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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Sky Mundell
That’s great Devin!
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:49 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
The assistive tech department here teaches NVDA, and other low-cost solutions, although iPhone is still taught for blind people, but Android is used by many low-vision people. On Jul 18, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:
Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet! I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Devin Prater
The assistive tech department here teaches NVDA, and other low-cost solutions, although iPhone is still taught for blind people, but Android is used by many low-vision people.
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Re: Lost the pound sign
Chris
Hitting windows+spacebar will change keyboard language
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 July 2018 16:46 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign
I'd not know how this could be changed accidentally. Would she be likely to have system restore on and be able to go back to a couple of days ago, or is it off in 10 by default. Even then, I'm not sure it has any effect on the installed keyboard language. i have had issues in the past with word deciding to use American english templates for documents for no good reason which really fouls up the spell checker big time!
Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign
> It sounds like your computer has switched from thinking it has a UK > keyboard > layout (which has a pound sign on shift-3) to a US layout (which has a > hash > symbol on shift-3, and is often read as "number"). > > To confirm this, what do you get by pressing shift-2? > > A UK layout will give you double quote marks; a US layout will give you an > "at" sign. > > > Antony. > > On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 16:18:29, Sakina wrote: > >> Dear Gene and friends, >> Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my people >> app. I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure it >> out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be happy >> doing it manually. For now I am cutting and pasting the address in the to >> field. >> Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I always >> used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign. Now when I >> press shift key and number 3 it keeps saying number. >> I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board as I >> am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do. I will >> greatly appreciate any help. >> Always thanking you all >> Sakina > > -- > If you were ploughing a field, which would you rather use - two strong > oxen or > 1024 chickens? > > - Seymour Cray, pioneer of supercomputing > > Please reply to the > list; > please *don't* CC > me. > > >
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Re: Lost the pound sign
Chris
Ok try this
Windows key+spacebar
This should switch the keyboard language to uk English, which I believe you wanted
From: Sakina
Sent: 18 July 2018 15:42 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign
Friend, For 7 years I have been using the same keyboard. It I am sure is not US keyboard. Since last night, it always did the proper action. When I just want letter 3 it gave and still gives letter 3 And used to with shift key give me # pound sign But now when I need pound sign instead it says number. Sakina Letter 3 by itself.
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From: Chris via Groups.Io
That’s odd, mine says pound sign as it should I guess you are using US keyboard layout rather than the UK keyboard
From: Ian Blackburn
When the computer says the word number in that situation it means the pound sign
Dear Gene and friends, Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my people app. I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure it out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be happy doing it manually. For now I am cutting and pasting the address in the to field. Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I always used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign. Now when I press shift key and number 3 it keeps saying number. I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board as I am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do. I will greatly appreciate any help. Always thanking you all Sakina
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Sky Mundell
Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or merely exaggerating. This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS. W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze: I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
I've used NVDA over two years and can't be happier with it. It's extremely snappy and supports what I use very well. The screen review modes do take some adjusting to but well worth it as it beats throwing down $100 for upgrades. This doesn't sound like much but it is if you aren't employed and have other home expenses.
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Nice job NV!
On 7/18/2018 12:03 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Lost the pound sign
Antony Stone
This is not true on a UK keyboard.
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Antony.
On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:00:10, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Pound is number sign. So you did not lose it. --
Please apologise my errors, since I have a very small device. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
It's probably true that most larger organisations are going to go the JAWS route, if they already have an iT department that is familiar with accessibility concerns. However, as I've done several job interviews in the last year that require on-site tests/use of software, I can definitely say that the price tag and other issues involved in getting JAWS to work are a hurdle that companies will not cross. This is the very reason I started using NVDA more regularly in the first place; I had no choice if I was going to do those interviews. One company did try to install the 40 minute demo of JAWS and was not able to get it to work at all, though they didn't tell me the reason.
