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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Shaun Everiss
 

Well when I was in university some time back I tried to use another screen reading package, jaws they said was the only thing they could use because it was safe and the rest like nvda or others could be a problem.

They were not familiar with the packages other than jaws.

And despite all the security on their systems I was told, they couldn't moniter all systems constantly.

Ofcause with the number of lost flash sticks and the like it gets a bit hard.

Every 6 months, or so, all computers including servers and on site backups were destroyed and recreated from a basic set of tools.

So a reformat fixed everything, it was interesting to me, this did tell me that bigger is not always better secure is fine but you can't moniter everything.

That would go for business to.

People don't necessarily have the time to learn every package, probably only a few and now with all the technical stuff outsourced its even worse.

Especially with the echonomic situation and shortages about.

A family member working in business got scanned from a phone scam because she was waiting for a tech to fix something that never happened, the tech came the next day and apologised to not being there on time because of another issue.

What I am trying to say, is that people and things can't be everywhere, and even if it all works the variables from malware to software, etc can get in the way.

We allready see what security software, bgt and other things like virtual recorder, false alarms and such can do to accessibility now imagine that on a large scale.

At home even for admin I work  with a subset of packages.

Excluding my over 100 games, my own music solution, all the runtimes, and such.

If I leave out all that, I have about 10 packages I use daily.

And taking out  things I don't use a lot about 6 different packages from pdfs, to brousing to music, to email, to cleaning, to cd creation and extraction to archives.

Out of that, archives, web and email pluss cleaning junk files packages are what I most use so4-5 programs if I include messenging and other things.

Now to switch to another subset of packages is hard but for someone say a business to do that is a problem its why I keep all my packages on all thetworks the same if I can help it.

New things take time to learn and in today's world especially thats not always going to be the case.

On 7/19/2018 8:30 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
It could be security, agreed, but I'm interested in what companies say in
actual conversation, more than in speculation about what we think they might
say.

Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 22:26:57, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well it could be security, support is one thing but security, opensource
can be a touchy subject especially round secured things.

The other thing, industry standards, jaws has been a standard
accessibility thing for ages its probably why its continuing at all,
people trust it, if its accessible with jaws then its accessible with
everything.

Sadly though, jaws, and maybe the other comercial readers are an old
generation, all of their stuff was needed when things were not so easy.

Now nvda, is built mostly using what is there and there is a entire lot
of that.

A lot of the older things relied on their own resources because windows
until recently didn't previde all that much, and now it does.

But all the resources and stuff, well once you are built up to rebuild
takes more effort than to continue as you are.

On 7/19/2018 8:16 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".

What is their reasoning behind this?

Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is
inferior, or what?

I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source"
which makes them say they don't like it.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8
years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and
they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to
install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my
services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it
up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using
freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best
experience and getting better on a daily basis.
Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Antony Stone
 

What you say may be true, but I got the impression from Sarah's email that she
was not an employee in these companies, but was talking to employers in the
capacity of a trainer for assistive technologies.

Therefore I think the conversations she had may have had a different basis from
your average "worker bee", as you say.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 22:32:38, Rob Hudson wrote:

Well if you are just a worker bee, the company is not required of going to
bother to explain themselves to you. You get told, no, and you just have
to accept it. If you don't like it, too bad, there's the damn door, find
another job. The company doesn't care. That's been my experience anyway.
And since it is generally harder for blind or otherwise disabled people to
find jobs, they have no choice but to accept what the company gives them.
And you can bet the companies know that. We hired you, now show some
appreciation by shutting up and not making any waves.
Antony Stone wrote:

It could be security, agreed, but I'm interested in what companies say in
actual conversation, more than in speculation about what we think they
might say.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Antony Stone
 

In my experience the bundling of unwanted extras with the software you thought
you were installing is far more prevalent with closed source proprietary
software than it is with open source software.

However, that said, I'm still looking for actual opinions expressed by
companies who reject using open source for whatever reason, more than I'm
interested in people's opinions here on why we think they might not like it.

Thanks,


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 22:30:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Another thing with opensource is people like sourceforge and sadly other
software that is free bundle things with x software, that could be
malware its a problem there, everyone wants to advertise and people want
to block it and so it goes round and round.

Before it got popular in new zealand I was talking with my friend well a
friend that worked as the dolphin distributor that is blind he doesn't now.

Even while some of these companies may not acknowledge something like
nvda externally they do internally recognise the competition.

My friend said this himself that while publically dolphin were doing
what they needed to do and were the best at the time they did
acknowledge the competition so, my point the public face is not all of it.

On 7/19/2018 8:20 AM, JM Casey wrote:
It's usually security concerns, I think. "open source" means the
developers don't protect their code and thus it can be easily hacked.

