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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Eleni & List:

You do not have to use a touch screen to have a smart Phone.

Motorola makes smart phones with an actual keypad and so does Blackberry.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

It does not matter to me if something is popular, as long as it is accessible.
Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that they would use
What works for me? I am not going to use something that works horribly to
please everyone else. I do not need stereo recording, as long as the sound is
Clear. I usually avoid echo cancellation and noise suppression, as I prefer
Omnidirectional microphones which capture everything, a and which have a
Good, full sound. I am used to everything from records to mp3 at no more
Than 128 kbps and sometimes less, so I do not need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Team talk to prevent it from being
Extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying WhatsApp, but I don't know how well the
Web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although I got it to
Work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy felt transferring. I hate dealing with Windows Explorer in
Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. I wish this one feature
existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it was not designed for that purpose. I
think Team talk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between Team Talk and Team Speak?

I don't own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do use a
Hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I would not use it for talking, as it
uses many data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad
you cannot use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team
speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo
channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around
with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have to be mobile with it so am curious
on how it will handle that. I have many rural areas that get
excellent HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a
Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff
on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to
the devil AKA MS. V 4X had great audio. MS broke it.

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*Subject:* Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 - Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for
voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't
have. I have used zoom, and I see zero difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster, I would use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what
I said. The audio is crap.

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*Subject:* Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It is not zoom quality but I can
understand what’s being said, and if I can do my job still I'll take
it. I actually love skype and I do use it on my podcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>>
wrote:

The audio quality is crap. Team Talk is better for what you want to do.

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*Subject:*Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -
I am not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted,
I do not like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great
software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their
software, especially when it is not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly. Granted, I do not really like the interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it is better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop! I tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than I liked all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-
services/skype/
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7/Microsoft-killing-skype-classic-September-1






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Re: File not found. when saving text file

Quentin Christensen
 

It sounds much more like a problem with notepad and / or locating that testing.txt file in your documents rather than anything NVDA is doing.  Since you mentioned it happened with a portable copy of NVDA, if you run a temporary copy of NVDA 2018.2.1 (from the installer, select "Continue running"), does the problem come back?  (that way you can test it before upgrading back to 2018.2.1).

If it does, could you please send me a copy of your log (ideally at debug level - press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "restart with debug logging" and enter).  Email to info@....

Since the error mentions this testing.txt file, have you ever opened or saved a file by that name?

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
Hi, Brian

What I did for to check this is removed the installed NVDA to my machine and deleted all files thoroughly. Then, run with portable but no luck.


It is kinda strange because if I am going to use an older version like 2018.1 as example I could save them with no problem. By the way, I am using Windows 10 to my other unit of laptop.Generally, not sure what the real cause of misbehaving to function.
Robert Mendoza


On 7/18/2018 10:01 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Does this only happen in notepad and noting else?

I have noticed a delay that sometimes occurs on the save dialogue actually operating, but not anything as you describe.
Seems illogical as you say as you are not actually loading anything unless something's is running that you do not know about. If you now run the later version as a portable does the effect return?
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] File not found. when saving text file


Hi,

I recently noticed strange behavior to my other machine after I got updated to stable version of NVDA 2018.2.1, when I am about to save particular file in notepad as regular text file format.it keeps me prompting me with an error
C:\Users\rbmendoza\Documents\testing.txt
File not found.

Though fact, I am just wanting to save a regular text file so, as alternative I done some troubleshooting to ensure the behavior I removed it thoroughly the 2018.2.1, reboot after then tried to installed older version of NVDA which is 2018.1 then the saving process works fine. Not sure what seems the problem for this . Hope could someone could help me for this matter. Thanks.

Robert Mendoza















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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Gene
 

One of the most common and biggest mistakes made in discussing the future is projecting from current conditions.  Under current conditions, things may look very grim for the next generation in terms of loss of some sight or blindness.  That promjection appears to completely not take into account that we are on the verge of revolutions in technology for artificial vision and stem and perhaps use of other cells for naturally restoring lost vission.  And the story repeats itself in field after field. 
 
I'm not saying that this prediction won't come true or that other dire predictions won't in other fields.  We may have disasters, economic and otherwise, that make medical progress slow dramaticallly or even perhaps stop or almost stop.  Who knows?  But you must be very suspicious of a lot of dire predictions unless you know how they are made. 
 
