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Re: Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

OK. How can I get to a new menu when NVDA is acting this way? I can't seem to bring up anything when NVDA is in this mode. For example, it ignore Insert + N, or even Insert + Q.

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Yes sometimes it seems that nvda is reading an old buffer. I seem to think some recent work is going on in this regard actually, but normally, simply bringing up a menu, then cancelling it will wake up the new buffer. I'm not sure why this sometimes happens but suspect nvda is reading a large amount of text its already buffered for reading and has missed the fact that the text has gone as this is in the web page buffer, not the nvda speech one.
As for announcing about emails coming in, this is what segregated people might see in the tray or via a balloon or whatever alert type is used. I suspect that this can be turned off in two ways, You can do it globally in the settings of nvda, which in my view is dangerous, or in the software that is sending them, ie do not put alerts in ... add where according to the software here!

Dropbox is always doing this as its active all the time and if you have shared folders when somebody changes something on one of those you get an alert about it.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA


Hello,

Is there anyway to stop NVDA from start announcing my emails when I am
viewing a web page?
Also, when I switch to another web page, it still keep reading out the
contents of the previous web page. What do I need to do to get NVDA to
cancel the old context and switch to the new context?

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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

 

Hi,

The materials are:

 

Although both materials are a bit out of date, most of what NV Access and I will teach you applies to latest NVDA release (2018.3.2).

 

P.S. A repeat of a call I made a few months ago: for anyone wishing to produce the fourth edition of Welcome to NVDA (perhaps in late 2019), I advise start planning it right now so you can get a head start on that project. The fourth edition must go over redesigned NVDA Settings interface, as this alone will take a while to produce. The next one is the fourth edition because the one I just linked to is the third version (I produced these tutorials in 2013 and 2015, which also answers the question from another list member: I’ve been using NVDA full-time since 2012, although I was introduced to it way back in January 2008).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 9:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA

 

I would love that. Please send me a link to your instructions.

 

Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Company

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA

 

[EXTERNAL]

 

Hi Rechelle,

Control key stops speaking altogether. In this situation, either move to another place, perform some reading commands, or do something else that causes NvDA to speak.

P.S. I highly recommend studying and listening to tutorials made by NV Access and me, as our materials will teach you all there is to it when it comes to using NVDA (including some advanced concepts).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA

 

Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can I get it to resume reading when I am ready?

 


 

 

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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

Brice Mijares
 

To resume, NVDA key down arrow.

On 10/22/2018 8:51 AM, Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io wrote:
Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can I get it to resume reading when I am ready?
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Re: Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

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Yes sometimes it seems that nvda is reading an old buffer. I seem to think some recent work is going on in this regard actually, but normally, simply bringing up a menu, then cancelling it will wake up the new buffer. I'm not sure why this sometimes happens but suspect nvda is reading a large amount of text its already buffered for reading and has missed the fact that the text has gone as this is in the web page buffer, not the nvda speech one.
As for announcing about emails coming in, this is what segregated people might see in the tray or via a balloon or whatever alert type is used. I suspect that this can be turned off in two ways, You can do it globally in the settings of nvda, which in my view is dangerous, or in the software that is sending them, ie do not put alerts in ... add where according to the software here!

Dropbox is always doing this as its active all the time and if you have shared folders when somebody changes something on one of those you get an alert about it.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA


Hello,

Is there anyway to stop NVDA from start announcing my emails when I am viewing a web page?
Also, when I switch to another web page, it still keep reading out the contents of the previous web page. What do I need to do to get NVDA to cancel the old context and switch to the new context?

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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes and also read in the user guide what the controls do, it can save a lot of messing about.
Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA


Hi Rechelle,

Control key stops speaking altogether. In this situation, either move to
another place, perform some reading commands, or do something else that
causes NvDA to speak.

P.S. I highly recommend studying and listening to tutorials made by NV
Access and me, as our materials will teach you all there is to it when it
comes to using NVDA (including some advanced concepts).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:52 AM
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Subject: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA



Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can I get
it to resume reading when I am ready?



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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

I would love that. Please send me a link to your instructions.

 

Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Company

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA

 

[EXTERNAL]

 

Hi Rechelle,

Control key stops speaking altogether. In this situation, either move to another place, perform some reading commands, or do something else that causes NvDA to speak.

P.S. I highly recommend studying and listening to tutorials made by NV Access and me, as our materials will teach you all there is to it when it comes to using NVDA (including some advanced concepts).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA

 

Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can I get it to resume reading when I am ready?

