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Re: How can I use NVDA delete a page in word?

Quentin Christensen
 

Not for the most part, in fact I would argue to an extent they have crippled Office's useability by refusing to abandon some really old keystrokes - for instance just on the ribbons, half the reason they are so hard to remember is that they aren't logical.  The Insert ribbon isn't alt+i, because they kept that for people wanting to use old Office 2003 shortcuts, so it's alt+n.  Similarly the View ribbon can't be alt+v in case an Office 2003 user only knows the old way of doing things, so the View ribbon is alt+w..  The Help ribbon is relegated to Alt+Y1.  Nothing is alt+d, yet the developer ribbon is alt+L, meaning the layout ribbon gets alt+p. 

To be honest, the whole thing is a nightmare.  So in short, I expect the reason control+shift+page+down doesn't work is not that they've just changed it, just that they've broken it and haven't fixed it...


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 6:20 PM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Funnily enough I've heard this. Does this mean in the newer versions of word
they have changed the keys we used to use?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I use NVDA delete a page in word?


Hi Logo,

I was about to say that CONTROL+PAGE UP and CONTROL+PAGE DOWN move to the
start of the previous or next page in Word, therefore to select a whole
page, move to the top of a page and press CONTROL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN.  Then I
tried it and realised that (on Office 365 at least) moving between pages
works, but not selecting them.

So, I have a quick way for you which does use NVDA commands:

1) Move to the start of the page to be deleted.
2) Press NVDA+F9.  This is the review cursor command to "start marking"
text.
3) Press CONTROL+PAGE DOWN to move to the start of the next page.
4) Press the LEFT ARROW to go back one character.
5) Press NVDA+F10 once.  This selects the whole page.
6) Press DELETE.

The reason you have to use the left arrow to go back one character is that
the review cursor copy function takes the character to the right of the
cursor as well, so without that step you would delete the whole page and
the first character from the next page.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go see why CONTROL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN doesn't work.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:29 AM 特種兵 <afreettears@...> wrote:

> hi groups:
>
>    How can I use NVDA fast delete a page in word?
>    I use shift plus down arrow selected line by line, it's slow and
> sometimes move over a page.
>    If I really delete the page exam the third page, how can I use NVDA
> fast delete a page?
>
> --
>
> thank you for much
> Logo Kuo from Taiwan
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: windows 10 1809 has fixed a problem for me

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In his example he was letting goldwave do some intensive work while trying to use explorer I think.
Brian

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From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 2:43 AM
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 1809 has fixed a problem for me


Hi, all. I thought I'd let Joseph and others know that the File Explorer problem I and so many others were having--at least for me anyway--has been resolved in windows 1809. It used to be that when I'd copy and paste, especially audio files, to and from Dropbox, and when I'd be messing around in several different folders in file Explorer, NVDA would stop reading the list items, so I had a hard time going up and down a list. There were times I had to use another screen reader to do this and have the items read to me. I also used object navigation when I could with NVDA and that did work most of the time. I'm very happy to say now, though, that this latest version of Windows seems to have resolved that--at least for now anyway. Hopefully the trend will continue. Now, I do notice a slight--and I mean a very slight!--pause after I've copied and pasted items from one place to another, but it's barely noticeable. I know Joseph had asked about this a few days back, but I think he was asking about audio files and using something like Gold Wave or something, and my issue wasn't just with audio files; it was with File Explorer in general. I mean, it was getting bad, almost to the point where I dreaded using Dropbox at all on here, and just generally getting from one list item to another was getting to be a royal pain in the behind. it's much, much, much better now, and so for those of you who have had this issue and haven't upgraded, once MS allows the update again, you're--hopefully!--going to be in for a treat!

Annette



Re: How can I use NVDA delete a page in word?

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Funnily enough I've heard this. Does this mean in the newer versions of word they have changed the keys we used to use?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I use NVDA delete a page in word?