As for ideas I've never tried to establish programs and I don't know what is involved.  I wanted to clarify what you were doing and perhaps others will have suggestions. 
 
I might consider doing some teaching.  I'd have to think about that because I'm not sure I have the patience to do so, that is, to teach in detail starting from a person with no knowledge of Windows.  But its something to think about.  It may also be something I might propose that people who know how in my area consider setting up.  So at some point, I might ask the list for suggestions and information about how such things are done.
 
We might get more and better teachers if some sort of pay is involved and there are lots of how to considerations I know nothing about.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

No,

We are working towards developing the wherewithal to be seeking grant money or support from our state agency. I have taught classes in the past, but thanks to the library, I was paid and no one was charged. That is how we are likely to start this year, but this second trial will allow us to use what we learn to refine the approach.

 

However things are done, such programs need to be sustained and sustainable. My generation will be about for the next thirty years or so. Looking at the one coming behind us, the statistics are even more grim about vision loss.

 

Thanks for asking. If you have ideas or suggestions, please share them here or outside the list.

Rick

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Are you saying you will ask people to pay you for instruction?  That's fine.  I don't think you mean to pay for NVDA since it is free.  If you are asking them to contribute that's fine, but what are you saying?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: ely.r@...

Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

There is a new group of adults who will be wanting to continue their computer access. They are the wave of "senior boomers." It is an entire generation who though they did not "grow up" using technology, have adapted pretty well to it. The statistics regarding vision loss in that population are staggering. Many of those people have PCs at home.
I will be shortly starting classes at our local library on NVDA. I refute to teach access thinking that the cost of JAWS may well put it beyond the reach of many, particularly those on a fixed income. I will be sure to ask my students to pay something for NVDA, but pay what they can afford.

The model that helped to create WindowEyes and JAWS was a good starting point. Those products gave us the ability to show that computer use for a job was doable. We have passed that time. Computer access for anyone with vision loss should be a right, and not a right based on our income or our employer.

Like all change, there will be bumps, but products like NVDA are showing a new path to access.
Rick

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

It's probably true that most larger organisations are going to go the JAWS route, if they already have an iT department that is familiar with accessibility concerns. However, as I've done several job interviews in the last  year that require on-site tests/use of software, I can definitely say that the price tag and other issues involved in getting JAWS to work are a hurdle that companies will not cross. This is the very reason I started using NVDA more regularly in the first place; I had no choice if I was going to do those interviews. One company did try to install the 40 minute demo of JAWS and was not able to get it to work at all, though they didn't tell me the reason.

I still use both, but if I hadn't been able to obtain a cheap JAWS license from my former employer, Canada's chief "blindness organisation", I wouldn't be using JFW at all. Freedom Scientific might trash and disparage as much as they like; in the end I think their model just isn't very practical. They depend on government and corporate grants/licenses because they know that most blind individuals can't pay their exorbitant prices. I recently looked into Open Book and that thing is something like four or five times the price of a high quality mainstream OCR package. Just unbelievable.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: July 18, 2018 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:
> I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
> the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man
> at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him
> about NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy
> that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody
> will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc.
> anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job
> is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
> Brian
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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


The following link will give a idea of what skype 8 is like. it can be downloaded from the following drop box link at https://www.dropbox.com/s/sk846qaagc7yk1b/using%20skype%208%20the%20basics%20.MP3?dl=0

It covers the basics where to look to setup your mic etc and also have it automatically answer your calls etc.


It does not show how to hang up as i had no one to do it with but it can be found under the list where you call that person along with file sharing etc which is not covered or going all the way down the list. of things you can do.


It covers making a call and also deleting a contact. What is not covered as it if covered will be far longer.


There is also a written tutorial going up which should cover more but not group chats of yet.


The voice that was used was david a windows one core voice is it understandable enough?


I usually like using Gene which is a E speak voice as it is clear.


I might use it on the website or might even re record it with more in it?


In the written tutorial etc it will say like quick navigation keys etc that you can use with nvda.


Gene nz



On 7/19/2018 4:06 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of some scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol!

Go to skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com and subscribe there.

As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button and whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on keystrokes. I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might not work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.


On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

As I mentioned, I am using Skype for desktop.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi

 

Which version are you using?

 

My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.

 

 

Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like skype 8

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.

