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Re: Lost the pound sign

Antony Stone
 

It sounds like your computer has switched from thinking it has a UK keyboard
layout (which has a pound sign on shift-3) to a US layout (which has a hash
symbol on shift-3, and is often read as "number").

To confirm this, what do you get by pressing shift-2?

A UK layout will give you double quote marks; a US layout will give you an
"at" sign.


Antony.

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 16:18:29, Sakina wrote:

Dear Gene and friends,
Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my people
app. I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure it
out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be happy
doing it manually. For now I am cutting and pasting the address in the to
field.
Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I always
used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign. Now when I
press shift key and number 3 it keeps saying number.
I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board as I
am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do. I will
greatly appreciate any help.
Always thanking you all
Sakina
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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Cristóbal
 

As I mentioned, I am using Skype for desktop.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi

 

Which version are you using?

 

My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.

 

 

Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like skype 8

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.

 

 

I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal

 

 


Re: Lost the pound sign

Ian Blackburn
 

When the computer says the word number in that situation it means the pound sign



On 18 Jul 2018, at 10:18 pm, Sakina <sakina.gable@...> wrote:

Dear Gene and friends,

Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my people app.

I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure it out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be happy doing it manually.

For now I am cutting and pasting the address in the to field.

Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I always used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign.

Now when I press shift key and number 3 it keeps saying number.

I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board   as I am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know  what to do.

I will greatly appreciate any help.

Always thanking you all

Sakina

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Lost the pound sign

Sakina
 

Dear Gene and friends,

Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my people app.

I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure it out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be happy doing it manually.

For now I am cutting and pasting the address in the to field.

Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I always used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign.

Now when I press shift key and number 3 it keeps saying number.

I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board   as I am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know  what to do.

I will greatly appreciate any help.

Always thanking you all

Sakina

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: File not found. when saving text file

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Does this only happen in notepad and noting else?

I have noticed a delay that sometimes occurs on the save dialogue actually operating, but not anything as you describe.
Seems illogical as you say as you are not actually loading anything unless something's is running that you do not know about. If you now run the later version as a portable does the effect return?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Mendoza" <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] File not found. when saving text file


Hi,

I recently noticed strange behavior to my other machine after I got updated to stable version of NVDA 2018.2.1, when I am about to save particular file in notepad as regular text file format.it keeps me prompting me with an error
C:\Users\rbmendoza\Documents\testing.txt
File not found.

Though fact, I am just wanting to save a regular text file so, as alternative I done some troubleshooting to ensure the behavior I removed it thoroughly the 2018.2.1, reboot after then tried to installed older version of NVDA which is 2018.1 then the saving process works fine. Not sure what seems the problem for this . Hope could someone could help me for this matter. Thanks.

Robert Mendoza



Re: possible eloquence solution

Josh Kennedy
 

Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods. 


Re: NVDA vs. Narrator: NVDA still wins.

 

As I'm on Windows 7, NVDA all the way for me.

On 7/18/18, Joshua O'Brien <joshbrn004@gmail.com> wrote:
Porting bookmarks, cookies and history from Chrome to Firefox and back
again (stable versions) works great. Then just port Waterfox from one
of them. Be sure to install several browser variants so you can do
that. I'm sure it will work.

On 7/17/18, The Wolf <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:
I couldn't get it to save my book marks in the respective folder no
matter how many times I told it to this is one of the huge huge reasons
why I don't use water fox of course if I can rfix this issue then I
would go back to water fox

Hank



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I'm using water fox inwindows 7, its so much faster toopen pages than
Firefox.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA vs. Narrator: NVDA still wins.


Hi,

Try Narrator with Chrome.  I find firefox is officially awful now.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: 17 July 2018 02:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA vs. Narrator: NVDA still wins.

So I listened to a very nice podcast about one of the new Narrator
features on the Insiders build, the start guide. I fired up Narrator,
just to see what it was like. Opened Firefox, and Narrator pretty much
wouldn't read or navigate a site, Youtube as it happens. Popped NVDA
back on, and it worked just fine.


Not to turn this into a Narrator thread, but does Narrator only work,
or mostly work, with Microsoft apps? I periodically test Narrator
because it's there so why not? Plus Windows is integrating it more,
e.g. you can supposedly install 10 from scratch using Narrator,
Narrator in safe mode, and so on. I figure that makes it worth getting
familiar with if for no other reason than I'll know how to use it when
it's the thing I'll need to use. But it's gonna be hard to become
familiar with it if it doesn't work with chunks of the stuff I use. Is
there a Narrator list or something, like this list basically? I tried
looking around for something like "using Microsoft narrator with
Firefox", but I just get stuff about using Narrator generally or
occasional reviews of using older versions of Narrator.


