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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Brian K. Lingard
Dear Eleni & List:
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You do not have to use a touch screen to have a smart Phone. Motorola makes smart phones with an actual keypad and so does Blackberry. Brian
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
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Re: File not found. when saving text file
Quentin Christensen
It sounds much more like a problem with notepad and / or locating that testing.txt file in your documents rather than anything NVDA is doing. Since you mentioned it happened with a portable copy of NVDA, if you run a temporary copy of NVDA 2018.2.1 (from the installer, select "Continue running"), does the problem come back? (that way you can test it before upgrading back to 2018.2.1). If it does, could you please send me a copy of your log (ideally at debug level - press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "restart with debug logging" and enter). Email to info@.... Since the error mentions this testing.txt file, have you ever opened or saved a file by that name? Regards Quentin.
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote: Hi, Brian --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Gene
One of the most common and biggest mistakes made in
discussing the future is projecting from current conditions. Under current
conditions, things may look very grim for the next generation in terms of loss
of some sight or blindness. That promjection appears to completely not
take into account that we are on the verge of revolutions in technology for
artificial vision and stem and perhaps use of other cells for naturally
restoring lost vission. And the story repeats itself in field after
field.
I'm not saying that this prediction won't come true
or that other dire predictions won't in other fields. We may have
disasters, economic and otherwise, that make medical progress slow dramaticallly
or even perhaps stop or almost stop. Who knows? But you must be very
suspicious of a lot of dire predictions unless you know how they are made.
As for ideas I've never tried to establish programs
and I don't know what is involved. I wanted to clarify what you were doing
and perhaps others will have suggestions.
I might consider doing some teaching. I'd
have to think about that because I'm not sure I have the patience to do so, that
is, to teach in detail starting from a person with no knowledge of
Windows. But its something to think about. It may also be something
I might propose that people who know how in my area consider setting up.
So at some point, I might ask the list for suggestions and information about how
such things are done.
We might get more and better teachers if some sort
of pay is involved and there are lots of how to considerations I know nothing
about.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about
NVDA No, We are working towards developing the wherewithal to be seeking grant money or support from our state agency. I have taught classes in the past, but thanks to the library, I was paid and no one was charged. That is how we are likely to start this year, but this second trial will allow us to use what we learn to refine the approach.
However things are done, such programs need to be sustained and sustainable. My generation will be about for the next thirty years or so. Looking at the one coming behind us, the statistics are even more grim about vision loss.
Thanks for asking. If you have ideas or suggestions, please share them here or outside the list. Rick From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Are you saying you will ask people to pay you for instruction? That's fine. I don't think you mean to pay for NVDA since it is free. If you are asking them to contribute that's fine, but what are you saying?
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: ely.r@... Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
There is a new group of adults
who will be wanting to continue their computer access. They are the wave of
"senior boomers." It is an entire generation who though they did not "grow up"
using technology, have adapted pretty well to it. The statistics regarding
vision loss in that population are staggering. Many of those people have PCs at
home.
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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
The following link will give a idea of what skype 8 is like. it can be downloaded from the following drop box link at https://www.dropbox.com/s/sk846qaagc7yk1b/using%20skype%208%20the%20basics%20.MP3?dl=0 It covers the basics where to look to setup your mic etc and also have it automatically answer your calls etc.
It does not show how to hang up as i had no one to do it with but it can be found under the list where you call that person along with file sharing etc which is not covered or going all the way down the list. of things you can do.
It covers making a call and also deleting a contact. What is not covered as it if covered will be far longer.
There is also a written tutorial going up which should cover more but not group chats of yet.
The voice that was used was david a windows one core voice is it understandable enough?
I usually like using Gene which is a E speak voice as it is clear.
I might use it on the website or might even re record it with more in it?
In the written tutorial etc it will say like quick navigation keys etc that you can use with nvda.
Gene nz
On 7/19/2018 4:06 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 07:46 PM, Gene wrote:
This bears repeating, and repeating and repeating. One can substitute both JAWS and NVDA with any currently extant or retired screen readers as appropriate, too. Tool to task, and all that. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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looking for some good partission soft ware
Bobby Vinton
Hay I was wondering if you know of a good partition soft ware that works with nvda and is free?