 

 

I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal

 

 





Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 07:46 PM, Gene wrote:
And others don't realize that they aren't aware of certain things that JAWS does in certain contexts that NVDA doesn't do.  they never have used either screen-reader in these contexts and make sweeping generalizations such as NVDA is the best screen-reader.  There is no "best" screen-reader.  Some are better in some contexts and some in others.
 
Villifying one screen-reader is not helpful to people who may be discouraged from trying or using it when it would meet their needs better.
This bears repeating, and repeating and repeating.  One can substitute both JAWS and NVDA with any currently extant or retired screen readers as appropriate, too.

Tool to task, and all that.
 
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looking for some good partission soft ware

Bobby Vinton
 

Hay I was wondering if you know of a good partition soft ware that works with nvda and is free?


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Gene
 

I don't know what is meant by commercial support but if programs are being used for which special teaching is required, it's a business program not widely used and the phone service staff would be unlikely to know about it, that's one case of lack.  Another would be where NVDA would have to be scripted to work with a program.  Unless there is a quick and reliable way to do that, it can't be left to volunteers or a small number of people working for pay who may have far too much to do already. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

What doesn't count as "commercial support" from
https://www.nvaccess.org/product/nvda-telephone-support ?

It's a support service, which you pay for.  I agree that the website doesn't
specify when the service is available (24x7? business hours in some timezone?
something else?) but I still think it qualifies as a commercial support service
for using NVDA.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 July 2018 at 00:54:20, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> That is actually a point, nvda is free, but there isn't such a thing as
> comercial support, there is this list and you can pay for support from
> the nvda devs themselves I think but for businesses, well thats not
> about right now maybe we need to look at this as a community to have
> some comercial support who knows.
>
> On 7/19/2018 10:28 AM, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > my employer, the city of Munich, has started to migrate from Windows to
> > Linux maybe 12 years ago. Now they are switching back to Windows because
> > they say it is the standard in the industries and in the majority of
> > companies and open source is causing problems especialy when exchanging
> > documents or other office related data. The default software on a
> > workstation for blind people, maybe 30 are working for thecity of
> > Munich, is Windows 7 with Jaws and next year it will be Windows 10
> > also with Jaws. I am working as an Linux system administrator for the
> > city of Munich and for me NVDA is the better solution, because I can
> > more easily use the textbased terminal of the 2.000 Linux servers I
> > have to take care of, but NVDA will not be the official screenreader,
> > at least not in the next years. The argument why they are still
> > prefering Jaws is that tey think they can not get commercial and
> > official support when problems occure or when special solutions are
> > needed. And indeed, I do not know a company in Germany which is
> > offering commercial support for NVDA. Maybe I should change my job and
> > set up such a company :-).
> >
> > Also in Germany the soft- and hardware which blind people need for their
> > job is payed by offical departments or job centers. Those departments do
> > only know Jaws or the other commercial solutions. They are very ofthen
> > simply not aware that there is a open source solution. But even if they
> > know, they would also say that no official companies can support the
> > blind people who are using NVDA.
> >
> > Ciao and all the best from Munich,
> >
> >    Schoepp

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Re: Questions About Internet Explorer

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

Just open your favorites with ctrl+I scroll to the website you want to remove then press the delete!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:51 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Questions About Internet Explorer

 

Hello:

Please I just want to know how to remove saved weebsites from my

favorites menu.  I can't find any option in the add to  favorites

dialog to remove them.

So, how can I go about removing them.

Secondly, how can one acess history on internet explorer.  Unlike what

you have in firefox, in which there is a history menu, there is

nothing like that in IE.  But I hear there is such a menu.  Where can

I find it.  Or how can it be accessed.

Kind regards.

From Ibrahim.

 

 

 


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Gene
 

That isn't my point.  I'm saying that people are all too quick to assume, based on insufficient evidence, that JAWS is saying things about NVDA that are beyond the standards of claims made in advertising or in, what is legally called puffing.  I'm saying that, as a point of fact, G. W. Micro had a worse record in commenting on JAWS than JAWS did toward them.  Given that fact, maybe people should be more willing to wait for meaningful evidence concerning JAWS and NVDA. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

What should GW had done instead of saying things about JAWS?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

We don't know who is responsible for these statements.  I doubt Freedom Scientific is.  They have a legal department and, sorry all you Window-eyes fans, Window-eyes advertising that came from the company itself, did more disparaging of JAWS than JAWS advertising did when they were competing. 