I'm thankful Microsoft is making accessibility a bigger priority and
giving us things like installation and safe mode, well I've never
really tried either but you know, I'm glad they're there if something
comes up.
But for me, Narrator's nowhere near NVDA. I know some people have
implied that it is, and I'm not trying to make this a fight or anything.
So I'm sort of trying to find out, you know does all of this great
functionality come from sticking solely to Microsoft's stuff? Because
I don't get the hype. I can't imagine using it as my primary screen
reader for any length of time. People say it's getting closer to
things like NVDA. But for me, I just don't see it. Am I missing
something? Because right now I think my dream scenario would be NVDA
from power on, or as close as it could be managed.












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Re: NVDA vs. Narrator: NVDA still wins.

 

Porting bookmarks, cookies and history from Chrome to Firefox and back
again (stable versions) works great. Then just port Waterfox from one
of them. Be sure to install several browser variants so you can do
that. I'm sure it will work.

On 7/17/18, The Wolf <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:
I couldn't get it to save my book marks in the respective folder no
matter how many times I told it to this is one of the huge huge reasons
why I don't use water fox of course if I can rfix this issue then I
would go back to water fox

Hank



On 7/17/2018 4:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm using water fox inwindows 7, its so much faster toopen pages than
Firefox.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA vs. Narrator: NVDA still wins.


Hi,

Try Narrator with Chrome.  I find firefox is officially awful now.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: 17 July 2018 02:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA vs. Narrator: NVDA still wins.

So I listened to a very nice podcast about one of the new Narrator
features on the Insiders build, the start guide. I fired up Narrator,
just to see what it was like. Opened Firefox, and Narrator pretty much
wouldn't read or navigate a site, Youtube as it happens. Popped NVDA
back on, and it worked just fine.


Not to turn this into a Narrator thread, but does Narrator only work,
or mostly work, with Microsoft apps? I periodically test Narrator
because it's there so why not? Plus Windows is integrating it more,
e.g. you can supposedly install 10 from scratch using Narrator,
Narrator in safe mode, and so on. I figure that makes it worth getting
familiar with if for no other reason than I'll know how to use it when
it's the thing I'll need to use. But it's gonna be hard to become
familiar with it if it doesn't work with chunks of the stuff I use. Is
there a Narrator list or something, like this list basically? I tried
looking around for something like "using Microsoft narrator with
Firefox", but I just get stuff about using Narrator generally or
occasional reviews of using older versions of Narrator.


I'm thankful Microsoft is making accessibility a bigger priority and
giving us things like installation and safe mode, well I've never
really tried either but you know, I'm glad they're there if something
comes up.
But for me, Narrator's nowhere near NVDA. I know some people have
implied that it is, and I'm not trying to make this a fight or anything.
So I'm sort of trying to find out, you know does all of this great
functionality come from sticking solely to Microsoft's stuff? Because
I don't get the hype. I can't imagine using it as my primary screen
reader for any length of time. People say it's getting closer to
things like NVDA. But for me, I just don't see it. Am I missing
something? Because right now I think my dream scenario would be NVDA
from power on, or as close as it could be managed.












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https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y





Re: IMPORTANT MILESTONE REACHED: wxPython 4 makes the cut to master/alpha snapshots and beyond, Project Heliopolis development phase is finished

Cleverson Casarin Uliana
 

Hello, just to congratulate everyone who orked on this.

Greetings,
Cleverson


Re: possible eloquence solution

 

Espeak used to be good. but Espeak NG is trash to the extent that
they're messing up language pronounciations that worked better before
they edited them. Chinese being one such example of this even to a non
Chinese Speaker.
That synth is pure filth and speaks of low grade quality. This is why
Jaws succeeded due to Eloquence. Dectalk often sounds like someone's
talking with their lips close together. I'd actually say festival is a
better synth. I wish it was used more and developed.

On 7/18/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Espeak is good enough, it reminds me of the keynote and its quite good.

Bar my phone eloquence never interested me, nuance actually tried to
write a 16 bit eloquence, but I doubt bar improving the quality of the
voices, so you hear a 8 bit synth digitally orgmented to a 16 bit one,
which just sounds crappy because it is obvious that the convert doesn't
sound right at all.

Dectalk is another, but to be honest, orpheus1 was my prefered synth,
after that, espeak the first one.

Vocaliser and realspeak were my synths of choice and if I hadn't pulled
that off a server a friend had ages ago I would never have any advanced
tts, they are just to expensive for sapi.

At least the third party stuff is.

But the robotic crap while not good for reading its low resource and
quite usefull for just about everything else.

The higher non crappy stuff is fine for reading but put it on a slower
system, and its almost not even worth running it long term.




On 7/18/2018 7:09 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak
is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain
Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use
a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason,
mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that
I don't want.


I can't win.



On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up.
So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the
same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease
of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and
download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s
and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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File not found. when saving text file

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi,

I recently noticed strange behavior to my other machine after I got updated to stable version of NVDA 2018.2.1, when I am about to save particular file in notepad as regular text file format.it keeps me prompting me with an error
C:\Users\rbmendoza\Documents\testing.txt
File not found.

Though fact, I am just wanting to save a regular text file so, as alternative I done some troubleshooting to ensure the behavior I removed it thoroughly the 2018.2.1, reboot after then tried to installed older version of NVDA which is 2018.1 then the saving process works fine. Not sure what seems the problem for this . Hope could someone could help me for this matter. Thanks.

Robert Mendoza


Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

I'd like the tutorial for the win10 app myself to.

While all the menus are the issue, if we knew all the shortcuts I could still use it, my issue ofcause access wize is even in skype 7 I rarely needed to really use all of it.

The phone, the contacts, the chat feature and reading history.

Happy it can be saved though I always found that part of skype 7 a real chore, especially if you got into the add pain then all your access keys never worked till you pulled out of it.

If its a true web app maybe it won't be as bad.

On 7/18/2018 8:51 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Brian


The skype 8 program was downloaded from skype.com and i grabbed the
skype 8 desk top version to see what it was like.


So it replaced my version 7.4 of skype.


The new version is more web based it lookes like and is quite easy to
navigate etc. you just need to work out where stuff appears when you
open stuff.


The tutorial for the basics is almost finished. There might be some
other stuff i might add to it?


I still have the skype app on my windows 10 machine that is the one
where you do more tabbing etc.

It is more like the other apps on Windows 8 and 10.


The web version of skype is done through your browser and is web based
so it is pretty much like the skype 8 desk top program.

It is meant to work with a few different browsers it is like in a web
page only it is a program like the skype 8 desk top program.


The skype 8 desk top program i might even just do a audio over view of
what it is like where to go in the program to find different sections
like accepting calls automatically etc along the lines of the tutorial i
am writing up.



So have i confused a few people now?


Gene nz





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Is this the one being dumped in September for this mobile like looking
jobby?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand"
<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi


Which version are you using?


My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it
also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial
for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to
accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.



Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much
like skype 8


Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You
figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it
that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already
existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t
updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it
is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.




I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i
use voip alot now.



Gene nz









On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short
cut keys from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype
What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t
believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not
listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but
nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really
not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal











Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

Well, portable means portable I guess.

So web apps should work, the net works at any rate, basic admin tasks, etc but yes a lot of extras need installed versions at least anything that needs admin access.

On 7/18/2018 8:37 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I also add here. If you want to use a portable version of NVDA you will find it very much better on windows 7 than 10, simply because they use UIA a lot more and that needs you to be a user of the machine, ie somebody wityh install rights and all of that to use it. Portable versions often struggle in places in 10 where it just works in 7.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 7:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess


Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.







Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


The skype 8 program was downloaded from skype.com and i grabbed the
skype 8 desk top version to see what it was like.


So it replaced my version 7.4 of skype.


The new version is more web based it lookes like and is quite easy to
navigate etc. you just need to work out where stuff appears when you
open stuff.


The tutorial for the basics is almost finished. There might be some
other stuff i might add to it?


I still have the skype app on my windows 10 machine that is the one
where you do more tabbing etc.

It is more like the other apps on Windows 8 and 10.


The web version of skype is done through your browser and is web based
so it is pretty much like the skype 8 desk top program.

It is meant to work with a few different browsers it is like in a web
page only it is a program like the skype 8 desk top program.


The skype 8 desk top program i might even just do a audio over view of
what it is like where to go in the program to find different sections
like accepting calls automatically etc along the lines of the tutorial i
am writing up.



So have i confused a few people now?


Gene nz

On 7/18/2018 8:12 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Is this the one being dumped in September for this mobile like looking
jobby?
Brian

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<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi


Which version are you using?


My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it
also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial
for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to
accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.



Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much
like skype 8


Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You
figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it
that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already
existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t
updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it
is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.




I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i
use voip alot now.



Gene nz









On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short
cut keys from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype
What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t
believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not
listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but
nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really
not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal










Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

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Could I also add here. If you want to use a portable version of NVDA you will find it very much better on windows 7 than 10, simply because they use UIA a lot more and that needs you to be a user of the machine, ie somebody wityh install rights and all of that to use it. Portable versions often struggle in places in 10 where it just works in 7.
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Subject: [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess


Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.


Re: nvda and app windows not closing

 

Well ofcause the issue with the running apps bar especially may mean stuff thats pinned the bar can also show running apps.

