Date   

2020-2 rc1

Don H
 

I installed NVDA 2020.2 RC1 on my win 10 2004 laptop.

I have found that on certain web sites using Google Chrome as my browser that the arrow keys don't work as they should to read the web page.  Also on such things as my download folder and document folder it would appear that the folders are empty as you can not use the arrow keys to go down the list of items.  Sighted help says that the list of items shows on the screen but again NVDA will not read them.  Closing the folder and reopenning it may or not get the list to read as it should.


Re: office 2019 word and nvda

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

Hello!
I have also submitted a reply on the Issues page and updated my office365 to the latest version.


NVDA issues with edit fields, links and buttons

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Hello!

When I come to some edit fields NVDA blockes. tab or shift+tab don*t work. And sometimes NVDA can’t fokus on the links or Buttons. I have to click with the routingskeys in order to open links. And NVDA can’t handle menu Buttons. What can I do?

Greetings

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


objectnavigation and drag and drop with NVDA

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Hello!

Could you explain me the difference between drag and drop and the copy paste process? And can you also reexplain me what actually the object Navigation and the objects in NVDA are? Thanks in Advance and greetings

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Re: my github issue solved

Sean
 

I did not understand your problem with GitHub.

If Git is installed on your Windows, you can clone projects with their URLs.
If you think you can't find the items you want in the interface, try pressing Win+up arrow in Chrome-based browsers.
This sometimes optimizes screen resolution well. For example, some sites may have menus off.
Some sites optimize the visual UI based on screen size and resolution.

On 18/07/2020 03:12, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Ok, I can get access to github.

Interestingly, I can only do this on google chrome or edge chromium.

Oh and I need to be logged in to clone.

Anyway after I find a menu called add file I can then click the code button and get access to things for a zip.

If I put .git at the end of a project I can clone in github easily enough.

I just wish there was a way to have a classic github mode though, while I often don't need a perminant project sometimes I want to get a look see for the hell of it and don't want to keep it.

It can be done, oh well there is microsoft influancing github.

On the up side, in some services, microsoft allows github logins and accounts.

However I can't find the signin link to github unless I directly go to github/login but then neither can I download skype without going to skype.com/download so whatever.





--

Sean

👨‍🦯 I’m student and programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.


Re: caret browsing question?

 

You know I havn't needed to use that feature for a bit.

Granted nvda does have its own carrot settings so maybe thats why.

I havn't needed it but maybe wi will try it with some stuff.

I havn't needed screen layout either or anything like it.

On 18/07/2020 2:26 pm, Gene wrote:
Those who use Windows 10 Narrator may be able to discuss the question more. But for one thing, we don't even know if any screen-reader is aware of the virtual cursor used in caret browsing.  Just because a virtual cursor is present doesn't mean a screen-reader is aware of it and I doubt it is.  Just because a real cursor is present, doesn't mean a screen-reader is necessarily aware of it.

I just tried an experiment.  I turned off browse mode in NVDA.  I then turned on the virtual cursor in Firefox.  NVDA didn't respond in any way when I moved the arrow keys.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: David Csercsics
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] caret browsing question?

Interesting. I figured it was redundant, but I guess you'd need it
without the virtual buffer, so it's probably more useful for things like
narrator then.





Re: Control Alt N Not Working to Open NVDA

 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 09:18 AM, David Kingsbury wrote:
when she hits Control Alt N to open NVDA, nothing happens. Same thing with hitting Control Alt J to open JAWS.
-
Please have a read through the topic, Control Alt J Not Working to Open JAWS, on the JAWS Group, for those other than Mr. Kingsbury, who also started that topic there.  It appears that there is at least a decent chance that this has something to do with a JAWS 2020 bug.  This is just too "sudden onset" and screwing up too many desktop shortcuts to be a coincidence.

Of course, if you don't also have JAWS, that's a data point worth noting.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: nvda and office 2019

 

My patience is below zero tonight, so forgive me if I'm prickly.

Firstly, your formatting idiosyncrasies made this message extremely, extremely, extremely, tedious to read. I don't know what the log is for. The subject line doesn't tell me what problem you were/are having, I don't get it. And, honestly, I don't have the energy to engage beyond this point.

I'm more than willing to concede that because I don't get all thread messages, I only get the first message of new topics, that I missed something. That's fine. Let me know. But, when you write extremely vacuous things like,

Well I don't know what or how much of this debug dump is actually usefull.

That means absolutely nothing to me. At all. What was the point of this log? Why not make a github ticket? Like, what's the point of this message.