 

I have never seen directly disparaging comments coming from whoever owned JAWS.  Maybe it's time for people to realize that they despise JAWS and ask if that makes them too eager to believe anything they see anywhere that puts JAWS in a bad light. 

 

Those who owned JAWS did certain bad things, such as filing frivilous lawsuits against competitors.  Legal but reprehensible.  But they don't go around making patently untrue statements about the products they are competing against. 

 

I can't speak about independent vendors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:24 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

They would deserve suing on the part of NV Access, although I realise
that will never happeen...

People would sell their mother rather than give up some profit...

Che schifo! As we say here  in Italy...





Il 18/07/2018 18:21, mikolaj holysz ha scritto:
> Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor
> of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie
> leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago
> and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even
> heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that
> NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their
> motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were
> speaking the truth or merely exaggerating.
>
> This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.
>
> W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:
>> I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
>> the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man
>> at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him
>> about NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy
>> that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody
>> will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc.
>> anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job
>> is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never
>> even got mentioned!
>> Brian
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Gene
 

There is no basis for drawing such conclusions.  Does VFO have any responsibility for this or is it being done by a completely independent entity of VFO?
 
Gene
----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Well,I guess the bad influence of the toxic political environment that
exists in Western Europe and the United States is spilling over into the
product wars. It figures that a company that has become more and more
monopolistic in the past few years and which is involved in buying up
all its competitors would spread rumors about NVDA being some sort of
virus or malware.


All I can say to that is I haven't used JAWS regularly in about 6 years
now and I'm doing fine with productivity and general usage.



On 7/18/2018 12:21 PM, mikolaj holysz wrote:
> Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor
> of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie
> leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago
> and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even
> heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that
> NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their
> motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were
> speaking the truth or merely exaggerating.
>
> This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.
>
> W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:
>> I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
>> the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man
>> at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him
>> about NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy
>> that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody
>> will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc.
>> anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job
>> is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never
>> even got mentioned!
>> Brian
>>
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>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
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>> in the display name field.
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>>
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Gene
 

A demanding computer user will know more than one screen-reader or know enough about it for times when it either must be used to do something or is so advantageous for a specific use that it makes no sense to use another which you may generally like better for that purpose.  They are completely separate arguments.  I didn't say anything today about knowing more than one screen-reader.  I said that there are somethings that this or that screen-reader does much better than the one or ones you already know.  If you need to get these things done, you need to use the screen-reader that does them well, especially in an environment where efficiency is required. 
 
For some people, that will require learning another screen-reader.  For others, who already use it , it won't.
 
And in a lot of cases, learning another screen-reader, not to be an expert, but to do what you want to do, isn't the very difficult task you imply.  If you know a small number of commands, you can do a lot if you are using the same operating system.  A lot of what you do, most, actually, except when using something like Browse Mode, is working with Windows and program commands.
 
Gene
----- Originbal Message -----
And, contrary to your assertion, if you are using the same operating system with both screen-readers, or even more than two, you don't have to learn that much to do a lot.  Most of what you are doing, except for things like quick navigation commands in browse mode, are using program and Windows commands unless you are doing certain things that require you to know commands like screen review commands.  You can do a lot with a screen-reader if you know a small number of commands, speak to end, read current line, current word, etc., set the speech parameters assuming you are using speech, and a small nuumber of other things. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

I listened to the interview.  I don't think the comments were too bad.  I don't agree with him at all.  There's no comparison between voiceover and narrator for example.  It seems extreme to say that apple is merely "checking a box".  I also don't agree with his assessment of apple updates vs jaws updates.  Some things get fixed quickly.  Others do not.  That's development.  Jaws is the same way.  I don't agree that most people who have NVDA also have jaws.  That may be all well and good for gene, but most recognize that a one screen reader approach, while not covering absolutely every eventuality known to man, provides huge benefits in learning curve, performance, and in the case of NVDA, cost.  Even if some nvda users do also have a jaws on their machine, it is most likely a demonstration version.

Anyhow, he's wrong, but we all know it, and he's entitled to his opinion and we all know that too.  Eventually all the exclusivity agreements in the world won't save VFO no matter how many companies they gobble up.  Let him do his thing.  He's only got a few more years left tops.