And yes, I am well aware of the obvious counter-argument to this. But
unless you're already working for the company in a capacity that would
cause them to listen to your advice, that's not going to make a lick of
difference.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: July 18, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".

What is their reasoning behind this?

Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is
inferior, or what?

I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source"
which makes them say they don't like it.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8
years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and
they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to
install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my
services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it
up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using
freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best
experience and getting better on a daily basis.
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If you want to be happy for a year, get married.
If you want to be happy for a lifetime, get a garden.

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Re: Questions About Internet Explorer

Gene
 

To turn on history, the command is control h.  I'm not sure if that command toggles it off.  If it doesn't, escape may move you back to where you were.  command toggles it off, as well.
 
In any cases like this, when you want to find how to take an action, such as delete a favorite and it isn't where you are looking, such as in the favorites menu, move to a favorite.  Open the context menu.  Look through the context menu.  you'll find delete.
If you listen to everything spoken when you get to delete and don't interrupt speech by doing something first, you will hear the letter d spoken  That's the shortcut.  So in future, you can open the context menu and press d.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Questions About Internet Explorer

Hello:
Please I just want to know how to remove saved weebsites from my
favorites menu.  I can't find any option in the add to  favorites
dialog to remove them.
So, how can I go about removing them.
Secondly, how can one acess history on internet explorer.  Unlike what
you have in firefox, in which there is a history menu, there is
nothing like that in IE.  But I hear there is such a menu.  Where can
I find it.  Or how can it be accessed.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.
Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Rob Hudson
 

Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
It could be security, agreed, but I'm interested in what companies say in
actual conversation, more than in speculation about what we think they might
say.

Well if you are just a worker bee, the company is not required of going to bother to explain themselves to you. You get told, no, and you just have to accept it. If you don't like it, too bad, there's the damn door, find another job. The company doesn't care. That's been my experience anyway. And since it is generally harder for blind or otherwise disabled people to find jobs, they have no choice but to accept what the company gives them. And you can bet the companies know that. We hired you, now show some appreciation by shutting up and not making any waves.
Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Shaun Everiss
 

Another thing with opensource is people like sourceforge and sadly other software that is free bundle things with x software, that could be malware its a problem there, everyone wants to advertise and people want to block it and so it goes round and round.

Before it got popular in new zealand I was talking with my friend well a friend that worked as the dolphin distributor that is blind he doesn't now.

Even while some of these companies may not acknowledge something like nvda externally they do internally recognise the competition.

My friend said this himself that while publically dolphin were doing what they needed to do and were the best at the time they did acknowledge the competition so, my point the public face is not all of it.

On 7/19/2018 8:20 AM, JM Casey wrote:
It's usually security concerns, I think. "open source" means the developers don't protect their code and thus it can be easily hacked.

And yes, I am well aware of the obvious counter-argument to this. But unless you're already working for the company in a capacity that would cause them to listen to your advice, that's not going to make a lick of difference.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: July 18, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".

What is their reasoning behind this?

Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is inferior, or what?

I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source" which makes them say they don't like it.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8
years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they
say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda
on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t
want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like
open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s
stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting
better on a daily basis.
Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Antony Stone
 

It could be security, agreed, but I'm interested in what companies say in
actual conversation, more than in speculation about what we think they might
say.

Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 22:26:57, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well it could be security, support is one thing but security, opensource
can be a touchy subject especially round secured things.

The other thing, industry standards, jaws has been a standard
accessibility thing for ages its probably why its continuing at all,
people trust it, if its accessible with jaws then its accessible with
everything.

Sadly though, jaws, and maybe the other comercial readers are an old
generation, all of their stuff was needed when things were not so easy.

Now nvda, is built mostly using what is there and there is a entire lot
of that.

A lot of the older things relied on their own resources because windows
until recently didn't previde all that much, and now it does.

But all the resources and stuff, well once you are built up to rebuild
takes more effort than to continue as you are.

On 7/19/2018 8:16 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".

What is their reasoning behind this?

Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is
inferior, or what?

I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source"
which makes them say they don't like it.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8
years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and
they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to
install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my
services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it
up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using
freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best
experience and getting better on a daily basis.
--
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but at the end of the day the size of the crowd at your funeral
will be largely dictated by the weather.

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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Shaun Everiss
 

That and opensource devs can not always be contacted easily.

I have used youtube dlg, its nice version 038 is but everything after that is not accessible.

Tried to contact the dev, never got a responce so 038 is the version I must use which is fine but still.

On 7/19/2018 8:20 AM, JM Casey wrote:
It's usually security concerns, I think. "open source" means the developers don't protect their code and thus it can be easily hacked.

And yes, I am well aware of the obvious counter-argument to this. But unless you're already working for the company in a capacity that would cause them to listen to your advice, that's not going to make a lick of difference.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: July 18, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".

What is their reasoning behind this?

Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is inferior, or what?

I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source" which makes them say they don't like it.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8
years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they
say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda
on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t
want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like
open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s
stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting
better on a daily basis.
Re: Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply

Antony Stone
 

That sounds plausible - a simple check would be: does a message also disappear
if you read it but don't reply to it?


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 22:24:40, Mike Sedmak wrote:

Any chance you have a filter active that would only show unread messages?

On 7/18/18, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi all,

Lately, I am mystified as to where emails disappear to after I reply to
them. I have just written a reply to an email which I received a few
minutes ago. When I completed the reply Ans sent the message off, I found
that the original email has disappeared. If it were deleted I would expect
to find it in my Deleted Items folder but it is not there!

Is this an NVDA problem or an Outlook problem?

I am using Outlook 365 with Windows 10

Microsoft Windows Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165)

NVDA Version: 2018.2.1
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Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".

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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Shaun Everiss
 

Well it could be security, support is one thing but security, opensource can be a touchy subject especially round secured things.

The other thing, industry standards, jaws has been a standard accessibility thing for ages its probably why its continuing at all, people trust it, if its accessible with jaws then its accessible with everything.

Sadly though, jaws, and maybe the other comercial readers are an old generation, all of their stuff was needed when things were not so easy.

Now nvda, is built mostly using what is there and there is a entire lot of that.

A lot of the older things relied on their own resources because windows until recently didn't previde all that much, and now it does.

But all the resources and stuff, well once you are built up to rebuild takes more effort than to continue as you are.

On 7/19/2018 8:16 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".

What is their reasoning behind this?

Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is inferior,
or what?

I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source" which
makes them say they don't like it.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8
years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they
say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda
on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t
want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like
open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s
stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting
better on a daily basis.
Re: Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply

Mike Sedmak
 

Any chance you have a filter active that would only show unread messages?

On 7/18/18, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:
Hi all,



Lately, I am mystified as to where emails disappear to after I reply to
them. I have just written a reply to an email which I received a few
minutes
ago. When I completed the reply Ans sent the message off, I found that the
original email has disappeared. If it were deleted I would expect to find
it
in my Deleted Items folder but it is not there!



Is this an NVDA problem or an Outlook problem?



I am using Outlook 365 with Windows 10

Microsoft Windows

Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165)

NVDA Version: 2018.2.1



All the best,



Cearbhall



m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie
Re: Questions About Internet Explorer

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Same goal but with less steps which works in Windows 10 and probably 7 as well.
Type windows key + r to open the run dialog box.
Type "favorites" and hit enter.
You will now be in the favorites folder for your user account.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: July 18, 2018 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions About Internet Explorer

What I do is to go to your C drive in Windows Explorer and enter on it. Go to the folder called Users, and enter on it. Go to the folder that bears the computer name. mine says Andy. Enter on that and go to the folder named Favorites. Enter on that and you will see a list of your IE favorites.
Simply delete the ones you no longer want.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Questions About Internet Explorer


Hello:
Please I just want to know how to remove saved weebsites from my
favorites menu. I can't find any option in the add to favorites
dialog to remove them.
So, how can I go about removing them.
Secondly, how can one acess history on internet explorer. Unlike what
you have in firefox, in which there is a history menu, there is
nothing like that in IE. But I hear there is such a menu. Where can
I find it. Or how can it be accessed.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.
Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Shaun Everiss
 

Well if I was told I could have anything I wanted as long as it was from vfo depending on the limit, I think I would get it.

Jaws, a braille display or 2, extras like that.

On 7/19/2018 8:11 AM, Andy wrote:
When I worked for the VA they had a sweetheart contract with VFO. You could have any AT you wanted as long as it came from VFO.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA


Oh come on. I’ve not ben using  freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff  and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis.

On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Gene
 

More inaccurate disparagement.  Check the price of Kurzweil 1000.  Check the price of any specialized, complex program for any market with a small customer base compared with the price of JAWS, Openbook, and other products. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

It's probably true that most larger organisations are going to go the JAWS route, if they already have an iT department that is familiar with accessibility concerns. However, as I've done several job interviews in the last  year that require on-site tests/use of software, I can definitely say that the price tag and other issues involved in getting JAWS to work are a hurdle that companies will not cross. This is the very reason I started using NVDA more regularly in the first place; I had no choice if I was going to do those interviews. One company did try to install the 40 minute demo of JAWS and was not able to get it to work at all, though they didn't tell me the reason.