Hi Logo,

I was about to say that CONTROL+PAGE UP and CONTROL+PAGE DOWN move to the
start of the previous or next page in Word, therefore to select a whole
page, move to the top of a page and press CONTROL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN. Then I
tried it and realised that (on Office 365 at least) moving between pages
works, but not selecting them.

So, I have a quick way for you which does use NVDA commands:

1) Move to the start of the page to be deleted.
2) Press NVDA+F9. This is the review cursor command to "start marking"
text.
3) Press CONTROL+PAGE DOWN to move to the start of the next page.
4) Press the LEFT ARROW to go back one character.
5) Press NVDA+F10 once. This selects the whole page.
6) Press DELETE.

The reason you have to use the left arrow to go back one character is that
the review cursor copy function takes the character to the right of the
cursor as well, so without that step you would delete the whole page and
the first character from the next page.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go see why CONTROL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN doesn't work.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:29 AM 特種兵 <afreettears@gmail.com> wrote:

hi groups:

How can I use NVDA fast delete a page in word?
I use shift plus down arrow selected line by line, it's slow and
sometimes move over a page.
If I really delete the page exam the third page, how can I use NVDA
fast delete a page?

--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan




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Re: Speeding up one-core voices.

John Isige
 

I used Brian's way, though I'll have to try ease of access too. I wouldn't put it up to the maximum because for me, that gets choppy and hard to understand. I have the Windows speech slider set to 75% and NVDA set to 80, and that does well enough for me. Thanks all!

On 10/9/2018 12:57 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

To speed up the One Core voices:

Press Windows+I to open the settings app.

Tab once, and go to the Ease of access category!

Then, go to speech and press enter.

Then, tab to more speech settings and press enter.

Then, tab to a slider, and use page up to increase it to its maximum.

Then, just get out of settings with Alt+F4!

David Moore

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*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *Monday, October 8, 2018 11:17 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Speeding up one-core voices.

Hi all. Where do you go to adjust the speed of one-core voices? Not in

NVDA, you go somewhere else to increase the speed in Windows. I can't

for the life of me remember it, so of course I need to do it. I thought

it was in control panel but I guess not. Thanks in advance, I'm sure

bunches of you know.


Re: Speeding up one-core voices.

David Moore
 

Hi all!

To speed up the One Core voices:

Press Windows+I to open the settings app.

Tab once, and go to the Ease of access category!

Then, go to speech and press enter.

Then, tab to more speech settings and press enter.

Then, tab to a slider, and use page up to increase it to its maximum.

Then, just get out of settings with Alt+F4!

David Moore

 

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From: John Isige
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 11:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Speeding up one-core voices.

 

Hi all. Where do you go to adjust the speed of one-core voices? Not in

NVDA, you go somewhere else to increase the speed in Windows. I can't

for the life of me remember it, so of course I need to do it. I thought

it was in control panel but I guess not. Thanks in advance, I'm sure

bunches of you know.

 

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues

 

It has already been reported, on several lists and elsewhere, that being logged in to OneDrive or not being logged in to OneDrive has no direct connection to the file deletion issue, at least as a singular trigger.  One of the regulars on the JAWS list reports he's updated 4 machines, two logged in to OneDrive, two not, and all updated fine.

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Re: Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues

Annette Moore
 

I don't use them either, Shaun, and I never had a problem. I feel bad for those who have had issues, though.

On 10/8/2018 10:52 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well would be fine its only if you are signed in to ms cloud services.

I don't use them, it may just in fact make me decide to just never sign in to onedrive or ever use it so windows doesn't delete my files.



On 10/9/2018 2:23 PM, Stephen wrote:
What if you formated your pc and installed windows 10 1809 from scratch? and then put all your other data back on there after the instalation. would that work better?

At 03:17 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
Actually, I had seen some stuff come over the wire for about a week
now that if Windows didn't feel it had enough space during this past
update, the potential to delete files existed. But yeah--it does make
1 wonder. I suppose it's always best practice to make a backup, but,
sometimes, Windows doesn't give a warning prior to updating--it just
does it. I think these "Creator" updates do let you decide, though. I
know the last fall creators update gave me a lot of problems accessing
my ISP's website after it was completed, & I had to roll it back for a
long while until the issues got resolved.

