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Re: strange little problem using nvda help and whats new.

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, thanks for this will do it but just got rid of firefox.

On 16/07/2020 18:56, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote:
Hello.
You need to configure Edge for open files *.htm and *.html.
Regards.
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.
Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.
El mié., 15 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 15:49, Kevin Cussick via groups.io <http://groups.io> (the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io <mailto:googlemail.com@groups.io>) escribió:
Hi all,   I have MS edge as the default browser,   but each time I hit
nvda h then the letter n for WATS new firefox opens why? and Yes it is
set to edge as default.


Re: office 2019 word and nvda

 

Hi all,
Based on the log posted by Luke, it appears NVDA is trying to obtain
information from a control that no longer exists (according to accessibility
API's) or something is grabbing NVDA's attention too long.
Technical: I think there is a thread deadlock somewhere. The log fragment in
question (see the GitHub issue Luke created) mostly points to threads trying
to wait for something from its processing queue. This is evidenced by the
fact that multiple threads are waiting for a response from a "dead" UIA
element in regards to supported properties.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office 2019 word and nvda

I have created an issue for this. If it is happening to you and you want it
fixed, please post a comment and possibly more information on this issue:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11391

Luke


Re: office 2019 word and nvda

Luke Davis
 

Especially make sure you list your NVDA version, Office version, and Windows version.

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Luke Davis wrote:

I have created an issue for this. If it is happening to you and you want it fixed, please post a comment and possibly more information on this issue:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11391


Re: office 2019 word and nvda

Luke Davis
 

I have created an issue for this. If it is happening to you and you want it fixed, please post a comment and possibly more information on this issue:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11391

Luke


Re: office 2019 word and nvda

Luke Davis
 

Can you test whether this only happens if you use the keyboard shortcut letter, or also if you use the button directly?

For example:

Start Word.
Press enter to open a new document.
Enter some text.
Press alt+F4 to exit.

If you press "n" at this point, I assume you get the freeze. I know I do.

However if you do all of that again, but instead of pressing "n" you tab to "Don't save" and press enter, do you get the same freeze? I don't.

I can not replicate the part about NVDA not reading the search box properly. Try a Com Registration Fix for that, and also possibly try running with add-ons disabled.

Thanks

Luke

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I have not got a log for this but it happens every time I open office 2019 and then after closing it.

Nvda will stop responding for 10 seconds like look as if it just died but will eventually come back.


Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites

Gene
 

My last and proper correction. I should have said numpad slash wherever I said numpad star or asterisk. So the sequence is:
Numpad enter numpad slash, followed by just numpad slash.

I'm sorry about the errors.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites

I made an error in the message quoted below. Where I said to use numpad
star, I meant to say numpad asterisk.

To clarify, the command to move the cursor to the navigator position, in
this case to the control, is num;pad enter, numpad asterisk.
The left mouse click is just num;pad asterisk.
So the sequence would be numpad enter, numpad asterisk, followed by just
num;pad asterisk.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites

Another way that may work is to move the mouse to the control and clicking
it. If the person is using the desktop layout, do the following:
Be on the control.
Issue the command numpad enter numpad star. That is, hold numpad enter,
then press star.
That moves the mouse to the control.
Click the mouse using just the star key.
So the seaquence is num;pad insert num;pad star, then star.

If that doesn't work, be on the control, turn off Browse Mode, then press
the space bar on the button. If it’s a link, try enter.

Also, some links may not work unless you move beyond the first letter of it.
While in browse mode, right arrow once past the first letter, then try
enter.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites

Hi all

Is there any solution for links and buttons that doesn't react to the
enter key on certain websites? Pressing the NVDA key and slash on the
keypad doesn't work either. A friend of mine started at a new job and
this presents a major problem for him.


Hettie



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Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Scott Berry
 

Gene,


I am not taking that for granted.  I just wanted to moreless let people know my experience.  It works fine in Jaws so that's what aI use for it.

On 7/16/2020 12:21 PM, Gene wrote:
It depends. Years ago, Avast wasn't accessible with screen-readers.  In order to allow information to reach JAWS from Avast, the developers explicitly told Avast to let JAWS see the information.  Without that explicit exception, allowing information to reach the screen-reader was stopped by the self defense system of NVDA.

I'm not saying the same situation exists today, but it can't be assumed that because an antivirus program works with one screen-reader that it will work with others.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

It does work with JAWS and there is really no reason why it couldn't
work with NVDA.



On 7/16/2020 7:11 AM, Gene wrote:
That's not surprising.  Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't work with screen-readers.  It may work with JAWS; you might want to try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.

If you are using Windows 10, Windows Defender is highly rated and well thought of.  If Malware Bytes is still accessible, you may want to use that as well.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Hello there,


It looks as though the new McAffee antivirus doesn't work with N'Vda.
It simply says:  "Chrome:  Cannot read old Chrome."










Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites

Gene
 

I made an error in the message quoted below. Where I said to use numpad star, I meant to say numpad asterisk.