If anyone wants to respond to me privately, do so, because I'm very, very, very, prickly tonight.


nvda and office 2019

 

Hi.
Well I don't know what or how much of this debug dump is actually usefull.
However unexpectedly I have been able to access the unit that I was
going to have access to next week.
The point is this data dump.
So let someone that wants it have a ganda.

Below this line is the dump.
If you are reading this and don't want to know or don't know what this
dump is about then you can stop here.
INFO - __main__ (14:52:53.594) - MainThread (12056):
Starting NVDA version 2020.1
INFO - core.main (14:52:53.726) - MainThread (12056):
Config dir: C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (14:52:53.726) - MainThread (12056):
Loading config: C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (14:52:53.748) - MainThread (12056):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{'schemaVersion': '3', 'upgrade': {}, 'update': {'autoCheck': 'True',
'startupNotification': 'True', 'allowUsageStats': 'False',
'askedAllowUsageStats': 'True'}, 'general':
{'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': 'False', 'language': 'Windows',
'saveConfigurationOnExit': 'True', 'askToExit': 'False',
'playStartAndExitSounds': 'True', 'loggingLevel': 'DEBUG'}, 'speech':
{'synth': 'espeak', 'autoLanguageSwitching': 'False', 'outputDevice':
'Microsoft Sound Mapper', 'espeak': {'voice': 'en', 'variant': 'max',
'rate': '30', 'pitch': '40', 'inflection': '75', 'volume': '100'},
'oneCore': {'voice':
'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech_OneCore\\Voices\\Tokens\\MSTTS_V110_enUS_DavidM',
'volume': '100'}, 'sapi5': {'voice':
'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_EN-US_DAVID_11.0',
'volume': '100'}, 'silence': {}}, 'braille': {'noBraille': {'port':
''}}, 'keyboard': {'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': 'True',
'speakTypedCharacters': 'True'}, 'wintenApps': {'updateCheckTime':
'1543254344', 'updateCheckTimeInterval': '5'}, 'uwpOcr': {'language':
'en-GB'}, 'presentation': {'progressBarUpdates':
{'progressBarOutputMode': 'beep', 'reportBackgroundProgressBars':
'True'}}, 'mouse': {'enableMouseTracking': 'True'}, 'development':
{'enableScratchpadDir': 'False'}, 'virtualBuffers':
{'useScreenLayout': 'False'}, 'documentFormatting':
{'reportSpellingErrors': 'False', 'reportTables': 'False',
'reportClickable': 'False'}, 'vision': {'NVDAHighlighter':
{'highlightFocus': 'False', 'highlightNavigator': 'False',
'highlightBrowseMode': 'False'}, 'screenCurtain': {}}}
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:53.819) - MainThread (12056):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (14:52:53.821) - MainThread (12056):
Using Windows version 10.0.19041 workstation
INFO - core.main (14:52:53.821) - MainThread (12056):
Using Python version 3.7.7 (tags/v3.7.7:d7c567b08f, Mar 10 2020,
09:44:33) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (14:52:53.821) - MainThread (12056):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (14:52:53.821) - MainThread (12056):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:53.828) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.831) -
MainThread (12056):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.831) -
MainThread (12056):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\addonUpdater
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.832) -
MainThread (12056):
Found add-on addonUpdater - 20.07. Requires API: (2020, 1, 0).
Last-tested API: (2020, 3, 0)
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.832) -
MainThread (12056):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\emoticons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.832) -
MainThread (12056):
Found add-on emoticons - 12.0. Requires API: (2019, 3, 0). Last-tested
API: (2019, 3, 0)
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.832) -
MainThread (12056):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\reportSymbols
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.835) -
MainThread (12056):
Found add-on reportSymbols - 5.0. Requires API: (2019, 3, 0).
Last-tested API: (2019, 3, 0)
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.835) -
MainThread (12056):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\VLC
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.836) -
MainThread (12056):
Found add-on VLC - 2.10. Requires API: (2018, 1, 0). Last-tested API:
(2019, 3, 0)
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.836) -
MainThread (12056):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:52:53.839) -
MainThread (12056):
Found add-on wintenApps - 20.07.2. Requires API: (2019, 3, 0).
Last-tested API: (2020, 3, 0)
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (14:52:53.967) - MainThread (12056):
No touch devices found
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.065) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (14:52:54.065) - MainThread (12056):
Addon VLC added to appModules package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (14:52:54.065) - MainThread (12056):
Addon wintenApps added to appModules package path
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.065) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.118) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing tones
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.135) - MainThread (12056):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:52:54.135) - MainThread (12056):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:52:54.135) - MainThread (12056):
file 'C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:52:54.135) - MainThread (12056):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:52:54.135) - MainThread (12056):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.135) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing speech
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (14:52:54.183) -
MainThread (12056):
Using eSpeak NG version b'1.49.3 dev'
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:52:54.255) - MainThread (12056):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak-English
(Great Britain).dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:52:54.255) - MainThread (12056):
file 'C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak-English
(Great Britain).dic' not found.
DEBUG - synthDriverHandler.SynthDriver.loadSettings (14:52:54.255) -
MainThread (12056):
Loaded settings for SynthDriver espeak
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (14:52:54.255) - MainThread (12056):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (14:52:54.255) - MainThread (12056):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.255) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (14:52:54.255) - MainThread (12056):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.255) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (14:52:54.255) - MainThread (12056):
Using liblouis version 3.12.0
INFO - braille.initialize (14:52:54.255) - MainThread (12056):
Using pySerial version 3.4
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._registerConfigSaveAction
(14:52:54.265) - MainThread (12056):
registering pre_configSave action: <class
'brailleDisplayDrivers.noBraille.BrailleDisplayDriver'>
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._loadSpecificSettings
(14:52:54.265) - MainThread (12056):
loading braille noBraille
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (14:52:54.265) -
MainThread (12056):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.265) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing vision
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.265) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.265) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:52:54.290) - MainThread (12056):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 394372
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:52:54.290) - MainThread (12056):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 394372
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:52:54.290) - MainThread (12056):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 394372
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:52:54.290) - MainThread (12056):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 394372
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.295) - MainThread (12056):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
INFO - core.main (14:52:54.449) - MainThread (12056):
Java Access Bridge support initialized
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.452) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing legacy winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.453) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (14:52:54.455) -
_UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (11396):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.555) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.555) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap
(14:52:54.555) - MainThread (12056):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap
(14:52:54.555) - MainThread (12056):
No user gesture map
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.555) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.555) - MainThread (12056):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.586) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (14:52:54.586) - MainThread (12056):
No touch devices found
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.586) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (14:52:54.586) - MainThread (12056):
Addon addonUpdater added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (14:52:54.586) - MainThread (12056):
Addon emoticons added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (14:52:54.586) - MainThread (12056):
Addon reportSymbols added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (14:52:54.586) - MainThread (12056):
Addon wintenApps added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.wintenObjs.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(14:52:54.595) - MainThread (12056):
W10: adding additional events
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.wintenObjs.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(14:52:54.595) - MainThread (12056):
W10: added event ID 20026, assigned to UIA_dragStart
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.wintenObjs.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(14:52:54.595) - MainThread (12056):
W10: added event ID 20027, assigned to UIA_dragCancel
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.wintenObjs.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(14:52:54.605) - MainThread (12056):
W10: added event ID 20028, assigned to UIA_dragComplete
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.wintenObjs.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(14:52:54.605) - MainThread (12056):
W10: added event ID 20029, assigned to UIA_dragEnter
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.wintenObjs.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(14:52:54.615) - MainThread (12056):
W10: added event ID 20030, assigned to UIA_dragLeave
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.wintenObjs.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(14:52:54.615) - MainThread (12056):
W10: added event ID 20031, assigned to UIA_dragDropped
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.wintenObjs.GlobalPlugin.__init__
(14:52:54.615) - MainThread (12056):
W10: adding class name Popup to known dialog class names
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:52:54.645) - MainThread (12056):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\emoticons\globalPlugins\emoticons\emoticons\emoticons.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:52:54.645) - MainThread (12056):
file 'C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\emoticons\globalPlugins\emoticons\emoticons\emoticons.dic'
not found.
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.655) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.655) - MainThread (12056):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.655) - MainThread (12056):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (14:52:54.655) - MainThread (12056):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (14:52:54.655) - MainThread (12056):
entering wx application main loop
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._registerConfigSaveAction
(14:52:54.660) - MainThread (12056):
registering pre_configSave action: <class
'visionEnhancementProviders.NVDAHighlighter.NVDAHighlighterSettings'>
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._loadSpecificSettings
(14:52:54.665) - MainThread (12056):
loading vision NVDAHighlighter
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._loadSpecificSettings
(14:52:54.665) - MainThread (12056):
Loaded settings for NVDAHighlighterSettings
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._registerConfigSaveAction
(14:52:54.672) - MainThread (12056):
registering pre_configSave action: <class
'visionEnhancementProviders.screenCurtain.ScreenCurtainSettings'>
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._loadSpecificSettings
(14:52:54.675) - MainThread (12056):
loading vision screenCurtain
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._loadSpecificSettings
(14:52:54.675) - MainThread (12056):
Loaded settings for ScreenCurtainSettings
IO - speech.speak (14:52:54.695) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Desktop', 'list']
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale
(14:52:54.695) - MainThread (12056):
No CLDR data for locale en_GB
IO - speech.speak (14:52:54.782) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['computer', 'not selected', '1 of 8']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:52:55.915) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):windows+r
IO - speech.speak (14:52:56.044) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'r', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:52:56.145) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Run', 'dialog', 'Type the name of a program, folder,
document or Internet resource, and Windows will open it for you.']
IO - speech.speak (14:52:56.205) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Open:', 'combo box', 'collapsed']
IO - speech.speak (14:52:56.208) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['edit', 'Alt+o', 'selected nvda']
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (14:52:56.209) - MainThread (12056):
C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\api.py:287:
DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:52:56.558) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):w
IO - speech.speak (14:52:56.578) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'w', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:52:56.578) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['selection removed']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:52:56.710) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):i
IO - speech.speak (14:52:56.737) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'i', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:52:56.845) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):n
IO - speech.speak (14:52:56.855) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'n', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:52:56.950) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):w
IO - speech.speak (14:52:56.975) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'w', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:52:57.075) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):o
IO - speech.speak (14:52:57.105) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'o', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:52:57.165) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):r
IO - speech.speak (14:52:57.205) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'r', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:52:57.338) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):d
IO - speech.speak (14:52:57.365) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'd', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:52:57.570) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
DEBUG - editableText.EditableText._hasCaretMoved (14:52:57.607) -
MainThread (12056):
Caret move detected using bookmarks. Elapsed: 0 ms
IO - speech.speak (14:52:57.847) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Desktop', 'list']
IO - speech.speak (14:52:57.853) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['computer', 'not selected', '1 of 8']
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (14:52:59.797) - watchdog (6252):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 215, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 545, in main
File "wx\core.pyc", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyc", line 1030, in Notify
File "core.pyc", line 515, in run
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 150, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 163, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 109, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 536, in _get_container
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 979, in _get_parent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 79, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 666, in __init__
File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1158, in QueryInterface
File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__

DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:52:59.829) - MainThread (12056):
error executing event: gainFocus on
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at 0x070FAFD0> with extra
args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 150, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 163, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 109, in setFocusObject
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 536, in _get_container
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 979, in _get_parent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 79, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 666, in __init__
File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1158, in QueryInterface
File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 34, in __call__
core.CallCancelled: COM call cancelled
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(14:53:00.030) - MainThread (12056):
accRole failed: (-2147417848, 'The object invoked has disconnected
from its clients.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (14:53:00.417) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Word']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:00.438) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Home', 'grouping']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:00.455) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['New', 'grouping']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:00.481) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['list']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:00.509) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Blank document', 'Blank document', 'Alt, F, H, Y 2', '1 of 6']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:01.510) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):escape
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:01.675) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):escape
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:02.686) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):escape
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA._prefetchUIACacheForPropertyIDs
(14:53:02.720) - MainThread (12056):
IUIAutomationElement.buildUpdatedCache failed given IDs of {30019,
30086, 30022, 30025, 30036, 30070, 30103, 30008, 30009, 30010, 30046,
30079}
DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:53:02.722) - MainThread (12056):
error executing event: typedCharacter on <NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem
object at 0x040077F0> with extra args of {'ch': '\x1b'}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\reportSymbols\globalPlugins\reportSymbols.py",
line 70, in event_typedCharacter
nextHandler()
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1047, in event_typedCharacter
File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 965, in speakTypedCharacters
File "api.pyc", line 264, in isTypingProtected
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 921, in _get_isProtected
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 1207, in _get_states
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 802, in
_getUIACacheablePropertyValue
File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__
_ctypes.COMError: (-2147220991, 'An event was unable to invoke any of
the subscribers', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (14:53:03.170) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Microsoft Word Document', 'edit', 'multi line', 'page 1',
'section 1', 'blank']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:04.457) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+f
IO - speech.speak (14:53:04.978) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['File', 'list']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:05.027) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Home', 'Home', 'Alt, F, H']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:05.285) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):d
IO - speech.speak (14:53:05.540) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'd', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:53:05.635) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Account', 'Account', 'Alt, F, D']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:05.850) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):r
IO - speech.speak (14:53:05.945) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 'r', EndUtteranceCommand()]
DEBUG - speech.manager.SpeechManager._handleIndex (14:53:05.951) -
MainThread (12056):
Unknown index 33, speech probably cancelled from main thread.
IO - speech.speak (14:53:06.105) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Account', 'grouping', 'Account']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:06.115) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Office Updates', 'grouping']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:06.135) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Update Now', 'Check for and apply updates for Office', 'U']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:06.518) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):space
DEBUG - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (14:53:06.557) -
MainThread (12056):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 2426422, objectID -4 and
childID 0: [WinError -2147024809] The parameter is incorrect
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA._prefetchUIACacheForPropertyIDs
(14:53:06.564) - MainThread (12056):
IUIAutomationElement.buildUpdatedCache failed given IDs of {30019,
30086, 30022, 30025, 30036, 30070, 30103, 30008, 30009, 30010, 30046,
30079}
DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:53:06.568) - MainThread (12056):
error executing event: typedCharacter on <NVDAObjects.UIA.MenuItem
object at 0x058827B0> with extra args of {'ch': ' '}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\reportSymbols\globalPlugins\reportSymbols.py",
line 70, in event_typedCharacter
nextHandler()
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1047, in event_typedCharacter
File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 965, in speakTypedCharacters
File "api.pyc", line 264, in isTypingProtected
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 921, in _get_isProtected
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 1207, in _get_states
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 802, in
_getUIACacheablePropertyValue
File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__
_ctypes.COMError: (-2147220991, 'An event was unable to invoke any of
the subscribers', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (14:53:06.576) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Document1 - Word']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:06.645) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Account', 'grouping', 'Account']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:06.645) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Office Updates', 'grouping']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:06.655) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Update Options', 'collapsed', 'Alt, F, D, R']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:07.911) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['\u202aChecking for updates\u202c']
IO - tones.beep (14:53:07.966) - MainThread (12056):
Beep at pitch 110.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (14:53:08.506) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Document1 - Word']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:08.636) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Account', 'grouping', 'Account']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:08.656) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Office Updates', 'grouping']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:08.671) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Update Options', 'collapsed', 'Alt, F, D, R']
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(14:53:08.709) - MainThread (12056):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (14:53:08.751) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['\u202aClose\u202c', 'button', 'Alt+c']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:09.150) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - speech.speak (14:53:09.185) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['\u202aMinimize\u202c', 'button']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:09.406) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:09.645) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - speech.speak (14:53:09.685) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['\u202aClose\u202c', 'button', 'Alt+c']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:09.985) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):space
IO - speech.speak (14:53:10.009) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['space', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:53:10.009) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['pressed']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:10.146) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Document1 - Word']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:10.240) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Account', 'grouping', 'Account']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:10.245) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Office Updates', 'grouping']
IO - speech.speak (14:53:10.245) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Update Options', 'collapsed', 'Alt, F, D, R']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:10.445) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):escape
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA._prefetchUIACacheForPropertyIDs
(14:53:10.735) - MainThread (12056):
IUIAutomationElement.buildUpdatedCache failed given IDs of {30019,
30086, 30022, 30025, 30036, 30070, 30103, 30008, 30009, 30010, 30046,
30079}
DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:53:10.735) - MainThread (12056):
error executing event: typedCharacter on <NVDAObjects.UIA.MenuItem
object at 0x040077F0> with extra args of {'ch': '\x1b'}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\reportSymbols\globalPlugins\reportSymbols.py",
line 70, in event_typedCharacter
nextHandler()
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1047, in event_typedCharacter
File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 965, in speakTypedCharacters
File "api.pyc", line 264, in isTypingProtected
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 921, in _get_isProtected
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 1207, in _get_states
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 802, in
_getUIACacheablePropertyValue
File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__
_ctypes.COMError: (-2147220991, 'An event was unable to invoke any of
the subscribers', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUG - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (14:53:10.775) -
MainThread (12056):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 656424, objectID 26 and
childID 0: [WinError -2147467259] Unspecified error
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (14:53:10.775) - MainThread (12056):
application officec2rclient closed
IO - speech.speak (14:53:10.857) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Microsoft Word Document', 'edit', 'multi line', 'page 1',
'section 1', 'blank']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:13.728) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+f4
DEBUG - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (14:53:13.777) -
MainThread (12056):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 590890, objectID -4 and
childID 0: [WinError -2147024809] The parameter is incorrect
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (14:53:14.530) - watchdog (6252):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 215, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 545, in main
File "wx\core.pyc", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyc", line 1030, in Notify
File "core.pyc", line 515, in run
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 150, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 163, in doPreGainFocus
File "api.pyc", line 147, in setFocusObject
File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 101, in newCpbDel
File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 918, in __del__
File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1172, in Release
File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__

DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (14:53:14.530) - MainThread (12056):
error executing event: gainFocus on
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ContentGenericClient object at 0x0752BCF0>
with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1102, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 988, in reportFocus
File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 469, in speakObject
File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 506, in getObjectSpeech
File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 377, in getObjectPropertiesSpeech
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1653, in _get_value
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyc", line 201, in _get_displayText
File "displayModel.pyc", line 292, in __init__
File "textInfos\offsets.pyc", line 458, in __init__
File "displayModel.pyc", line 414, in _getStoryLength
File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 145, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "displayModel.pyc", line 319, in _get__storyFieldsAndRects
File "displayModel.pyc", line 196, in getWindowTextInRect
File "watchdog.pyc", line 327, in cancellableExecute
File "watchdog.pyc", line 264, in execute
core.CallCancelled
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(14:53:14.550) - MainThread (12056):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:21.209) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:21.572) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:21.830) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:22.580) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:24.737) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:24.953) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:25.137) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:25.317) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:28.502) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:28.662) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:28.835) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:45.492) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:45.694) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:45.985) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+space
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:46.357) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:46.637) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:46.795) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:53:46.966) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:04.638) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:04.822) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:05.007) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:06.574) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:11.291) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):control+windows+enter
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (14:54:12.308) - MainThread (12056):
application winword closed
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (14:54:12.308) - MainThread (12056):
application officeclicktorun closed
IO - speech.speak (14:54:12.333) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Narrator']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 10476 (NarratorQuickStart.exe)
(14:54:12.736) - Dummy-2 (13404):
Thread 2492, build\x86_64\remote\ia2Support.cpp,
IA2Support_inProcess_initialize, 121:
disabling IA2 support

