Hi,
whenever NVDA come across something as LV CD XX XXX XXX etc will processed as numbers where I want to stop such process, how would I be able to do that?

Thanks,
William

Hi,
Press Alt+Shift+F
To open the file menu, and arrow to the right to get to the other menus. If you just press Alt+F, for example, it activates the browser menu bar, but you want to activate the Google Docs menu bar.
Pressing Alt+Shift+E, will open the edit menu, for example.
So, you just add the Shift to open the Docs file!
David Moore

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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 3:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA uasage with Google Docs

When in Google Docs regardless the browser, be it Chrome, Firefox, etc,
how when in the body typing along of a document do you access the doc's
menu bar instead of the main browser menu bar? Isn't it F10? I'm just
trying to remember.


Please send your responses to me privately, or I won't see them within a
prompt manor, as I'll have to then wait until tomorrow, being I'm on
digest mode, and have already today gotten my daily digest of the list.
My e-mail address is:


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That should be a link in most e-mail clients. Simply hit enter on it,
and you should be good to go.


Chris.

Anyone have any experiences with a system cleaner called BleachBit?

John. I’m sure that will still work TW Blue, Open Tween, etc. still
work even your other 3rd party apps on other platforms such as IOS
still work. Only thing you won’t get unless you use the official
Twitter on IOS is push notifications. Streaming Tweets are gone, but
you’ll still receive them every couple of minutes.



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10



________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of John
Isige <gwynn@tds.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 1:32:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?

Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter
clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not
be
updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with
NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue
and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I
don't
have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there
though, so figured I'd better ask.

Well the new changes just mean no streaming.

I do use nugget for tweats, and to check things when away and for direct messages.

But I check the main twitter site daily and while I don't always get everything for that day I get enough of it that I am fine.



On 8/20/2018 5:32 AM, John Isige wrote:

Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.



.

Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.

Hi,
The best method right now is to use NVDA with log level set to debug
warning, which should be done by add-on authors themselves. I used this
method to catch last-minute wxPython 4 deprecation warnings and wrote fixes
in NVDA Core.
To help add-on authors and users become aware of issues with future NVDA
releases, I propose a community-wide outreach campaign. This campaign should
inform add-on authors and third-party NVDA developers of what's coming in
future NVDA releases, especially when we do transition to Python 3. This
outreach campaign should also be used to inform users as to what to expect
with NVDA and add-ons in the future, as well as provide a way to let folks
report issues with add-ons that causes issues and warnings to be logged in
NVDA log. Lastly, the community should be given a chance to maintain
orphaned add-ons in preparation for future NVDA Core changes (orphaned
add-ons are those that are no longer maintained by their authors).
For reviewers: once start of Python 3 transition is declared, I propose that
we offer Python 3 compatibility as part of optional reviews package, and
then do compatibility checks as part of basic review once NVDA fully
transitions to Python 3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 4:06 AM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda-addons] Some comments about possible add on problems

It is noted that although no errors of the audio alert kind occur on beta
and alpha snaps for error warnings about add ons that seem to be suggesting
that code is being deprecated and will not be supported, or indeed the
syntax is incorrect.
So as most people will not notice these as they are silent, who is
reporting the possible issues, and where are they reporting them to?
is there a central clearing site for add ons?
Also it did occur to me that folk who might rely on some add ons might need
an audible warning of a potential issue on a future version of nvda, so
maybe a well publicised add on for nvda which allows add on errors to be
flagged audible might be an idea now. it will be too late when the new code
mucks it up.
I'm assuming that these warnings are just that at the moment, ie, since the
add ons seem to be still doing what they do.
The two I've noted thus far are the sound schemes on and mp3 direct cut,
but since there has been no audio warning, I'd have no idea the warnings
existed and neither would anyone else as they are just warnings and hence
silent.