On 10/8/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
What is wrong with the insider program that this problem wasn't
known before
the rollout?  Are there too few people in the program? Should
there be more
attention to trying to get more users who use Windows in different
ways and
on more varied equipment?  Microsoft is developing a reputation
for bad
rollouts, hardly helpful for the company achieving its goals of
having
people accept "Windows as a service."

In an article I read yesterday from a reliable source, it was
stated that
both this major upgrade and the one before it had serious
problems.  I don't
recall the details now, but I recall reading about how the
previous upgrade
put some users machines into infinite bootup loops.  I don't
recall what
other problems may have been in that upgrade.  Again, what is
wrong with the
insider program that this wasn't caught?

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major
issues


Yes Jonathan Mosen was mentioning about it this very morning.
Though he says

none of his machines have had the issue. There was also so
question marks
about third party anti virusses maybe blocking the back up of
files when
Windows tries to move them as well.

So who is going to sue for lost data?
  The more I hear the more I'm glad I'm on windows 7, even if it
won't read
dropbox dialogue boxes any more.
  Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 1:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major
issues


Howdy,


From our win10 sister list and other reputable sources in the
wires and
colleagues from my personal network there have been loads of reports
about people losing their data when they upgrade from windows 10
version
1803 to version 1809. Microsoft has put the version 1809 update
back on
the shelf until they figure out what is happening. This seems to be
happening to folks who are signed into one drive while they run the
upgrade. Systems that are not signed into one drive appear not to
have
the issue. You can read more of this here.


https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/6/17944966/microsoft-windows-10-october-2018-update-documents-deleted-issues-windows-update-paused


Tony










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Re: Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues

 

Well would be fine its only if you are signed in to ms cloud services.

I don't use them, it may just in fact make me decide to just never sign in to onedrive or ever use it so windows doesn't delete my files.

On 10/9/2018 2:23 PM, Stephen wrote:
What if you formated your pc and installed windows 10 1809 from scratch? and then put all your other data back on there after the instalation. would that work better?

At 03:17 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
Actually, I had seen some stuff come over the wire for about a week
now that if Windows didn't feel it had enough space during this past
update, the potential to delete files existed. But yeah--it does make
1 wonder. I suppose it's always best practice to make a backup, but,
sometimes, Windows doesn't give a warning prior to updating--it just
does it. I think these "Creator" updates do let you decide, though. I
know the last fall creators update gave me a lot of problems accessing
my ISP's website after it was completed, & I had to roll it back for a
long while until the issues got resolved.

On 10/8/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
What is wrong with the insider program that this problem wasn't
known before
the rollout?  Are there too few people in the program? Should there
be more
attention to trying to get more users who use Windows in different
ways and
on more varied equipment?  Microsoft is developing a reputation for
bad
rollouts, hardly helpful for the company achieving its goals of having
people accept "Windows as a service."

In an article I read yesterday from a reliable source, it was
stated that
both this major upgrade and the one before it had serious
problems.  I don't
recall the details now, but I recall reading about how the previous
upgrade
put some users machines into infinite bootup loops.  I don't recall
what
other problems may have been in that upgrade.  Again, what is wrong
with the
insider program that this wasn't caught?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major
issues


Yes Jonathan Mosen was mentioning about it this very morning.
Though he says

none of his machines have had the issue. There was also so question
marks
about third party anti virusses maybe blocking the back up of files
when
Windows tries to move them as well.

So who is going to sue for lost data?
  The more I hear the more I'm glad I'm on windows 7, even if it
won't read
dropbox dialogue boxes any more.
  Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 1:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major
issues


Howdy,


From our win10 sister list and other reputable sources in the
wires and
colleagues from my personal network there have been loads of reports
about people losing their data when they upgrade from windows 10
version
1803 to version 1809. Microsoft has put the version 1809 update
back on
the shelf until they figure out what is happening. This seems to be
happening to folks who are signed into one drive while they run the
upgrade. Systems that are not signed into one drive appear not to
have
the issue. You can read more of this here.


https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/6/17944966/microsoft-windows-10-october-2018-update-documents-deleted-issues-windows-update-paused


Tony










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Re: Speeding up one-core voices.