I still use both, but if I hadn't been able to obtain a cheap JAWS license from my former employer, Canada's chief "blindness organisation", I wouldn't be using JFW at all. Freedom Scientific might trash and disparage as much as they like; in the end I think their model just isn't very practical. They depend on government and corporate grants/licenses because they know that most blind individuals can't pay their exorbitant prices. I recently looked into Open Book and that thing is something like four or five times the price of a high quality mainstream OCR package. Just unbelievable.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: July 18, 2018 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:
> I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
> the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man
> at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him
> about NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy
> that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody
> will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc.
> anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job
> is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
>
>
>







Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Sky Mundell
 

What should GW had done instead of saying things about JAWS?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

We don't know who is responsible for these statements.  I doubt Freedom Scientific is.  They have a legal department and, sorry all you Window-eyes fans, Window-eyes advertising that came from the company itself, did more disparaging of JAWS than JAWS advertising did when they were competing. 

 

I have never seen directly disparaging comments coming from whoever owned JAWS.  Maybe it's time for people to realize that they despise JAWS and ask if that makes them too eager to believe anything they see anywhere that puts JAWS in a bad light. 

 

Those who owned JAWS did certain bad things, such as filing frivilous lawsuits against competitors.  Legal but reprehensible.  But they don't go around making patently untrue statements about the products they are competing against. 

 

I can't speak about independent vendors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:24 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

They would deserve suing on the part of NV Access, although I realise
that will never happeen...

People would sell their mother rather than give up some profit...

Che schifo! As we say here  in Italy...





Il 18/07/2018 18:21, mikolaj holysz ha scritto:
> Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor
> of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie
> leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago
> and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even
> heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that
> NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their
> motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were
> speaking the truth or merely exaggerating.
>
> This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.
>
> W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:
>> I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
>> the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man
>> at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him
>> about NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy
>> that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody
>> will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc.
>> anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job
>> is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never
>> even got mentioned!
>> Brian
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

It's usually security concerns, I think. "open source" means the developers don't protect their code and thus it can be easily hacked.

And yes, I am well aware of the obvious counter-argument to this. But unless you're already working for the company in a capacity that would cause them to listen to your advice, that's not going to make a lick of difference.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: July 18, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".

What is their reasoning behind this?

Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is inferior, or what?

I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source" which makes them say they don't like it.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8
years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they
say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda
on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t
want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like
open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s
stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting
better on a daily basis.
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Re: Questions About Internet Explorer

Andy
 

What I do is to go to your C drive in Windows Explorer and enter on it. Go to the folder called Users, and enter on it. Go to the folder that bears the computer name. mine says Andy. Enter on that and go to the folder named Favorites. Enter on that and you will see a list of your IE favorites. Simply delete the ones you no longer want.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Questions About Internet Explorer


Hello:
Please I just want to know how to remove saved weebsites from my
favorites menu. I can't find any option in the add to favorites
dialog to remove them.
So, how can I go about removing them.
Secondly, how can one acess history on internet explorer. Unlike what
you have in firefox, in which there is a history menu, there is
nothing like that in IE. But I hear there is such a menu. Where can
I find it. Or how can it be accessed.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.
Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Mark <mark@...>
 

Hi can anyone tell  me how to

Read old messages from the same person

Using skype 8 for desktop

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:06
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of some scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol!

 

Go to skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com and subscribe there.

 

As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button and whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on keystrokes. I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might not work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.

 

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:21 AM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

 

As I mentioned, I am using Skype for desktop.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi

 

Which version are you using?

 

My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.

 

 

Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like skype 8

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.

 

 

I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal

 

 

 

 

 
Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Antony Stone
 

You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".

What is their reasoning behind this?

Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is inferior,
or what?

I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source" which
makes them say they don't like it.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8
years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they
say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda
on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t
want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like
open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s
stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting
better on a daily basis.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Gene
 

We don't know who is responsible for these statements.  I doubt Freedom Scientific is.  They have a legal department and, sorry all you Window-eyes fans, Window-eyes advertising that came from the company itself, did more disparaging of JAWS than JAWS advertising did when they were competing. 
 
I have never seen directly disparaging comments coming from whoever owned JAWS.  Maybe it's time for people to realize that they despise JAWS and ask if that makes them too eager to believe anything they see anywhere that puts JAWS in a bad light. 
 
Those who owned JAWS did certain bad things, such as filing frivilous lawsuits against competitors.  Legal but reprehensible.  But they don't go around making patently untrue statements about the products they are competing against. 
 
I can't speak about independent vendors.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

They would deserve suing on the part of NV Access, although I realise
that will never happeen...

People would sell their mother rather than give up some profit...

Che schifo! As we say here  in Italy...





Il 18/07/2018 18:21, mikolaj holysz ha scritto:
> Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor
> of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie
> leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago
> and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even
> heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that
> NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their
> motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were
> speaking the truth or merely exaggerating.
>
> This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.
>
> W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:
>> I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in
>> the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man
>> at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him
>> about NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy
>> that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody
>> will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc.
>> anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job
>> is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never
>> even got mentioned!
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>>
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