I'm sure the authors would be glad of such a facility to monitor the
problems coming up, as nobody is going to study the complexities of the
changing code in nvda all the time.
Lastly as in most of the error warnings I've seen suggestions are made for
what to do to fix them, some bright person might like to make an auto
correction tool. OK pi in the sky.. Pun intended.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
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Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

When in Google Docs regardless the browser, be it Chrome, Firefox, etc,

how when in the body typing along of a document do you access the doc's

menu bar instead of the main browser menu bar? Isn't it F10? I'm just

trying to remember.

Please send your responses to me privately, or I won't see them within a

prompt manor, as I'll have to then wait until tomorrow, being I'm on

digest mode, and have already today gotten my daily digest of the list.

My e-mail address is:

clgilland07@...

That should be a link in most e-mail clients. Simply hit enter on it,

and you should be good to go.

Chris.

John. I’m sure that will still work TW Blue, Open Tween, etc. still work even your other 3^rd party apps on other platforms such as IOS still work. Only thing you won’t get unless you use the official Twitter on IOS is push notifications. Streaming Tweets are gone, but you’ll still receive them every couple of minutes.

 

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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 1:32:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Twitter clients that work well with NVDA?

 

Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter
clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be
updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with
NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue
and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't
have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there
though, so figured I'd better ask.

John. I’m sure that will still work TW Blue, Open Tween, etc. still work even your other 3^rd party apps on other platforms such as IOS still work. Only thing you won’t get unless you use the official Twitter on IOS is push notifications. Streaming Tweets are gone, but you’ll still receive them every couple of minutes.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.

Hi all. Due to the changes in Twitter, I might have to change Twitter clients. I'm using Chicken Nugget but rumor has it that it might not be updated. So anybody got a recommendation for a client that works with NVDA and works with the new Twitter changes? I hear a lot about TWBlue and Tween. Ideally I'd like something pretty close to Nugget so I don't have to learn a ton of new stuff. I have no idea what's out there though, so figured I'd better ask.



.

Hi!
Personally, I find it weird how persistent the fairy tale about open source
software being insecure turns out to be, especially when it comes to screen
readers. Is the constitution of the United States insecure because anyone
can read it? I can download it and publish my own wildly edited copy but
that would not put it into effect for anyone because everyone knows where
the original can be found. On the other hand, if the original were hidden
from citizens but still applied in court then would that not place people
at the risk of arbitrary judgment? Similarly, don't we all take enormous
leaps of faith every time we use software which only a select few can
inspect? I pose that a closed-source environment is the perfect hiding
place for malware if it behaves inconspicuously enough. I'm not implying
that any particular software contains malware. I'm just making an abstract
statement following my own logic because I don't get why so many people
arrive at a different conclusion. They can't all have been brainwashed. ;)
Best,
Felix

Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student) <mewx8b@mail.umsl.edu> schrieb am So.,
19. Aug. 2018 um 05:55 Uhr:

Thank you for sharing this! In my humble opinion, you did an excellent
job. I am a developer in my early career. I am very familiar with GitHub.
Thank you for sharing, for those of us who are not.



Mike



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *hurrikennyandopo
...
*Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:37 PM


*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] academics and employment



hi



Go to the following link at https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

there are both alfa snap shots as well as beta ones They pretty much say
what the alfa ones are and the beta ones are what will go into nvda when it
is released.



I started writing up how to report a issue to nvaccess and where to go to
do it but not finished.



you also need to have a git hub account to report a ticket and the steps
etc.



I was wondering if it may of been better just recording audio of where to
go and what to expect when you go to do it not sure.



What was written i will post below. I should really go back and finish it.


The basics of making a ticket for NVACCESS



From time to time you might need to report a bug to be fixed. Before you
report the bug ask others on the list if they are getting the same results
as you. NVACCESS will need as much information as possible so they can fix
the problem.
Where to go to issue a bug to be fixed





If you are a user of the NVDA screen reader whether you use the next snap
shot alpha code, the Master snap shot beta code or the stable version of
NVDA that is released to the public, if you come across a bug it can be
reported at the following web page at
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues



Getting a Git hub account or simply signing in



To report any issues to be fixed you must have a Git Hub account. .