Best,

Erik

On July 18, 2018 1:21:36 PM "Chris Chaffin" <chaffin102468@...> wrote:

Joseph,

You can find the podcast episode on this page:


Hope this helps,

Chris


On Jul 18, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all,

To Brian: we need the link to that podcast please to we can verify assertions made here.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

That’s great Devin!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

The assistive tech department here teaches NVDA, and other low-cost solutions, although iPhone is still taught for blind people, but Android is used by many low-vision people.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

-----Original Message-----
From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Cearbhall,

I have not encountered this. Do you have the option to save sent e-mail in
the "sent items" folder checked?

As others have suggested, the drafts folder is another place to check.
Pranav


Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Cristóbal
 

SO anyway, to answer my own question since it seems no one had the answer.
The actual command to answer an incoming call with Skype 8.x desktop is control plus shift plus P. This was listed in the link I provided as the command to start a call.
Still though, it seems you have to be in the Skype window to execute any of these commands. Be it answer, hang up, mute, etc. This is a rather needless annoyance since before, the hotkeys were universal no matter where you may have been in the machine.
It may seem like a minor thing, but I often work in different virtual desktops with lots of programs and windows open at the same time and having to scramble to get to the right window/desktop and then perform the action when before a simple alt plus pg up or pg down worked fine comes off as a pointless step backwards.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

ctrl d also opens the dial pad.

On 7/18/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi


Have a look down the bottom you can quickly jump down by B for buttons
until you get to use dial pad then arrow down. There will be 4 tabs
there one is chats then press the enter key on it then arrow down. it
will have chats there old and new from people.


I would have to have a look under contacts and see if you can get the
chat stuff from that person as well.


hope this helps.


Gene nz


On 7/19/2018 8:18 AM, Mark wrote:
Hi can anyone tell me how to
Read old messages from the same person Using skype 8 for desktop Mark.

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From: Sarah k Alawami<mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:06
To: Nvda List<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of
some scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol!

Go to
skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com<http://skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com/>; and subscribe there.

As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button
and whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on keystrokes.
I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the
interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might
not work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.


On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Cristóbal
<cristobalmuli@gmail.com<mailto:cristobalmuli@gmail.com>> wrote:

As I mentioned, I am using Skype for desktop.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi

Which version are you using?

My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it
also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial
for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to
accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.


Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much
like skype 8

Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You
figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it
that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already
existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t
updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it
is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.
I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.


I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i
use voip alot now.

Gene nz





On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i
-use-them-in-skype What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an
incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a basic
function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up,
mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing
something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal











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Re: possible eloquence solution

Gene
 

If you have to buy more licenses.  That's a big if and it hasn't been establishhed. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

Well

For me to even attempt to go legal with this for the price I am going to
have to pay for even vocaliser sapi, that system holds me back from buying.

Same with eloquence, there is a perfectly alegal version I can use.

The legal one has that system and that doesn't settle with me, which is
a shame, its not worth the cash if I forget to deactivate and have to
either buy more licences or something just to get it fixed, in fact its
not worth buying any code factory software if its all like this.



On 7/19/2018 4:10 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.
>
>> On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: File not found. when saving text file

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Brian

What I did for to check this is removed the installed NVDA to my machine and deleted all files thoroughly. Then, run with portable but no luck.


It is kinda strange because if I am going to use an older version like 2018.1 as example I could save them with no problem. By the way, I am using Windows 10 to my other unit of laptop.Generally, not sure what the real cause of misbehaving to function.
Robert Mendoza

On 7/18/2018 10:01 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Does this only happen in notepad and noting else?

I have noticed a delay that sometimes occurs on the save dialogue actually operating, but not anything as you describe.
Seems illogical as you say as you are not actually loading anything unless something's is running that you do not know about. If you now run the later version as a portable does the effect return?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] File not found. when saving text file


Hi,

I recently noticed strange behavior to my other machine after I got updated to stable version of NVDA 2018.2.1, when I am about to save particular file in notepad as regular text file format.it keeps me prompting me with an error
C:\Users\rbmendoza\Documents\testing.txt
File not found.