 

Settings, Time & Language, Speech Pane
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Speeding up one-core voices.

John Isige
 

Hi all. Where do you go to adjust the speed of one-core voices? Not in NVDA, you go somewhere else to increase the speed in Windows. I can't for the life of me remember it, so of course I need to do it. I thought it was in control panel but I guess not. Thanks in advance, I'm sure bunches of you know.


Re: Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with Donating . . .

Annette Moore
 

Awesome!

Annette


On 10/8/2018 8:37 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
No plans to change at this stage Annette!  If anything, we might consider adding another option if people wanted, but I haven't seen anything that is as widely recognised and easy to use.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:29 PM Annette Moore <angelgirl52376@...> wrote:

I hope you won't remove the Pay Pal option completely as that's the option I prefer to use to send in my donations. I prefer Pay Pal over using my bank card. I don't donate when installing NVDA upgrades; I just do it on my own using the link provided on the main page. I didn't see where to convert Australian to US dollars, but that was ok. Before I donated, it told me the conversions, plus I could have just asked Siri for the conversions and then changed my amount to something else if I'd wanted to.

Annette


On 10/8/2018 5:04 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks Brian, it was likely a change PayPal made - they keep changing things and invariably it usually seems to make it less friendly to use.  If it does get too hard for users, we can look at another provider.  I must admit, PayPal is the main one I am familiar with, I'm not sure what the best other options out there are...  We have trialed adding "Stripe" to the shop for purchases like the training materials.  I haven't had any feedback either way from people on that option yet.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:32 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

           All I can tell you at this juncture is that the issue was almost certain to be the donate option that comes up when you are installing a new version of NVDA.  I had asked my friend if she had updated to NVDA 2018.3, to which she responded in the affirmative, but then the conversation turned to her having been unable to donate as she typically does when she updates.

           This is someone who has been a screen reader user for decades, and an NVDA user for a long chunk of that (it's her screen reader of choice).  That's the reason I brought it up because if she was having difficulties I suspected it might not be a case of user error.  Perhaps it was a fluke, but I thought it should be mentioned.
--

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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




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windows 10 1809 has fixed a problem for me

Annette Moore
 

Hi, all. I thought I'd let Joseph and others know that the File Explorer problem I and so many others were having--at least for me anyway--has been resolved in windows 1809. It used to be that when I'd copy and paste, especially audio files, to and from Dropbox, and when I'd be messing around in several different folders in file Explorer, NVDA would stop reading the list items, so I had a hard time going up and down a list. There were times I had to use another screen reader to do this and have the items read to me. I also used object navigation when I could with NVDA and that did work most of the time. I'm very happy to say now, though, that this latest version of Windows seems to have resolved that--at least for now anyway. Hopefully the trend will continue. Now, I do notice a slight--and I mean a very slight!--pause after I've copied and pasted items from one place to another, but it's barely noticeable. I know Joseph had asked about this a few days back, but I think he was asking about audio files and using something like Gold Wave or something, and my issue wasn't just with audio files; it was with File Explorer in general. I mean, it was getting bad, almost to the point where I dreaded using Dropbox at all on here, and just generally getting from one list item to another was getting to be a royal pain in the behind. it's much, much, much better now, and so for those of you who have had this issue and  haven't upgraded, once MS allows the update again, you're--hopefully!--going to be in for a treat!

Annette


Re: How can I use NVDA delete a page in word?

Quentin Christensen
 

CONTROL+DOWN ARROW moves down by one paragraph and by extension, putting SHIFT with it should select to the start of the next paragraph, which does work.

Since CONTROL+PAGE DOWN moves the focus down by one page, CONTROL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN should, logically, select the page, however, it doesn't move at all or seem to do anything - with or without NVDA running.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:25 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
ctrl+shift+pagedown is suppose to select paragraphs.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I use NVDA delete a page in word?