On 7/18/2018 8:15 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just that though, I've noticed even in windows 7, even if the app appears to be closed, a look at running  applications and processes often will still show them in the list but using very little memory and no processor time. I have a theory that its to enable quicker starting the next time you call them.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing


Hi,

That’s because universal apps are not really “closed” when you press Alt+F4 – they are suspended, hence these windows will show up via object navigation.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:29 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing



HI,

If I run some apps such as settings, alarms and clock, calculator, store, and so on, and then I close everything out with alt f4… If I use object nav on the desktop set to simple review, and I go up to the list view and go across, it still shows settings window, calculator window, store window, and so on. And I have to go into those objects and find the close buttons and hit capslock enter to close those windows. Why is it that even if I close out apps, some sort of windows stay open on the desktop? Are they notification windows? They can’t be notification windows, because I went into notifications and cleared them all out and away. So I have no notifications. So what are they and how do I keep or prevent them from appearing? I also have an object which is after the desktop list and it just says “window”. When I OCR it it shows some desktop items but not all. I wish we had an advanced object manager that let us reclass, relabel, and even hide various objects, and also do certain things when objects appear or disappear.



Josh





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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Yes, to be honest web apps and mobile cloud services are the future.

Now thats not necessarily a bad thing its just that us humans will milk it  for all its worth, 1 ring for them all, etc.

The issue is especially for us old timers things don't always fit, and worse depending on what you have they may not fit at all.

Narator, maybe, but for reasons everyone is aware of even though ms says its the best, I still don't trust it.

If anything nvda is in a good position to go completely web as long as controls and menus work right.

Followed by jaws as a second.

Dolphin are trying but they are even slower than vfo.

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Is this the one being dumped in September for this mobile like looking jobby?
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi


Which version are you using?


My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.



Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like skype 8


Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.




I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.



Gene nz









On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype
What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal










Re: possible eloquence solution

 

Espeak is good enough, it reminds me of the keynote and its quite good.

Bar my phone eloquence never interested me, nuance actually tried to write a 16 bit eloquence, but I doubt bar improving the quality of the voices, so you hear a 8 bit synth digitally orgmented to a 16 bit one, which just sounds crappy because it is obvious that the convert doesn't sound right at all.

Dectalk is another, but to be honest, orpheus1 was my prefered synth, after that, espeak the first one.

Vocaliser and realspeak were my synths of choice and if I hadn't pulled that off a server a friend had ages ago I would never have any advanced tts, they are just to expensive for sapi.

At least the third party stuff is.

But the robotic crap while not good for reading its low resource and quite usefull for just about everything else.

The higher non crappy stuff is fine for reading but put it on a slower system, and its almost not even worth running it long term.

On 7/18/2018 7:09 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason, mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that I don't want.


I can't win.



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Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: possible eloquence solution

 

My issue and my only issue with product activation licences in general is the fact that depending how they are constructed ie eloquence, that you have to deactivate it on each major update, thats fine in reality however because there is a 6 month basically new os update it gets a bit well annoying there should be a way to assign a licence to your machine or in the case of win10 an account or something.

And it doesn't have to be like that.

For example windows manages to stay activated on each system update.

Mostly.

Then again maybe its not happened to me.

I have had on my cloud system I admin to reactivate the icloud and some other accounts whenever I update my bios for example but still everything stays up.

I also have issues where machines and licences have a 3 unit limit, in a bit of software I use for dvd extraction, you assign your machine to an id from an account online, if that changes you have to reassign that machine to the single id but at least you can do it yourself as many times as you need.

On 7/18/2018 6:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: nvda and app windows not closing

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Its not just that though, I've noticed even in windows 7, even if the app appears to be closed, a look at running applications and processes often will still show them in the list but using very little memory and no processor time. I have a theory that its to enable quicker starting the next time you call them.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing


Hi,

That’s because universal apps are not really “closed” when you press Alt+F4 – they are suspended, hence these windows will show up via object navigation.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:29 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing



HI,

If I run some apps such as settings, alarms and clock, calculator, store, and so on, and then I close everything out with alt f4… If I use object nav on the desktop set to simple review, and I go up to the list view and go across, it still shows settings window, calculator window, store window, and so on. And I have to go into those objects and find the close buttons and hit capslock enter to close those windows. Why is it that even if I close out apps, some sort of windows stay open on the desktop? Are they notification windows? They can’t be notification windows, because I went into notifications and cleared them all out and away. So I have no notifications. So what are they and how do I keep or prevent them from appearing? I also have an object which is after the desktop list and it just says “window”. When I OCR it it shows some desktop items but not all. I wish we had an advanced object manager that let us reclass, relabel, and even hide various objects, and also do certain things when objects appear or disappear.



Josh





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