If you do not have a Git Hub account you will need to go to the sign up
link then press the enter key. It will ask you for a user name, email
address, password and once done locate the create a account button then
press the space bar or enter key for it to be created.

If you already have a account it is just a matter of locating the sign in
link and entering your details to log into git hub.




After you have signed into git hub





After you have signed into git hub to report an issue on your page you
will have some links and buttons and headings. Do not worry about most of
them. The first button is a search button, the second a create new button,
the third a view profile and more button, and a sign out button. You will
need to look for a new issue button this is found under the sign out button
then press the enter key so a ticket can be created.

Before making a new issue you should do a search to see if a ticket has
already been made. If this is the case you might be able to reply on
another ticket if it matches the problems you are having.

If one can not be found then you would create a new issue.
Searching for an issue on git hub





Before you report a issue/bug report to NVACCESS you will need to do a
search to see if anyone else has reported the bug. If one cannot be found
then you will need to open a new issue. This is a button.

Press the ENTER key to do this.


A More direct link to make a ticket





If you have already signed up to git hub a more direct link to where you
can make a ticket can be found at
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



You can arrow through the page to see all the sections.



As you go down the page you will hear the following.

This may depend if you arrow down the page or jump down by buttons. If you
jump down by buttons you will hear the following. For example add header
text button, add bold text button, add italic text button, insert a quote
button, insert code button, add a link button, add a bulleted list button,
add a numbered list button, add a task list button, insert a reply button,
Directly mention a user or team, Reference an issue or pull request, browse
button, submit new issue button.

In most cases you will not be Inserting a reply to a Directly mention a
user or team

Reference an issue or pull request unless you are replying to a ticket.





You may find it easier to arrow through rather than use single letter
navigation keys to get all of the information.


Single letter navigation keys that can be used in browse mode



You can use B for buttons, K for links, E for edit areas and F for form
fields .



They will need to know the following in the header text edit area what the
issue is. For example



Under the ### Steps to reproduce:

A list of the steps you take to demonstrate the problem.
Example:
1. Open Chrome
2. Browse to www.google.com
3. Type "Hello"
4. Notice an error sound when enter is pressed.

Please also remember to attach a zip of any files required to reproduce

the issue.



### Expected behavior:

Tell us what should happen.

### Actual behavior:

Tell us what happens instead.

They will also need to know the NVDA version whether it is a
next-14027,c80e529f

Snap shot, or a master snap shot with its version number. Also whether it
is a portable or installed version of NVDA.

Other information



They may need other information such as if it was > Example: Running in a
VM



Windows version:

Example: Windows 10 Version 1607 Build 14393.1066

### Other questions:



Does the issue still occur after restarting your PC?



Have you tried any other versions of NVDA?

Please list them and the result

Browse…

No files selected.

Attach files by dragging & dropping, selecting them, or pasting from the
clipboard.



Under this section would be where you would post your NVDA log.



Make sure under the general settings in NVDA it is set to Logging level:
debug



If you are lucky some one on the list might do the ticket for you but you
will need to copy and paste the log into the email as attachments are
blocked on the list.





After you have filled in the information that that they require locate the
submit new issue button and your ticket will be created.
Please note





For NVACCESS to try and track down any bugs to be fixed you need to have
the steps to recreate the problem you are having. Make sure your Logging
level: is set to debug is set under the General settings in NVDA. You can
also obtain the log which it produces from the Tool.. view log section in
NVDA. A log will be produced after you press the enter key on the view log
menu. Press the ALT key until a menu drops down then arrow down to you hear
NVDA say save log as then press the ENTER key. NVDA will default to the
file name then it is a matter of tabbing until you hear a location to save
the file to as the Desk top then shift/tabbing back to the save button
then pressing the enter key on the save button.