IO - speech.speak (14:54:12.879) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Narrator', 'window']
IO - speech.speak (14:54:12.955) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['dialog', 'This is Narrator Home, where you can get help,
access your settings, and learn about new features. Narrator is a
screen reader that describes aloud what’s on your screen, so you can
use that information to navigate your device. To start or stop
Narrator, press the Windows logo key + Ctrl + Enter. Explore the
sections below to get started.\nStart Narrator after sign-in']
IO - speech.speak (14:54:12.964) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['QuickStart', 'button', 'Alt, Q']
IO - speech.speak (14:54:13.541) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Narrator']
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (14:54:13.675) - MainThread (12056):
application narratorquickstart closed
IO - speech.speak (14:54:13.704) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['MainWindow', 'window']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:14.925) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:15.321) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 8200 (SearchApp.exe) (14:54:17.302) - Dummy-3 (2704):
Thread 8380, build\x86_64\remote\ia2Support.cpp,
IA2Support_inProcess_initialize, 121:
disabling IA2 support

DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (14:54:17.606) - MainThread (12056):
application narrator closed
IO - speech.speak (14:54:17.650) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Start', 'window']
IO - speech.speak (14:54:17.656) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Search', 'window']
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (14:54:17.672) -
MainThread (12056):
Potential unimplemented child class:
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_StartMenuSearchFieldSearchFieldEditableTextWithAutoSelectDetectionUIA
object at 0x040077F0>
IO - speech.speak (14:54:17.678) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Search box', 'edit', 'blank']
IO - speech.speak (14:54:18.245) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['MainWindow', 'window']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 8792 (StartMenuExperienceHost.exe)
(14:54:18.297) - Dummy-3 (2704):
Thread 13964, build\x86_64\remote\ia2Support.cpp,
IA2Support_inProcess_initialize, 121:
disabling IA2 support