Though fact, I am just wanting to save a regular text file so, as alternative I done some troubleshooting to ensure the behavior I removed it thoroughly the 2018.2.1, reboot after then tried to installed older version of NVDA which is 2018.1 then the saving process works fine. Not sure what seems the problem for this . Hope could someone could help me for this matter. Thanks.

Robert Mendoza





Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Gene
 

Another thought or two.
 
This isn't the fault of NVDA developers or others working on the project, but I've seen many NVDA very strong proponents spread false or very questionable information about JAWS for years.  I'm not saying they know they are spreading false information.  They may have had this or that problem with JAWS and assume that it is a general problem.  They may not know that one performance on one machine can't be generalized and that that is why beta testing takes place.  Just because a program works well on one machine doesn't mean that there won't be bugs and problems on others.  So they may generalize a problem wityhout evidence.  Then others unknowingly repeat incorrect information they hear elsewhere.
 
And others don't realize that they aren't aware of certain things that JAWS does in certain contexts that NVDA doesn't do.  they never have used either screen-reader in these contexts and make sweeping generalizations such as NVDA is the best screen-reader.  There is no "best" screen-reader.  Some are better in some contexts and some in others.
 
Villifying one screen-reader is not helpful to people who may be discouraged from trying or using it when it would meet their needs better.  -----
Gene
Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Lying and spreading misinformation that is false but might be able to scrape by with claims that it is the opinion of VFO that the major developer leaving will hurt NVDA is unethical and reprehensibal.  But people love to hate JAWS and much more calumny has been spread about JAWS throughout its history than it has spread.  I've seen lots of it over the years.
 
If VFO is spreading false information, this should be counteracted.  But in the big picture, let's keep perspective. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

What is the point of all this outrage exactly? Shocking that VFO may throw some shade at a direct competitor? What? Is Microsoft supposed to tout the benefits and all the reasons why someone should switch to a Mac or a Chromebook?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

VFO has no interest in people having a choice.









Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

ely.r@...
 

No,

We are working towards developing the wherewithal to be seeking grant money or support from our state agency. I have taught classes in the past, but thanks to the library, I was paid and no one was charged. That is how we are likely to start this year, but this second trial will allow us to use what we learn to refine the approach.

 

However things are done, such programs need to be sustained and sustainable. My generation will be about for the next thirty years or so. Looking at the one coming behind us, the statistics are even more grim about vision loss.

 

Thanks for asking. If you have ideas or suggestions, please share them here or outside the list.

Rick

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Are you saying you will ask people to pay you for instruction?  That's fine.  I don't think you mean to pay for NVDA since it is free.  If you are asking them to contribute that's fine, but what are you saying?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: ely.r@...

Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

There is a new group of adults who will be wanting to continue their computer access. They are the wave of "senior boomers." It is an entire generation who though they did not "grow up" using technology, have adapted pretty well to it. The statistics regarding vision loss in that population are staggering. Many of those people have PCs at home.
I will be shortly starting classes at our local library on NVDA. I refute to teach access thinking that the cost of JAWS may well put it beyond the reach of many, particularly those on a fixed income. I will be sure to ask my students to pay something for NVDA, but pay what they can afford.

The model that helped to create WindowEyes and JAWS was a good starting point. Those products gave us the ability to show that computer use for a job was doable. We have passed that time. Computer access for anyone with vision loss should be a right, and not a right based on our income or our employer.

Like all change, there will be bumps, but products like NVDA are showing a new path to access.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

It's probably true that most larger organisations are going to go the JAWS route, if they already have an iT department that is familiar with accessibility concerns. However, as I've done several job interviews in the last  year that require on-site tests/use of software, I can definitely say that the price tag and other issues involved in getting JAWS to work are a hurdle that companies will not cross. This is the very reason I started using NVDA more regularly in the first place; I had no choice if I was going to do those interviews. One company did try to install the 40 minute demo of JAWS and was not able to get it to work at all, though they didn't tell me the reason.

I still use both, but if I hadn't been able to obtain a cheap JAWS license from my former employer, Canada's chief "blindness organisation", I wouldn't be using JFW at all. Freedom Scientific might trash and disparage as much as they like; in the end I think their model just isn't very practical. They depend on government and corporate grants/licenses because they know that most blind individuals can't pay their exorbitant prices. I recently looked into Open Book and that thing is something like four or five times the price of a high quality mainstream OCR package. Just unbelievable.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: July 18, 2018 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:
> I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
> the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man
> at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him
> about NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy
> that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody
> will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc.
> anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job
> is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> Please address personal E-mail to:-
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Antony Stone
 

Sarah: Thank you for the further description and information about the
situation you were in.

