Re: Onmouseover
Gene
JAWS has announced mouseover links for a long
time. No other screen=-reader I have used or tried has. I've useed
or tried System Access, Window-eyes, and NVDA. Unless mouseover links do
things that matter more than years ago, it may not matter. Most of the
time in the past, when I would use the JAWS mouseover link feature, the page
wouldn't change in any way that mattered. Those who know more about how
mouseover links are used now will be able to give a current perspective.
In order to implement a mouseover feature, just
flagging a link is inadequate. You have to have announced, when on the
link and when a command has given, whether the page has changed and at what
line. Then, you need a jump to line command so you can move to that
line. You also need a return to previous position command.
Gene
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elements on web sites. is this a good thing, and should nvda be doing the same? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Onmouseover
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I notice that the latest version of Jaws is now flagging these clickable elements on web sites. is this a good thing, and should nvda be doing the same?
Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as fifty five, etc
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Which synth are you using. I've not been able to stop it in Espeak.
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Its really irritating as we have an organisation here called VI Parliament which gets said as Roman 6 Parliament! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William" <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> To: "NVDA Groups.io mailing list email" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:02 AM Subject: [nvda] how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as fifty five, etc Hi,
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Re: NVDA uasage with Google Docs
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Do a lot of people use Googles on line suite?
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When I tried it some year or more ago, I found it sluggish, cack handed to use and a little unpredictable, indeed just like many online systems, but not as bad as the alexa app is! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA uasage with Google Docs Hi,
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Re: system cleaner
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Did you post this before? did not people say they could not get it to work with nvda?
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I think if you liked Ccleaner download the portable version and you should be safe from Avast and data mining. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 7:59 PM Subject: [nvda] system cleaner Anyone have any experiences with a system cleaner called BleachBit?
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how to force nvda not to anounce XX as twenty, LV as fifty five, etc
Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
Hi,
whenever NVDA come across something as LV CD XX XXX XXX etc will processed as numbers where I want to stop such process, how would I be able to do that? Thanks, William
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Re: Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes I imagine the restriction on number of operations is to discourage bot systems, but in fact, I'm sure there are ways around it.
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One has to say though, why bother. If twitter cannot make money except by restrictive practices, let them go to the wall. brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients that work well with NVDA? For you devs out there here is what else will brake in September, September 10 to be exact. New Twitter limits coming on September 10. https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/new-developer-requirements-to-protect-our-platform.html On 19 Aug 2018, at 16:16, Lino Morales wrote: John. I’m sure that will still work TW Blue, Open Tween, etc. still
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Re: Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
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For the moment yes, but remember the stated aim is to not allow third party clients, and if they really want support the costs to them and us will make it prohibitive.
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I often wonder if that although it would be resource hungry and much slower in action if screenscraping and auto operation via the web site might not be possible. but as I say, the need for such a boring service seems to be of little use to me. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients that work well with NVDA? Well the new changes just mean no streaming.
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Re: Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
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Well as the ultimate stated objective of Twitter is to stop all clients being used, maybe its time to lobby twitter to add to their native site and apps the features the third party clients had.
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Surely this has to make sense for commercial reasons. if they want the whole cake so they can sell you stuff, then they should provide the same features or all the third parties will get together and support a different chat system than Twitter and that will be bad for Twitter. I can say what I like as I always did hate the attitude of Twitter and never use it. Proper chronological sorting in the way you want it, and auto refresh are it seems the main things folk wanted, and both are being phased out of the API. Surely they must eventually support it themselves? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 6:32 PM Subject: [nvda] Twitter clients that work well with NVDA? Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.
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Re: [nvda-addons] Some comments about possible add on problems
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Fine Joseph, but how would anyone know to actually look. My understanding of logging levels is that the actual messages flagged in audio is not altered. I always run in debug, so all levels of logging are shown in the log, but really unless the average user who uses snaps with add ons religiously looks at the log every time they run nvda, they would be totally unaware of any warnings, as they make no sound at all.
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That was the main thrust of my comments. It seems to me that during the next year or so the transitions that nvda will go through will render a lot of add ons non functional or they will make nvda malfunction. Without some way to test the add ons for errors in alpha and better snaps, they will not be seen and hence suddenly, a user might have to uninstall it. Far better in my view to suffer a unique warning sound for debug warnings and then see what has changed. I obviously do not know if one can actually identify an error warning generated by an add on from an nvda core warning, but if one can it would be very useful I think for the feet on the ground, aspect of testing compatibility. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> To: <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>; <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvda-addons] Some comments about possible add on problems Hi,
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Re: NVDA uasage with Google Docs
David Moore
Hi, Press Alt+Shift+F To open the file menu, and arrow to the right to get to the other menus. If you just press Alt+F, for example, it activates the browser menu bar, but you want to activate the Google Docs menu bar. Pressing Alt+Shift+E, will open the edit menu, for example. So, you just add the Shift to open the Docs file! David Moore
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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 3:06 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA uasage with Google Docs
When in Google Docs regardless the browser, be it Chrome, Firefox, etc, how when in the body typing along of a document do you access the doc's menu bar instead of the main browser menu bar? Isn't it F10? I'm just trying to remember.
Please send your responses to me privately, or I won't see them within a prompt manor, as I'll have to then wait until tomorrow, being I'm on digest mode, and have already today gotten my daily digest of the list. My e-mail address is:
clgilland07@...
That should be a link in most e-mail clients. Simply hit enter on it, and you should be good to go.
Chris.