A much quicker way to get to your NVDA log is by pressing the NVDA key
+f1key , CTRL then +letter A to select all

characters, ctrl+c to copy, & then pasting CTRL key + letter V into a
email to send. Or it's in

c:\users\username\AppData\local\temp\nvda.log, which u can just

attach. If you have to restart NVDA, then it's in

c:\users\username\appdata\local\temp\nvda-old.log.



You cannot add attachments to a email only paste in the contents of the
log. A attachment can be posted to a ticket.





For more information on using Git Hub with a screen reader which goes
beyond making a ticket please go to the following link at
http://bats.fyi/2016/08/19/mastering-github-with-a-screen-reader-part-1/





Gene nz











On 8/19/2018 10:55 AM, Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student) wrote:

Where do I go to learn more about becoming an NVDA beta tester? Thanks.



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On
Behalf Of *hurrikennyandopo ...
*Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] academics and employment



Hi



Is that not why they have people do beta testing etc in jaws etc as well
to iron out stuff like that. So that would only be people who have jaws.



As you would already know nvaccess do have people test the alfa and beta
snapshots to iron out problems before a stable is released. Some might slip
through from time to time but will be fixed. Unless it can be re produced
by other people the problem it might not get fixed for a while.



Gene nz





On 8/19/2018 10:08 AM, Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student) wrote:

Thank you for sharing your insights on this! They were a pleasure to read.
I like to read and write a lot. I do not mind reading long messages.



When I generalized about JAWS, I was being informal. I should have asked
the group not to take my advice as solid proof. Overall, it sounds like
what we really need to do is have a large group of people reproduce the
exact steps that cause JAWS to crash, and if it is consistent on that large
number of machines, we need to use a debugger and log files to step through
the app or site JAWS is crashing on when it happens, document it, and send
that report to Freedom Scientific.



The conclusion I drew from what you wrote, overall, is that nothing is
perfect. I use the tools that will solve the problem along the way, and
suggest improvements as I go.



Mike



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On
Behalf Of * Gene
*Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:02 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] academics and employment



This message is rather long. You may or may not want to read it all. I
hope you find it interesting and useful.



Others may be able to give you an answer or some sort of guide about a
good sample size. I don't have any formal answer. Intermittent or not, if
there is a performance problem on only one machine that is known, it can't
be generalized to be a problem that affects a lot of or most machines
without more information. I never say the person isn't having the problem
unless I know the cause and it isn't what is being claimed but off and on,
when someone generalizes about a performance problem because they have it,
I say that it hasn't been demonstrated that it is a general problem.



Recently, a member said they had the same problem on two or three
computers. Ssince the problem occurred in a very popular application and
no one had reported it on any list I follow except him, I surmised and
said, not as a definite conclusion, but as, what I consider to be a likely
state of affairs, that the person had done the same thing on all those
machines, installed or uninstalled the same program or something, whatever
it might be that caused the problem on all machines. I use the nature of
the problem, if I've seen it reported by others, and other factors, if they
seem relevant, but my main point is that I see people generalize about a
product by saying how terrible it is because of a performance problem on
their machine and generalization can't be done.



As far as the announcement of visited links is concerned, I believe that
is true, that it can't be turned on or off. But not to use a screen-reader
because of one tiny behavior like that is, in my opinion, absurd.



If someone is that bothered by visited link announcement, delete browsing
history. That's what visited links are determined by. The information is
stored in browsing history and turning it off will cause all links to be
shown as unvisited.



Second, if you tab through links, or use the letter k to move just by
links, you will hear the link spoken and visited spoken afterword. This is
another example of where NVDA should be user customizable. You should be
able to turn off visited as an announcement but further, you should be able
to set NVDA to announce visited before or after a link and it should be
consistent no matter how you move through links.



As I said yesterday, it might be a good idea to have a small group convene
and consider and get input from users about how NvDA should be made more
customizable. In this respect, you also can't adjust when other controls
are heard, do you want to hear button or combo box or check box, for
example, before or after you hear the text announced.