Hi Logo,

I was about to say that CONTROL+PAGE UP and CONTROL+PAGE DOWN move to the start of the previous or next page in Word, therefore to select a whole page, move to the top of a page and press CONTROL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN.  Then I tried it and realised that (on Office 365 at least) moving between pages works, but not selecting them.

So, I have a quick way for you which does use NVDA commands:

1) Move to the start of the page to be deleted.
2) Press NVDA+F9.  This is the review cursor command to "start marking" text.
3) Press CONTROL+PAGE DOWN to move to the start of the next page.
4) Press the LEFT ARROW to go back one character.
5) Press NVDA+F10 once.  This selects the whole page.
6) Press DELETE.

The reason you have to use the left arrow to go back one character is that the review cursor copy function takes the character to the right of the cursor as well, so without that step you would delete the whole page and the first character from the next page.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go see why CONTROL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN doesn't work.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:29 AM 特種兵 <afreettears@...> wrote:
hi groups:

   How can I use NVDA fast delete a page in word?
   I use shift plus down arrow selected line by line, it's slow and
sometimes move over a page.
   If I really delete the page exam the third page, how can I use NVDA
fast delete a page?

--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan






--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with Donating . . .

Quentin Christensen
 

No plans to change at this stage Annette!  If anything, we might consider adding another option if people wanted, but I haven't seen anything that is as widely recognised and easy to use.


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:29 PM Annette Moore <angelgirl52376@...> wrote:

I hope you won't remove the Pay Pal option completely as that's the option I prefer to use to send in my donations. I prefer Pay Pal over using my bank card. I don't donate when installing NVDA upgrades; I just do it on my own using the link provided on the main page. I didn't see where to convert Australian to US dollars, but that was ok. Before I donated, it told me the conversions, plus I could have just asked Siri for the conversions and then changed my amount to something else if I'd wanted to.

Annette


On 10/8/2018 5:04 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks Brian, it was likely a change PayPal made - they keep changing things and invariably it usually seems to make it less friendly to use.  If it does get too hard for users, we can look at another provider.  I must admit, PayPal is the main one I am familiar with, I'm not sure what the best other options out there are...  We have trialed adding "Stripe" to the shop for purchases like the training materials.  I haven't had any feedback either way from people on that option yet.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:32 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

           All I can tell you at this juncture is that the issue was almost certain to be the donate option that comes up when you are installing a new version of NVDA.  I had asked my friend if she had updated to NVDA 2018.3, to which she responded in the affirmative, but then the conversation turned to her having been unable to donate as she typically does when she updates.

           This is someone who has been a screen reader user for decades, and an NVDA user for a long chunk of that (it's her screen reader of choice).  That's the reason I brought it up because if she was having difficulties I suspected it might not be a case of user error.  Perhaps it was a fluke, but I thought it should be mentioned.
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Re: Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with Donating . . .

Annette Moore
 

I hope you won't remove the Pay Pal option completely as that's the option I prefer to use to send in my donations. I prefer Pay Pal over using my bank card. I don't donate when installing NVDA upgrades; I just do it on my own using the link provided on the main page. I didn't see where to convert Australian to US dollars, but that was ok. Before I donated, it told me the conversions, plus I could have just asked Siri for the conversions and then changed my amount to something else if I'd wanted to.

Annette


On 10/8/2018 5:04 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks Brian, it was likely a change PayPal made - they keep changing things and invariably it usually seems to make it less friendly to use.  If it does get too hard for users, we can look at another provider.  I must admit, PayPal is the main one I am familiar with, I'm not sure what the best other options out there are...  We have trialed adding "Stripe" to the shop for purchases like the training materials.  I haven't had any feedback either way from people on that option yet.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:32 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

           All I can tell you at this juncture is that the issue was almost certain to be the donate option that comes up when you are installing a new version of NVDA.  I had asked my friend if she had updated to NVDA 2018.3, to which she responded in the affirmative, but then the conversation turned to her having been unable to donate as she typically does when she updates.