IO - speech.speak (14:54:18.847) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Start', 'window']
IO - speech.speak (14:54:18.858) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Search', 'window']
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (14:54:18.872) -
MainThread (12056):
Potential unimplemented child class:
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_StartMenuSearchFieldSearchFieldEditableTextWithAutoSelectDetectionUIA
object at 0x040077F0>
IO - speech.speak (14:54:18.872) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Search box', 'edit', 'blank']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:19.772) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):s
IO - speech.speak (14:54:19.876) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 's', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:20.094) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):t
IO - speech.speak (14:54:20.162) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), 't', EndUtteranceCommand()]
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.edge.EdgeNode._get_isCurrent (14:54:20.826) -
MainThread (12056):
aria props = label=Microsoft Store, App, Press right to switch
preview;selected=true;
IO - speech.speak (14:54:20.827) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Microsoft Store, App, Press right to switch preview', '1 of 4']
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.UIA.edge.EdgeNode._get_isCurrent (14:54:20.871) -
MainThread (12056):
aria props = label=Microsoft Store, App, Press right to switch
preview;selected=true;
IO - speech.speak (14:54:20.871) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['Microsoft Store, App, Press right to switch preview', '1 of 4']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:21.454) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):escape
IO - speech.speakTypedCharacters (14:54:21.542) - MainThread (12056):
typed word: st
IO - speech.speak (14:54:21.637) - MainThread (12056):
Speaking ['MainWindow', 'window']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:54:23.271) - winInputHook (5728):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+q
INFO - core.main (14:54:23.287) - MainThread (12056):
Exiting
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.287) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating updateCheck
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.287) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating watchdog
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.287) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating global plugin handler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.287) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating gui
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._saveSpecificSettings
(14:54:23.315) - MainThread (12056):
Saved settings for NVDAHighlighterSettings
DEBUG - autoSettingsUtils.autoSettings.AutoSettings._saveSpecificSettings
(14:54:23.315) - MainThread (12056):
Saved settings for ScreenCurtainSettings
DEBUG - fileUtils.FaultTolerantFile (14:54:23.315) - MainThread (12056):
C:\Users\theresia\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.inio7jwllev.tmp
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (14:54:23.315) - MainThread (12056):
Base configuration saved
DEBUG - core.main (14:54:23.315) - MainThread (12056):
calling lose focus on object with focus
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.315) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating treeInterceptorHandler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.315) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating IAccessible support
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.315) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating UIA support
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.357) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating Legacy winConsole support
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.357) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating Java Access Bridge support
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.363) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating app module handler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.363) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating tones
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.416) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.421) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating touchHandler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.421) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating keyboard handler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.421) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating mouseHandler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.421) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating inputCore
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.422) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating vision
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.422) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating brailleInput
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.422) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating braille
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.422) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating speech
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:54:23.422) - MainThread (12056):
Terminating addonHandler
DEBUG - core.main (14:54:24.500) - MainThread (12056):
core done
INFO - __main__ (14:54:24.556) - MainThread (12056):
NVDA exit


Re: Control Alt N Not Working to Open NVDA

 

Hi,
I just tried this shortcut key myself, and it does indeed work. So I think the problem that the original poster describe might be down to some Windows settings preventing the shortcut keys from being activated.


Re: caret browsing question?

Gene
 

Those who use Windows 10 Narrator may be able to discuss the question more. But for one thing, we don't even know if any screen-reader is aware of the virtual cursor used in caret browsing. Just because a virtual cursor is present doesn't mean a screen-reader is aware of it and I doubt it is. Just because a real cursor is present, doesn't mean a screen-reader is necessarily aware of it.

I just tried an experiment. I turned off browse mode in NVDA. I then turned on the virtual cursor in Firefox. NVDA didn't respond in any way when I moved the arrow keys.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Csercsics
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] caret browsing question?

Interesting. I figured it was redundant, but I guess you'd need it
without the virtual buffer, so it's probably more useful for things like
narrator then.


Re: caret browsing question?

 

thanks for your question.
i was curious about caret browsing too.
i enabled caret browsing and it did not work for me at all!
i even could not navigate web pages with arrow keys!

On 7/18/20, David Csercsics <bleeblat@...> wrote:
Does the "caret browsing" setting in most web browsers help NVDA at all?
Just a curiosity. I know you used to apparently need it for Windows
mail, but is it recommended for browsing the web?





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: caret browsing question?

 

i enabled caret browsing and it did not work for me at all!
i even could not navigate web pages with arrow keys!

On 7/18/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Its for sighted people and does nothing regarding the Virtual PC Cursor or
Browse mode, two names for the same thing. We already have a virtual
cursor.

the explanation I've seen is that carret browsing is for helping sighted
people select text with the keyboard. We can already do that.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Csercsics
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:32 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] caret browsing question?

Does the "caret browsing" setting in most web browsers help NVDA at all?
Just a curiosity. I know you used to apparently need it for Windows
mail, but is it recommended for browsing the web?