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I still use both, but if I hadn't been able to obtain a cheap JAWS license from my former employer, Canada's chief "blindness organisation", I wouldn't be using JFW at all. Freedom Scientific might trash and disparage as much as they like; in the end I think their model just isn't very practical. They depend on government and corporate grants/licenses because they know that most blind individuals can't pay their exorbitant prices. I recently looked into Open Book and that thing is something like four or five times the price of a high quality mainstream OCR package. Just unbelievable.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz Sent: July 18, 2018 12:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or merely exaggerating. This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS. W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze: I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Mallard
They would deserve suing on the part of NV Access, although I realise that will never happeen...
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People would sell their mother rather than give up some profit... Che schifo! As we say here in Italy...
Il 18/07/2018 18:21, mikolaj holysz ha scritto:
Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or merely exaggerating.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
mikolaj holysz <miki123211@...>
Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or merely exaggerating.
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This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS. W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:
I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Mallard
Couldn't agree more. But human stupidity is hard to crack... lol
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Ciao, Ollie
Il 18/07/2018 18:03, Sarah k Alawami ha scritto:
Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Question About New Add-on And Wx4
Hi, Depends. If your add-on relies on wxPython and/or GUI components, then yes, I advise working with alpha snapshots (perhaps as a portable copy). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Homme
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:06 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Question About New Add-on And Wx4
Hi, With Joseph’s announcement about WX4, if I want to start a new add-on that uses one of the NVDA dialogs, do I need to get an NVDA snapshot? If so, how do I run that and keep everything separate from stable NVDA?
Thanks.
Jim
========== Jim Homme Product Manager Digital Accessibility Bender Consulting Services 412-787-8567 https://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions People with disabilities, access job openings at https://www.benderconsult.com/careers/job-openings
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Re: possible eloquence solution
I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.
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Re: possible eloquence solution
I actually have my 1 core voices at about maybe 80 percent and the nvda voice at 60. No one else can understand it but me. I do slow it down on my my streams though to be nice but the voices are fast and very understandable for lack of a better term.
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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?
Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of some scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol! Go to skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com and subscribe there. As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button and whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on keystrokes. I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might not work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.
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Question About New Add-on And Wx4
Jim Homme
Hi, With Joseph’s announcement about WX4, if I want to start a new add-on that uses one of the NVDA dialogs, do I need to get an NVDA snapshot? If so, how do I run that and keep everything separate from stable NVDA?
Thanks.
Jim
========== Jim Homme Product Manager Digital Accessibility Bender Consulting Services 412-787-8567 https://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions People with disabilities, access job openings at https://www.benderconsult.com/careers/job-openings
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.
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On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Lost the pound sign
Pound is number sign. So you did not lose it.
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Re: Lost the pound sign
Antony Stone
I am not suggesting that your keyboard itself has changed - I suggested that
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what your computer thinks the layout of the keyboard is has changed. My girlfriend regularly uses a computer whigh has a UK keyboard, but Windows is deliberately set to German keyboard layout, so she gets the German symbols when she presses keys which happen to have something else written on the keytops. Being blind, she doesn't care what's written on the keytops, and neither does the computer - it just thinks "I've been told I have a German keyboard layout, therefore those are the symbols you get when you press keys". I ask again, what do you get when you press shift-2? Double quotation marks would indicate a UK layout; at-sign would indicate a US layout. Regards, Antony.
On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 16:42:10, Sakina wrote:
Friend, --
Why is "dylexia" so difficult to spell, and why can I never remember "aphasia" when I want to? Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Lost the pound sign
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I'd not know how this could be changed accidentally. Would she be likely to have system restore on and be able to go back to a couple of days ago, or is it off in 10 by default. Even then, I'm not sure it has any effect on the installed keyboard language. i have had issues in the past with word deciding to use American english templates for documents for no good reason which really fouls up the spell checker big time!
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign It sounds like your computer has switched from thinking it has a UK keyboard
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