To clarify, the command to move the cursor to the navigator position, in this case to the control, is num;pad enter, numpad asterisk.
The left mouse click is just num;pad asterisk.
So the sequence would be numpad enter, numpad asterisk, followed by just num;pad asterisk.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites

Another way that may work is to move the mouse to the control and clicking
it. If the person is using the desktop layout, do the following:
Be on the control.
Issue the command numpad enter numpad star. That is, hold numpad enter,
then press star.
That moves the mouse to the control.
Click the mouse using just the star key.
So the seaquence is num;pad insert num;pad star, then star.

If that doesn't work, be on the control, turn off Browse Mode, then press
the space bar on the button. If it’s a link, try enter.

Also, some links may not work unless you move beyond the first letter of it.
While in browse mode, right arrow once past the first letter, then try
enter.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites

Hi all

Is there any solution for links and buttons that doesn't react to the
enter key on certain websites? Pressing the NVDA key and slash on the
keypad doesn't work either. A friend of mine started at a new job and
this presents a major problem for him.


Hettie



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Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites

Luke Davis
 

I have seen the advice on github, to try control+enter, and shift+enter in some web browser contexts where enter and space fail.

This advice was already given, but I think it should be reiterated: it is sometimes necessary to move the cursor into a control before enter or space will work. In other words, if the button was called "play", it may only become pressable when you use the right arrow to get to the "l". That is dependent on various settings I believe, although I haven't dug deeply into it.

Also, object nav can sometimes be useful for these situations.

Lastly, changing browsers may help. For example, buttons on icloud.com are totally unusable in Firefox with NVDA, while they work fine in any Chromium based browser such as Brave.

Luke

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Hettie wrote:

Is there any solution for links and buttons that doesn't react to the enter key on certain websites? Pressing the NVDA key and slash on the keypad doesn't work either. A friend of mine started at a new job and this presents a major problem for him.


Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites

Gene
 

The person didn't make any such qualifications. The question was how to deal with links and buttons that don't work with either enter or NVDA backslash. See the message last in this thread.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Laughing Thunder
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites

Perhaps, but it sounds like the original poster was talking about elements that don’t even work or identify themselves as buttons at all. For those you have to use the mouse to interact with them.
On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@...> wrote:

Hi,

what about using focus mode?

I encounter this issue in the backend of a cms that I use every day. Usually, to solve this problem, I press nvda+spacebar then I tab to the required button and I press enter.

For me it works.

Hth.

Bye.

Gigi

Il 16/07/2020 12.44, Hettie ha scritto:
Hi all

Is there any solution for links and buttons that doesn't react to the enter key on certain websites? Pressing the NVDA key and slash on the keypad doesn't work either. A friend of mine started at a new job and this presents a major problem for him.


Hettie




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Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Gene
 

I should add that since this was done, Avast has become less accessible and I don't think it is sufficiently accessible to be used with any screen-reader.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

It does work with JAWS and there is really no reason why it couldn't
work with NVDA.



On 7/16/2020 7:11 AM, Gene wrote:
That's not surprising. Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't work with screen-readers. It may work with JAWS; you might want to try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.

If you are using Windows 10, Windows Defender is highly rated and well thought of. If Malware Bytes is still accessible, you may want to use that as well.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Hello there,


It looks as though the new McAffee antivirus doesn't work with N'Vda.
It simply says: "Chrome: Cannot read old Chrome."







Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Gene
 

It depends. Years ago, Avast wasn't accessible with screen-readers. In order to allow information to reach JAWS from Avast, the developers explicitly told Avast to let JAWS see the information. Without that explicit exception, allowing information to reach the screen-reader was stopped by the self defense system of NVDA.

I'm not saying the same situation exists today, but it can't be assumed that because an antivirus program works with one screen-reader that it will work with others.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

It does work with JAWS and there is really no reason why it couldn't
work with NVDA.



On 7/16/2020 7:11 AM, Gene wrote:
That's not surprising. Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't work with screen-readers. It may work with JAWS; you might want to try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.

If you are using Windows 10, Windows Defender is highly rated and well thought of. If Malware Bytes is still accessible, you may want to use that as well.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA

Hello there,


It looks as though the new McAffee antivirus doesn't work with N'Vda.
It simply says: "Chrome: Cannot read old Chrome."







Re: strange little problem using nvda help and whats new.

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hello.
You need to configure Edge for open files *.htm and *.html.
Regards.
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.



El mié., 15 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 15:49, Kevin Cussick via groups.io (the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io) escribió:
Hi all,   I have MS edge as the default browser,   but each time I hit
nvda h then the letter n for WATS new firefox opens why? and Yes it is
set to edge as default.




Re: office 2019 word and nvda

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hello.
I use Office 2019 and I no have this problem.
Well, if the problem is also with others screen readers, somme update of Office 2019 have a bug.
A possible solution is open a program of Office (Word, Excel for example), go to the tab account and install updates.
But is possible that the cause is other.
Regards.

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.