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: caret browsing question?

David Csercsics
 

Interesting. I figured it was redundant, but I guess you'd need it without the virtual buffer, so it's probably more useful for things like narrator then.


Re: caret browsing question?

Gene
 

Its for sighted people and does nothing regarding the Virtual PC Cursor or Browse mode, two names for the same thing. We already have a virtual cursor.

the explanation I've seen is that carret browsing is for helping sighted people select text with the keyboard. We can already do that.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Csercsics
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:32 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] caret browsing question?

Does the "caret browsing" setting in most web browsers help NVDA at all?
Just a curiosity. I know you used to apparently need it for Windows
mail, but is it recommended for browsing the web?


caret browsing question?

David Csercsics
 

Does the "caret browsing" setting in most web browsers help NVDA at all? Just a curiosity. I know you used to apparently need it for Windows mail, but is it recommended for browsing the web?


Re: office 2019 word and nvda

Rui Fontes
 

See if that is enough:


IO - external:globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.commandKeysSelectiveAnnouncementAndRemanence.MyInputManager.executeKeyboardGesture (21:19:59.334) - winInputHook (9456):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+f4
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (21:19:59.899) - watchdog (14408):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
  File "nvda.pyw", line 215, in <module>
  File "core.pyc", line 545, in main
  File "wx\core.pyc", line 2134, in MainLoop
  File "gui\__init__.pyc", line 1052, in Notify
  File "core.pyc", line 514, in run
  File "IAccessibleHandler\__init__.pyc", line 903, in pumpAll
  File "IAccessibleHandler\__init__.pyc", line 578, in processGenericWinEvent
  File "IAccessibleHandler\__init__.pyc", line 531, in winEventToNVDAEvent
  File "_UIAHandler.pyc", line 582, in isUIAWindow
  File "_UIAHandler.pyc", line 560, in _isUIAWindowHelper

IO - inputCore.logTimeSinceInput (21:20:20.583) - MainThread (8240):
21.249 sec since input
IO - speech.speak (21:20:20.583) - MainThread (8240):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('pt_PT'), 'C:\\Livros', 'janela']


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 00:50 de 18/07/2020, Luke Davis escreveu:

It could be nice to have a debug level log of one of these cases where closing Word in this way results in other Windows elements, including Word, not working.

I was not able to replicate that portion of the scenario.

Please consider either posting one on the github issue, or sending one privately.

Luke

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, Daniel Damacena wrote:

It happens to me sometimes, but not exactly when I close Office 19.I can solve this openning the task manager with control + shift + esc and restarting
windows explorer process.


my github issue solved

 

Hi.

Ok, I can get access to github.

Interestingly, I can only do this on google chrome or edge chromium.

Oh and I need to be logged in to clone.

Anyway after I find a menu called add file I can then click the code button and get access to things for a zip.

If I put .git at the end of a project I can clone in github easily enough.

I just wish there was a way to have a classic github mode though, while I often don't need a perminant project sometimes I want to get a look see for the hell of it and don't want to keep it.

It can be done, oh well there is microsoft influancing github.

On the up side, in some services, microsoft allows github logins and accounts.

However I can't find the signin link to github unless I directly go to github/login but then neither can I download skype without going to skype.com/download so whatever.


Re: office 2019 word and nvda

 

Well if you guys can leave this issue open till tuesday I may have access to a laptop with the formentioned issue on.

I may get access earlier but for now thats the best I can do.

I technically had access to something yesterday but I was so screwed up with a cold I didn't have the energy to get out of bed.

On 18/07/2020 11:50 am, Luke Davis wrote:
It could be nice to have a debug level log of one of these cases where closing Word in this way results in other Windows elements, including Word, not working.

I was not able to replicate that portion of the scenario.

Please consider either posting one on the github issue, or sending one privately.

Luke

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, Daniel Damacena wrote:

It happens to me sometimes, but not exactly when I close Office 19.I can solve this openning the task manager with control + shift + esc and restarting
windows explorer process.


Re: office 2019 word and nvda

Luke Davis
 

It could be nice to have a debug level log of one of these cases where closing Word in this way results in other Windows elements, including Word, not working.

I was not able to replicate that portion of the scenario.

Please consider either posting one on the github issue, or sending one privately.

Luke

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, Daniel Damacena wrote:

It happens to me sometimes, but not exactly when I close Office 19.I can solve this openning the task manager with control + shift + esc and restarting
windows explorer process.