please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: How Do I Stop the NVDA Updater from Monitoring Specific Addons?

 

You do not mention what version of NVDA you're using.  That matters, as "the newest" is, as far as add-ons go, "the newest compatible with the NVDA you're running."

The Browser Nav page notes that the last version compatible with NVDA 2019.X is Browser Nav version 1.1.   I believe version 1.9 is compatible with 2020.X (even though the actual add-on page for the stable version is still showing several versions back).

The latest stable version of Tony's Enhancements is 1.4, and Add-On Updater does not deal with development versions.  And even the development page for that add-on only has a link to version 1.4.  I can find absolutely no reference to a Version 1.7 being "live" anywhere.

You can always uninstall the add-ons, then manually download and reinstall them.  It could be that will cure the problem going forward.
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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How Do I Stop the NVDA Updater from Monitoring Specific Addons?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Hello,


I'm noticing the excellent NVDA Add-on Updater doesn't always point to the newest version of specific NVDA add-ons I have installed.


BrowserNav
Current Version: 1.11
New Version: 1.9


Tony's enhancements
Current Version: 1.7
New Version: 1.4

Keep unchecking the box next to the add-ons being referenced, and clicking close, but the Add-on Updater keeps on notifying me there are new updates available which are actually older versions.


Any idea how to stop this? Don't want to uninstall the Add-on updater for it does well with other NVDA add-ons.


Re: NVDA and Jabber

Brian Moore
 

HI.  this is very dependant on which version you have.  12.8 and later are pretty good for accessibility.  However, we use 12.5 and it is very difficult with NVDa.  The jaws scripts work but are so slow as to be almost not worth using.


Brian.

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follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

On 6/15/2020 2:21 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm what about contacting sisco on this, sisco do run access courses etc so well they are access concious.

They probably will fix this thing.



On 16/06/2020 4:46 am, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
Jabber has been a nightmare to me. I’m glad to know that someone thinks it’s accessible.



On Jun 15, 2020, at 07:23, Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...> wrote:

All:

I know at least one other member of this list is a Jabber user.  Jabber, a Cisco softphone product, is really wonderful and is mostly accessible.  When office phones are not accessible or only marginally accessible, Jabber really helps, and because it is a Cisco product, the IT departments in large companies do not push back--as they do with programs having less recognized pedigrees.  Jabber is even more important now that many, if not most, of us are working primarily from our home offices.
NVDA works quite well with Jabber on 95% of the calling features; however, it does not give the "STATUS" of the person being called, and it does not work well with Jabber's live chat feature.
JAWS handles these features fine, but JAWS is so bloated and so slow that our key application, a document management system, nearly chokes with JAWS running.
Once there was a Jabber add-in for NVDA, but it did not help with the above features.
Any assistance would be appreciated.





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Re: NVDA and Jabber

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Okay, that's good to know. My employer uses it for IM and soft phone, and I've not found that it works all that well.

Thanks,
Ben

On Jun 15, 2020, at 11:21, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

Hmmm what about contacting sisco on this, sisco do run access courses etc so well they are access concious.

They probably will fix this thing.



On 16/06/2020 4:46 am, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
Jabber has been a nightmare to me. I’m glad to know that someone thinks it’s accessible.



On Jun 15, 2020, at 07:23, Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...> wrote:
All:

I know at least one other member of this list is a Jabber user. Jabber, a Cisco softphone product, is really wonderful and is mostly accessible. When office phones are not accessible or only marginally accessible, Jabber really helps, and because it is a Cisco product, the IT departments in large companies do not push back--as they do with programs having less recognized pedigrees. Jabber is even more important now that many, if not most, of us are working primarily from our home offices.
NVDA works quite well with Jabber on 95% of the calling features; however, it does not give the "STATUS" of the person being called, and it does not work well with Jabber's live chat feature.
JAWS handles these features fine, but JAWS is so bloated and so slow that our key application, a document management system, nearly chokes with JAWS running.
Once there was a Jabber add-in for NVDA, but it did not help with the above features.
Any assistance would be appreciated.





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Re: NVDA and Jabber

 

Hmmm what about contacting sisco on this, sisco do run access courses etc so well they are access concious.

They probably will fix this thing.

On 16/06/2020 4:46 am, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
Jabber has been a nightmare to me. I’m glad to know that someone thinks it’s accessible.



On Jun 15, 2020, at 07:23, Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...> wrote:

All:

I know at least one other member of this list is a Jabber user. Jabber, a Cisco softphone product, is really wonderful and is mostly accessible. When office phones are not accessible or only marginally accessible, Jabber really helps, and because it is a Cisco product, the IT departments in large companies do not push back--as they do with programs having less recognized pedigrees. Jabber is even more important now that many, if not most, of us are working primarily from our home offices.
NVDA works quite well with Jabber on 95% of the calling features; however, it does not give the "STATUS" of the person being called, and it does not work well with Jabber's live chat feature.
JAWS handles these features fine, but JAWS is so bloated and so slow that our key application, a document management system, nearly chokes with JAWS running.
Once there was a Jabber add-in for NVDA, but it did not help with the above features.
Any assistance would be appreciated.





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Re: Can NVDA has a function to detect hotkey conflict when installing addon

 

Hi all,

This was discussed before:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7074

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: about audio related issue on bluetooth headset

Tony Malykh
 

Yes, this strongly suggests that you have some weird configuration of your audio devices. Youtube sound must be going to another audio device. VLC must be hijacking your audio by switching your bluetooth device into headset mode. Probably your bluetooth dongle creates multiple audio devices and that confuses NVDA and all the other apps that try to play sound.

On 6/14/2020 12:40 PM, Meet modi wrote:
i am using VLC media player, also try to play from youtube but not get sound.