 


 

 

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Re: How to Re-start NVDA

 

Hi Rechelle,

Control key stops speaking altogether. In this situation, either move to another place, perform some reading commands, or do something else that causes NvDA to speak.

P.S. I highly recommend studying and listening to tutorials made by NV Access and me, as our materials will teach you all there is to it when it comes to using NVDA (including some advanced concepts).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to Re-start NVDA

 

Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can I get it to resume reading when I am ready?

 


 

 

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How to Re-start NVDA

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

Suppose I stop the voice on NVDA by pressing the Control Key. How can I get it to resume reading when I am ready?

 


 


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Sometimes I Can't Stop NVDA

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

Hello,

 

Is there anyway to stop NVDA from start announcing my emails when I am viewing a web page?

Also, when I switch to another web page, it still keep reading out the contents of the previous web page. What do I need to do to get NVDA to cancel the old context and switch to the new context?


 


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Re: Question on settings

Tyler Wood
 

Similar here.

Having one more object to carry around is a pain to me, so my recommendation is to get comfortable with what works for *you*.



On 2018-10-22 10:39 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I'm using laptop layout and do not have this issue by the way. It reads what it is supposed to in regard to line and in any document.

On 21 Oct 2018, at 15:12, Gene wrote:

I just saw Joseph Lee's message and I see that if you are using laptop layout, nvda key up arrow does what you are experiencing.  If you are using laptop layout and you have a keyboard with a numpad, switch to the desktop layout.  I don't like the laptop layout.  it isn't consistent.  If you are using a computer without a numpad, I think it is a much better idea to get a USB numpad. and use the desktop layout. 
 
Whatever you do, I think using numpad 8 is a much more convenient command.  if you are in object navigation mode, it does the same thing and only requires one hand and one finger.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

Hi,

Okay, what is the NVDA keyboard layout you’ve got? To check this, press Control+NVDA+K and tell us which layout is currently selected.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

 

Gene, I’m in object review mode. If I’m reading a MS word document, NVDA/up arrow reads the line before the line that my cursor is on.

Didn’t used to do that. I had to recently reinstall Windows 10 and NVDA. Problem started happening after reinstallation. Suggestions?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



Re: Question on settings

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm using laptop layout and do not have this issue by the way. It reads what it is supposed to in regard to line and in any document.

On 21 Oct 2018, at 15:12, Gene wrote:

I just saw Joseph Lee's message and I see that if you are using laptop layout, nvda key up arrow does what you are experiencing.  If you are using laptop layout and you have a keyboard with a numpad, switch to the desktop layout.  I don't like the laptop layout.  it isn't consistent.  If you are using a computer without a numpad, I think it is a much better idea to get a USB numpad. and use the desktop layout. 
 
Whatever you do, I think using numpad 8 is a much more convenient command.  if you are in object navigation mode, it does the same thing and only requires one hand and one finger.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

Hi,

Okay, what is the NVDA keyboard layout you’ve got? To check this, press Control+NVDA+K and tell us which layout is currently selected.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question on settings

 

Gene, I’m in object review mode. If I’m reading a MS word document, NVDA/up arrow reads the line before the line that my cursor is on.

Didn’t used to do that. I had to recently reinstall Windows 10 and NVDA. Problem started happening after reinstallation. Suggestions?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


nvda and brailledisplays

Joe Paton
 

Good Afternoon

I have an optilec alva b6080 display.

It does not appear in the list of braille displays, although there is obviously the automatic detection option.

Is there a generic driver for the optilec? or, must a ticket be raised so that a driver can be built for the future?

I don't need access to this display immediately, but some time next year, 2019 would be nice.
Many thanks.


Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA

Mary Otten
 

Thanks, Quentin, for answering the question. I didn’t send the sheet I have a long, because it’s not something that I personally have control of. It’s an organization who owns the sheet. So I didn’t feel right about just sending it out since it’s financial. With regard to the question of what should be overwritten or not, it seems to me that if this color convention is well-established, any sighted person using the sheet is going to know that red means negative. Therefore, the important information is not the color it’s the state of the number. So it should be overwritten. What you want is the message conveyed by the color, not just knowledge of the color. As a blind person, you might not know that red  means negative, so you might not get the message. It would be like those talking signals they have where it says the walk sign is on. It doesn’t say the green light is on. I suppose most everybody knows that a green light means walk. But they convey the message about walking, rather than the fact that the light is green or that the little stick figure is on or whatever the picture is. Another example is the dots which means that there is a dialog box. Some screen readers like Jaws used to say…. Others would say opens a dialogue or has dialogue. I think the ones who say opens or has dialogue got it right, and the ones who say… Didn’t get it right. Why on earth would I necessarily know or need to know that… Means there’s a dialogue that will open if you click this.