I haven't used System Access enough for a long time to know how it may
have changed in more recent years. Regardless, it simply is more limited
than NVDA on the Internet and in general. It wasn't developed to be a
powerful screen-reader, it was intended to be powerful enough to meet less
demanding users' needs at a time when there were no or no decent
considerably lower price alternatives to JAWS and Window-eyes whereas NVDA
is intended to be a much more powerful screen-reader



Take one example, the simulated mouse in System Access is much less
capable. there are times when you must use the simulated mouse to activate
a link or control. But you often can't do it using the System Access
mouse, at least that is my recollection. And talk about annoyances, the
simulated mouse in System Access is programmed to make a horrible
nerve-grating noise when you click it. What were they thinking? In my
opinion, that noise is much more disgusting and annoying than hearing the
word "visited" when I don't want to.



On the other hand, years ago, I used one or two web sites that couldn't be
used to perform their main function when other screen-readers were used. I
could use a link or control to perform an essential action that wouldn't
work with another screen-reader. Also, on this or that page, System Access
would read changes that occurred on the page, not where I was working when
I would take an action and that was essential because I wouldn't have known
that the page had changed otherwise even if I could have read the new
material. And it would have been ridiculously inefficient to look around
the page every time I guessed that it might have changed somewhere.



There is no one ideal screen-reader and I strongly feel that not using a
screen-reader because of this or that small or tiny behavior is absurd.
Such behaviors may be annoying but it's a classic example of the cliché
about a mountain out of a molehill.



Gene

Gene----- Original Message ---------- Original Message -----

*From:* Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student) <mewx8b@mail.umsl.edu>

*Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:57 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] academics and employment



I believe in using whatever resources are at my fingertips, in any given
situation. If I come across an inaccessible app at work, I am not going to
have the time to program out a fix for it, plus do the programming I do as
part of my job, and meet the deadline.



The reason my friend uses System Access and not NVDA is that he claims
with NVDA, you cannot turn off the announcement of visited and unvisited
links.



Also, Gene, you were talking about sample size and testing software
earlier. What is an accurate sample size for testing an intermittent
problem? When JAWS crashes on the machines I used, it is intermittent. I
wish they taught us more about troubleshooting intermittent problems in
school. It is a skill that I have much room for growth in.



Mike



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:51 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] academics and employment



System Access isn't nearly as powerful as NVDA but it works with web pages
differently. While this generally doesn't matter in terms of accessibility
of web pages, at times it does. So it's good to have as a resource. But
you don't have to install it. Try System Access to Go. As a once in
awhile resource, it may be useful.

You used to have to use System Access to Go with Internet Explorer. I'm
not sure now, though I believe that in order to use the talking feature
that speaks when you open the web site, you still may.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student) <mewx8b@mail.umsl.edu>

*Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:34 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] academics and employment



I had a problem with System Access where it totally locked up my computer
when I installed it. I may have to retry. My friend keeps wanting me to try
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment

Hi, Mike,

One time I had to fill out a survey for Hadley School and NVDA didn't see
all the different fields for typing in information so I used system access
to go. With system access to go, I was able to complete the survey.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment

Rosemarie, I am also context sensitive when it comes to screen readers.
NVDA meets most of my needs. Where it does not, I use JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 12:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment

Hi, Chris,

Yes, it appears from what I read that Gene prefers Jaws over NVDA. We all
have the right to our own opinions. We should be able to agree to disagree.
After all, that's what life is all about--differing viewpoints. I used
Jaws for years and both Jaws and NVDA are great programs. NVDA serves my
needs very well.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] academics and employment

THis really has nothing to do with the current conversation, but I have to
ask.
Since when did human society degrade to such a point that people cannot
have different viewpoints on issues.
I happen to agree with Michael that I do like NVDA better than JAWS.
THat is not to say JAWS is a bad product. I just prefer NVDA over JAWS.
Jean, it appears that you prefer JAWS over NVDA. That's cool to. Can't we
just agree to disagree?"