El jue., 16 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 10:50, Laughing Thunder (laughingthunder26@...) escribió:
Yep! It’s definitely an issue. I’ve had it happen several times already, and I have someone at work who uses Jaws  and reports the same issue as well.
> On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I have not got a log for this but it happens every time I open office 2019 and then after closing it.
>
> Nvda will stop responding for 10 seconds like look as if it just died but will eventually come back.
>
> After that, nvda will not read the search box in windows properly in the start menu till I restart nvda.
>
> I am not an office user though just an admin for a few systems with it.
>
> Its happened on a couple systems and now another user on another list I am on reports this.
>
> So I think it can be reproduced.
>
>
> I have yet to look for a log, but since its happened on 3 other occasions I thought I'd ask here and see if someone else can confirm it for me and either get me to report it or set the ticket.
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites

 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 01:21 PM, Laughing Thunder wrote:
but it sounds like the original poster was talking about elements that don’t even work or identify themselves as buttons at all.
-
What follows is not a criticism of you, but a general observation:  This why I ask, again and again, for URLs to be provided if at all possible.

Educated conjecture is indeed valuable, but it is still no substitute for having an actual example to attempt to work with as far as determining what is actually happening, and that's the thing no one participating on this topic knows, including me.

It is exceptionally difficult to give focused, accurate advice based on an abstract example that has uncertain behavior occurring.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites

Laughing Thunder
 

Perhaps, but it sounds like the original poster was talking about elements that don’t even work or identify themselves as buttons at all. For those you have to use the mouse to interact with them.

On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@...> wrote:

Hi,

what about using focus mode?

I encounter this issue in the backend of a cms that I use every day. Usually, to solve this problem, I press nvda+spacebar then I tab to the required button and I press enter.

For me it works.

Hth.

Bye.

Gigi

Il 16/07/2020 12.44, Hettie ha scritto:
Hi all

Is there any solution for links and buttons that doesn't react to the enter key on certain websites? Pressing the NVDA key and slash on the keypad doesn't work either. A friend of mine started at a new job and this presents a major problem for him.


Hettie



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Re: NVDA does not react when pressing ctrl+alt+delete

Laughing Thunder
 

Use the button to copy your current configuration to the logon screen in the general category of the NVDA settings. That should get it working. NVDA uses a completely different configuration on the login and control alt delete screens.


On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...> wrote:



Thanks Brian!

I managed now to make NVDA reacting in security fields. How can I make Braille work ther, too?

Greetings

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

Von: Brian Vogel
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2020 19:13
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not react when pressing ctrl+alt+delete

 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Cristina Ebetiuc wrote:

I have activated that but somehow it does not work. Why?

I presume you mean you have managed to bring up Task Manager, but it's not behaving as expected.  There were some significant changes in Task Manager with the introduction of Windows 10, and there is a lot of material on the group archive here, as well as the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users archive, about dealing with Task Manager under Windows 10.

Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Searching the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group Archive
 
If by "does not work" you mean that Task Manager is not appearing, then, please, try the alternate invocation shortcut, CTRL+SHIFT+ESC that was offered by Gene.  It is highly unlikely that it would not work to bring up Task Manager if CTRL+ALT+DEL is not working.

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Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites

Gianluigi Coppelletti
 

Hi,

what about using focus mode?

I encounter this issue in the backend of a cms that I use every day. Usually, to solve this problem, I press nvda+spacebar then I tab to the required button and I press enter.

For me it works.

Hth.

Bye.

Gigi

Il 16/07/2020 12.44, Hettie ha scritto:
Hi all

Is there any solution for links and buttons that doesn't react to the enter key on certain websites? Pressing the NVDA key and slash on the keypad doesn't work either. A friend of mine started at a new job and this presents a major problem for him.


Hettie



Re: NVDA does not react when pressing ctrl+alt+delete

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Thanks Brian!

I managed now to make NVDA reacting in security fields. How can I make Braille work ther, too?

Greetings

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

Von: Brian Vogel
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2020 19:13
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not react when pressing ctrl+alt+delete

 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Cristina Ebetiuc wrote:

I have activated that but somehow it does not work. Why?

I presume you mean you have managed to bring up Task Manager, but it's not behaving as expected.  There were some significant changes in Task Manager with the introduction of Windows 10, and there is a lot of material on the group archive here, as well as the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users archive, about dealing with Task Manager under Windows 10.

Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Searching the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group Archive
 
If by "does not work" you mean that Task Manager is not appearing, then, please, try the alternate invocation shortcut, CTRL+SHIFT+ESC that was offered by Gene.  It is highly unlikely that it would not work to bring up Task Manager if CTRL+ALT+DEL is not working.

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Re: NVDA does not react when pressing ctrl+alt+delete

Laughing Thunder
 

If NVDA is installed on the computer, you need to enable the option to use NVDA on the windows logon screen first. if you are using a portable copy and you can’t install it to the computer, then you don’t have this option available to you.


On Jul 16, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...> wrote:



Hello!

NVDA does not react when I press ctrl+alt+delete to see the taskmanage, and other Options. Is ther a solving?

Thanks and greetings

 

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