It's always a pity when organisations choose the technology solution (or
vendor) first, and then look at the budget second (thereby eliminating the
chosen solution with no option to consider an alternative), rather than
looking at what's availavle do what's needed and then consider the
functionality + cost in combination.

Maybe NVaccess should have a dual-licensing model (like many open source
projects use), which means you can use the software for free, or you can pay
for it and get a support contract just like you expect to have with closed
source proprietary software.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 July 2018 at 01:11:29, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: just edited some quirks.]

I was actually working for these companies, writing lesson plans etc on
Microsoft word. They were on surface things. I told them I would rather
use nvda, they said, no, you can use jaws. I had no choice. They train
their students with jaws. They would not even consider talking typing
teacher, they didn’t even know about it. Let’s say, I didn’t last long
even though I gave them budget and materials and cost of things they would
need for the children. They just said it would cost too much and we'll
look into it next year. They did say that I did an excellent job writing
the lesson plans and end goals for the children though, but the programs
I was going to start never took off. I probably would have done a lot
better and finished the job in half the time though had I used nvda and
word on the surface thing.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Antony Stone
<antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

What you say may be true, but I got the impression from Sarah's email
that she was not an employee in these companies, but was talking to
employers in the capacity of a trainer for assistive technologies.
--
I'm not impossible, just highly implausible.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Jackie
 

ctrl d also opens the dial pad.

On 7/18/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi


Have a look down the bottom you can quickly jump down by B for buttons until
you get to use dial pad then arrow down. There will be 4 tabs there one is
chats then press the enter key on it then arrow down. it will have chats
there old and new from people.


I would have to have a look under contacts and see if you can get the chat
stuff from that person as well.


hope this helps.


Gene nz


On 7/19/2018 8:18 AM, Mark wrote:
Hi can anyone tell me how to
Read old messages from the same person
Using skype 8 for desktop
Mark.

Tune in to the number one station on the web TAFN radio
http://tafn.org.uk/listen
Or for our catch up service on demand http://www.tafn.org.uk/on-demand
or for our upcoming weekly schedule
http://www.tafn.org.uk/radio
part of the accessible friends network
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Sent from Windows 10 Mail.

From: Sarah k Alawami<mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:06
To: Nvda List<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of some
scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol!

Go to skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com<http://skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com/>; and
subscribe there.

As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button and
whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on keystrokes.
I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the
interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might not
work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.


On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Cristóbal
<cristobalmuli@gmail.com<mailto:cristobalmuli@gmail.com>> wrote:

As I mentioned, I am using Skype for desktop.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi

Which version are you using?

My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also
the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the
desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them
automatically under calling they just have to be checked.


Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like
skype 8

Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure
for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would
work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older
versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my
main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the
accept button then press the enter key and start talking.
I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.


I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use
voip alot now.

Gene nz





On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before
MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype
What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t
believe that there isn’t one for such a basic function, but it’s not listed
in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for
answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a
shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal










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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Have a look down the bottom you can quickly jump down by B for buttons until you get to use dial pad then arrow down. There will be 4 tabs there one is chats then press the enter key on it then arrow down. it will have chats there old and new  from people.


I would have to have a look under contacts and see if you can get the chat stuff from that person as well.


hope this helps.


Gene nz



On 7/19/2018 8:18 AM, Mark wrote:

Hi can anyone tell  me how to

Read old messages from the same person

Using skype 8 for desktop

Mark.

 

Tune in to the number one station on the web TAFN radio
http://tafn.org.uk/listen
Or for our catch up service on demand http://www.tafn.org.uk/on-demand
or for our upcoming weekly schedule
http://www.tafn.org.uk/radio
part of the accessible friends network
www.tafn.org.uk
Registered UK Charity: #1108043.
Sent from Windows 10 Mail.

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:06
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of some scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol!

 

Go to skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com and subscribe there.

 

As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button and whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on keystrokes. I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might not work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.

 

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

 

As I mentioned, I am using Skype for desktop.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi

 

Which version are you using?

 

My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.

 

 

Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like skype 8

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.

 

 

I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal