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Eleni Vamvakari
I have never had an issue with the audio on Skype, except when it was
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incredibly new, or when the connection itself is bad. What is Zoom?
On 16/07/2018, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. --
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Lino Morales
If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM To: Nvda List Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 - The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.
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The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.
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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 01:40 PM, Gene wrote:
Pictures representing ideas or objects is not at all the same as symbols representing sounds that are combined to form words. A picture of a fish representing the ocean is completely different than a symbolic method of writing the sounds in a language that make up the word "ocean."Only if you're worried about the method, not the concept that is communicated itself. There are many written (as in with letters) forms of the word, "ocean," but it is not the arbitrary representation of the concept that is the important part. Even pictographic languages such as hieroglyphics had exact spoken equivalents for the glyphs. Language is a symbol system to carry human communicative content. Sign language is every bit as much a language as any other yet has no written component (and, believe me, many have tried to think of one that would work). -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Eleni Vamvakari
What about a Sip client and a free number from a place like
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Callcentric? I usually prefer portable software but I am willing to try a regular installer if something is truly accessible. I think I found such a program once, but I don't remember its name. It wasn't designed specifically for the blind, but it worked well with NVDA.
On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Ha Ha, --
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Lino Morales
The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 - I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it. On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote: > What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting? > I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98. > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni > Vamvakari > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 - > > I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work. > I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even > let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software. I > don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software, > especially when it's not even fully accessible! > Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if > I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there > either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but > at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I tried > it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable. > > https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable > > Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above, > as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of > unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype. > *sigh* > > All the best, > Eleni > > On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote: >> Does anyone here still use GW Connect? >> Glenn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k >> Alawami >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM >> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 - >> >> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333 >> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Facebook: elvam2167@... > > anyaudio.net: elvam2167 > > Skype: elvam2167 > > > > > > > -- Joshua Hendrickson Joshua Hendrickson
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Joshua Hendrickson
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
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out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.
On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting? --
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Re: Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software
Devin Prater
The problem with that position is that the current illegal copy wasn’t made legally in the first place. Sure, it uses Eloquence libraries, but Nuance isn’t selling Eloquence themselves. Yes, there is a legal copy, and sure maybe the use of the illegal version may hurt their sales, but those who use the illegal add-on aren’t pirating a legal add-on, they’re pirating the Eloquence DLL’s and libraries. Technical, yes, but it’s a distinction I feel must be taken into account. I’m not saying that it is right to use the add-on, even if Nuance doesn’t sell Eloquence to end-users, and barely makes anything with the licenses, which I think must be pretty strict owing to the DRM on PC and Android.
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Ervin, Glenn
Ha Ha,
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I was just referencing that same Wikipedia page after I sent my last message. Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:33 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 - Apparently, it has been discontinued. But it works with XP, so I will have to investigate it! Some other software was also mentioned here, including Meeting Space, Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance, Microsoft Office Live Meeting, and SharedView. I don't have Office, but I can still research the others. Thank you so much for mentioning this! If nothing else, NetMeeting will be accessible! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_NetMeeting On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote: What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting? -- Facebook: elvam2167@gmail.com anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Eleni Vamvakari
Apparently, it has been discontinued. But it works with XP, so I will
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have to investigate it! Some other software was also mentioned here, including Meeting Space, Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance, Microsoft Office Live Meeting, and SharedView. I don't have Office, but I can still research the others. Thank you so much for mentioning this! If nothing else, NetMeeting will be accessible! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_NetMeeting
On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting? --
Facebook: elvam2167@gmail.com anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Ervin, Glenn
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
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I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98. Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 - I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work. I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software. I don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software, especially when it's not even fully accessible! Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I tried it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable. https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above, as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype. *sigh* All the best, Eleni On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote: Does anyone here still use GW Connect? -- Facebook: elvam2167@gmail.com anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167
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Re: Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software
Gene
I'm not taking a position on when and whether it is
ever justifiable to use illegal software. This is a different question
than protection of the list. Therefore, I have only addressed the question
from a list standpoint and not addressed any of my personal opinions about the
broader ethical question.
Gene
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From: ely.r@...
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal
software Gene, , No I fully understand the list position. The issue is theft. However when it comes to software, it is easy to convince one’s self that it doesn’t really hurt anyone as they will never know. Sorry if this sounds pretentious , but I have been and friends have been on the opposite side of this issue, and it can make a real difference for a developer who puts in enormous time creating software and knowing that a percent of copies are simply Pirated. Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
The question isn't whether NVDA has adequate selection of synthesizers nor whether it is free. The question is whether the list should be exposed to legal liability by the promotion of any kind of illegal software.