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Re: info about math
Quentin Christensen
The best way currently, is with MathPlayer from Design Science. The player is free, but for creating, from memory, you also need MathType, which isn't free, but there is a free demo which is enough for what you need to make it work with NVDA. The link for Design Science is: http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/ And the section of our User Guide with more info is: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ReadingMath The equation editor which is built into Microsoft Office isn't currently accessible, and we recommend using MathPlayer at this time for Word etc. Kind regards Quentin.
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Re: Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
Kwork
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Yep, this could break a few more apps. I remember
when something flagged TWBlue as bad, so new accounts couldn't be authorized for
a while, and tweets broke. After sept, when's the next breakage? I imagine the
day of the third party app to be limited. Chicken Nugget is already breaking.
Yea me for not paying!
Travis
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients that work well with
NVDA? For you devs out there here is what else will brake in September, September 10 to be exact. New Twitter limits coming on September 10. https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/new-developer-requirements-to-protect-our-platform.html On 19 Aug 2018, at 16:16, Lino Morales wrote:
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Re: Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
For you devs out there here is what else will brake in September, September 10 to be exact. New Twitter limits coming on September 10. https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/new-developer-requirements-to-protect-our-platform.html
On 19 Aug 2018, at 16:16, Lino Morales wrote:
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Re: Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
Inam Uddin
Dear, people are having the problem of authorization of their twitter account that’s why I have advised using TWBlue! With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID: Charlsdarwin1
You can contact me via gmail: outlook: yahoo: Add my Skype ID: Follow me on my twitter ID: Call me on my cell numbers: +92-334-3348409
From: Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:16 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
John. I’m sure that will still work TW Blue, Open Tween, etc. still work even your other 3rd party apps on other platforms such as IOS still work. Only thing you won’t get unless you use the official Twitter on IOS is push notifications. Streaming Tweets are gone, but you’ll still receive them every couple of minutes.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of John Isige <gwynn@...>
Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter
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Re: Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
Gerardo Corripio
Try TwBlue; I’e been using it since it first came out, with NVDA, and works great with NVDAA! Good luck!
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El 19/08/2018, a la(s) 12:32 p. m., John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> escribió:
Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.
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Re: Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
Lino Morales
John. I’m sure that will still work TW Blue, Open Tween, etc. still work even your other 3rd party apps on other platforms such as IOS still work. Only thing you won’t get unless you use the official Twitter on IOS is push notifications. Streaming Tweets are gone, but you’ll still receive them every couple of minutes.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of John Isige <gwynn@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 1:32:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Twitter clients that work well with NVDA? Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter
clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.
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Re: Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?
Well the new changes just mean no streaming.
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I do use nugget for tweats, and to check things when away and for direct messages. But I check the main twitter site daily and while I don't always get everything for that day I get enough of it that I am fine.
On 8/20/2018 5:32 AM, John Isige wrote:
Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.
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Re: academics and employment
Well its the nature of it.
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Anyone can use it, so potential is always there. That doesn't mean with comercial software thats not the case, but opensource compaired to the old systems is still new, the older software models existed way before the net and while some industries, music, books and to some extent film have switched over or at least accept the digital age, emulation, and a few other industries are trying to find where to go some industries do not. Opensource is accepted to an extent but its not complete. People are a bit more warey of stuff they are not used to especially if anyone can get access to it. Companies have never liked that idea long before the net came into being. They still don't like that idea, and in the future they probably still won't. And to be honest, dropping security for something else, well who knows. The unknown is our greatest fear so. Chances are that the small to medium sized businesses, charities, and organisations may try, they don't have much to loose, the big guys, governments and big companies, enterprises, etc may accept a change but have a lot to lose, so they won't immediately change, doesn't mean they are not thinking about it. Way before nvda was accepted generally, I was talking to a friend who was a distributer of dolphin products. While nvda was not acknowledged by them it was accepted, even noted as something that could become big certainly they were aware of its existance. The issue with some of the big guys is that even if they were able to say, no to something or yes to another thing, to move forward immediately probably souldn't be done. So what we have is the public face of it. Just because someone says no, it doesn't me no, never, it could be no, not right now, for all you know its something to watch, maybe later, maybe not, it all depends. There was a talk about security and encription in the news. Its a given that the police and others may need access to our private information, moniter what we do and spy on all our data. But to get that sort of access, keys and other things would have to be given, back doors and dumb downs would have to be added into encription for those agencies to access our stuff. The fact is its a good idea. But the other end of this stick is that we all know that its not. Companies often seem to loose mis issue or otherwise security keys and certifficates thats why we have all those expired or dropped things, people do drop their keys. The fact that the keys are out there could potentially mean someone will find them, get them, sell them, drop them, etc. Then you have a security problem. There is not a right or wrong here but what do you accept. For a company, I'd imagine the safest approach, it may be the crappiest most expensive approach, it may not make sence, they may be even better approaches, but the fact is that those are unknown, or not used well enough. Who knows. Point is there is always going to be a small disconnect between the free/opensource and others. And nothing is actually free, really. Weather its adds, or something like opencandy, weather its sourceforge model where malware is part of the stuff, subscriptions, donations, etc, someone has to pay.
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Re: The Essential Video Recorder
George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
If enter and/or spacebar will not click the buttons, how about routing the mouse pointer and left clicking?
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From: Nevzat Adil Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:19 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] The Essential Video Recorder Greetings everyone, I recently downloaded from Microsoft website the Essential Video Recorder, but I have not been able to use it with NVDA. I pressed enter on start recording button but did not work. Other buttons did not function, either. Has anyone of you tried it? I would appreciate your comments. Nevzat
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