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Gene
I don't know what is meant by commercial support
but if programs are being used for which special teaching is required, it's a
business program not widely used and the phone service staff would be unlikely
to know about it, that's one case of lack. Another would be where NVDA
would have to be scripted to work with a program. Unless there is a quick
and reliable way to do that, it can't be left to volunteers or a small number of
people working for pay who may have far too much to do already.
Gene
----- Original Message
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From: Antony Stone
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA https://www.nvaccess.org/product/nvda-telephone-support ? It's a support service, which you pay for. I agree that the website doesn't specify when the service is available (24x7? business hours in some timezone? something else?) but I still think it qualifies as a commercial support service for using NVDA. Antony. On Thursday 19 July 2018 at 00:54:20, Shaun Everiss wrote: > That is actually a point, nvda is free, but there isn't such a thing as > comercial support, there is this list and you can pay for support from > the nvda devs themselves I think but for businesses, well thats not > about right now maybe we need to look at this as a community to have > some comercial support who knows. > > On 7/19/2018 10:28 AM, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > > Hi, > > > > my employer, the city of Munich, has started to migrate from Windows to > > Linux maybe 12 years ago. Now they are switching back to Windows because > > they say it is the standard in the industries and in the majority of > > companies and open source is causing problems especialy when exchanging > > documents or other office related data. The default software on a > > workstation for blind people, maybe 30 are working for thecity of > > Munich, is Windows 7 with Jaws and next year it will be Windows 10 > > also with Jaws. I am working as an Linux system administrator for the > > city of Munich and for me NVDA is the better solution, because I can > > more easily use the textbased terminal of the 2.000 Linux servers I > > have to take care of, but NVDA will not be the official screenreader, > > at least not in the next years. The argument why they are still > > prefering Jaws is that tey think they can not get commercial and > > official support when problems occure or when special solutions are > > needed. And indeed, I do not know a company in Germany which is > > offering commercial support for NVDA. Maybe I should change my job and > > set up such a company :-). > > > > Also in Germany the soft- and hardware which blind people need for their > > job is payed by offical departments or job centers. Those departments do > > only know Jaws or the other commercial solutions. They are very ofthen > > simply not aware that there is a open source solution. But even if they > > know, they would also say that no official companies can support the > > blind people who are using NVDA. > > > > Ciao and all the best from Munich, > > > > Schoepp -- I want to build a machine that will be proud of me. - Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Questions About Internet Explorer
Kevin <kleeva5@...>
Just open your favorites with ctrl+I scroll to the website you want to remove then press the delete!
E-mail is golden!!!
From: Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:51 AM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] Questions About Internet Explorer
Hello: Please I just want to know how to remove saved weebsites from my favorites menu. I can't find any option in the add to favorites dialog to remove them. So, how can I go about removing them. Secondly, how can one acess history on internet explorer. Unlike what you have in firefox, in which there is a history menu, there is nothing like that in IE. But I hear there is such a menu. Where can I find it. Or how can it be accessed. Kind regards. From Ibrahim.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Gene
That isn't my point. I'm saying that people
are all too quick to assume, based on insufficient evidence, that JAWS is saying
things about NVDA that are beyond the standards of claims made in advertising or
in, what is legally called puffing. I'm saying that, as a point of fact,
G. W. Micro had a worse record in commenting on JAWS than JAWS did toward
them. Given that fact, maybe people should be more willing to wait for
meaningful evidence concerning JAWS and NVDA.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about
NVDA What should GW had done instead of saying things about JAWS?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
We don't know who is responsible for these statements. I doubt Freedom Scientific is. They have a legal department and, sorry all you Window-eyes fans, Window-eyes advertising that came from the company itself, did more disparaging of JAWS than JAWS advertising did when they were competing.
I have never seen directly disparaging comments coming from whoever owned JAWS. Maybe it's time for people to realize that they despise JAWS and ask if that makes them too eager to believe anything they see anywhere that puts JAWS in a bad light.
Those who owned JAWS did certain bad things, such as filing frivilous lawsuits against competitors. Legal but reprehensible. But they don't go around making patently untrue statements about the products they are competing against.
I can't speak about independent vendors.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Mallard Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
They would deserve suing on the
part of NV Access, although I realise
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Gene
There is no basis for drawing such
conclusions. Does VFO have any responsibility for this or is it being done
by a completely independent entity of VFO?
Gene
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From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA exists in Western Europe and the United States is spilling over into the product wars. It figures that a company that has become more and more monopolistic in the past few years and which is involved in buying up all its competitors would spread rumors about NVDA being some sort of virus or malware. All I can say to that is I haven't used JAWS regularly in about 6 years now and I'm doing fine with productivity and general usage. On 7/18/2018 12:21 PM, mikolaj holysz wrote: > Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor > of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie > leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago > and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even > heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that > NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their > motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were > speaking the truth or merely exaggerating. > > This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS. > > W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze: >> I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in >> the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man >> at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him >> about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy >> that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody >> will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. >> anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job >> is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never >> even got mentioned! >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> >> >> > > > > > -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Gene
A demanding computer user will know more than one
screen-reader or know enough about it for times when it either must be used to
do something or is so advantageous for a specific use that it makes no sense to
use another which you may generally like better for that purpose. They are
completely separate arguments. I didn't say anything today about knowing
more than one screen-reader. I said that there are somethings that this or
that screen-reader does much better than the one or ones you already know.
If you need to get these things done, you need to use the screen-reader that
does them well, especially in an environment where efficiency is required.
For some people, that will require learning another
screen-reader. For others, who already use it , it won't.
And in a lot of cases, learning another
screen-reader, not to be an expert, but to do what you want to do, isn't the
very difficult task you imply. If you know a small number of commands, you
can do a lot if you are using the same operating system. A lot of what you
do, most, actually, except when using something like Browse Mode, is working
with Windows and program commands.
Gene
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And, contrary to your assertion, if you are using
the same operating system with both screen-readers, or even more than two, you
don't have to learn that much to do a lot. Most of what you are doing,
except for things like quick navigation commands in browse mode, are using
program and Windows commands unless you are doing certain things that require
you to know commands like screen review commands. You can do a lot with a
screen-reader if you know a small number of commands, speak to end, read current
line, current word, etc., set the speech parameters assuming you are using
speech, and a small nuumber of other things.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: erik burggraaf
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about
NVDA I listened to the interview. I don't think the comments were too bad. I don't agree with him at all. There's no comparison between voiceover and narrator for example. It seems extreme to say that apple is merely "checking a box". I also don't agree with his assessment of apple updates vs jaws updates. Some things get fixed quickly. Others do not. That's development. Jaws is the same way. I don't agree that most people who have NVDA also have jaws. That may be all well and good for gene, but most recognize that a one screen reader approach, while not covering absolutely every eventuality known to man, provides huge benefits in learning curve, performance, and in the case of NVDA, cost. Even if some nvda users do also have a jaws on their machine, it is most likely a demonstration version. Anyhow, he's wrong, but we all know it, and he's entitled to his opinion and we all know that too. Eventually all the exclusivity agreements in the world won't save VFO no matter how many companies they gobble up. Let him do his thing. He's only got a few more years left tops. Best, Erik On July 18, 2018 1:21:36 PM "Chris Chaffin" <chaffin102468@...> wrote:
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Re: Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply
Hi Cearbhall,
I have not encountered this. Do you have the option to save sent e-mail in the "sent items" folder checked? As others have suggested, the drafts folder is another place to check. Pranav
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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?
Cristóbal
SO anyway, to answer my own question since it seems no one had the answer.
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The actual command to answer an incoming call with Skype 8.x desktop is control plus shift plus P. This was listed in the link I provided as the command to start a call. Still though, it seems you have to be in the Skype window to execute any of these commands. Be it answer, hang up, mute, etc. This is a rather needless annoyance since before, the hotkeys were universal no matter where you may have been in the machine. It may seem like a minor thing, but I often work in different virtual desktops with lots of programs and windows open at the same time and having to scramble to get to the right window/desktop and then perform the action when before a simple alt plus pg up or pg down worked fine comes off as a pointless step backwards.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 4:35 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call? ctrl d also opens the dial pad. On 7/18/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote: Hi -- Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe Jackie McBride Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time https://brighter-vision.com
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Re: possible eloquence solution
Gene
If you have to buy more licenses. That's a
big if and it hasn't been establishhed.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution For me to even attempt to go legal with this for the price I am going to have to pay for even vocaliser sapi, that system holds me back from buying. Same with eloquence, there is a perfectly alegal version I can use. The legal one has that system and that doesn't settle with me, which is a shame, its not worth the cash if I forget to deactivate and have to either buy more licences or something just to get it fixed, in fact its not worth buying any code factory software if its all like this. On 7/19/2018 4:10 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: > I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time. > >> On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote: >> >> Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods. >> > > > >
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Re: File not found. when saving text file
Robert Mendoza
Hi, Brian
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What I did for to check this is removed the installed NVDA to my machine and deleted all files thoroughly. Then, run with portable but no luck. It is kinda strange because if I am going to use an older version like 2018.1 as example I could save them with no problem. By the way, I am using Windows 10 to my other unit of laptop.Generally, not sure what the real cause of misbehaving to function. Robert Mendoza
On 7/18/2018 10:01 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Does this only happen in notepad and noting else?
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Gene
Another thought or two.
This isn't the fault of NVDA developers or others
working on the project, but I've seen many NVDA very strong proponents spread
false or very questionable information about JAWS for years. I'm not
saying they know they are spreading false information. They may have had
this or that problem with JAWS and assume that it is a general problem.
They may not know that one performance on one machine can't be generalized and
that that is why beta testing takes place. Just because a program works
well on one machine doesn't mean that there won't be bugs and problems on
others. So they may generalize a problem wityhout evidence. Then
others unknowingly repeat incorrect information they hear
elsewhere.
And others don't realize that they aren't aware of
certain things that JAWS does in certain contexts that NVDA doesn't do.
they never have used either screen-reader in these contexts and make sweeping
generalizations such as NVDA is the best screen-reader. There is no "best"
screen-reader. Some are better in some contexts and some in
others.
Villifying one screen-reader is not helpful to
people who may be discouraged from trying or using it when it would meet their
needs better. -----
Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about
NVDA Lying and spreading misinformation that is false
but might be able to scrape by with claims that it is the opinion of VFO that
the major developer leaving will hurt NVDA is unethical and reprehensibal.
But people love to hate JAWS and much more calumny has been spread about JAWS
throughout its history than it has spread. I've seen lots of it over the
years.
If VFO is spreading false information, this should
be counteracted. But in the big picture, let's keep perspective.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about
NVDA -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 10:53 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA VFO has no interest in people having a choice.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
ely.r@...
No, We are working towards developing the wherewithal to be seeking grant money or support from our state agency. I have taught classes in the past, but thanks to the library, I was paid and no one was charged. That is how we are likely to start this year, but this second trial will allow us to use what we learn to refine the approach.
However things are done, such programs need to be sustained and sustainable. My generation will be about for the next thirty years or so. Looking at the one coming behind us, the statistics are even more grim about vision loss.
Thanks for asking. If you have ideas or suggestions, please share them here or outside the list. Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Are you saying you will ask people to pay you for instruction? That's fine. I don't think you mean to pay for NVDA since it is free. If you are asking them to contribute that's fine, but what are you saying?
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: ely.r@... Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
There is a new group of adults who will be wanting to continue their computer access. They are the wave of "senior boomers." It is an entire generation who though they did not "grow up" using technology, have adapted pretty well to it. The statistics regarding vision loss in that population are staggering. Many of those people have PCs at home.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Antony Stone
Sarah: Thank you for the further description and information about the
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situation you were in. It's always a pity when organisations choose the technology solution (or vendor) first, and then look at the budget second (thereby eliminating the chosen solution with no option to consider an alternative), rather than looking at what's availavle do what's needed and then consider the functionality + cost in combination. Maybe NVaccess should have a dual-licensing model (like many open source projects use), which means you can use the software for free, or you can pay for it and get a support contract just like you expect to have with closed source proprietary software. Antony.
On Thursday 19 July 2018 at 01:11:29, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
[Edited Message Follows] --
I'm not impossible, just highly implausible. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?
Jackie
ctrl d also opens the dial pad.
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On 7/18/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi --
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe Jackie McBride Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time https://brighter-vision.com
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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
Have a look down the bottom you can quickly jump down by B for buttons until you get to use dial pad then arrow down. There will be 4 tabs there one is chats then press the enter key on it then arrow down. it will have chats there old and new from people.
I would have to have a look under contacts and see if you can get the chat stuff from that person as well.
hope this helps.
Gene nz
On 7/19/2018 8:18 AM, Mark wrote:
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