If someone promoted illegal software to perform OCR, the same restriction would apply or to an illegal word processing program.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: ely.r@... Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software
Gene Thanks for this post. I have been wondering over the last few days what the position of the list owner would be on supporting the illegal piracy of software. NVDA comes free to those who cannot afford the cost of a screen reader. NVDA has a more than adequate selection of synthesizers as part of its install. Our visual conditions, whatever they may be, do not include an exemption for theft. Again thanks for your reminder, Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
I'm sending this as an administrative message along with sending it in the thread where this problem is currently occurring. I have slightly expanded this message with another explanatory comment.
I've stated before, as much as two or three days ago, that promoting illegal software is not, I emphatically repeat not, allowed on list. This is not my policy. It is the policy of the list owner and it is standard policy on a lot of lists. Gratuitously mentioning and impliedly recommending illegal software is not allowed.
If someone wants to express a general opinion about when it is ethically acceptable to use illegal software, as I understand list policy, that is allowed. Promoting or discussing specific programs is not.
I support this list policy. It doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about when and if it is justifiable to use illegal software as an ethical question. As moderator, I am responsible for enforcing list policy. The policy is in place not because of the views of those who run the list on the the question. It is in place because promoting illegal software exposes the list to legal liability. If people continue to disregard my warnings on this subject, they will be moderated temporarily. I'm sorry to have to send this kind of stern message. I moderate with a lite toch whenever possible. But it's time for such discussions and implied endorsements to stop.
Gene, Moderator
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Eleni Vamvakari
I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
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work. I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software. I don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software, especially when it's not even fully accessible! Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I tried it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable. https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above, as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype. *sigh* All the best, Eleni
On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect? --
Facebook: elvam2167@gmail.com anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167
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Re: Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software
ely.r@...
Gene, , No I fully understand the list position. The issue is theft. However when it comes to software, it is easy to convince one’s self that it doesn’t really hurt anyone as they will never know. Sorry if this sounds pretentious , but I have been and friends have been on the opposite side of this issue, and it can make a real difference for a developer who puts in enormous time creating software and knowing that a percent of copies are simply Pirated. Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:45 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software
The question isn't whether NVDA has adequate selection of synthesizers nor whether it is free. The question is whether the list should be exposed to legal liability by the promotion of any kind of illegal software.
If someone promoted illegal software to perform OCR, the same restriction would apply or to an illegal word processing program.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: ely.r@... Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software
Gene Thanks for this post. I have been wondering over the last few days what the position of the list owner would be on supporting the illegal piracy of software. NVDA comes free to those who cannot afford the cost of a screen reader. NVDA has a more than adequate selection of synthesizers as part of its install. Our visual conditions, whatever they may be, do not include an exemption for theft. Again thanks for your reminder, Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
I'm sending this as an administrative message along with sending it in the thread where this problem is currently occurring. I have slightly expanded this message with another explanatory comment.
I've stated before, as much as two or three days ago, that promoting illegal software is not, I emphatically repeat not, allowed on list. This is not my policy. It is the policy of the list owner and it is standard policy on a lot of lists. Gratuitously mentioning and impliedly recommending illegal software is not allowed.
If someone wants to express a general opinion about when it is ethically acceptable to use illegal software, as I understand list policy, that is allowed. Promoting or discussing specific programs is not.
I support this list policy. It doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about when and if it is justifiable to use illegal software as an ethical question. As moderator, I am responsible for enforcing list policy. The policy is in place not because of the views of those who run the list on the the question. It is in place because promoting illegal software exposes the list to legal liability. If people continue to disregard my warnings on this subject, they will be moderated temporarily. I'm sorry to have to send this kind of stern message. I moderate with a lite toch whenever possible. But it's time for such discussions and implied endorsements to stop.
Gene, Moderator
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Re: Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software
Gene
The question isn't whether NVDA has adequate
selection of synthesizers nor whether it is free. The question is whether
the list should be exposed to legal liability by the promotion of any kind of
illegal software.