Mary



On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

I did also reply to Brian's other thread on this topic, and while I'm just personally interested in the discussion, I realised no-one has actually answered Mary's original question yet.  While you can't specifically have NVDA decode negative numbers which aren't formatted as such, you can have NVDA report when the font colour changes.  This would be most useful where you spreadsheet contains say all black text except for negative numbers.  To do that, press NVDA+CONTROL+D to open the document formatting options, then press alt+c to jump to "colour".  Press spacebar to toggle whether that is checked (you want it checked to report colour changes), and press ENTER to close the settings.  Now when you get to a negative number, NVDA should report it as "bright red".

As for why it is reported as "bright red 18.00" and not "-18.00", basically, that's what the person who setup the spreadsheet told Excel to tell us.  A sighted user on the same sheet doesn't see "-18.00", they see "18.00" in bright red, and interpret that to mean -18.  In the same way if the actual contents of the cell are "=A1-B1" they see the number, not the formula, unless you press CONTROL+` to toggle displaying formulas instead of values.

I can see Brian's argument for overriding the specified formatting here, but would have to then ask back - in which cases should we override what the creator of the spreadsheet has deliberately setup, and in which cases should we defer to what they wanted?

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 4:20 PM Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Can someone share a sample sheet with this kind of formatting?

Pranav






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Re: Sluggish browse mode keystrokes in Google Chrome

Jonathan COHN
 

I know that your example of Gmail was just an example, but I generally find that the built-in keystorkes that Gmail provides are significantly faster to navigate mail with than using the screen reader functionality.

Essentially, one can open a thread with "o" close a thread with "u", browse through the list of threads with "j" and "k" and navigate individual messages in a thread with "n" and "p".

Of course they also have keystrokes for replying, forwarding, deleting, archiving, and ignore thread.

Take care,

Jonathan


On 10/21/18, 5:52 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Tony Malykh" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of anton.malykh@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all

I have been noticing lately that many browse mode shortcuts are
sluggish in Google Chrome, especially on large web pages. Let me try
to explain what I mean with an example.

Suppose I open a large email thread (say 20 replies) in gmail in
Google Chrome. If I press H and then K, my cursor is supposed to find
the next heading, and then find the next link after that heading and
stop there. However, if I press them quickly one after the other, then
the after finding that link the cursor would jump back to the previous
heading as if I had pressed Shift+H afterwards. In other words, the
cursor would frirst find the heading, then jump to the next link, and
then it would mysteriously jump back to that heading again, all within
a short time, like within a second. I mentioned H and K just an
example - it seems that this issue can be reproduced with almost any
two browse mode commands, such as F, E, G, and so on.

Has anyone been aware of this issue? Are there any known workarounds?
One obvious workaround is for me to wait after every single browse
mode keystroke, but that would make using Chrome too anoying - I would
have to wait for about a second after pressing any browse mode
keystroke.

Actually I could reproduce this issue on the other browsers too -
Firefox and IE, although on a much lesser scale. In both Firefox and
IE you need to press these keystroeks really quickly together (maybe
less than 0.1 seconds apart to reproduce it, which probably wouldn't
affect anyone. This bug is only bothersome in Chrome.

I'm using the latest NVDA 2018.3.2 and the latest Windows 10. I have a
modern laptop, so this is not an issue of running out of CPU or
memory. I don't have too many tabs open and I don't have other
programs running.

Best regards
Tony


Re: NVDA and VirtualBox

Jonathan COHN
 

At what point in using NVDA are you experiencing issues? Once a Virtual Environment is active all user interaction is usually expected to be controlled by the remote environment. Also, have you checked to see if NVDA is in sleep mode? It is possible thatsleep mode should be enabled when the window containing the virtual environment is active, but in fact all virtual box windows are causing the local NVDA to sleep.

Jonathan Cohn

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Kelly <kelly@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 4:35 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and VirtualBox

 

Hi,

 

I recently tried NVDA with VirtualBox and found that the NVDA keyboard commands simply quit working.  Browsing the NVDA issue tracker, the closest issue match I found talked about VirtualBox crashing with NVDA back in 2015.  See https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4795.

 

I’m not finding things crashing at this point but NVDA doesn’t read anything as I tab and again all the keyboard commands quit working.

 

The earlier issue was closed as a VirtualBox issue.  My guess would be this experience I’m having is likely still from the same issues as caused the first to be closed.

 

What are the experiences of others here if you have tried VirtualBox lately?

 

Kelly


Re: winamp is on ninite

 

I wrote to the folks at Ninite letting them know that winamp is accessible and, thus, should be added to their accessible programs page. It was not under the media category when I looked early this morning. For anyone else, their accessible page is below.

https://ninite.com/accessible


Re: discord accessibility

 

Why develop an add on when built in accessibility is better? The developers are slowly, and I do mean slowly, working on accessibility fixes for screen readers. Contact them and let them know. An add-on can't be created from a totally inaccessible program, one NVDA can't even read. The tweet is below.

https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/867855637736116225?lang=en


Re: OCR programs

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Fully agree, I’m still running Finereader 9 pro on Win10 64bit and I bought it years ago as a used product on ebay for $20 US.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Montag, 22. Oktober 2018 14:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR programs

 

Have you seen any meaningful or even minor improvements in OCR quality for quite sometime when you upgrade?  I haven't followed this for a number of years but when I did follow it, it seemed that little or no meaningful improvement occurred for years starting perhaps seven or eight or ten years ago.  At some point, meaningful improvements in OCR will occur but I doubt any have, at least regarding Fine Reader and Kurzweil for quite some time.  Open book is very seldom upgraded so, though no meaningful OCR improvements may be made, it may not matter since they are so infrequent.  But you still might want to try a demo before upgrading with any of these programs.

 

People shouldn't reflexively assume that upgrades will benefit them.  There are programs that should be upgraded for security reasons and programs that may add and improve features but if you don't use those features, it doesn't matter.

 

So, while Kurzweil, for example, may add or improve a feature, do you use it and is its main purpose, OCR, any better?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 6:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR programs

 

Is one or other of these easier or more convenient for a blind user wanting to scan and read mail like bills and bank statements?


As convenient as K100 is, it is getting expensive, even the upgrades here in Canada have become rediculous.

Thanks.

Cheers.

Dale Leavens
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
>
> FineReader, from Abbyy, and OmniPage, from Nuance, are the two best OCR in the world...
>
> Which is the best? Maybe anyone knows... Both are very, very good!
>
> Rui Fontes
>
>
> Às 04:03 de 22/10/2018, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
>> hi all,
>> Is finereader the best OCR package available? Or are there better ones?
>
>
>



Re: Free Spanish Plugins

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

Hello,

 

Once I do that it only gives me keyboard-related option to edit – nothing for voices.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 7:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free Spanish Plugins

 

[EXTERNAL]

 

you have to press windows+i for settings, press tab, go down ... or right, to time and language, hit enter, press tab back to the list view, down to language, hit enter, tab to add language, hit enter, choose spanish, perhaps hit enter or then tab to add. well most of the steps i gave are correct for windows10.


 


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Re: OCR programs

Gene
 

Have you seen any meaningful or even minor improvements in OCR quality for quite sometime when you upgrade?  I haven't followed this for a number of years but when I did follow it, it seemed that little or no meaningful improvement occurred for years starting perhaps seven or eight or ten years ago.  At some point, meaningful improvements in OCR will occur but I doubt any have, at least regarding Fine Reader and Kurzweil for quite some time.  Open book is very seldom upgraded so, though no meaningful OCR improvements may be made, it may not matter since they are so infrequent.  But you still might want to try a demo before upgrading with any of these programs.
 
People shouldn't reflexively assume that upgrades will benefit them.  There are programs that should be upgraded for security reasons and programs that may add and improve features but if you don't use those features, it doesn't matter.
 
So, while Kurzweil, for example, may add or improve a feature, do you use it and is its main purpose, OCR, any better?
Gene

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR programs

Is one or other of these easier or more convenient for a blind user wanting to scan and read mail like bills and bank statements?


As convenient as K100 is, it is getting expensive, even the upgrades here in Canada have become rediculous.

Thanks.

Cheers.

Dale Leavens
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
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> FineReader, from Abbyy, and OmniPage, from Nuance, are the two best OCR in the world...
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> Which is the best? Maybe anyone knows... Both are very, very good!
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> Rui Fontes
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> Às 04:03 de 22/10/2018, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
>> hi all,
>> Is finereader the best OCR package available? Or are there better ones?
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