If someone promoted illegal software to perform
OCR, the same restriction would apply or to an illegal word processing
program.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal
software Gene Thanks for this post. I have been wondering over the last few days what the position of the list owner would be on supporting the illegal piracy of software. NVDA comes free to those who cannot afford the cost of a screen reader. NVDA has a more than adequate selection of synthesizers as part of its install. Our visual conditions, whatever they may be, do not include an exemption for theft. Again thanks for your reminder, Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
I'm sending this as an administrative message along with sending it in the thread where this problem is currently occurring. I have slightly expanded this message with another explanatory comment.
I've stated before, as much as two or three days ago, that promoting illegal software is not, I emphatically repeat not, allowed on list. This is not my policy. It is the policy of the list owner and it is standard policy on a lot of lists. Gratuitously mentioning and impliedly recommending illegal software is not allowed.
If someone wants to express a general opinion about when it is ethically acceptable to use illegal software, as I understand list policy, that is allowed. Promoting or discussing specific programs is not.
I support this list policy. It doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about when and if it is justifiable to use illegal software as an ethical question. As moderator, I am responsible for enforcing list policy. The policy is in place not because of the views of those who run the list on the the question. It is in place because promoting illegal software exposes the list to legal liability. If people continue to disregard my warnings on this subject, they will be moderated temporarily. I'm sorry to have to send this kind of stern message. I moderate with a lite toch whenever possible. But it's time for such discussions and implied endorsements to stop.
Gene, Moderator
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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?
Gene
Pictures representing ideas or objects is not at
all the same as symbols representing sounds that are combined to form
words. A picture of a fish representing the ocean is completely different
than a symbolic method of writing the sounds in a language that make up the word
"ocean."
Gene
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Latin alphabet is nothing more than another form of picture writing. It’s just what we know. Image/picture writing has existed in advanced cultures in one form or another since forever. Egyptian hieroglyphics, Nahuatl picture writing and you can even consider the Chinese/Japonese form of writing to be image based. I’m not an emoji fan, but it’s really just another example of everything old is new again.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
I feel too like emoticons are a regression of language. It also has caused a lack of accuracy with regard to controlling devices, since manufacturers want to make all their customers happy, by attempting to not use English for labeling controls, and as a result, nobody can use the controls. I refer to emoticons and such labeling as hieroglyphics. And language has evolved from that time.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
There is no better way to encourage people not to learn to express themselves effectively verbally and in writing than by substituting codes and pictures for words. The written word was one of the greatest achievements of civilization. Now, it is being degraded and supplanted by images and representations.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
No surprise there, either. Regardless of the circuitous
route that's taken to get there, it appears that the default behavior is to
consult the official emoji descriptions unless some exception code has been
added that overrides it. Since this thing was officially titled as "heavy
black heart" that's what it gets announced as. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software
ely.r@...
Gene Thanks for this post. I have been wondering over the last few days what the position of the list owner would be on supporting the illegal piracy of software. NVDA comes free to those who cannot afford the cost of a screen reader. NVDA has a more than adequate selection of synthesizers as part of its install. Our visual conditions, whatever they may be, do not include an exemption for theft. Again thanks for your reminder, Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
I'm sending this as an administrative message along with sending it in the thread where this problem is currently occurring. I have slightly expanded this message with another explanatory comment.
I've stated before, as much as two or three days ago, that promoting illegal software is not, I emphatically repeat not, allowed on list. This is not my policy. It is the policy of the list owner and it is standard policy on a lot of lists. Gratuitously mentioning and impliedly recommending illegal software is not allowed.
If someone wants to express a general opinion about when it is ethically acceptable to use illegal software, as I understand list policy, that is allowed. Promoting or discussing specific programs is not.
I support this list policy. It doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about when and if it is justifiable to use illegal software as an ethical question. As moderator, I am responsible for enforcing list policy. The policy is in place not because of the views of those who run the list on the the question. It is in place because promoting illegal software exposes the list to legal liability. If people continue to disregard my warnings on this subject, they will be moderated temporarily. I'm sorry to have to send this kind of stern message. I moderate with a lite toch whenever possible. But it's time for such discussions and implied endorsements to stop.
Gene, Moderator
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Ervin, Glenn
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
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Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 - https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/163337/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?
Ervin, Glenn
My drivers have had a hard time trying to figure out the controls in my latest work car because of all the hieroglyphics. Makes for an interesting if not frustrating situation. ☺
☺
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 01:12 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Well, there was a time when using icons/glyphs in an attempt to create a "universal language" for things like road signs was accompanied for quite a few years with a small "label" for lack of a better word beneath it in the local language
saying what it meant. The same thing was true, but to a far lesser extent, on keyboards. Those attempts have, by and large, met with great success. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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