           This is someone who has been a screen reader user for decades, and an NVDA user for a long chunk of that (it's her screen reader of choice).  That's the reason I brought it up because if she was having difficulties I suspected it might not be a case of user error.  Perhaps it was a fluke, but I thought it should be mentioned.
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           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



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Re: How can I use NVDA delete a page in word?

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


ctrl+shift+pagedown is suppose to select paragraphs.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I use NVDA delete a page in word?

Hi Logo,

I was about to say that CONTROL+PAGE UP and CONTROL+PAGE DOWN move to the start of the previous or next page in Word, therefore to select a whole page, move to the top of a page and press CONTROL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN.  Then I tried it and realised that (on Office 365 at least) moving between pages works, but not selecting them.

So, I have a quick way for you which does use NVDA commands:

1) Move to the start of the page to be deleted.
2) Press NVDA+F9.  This is the review cursor command to "start marking" text.
3) Press CONTROL+PAGE DOWN to move to the start of the next page.
4) Press the LEFT ARROW to go back one character.
5) Press NVDA+F10 once.  This selects the whole page.
6) Press DELETE.

The reason you have to use the left arrow to go back one character is that the review cursor copy function takes the character to the right of the cursor as well, so without that step you would delete the whole page and the first character from the next page.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go see why CONTROL+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN doesn't work.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:29 AM 特種兵 <afreettears@...> wrote:
hi groups:

   How can I use NVDA fast delete a page in word?
   I use shift plus down arrow selected line by line, it's slow and
sometimes move over a page.
   If I really delete the page exam the third page, how can I use NVDA
fast delete a page?

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thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan






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Re: Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues

Stephen
 

What if you formated your pc and installed windows 10 1809 from scratch? and then put all your other data back on there after the instalation. would that work better?

At 03:17 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
Actually, I had seen some stuff come over the wire for about a week
now that if Windows didn't feel it had enough space during this past
update, the potential to delete files existed. But yeah--it does make
1 wonder. I suppose it's always best practice to make a backup, but,
sometimes, Windows doesn't give a warning prior to updating--it just
does it. I think these "Creator" updates do let you decide, though. I
know the last fall creators update gave me a lot of problems accessing
my ISP's website after it was completed, & I had to roll it back for a
long while until the issues got resolved.

On 10/8/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
What is wrong with the insider program that this problem wasn't
known before
the rollout? Are there too few people in the program? Should
there be more
attention to trying to get more users who use Windows in different ways and
on more varied equipment? Microsoft is developing a reputation for bad
rollouts, hardly helpful for the company achieving its goals of having
people accept "Windows as a service."

In an article I read yesterday from a reliable source, it was stated that
both this major upgrade and the one before it had serious
problems. I don't
recall the details now, but I recall reading about how the previous upgrade
put some users machines into infinite bootup loops. I don't recall what
other problems may have been in that upgrade. Again, what is
wrong with the
insider program that this wasn't caught?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major
issues


Yes Jonathan Mosen was mentioning about it this very morning.
Though he says

none of his machines have had the issue. There was also so question marks
about third party anti virusses maybe blocking the back up of files when
Windows tries to move them as well.

So who is going to sue for lost data?
The more I hear the more I'm glad I'm on windows 7, even if it won't read
dropbox dialogue boxes any more.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 1:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues


Howdy,


From our win10 sister list and other reputable sources in the wires and
colleagues from my personal network there have been loads of reports
about people losing their data when they upgrade from windows 10 version
1803 to version 1809. Microsoft has put the version 1809 update back on
the shelf until they figure out what is happening. This seems to be
happening to folks who are signed into one drive while they run the
upgrade. Systems that are not signed into one drive appear not to have
the issue. You can read more of this here.


https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/6/17944966/microsoft-windows-10-october-2018-update-documents-deleted-issues-windows-update-paused


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Re: Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with Donating . . .

 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 06:29 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Theoretically you could tell Paypal to donate say $20 USD and it should be able to then remove that from your account and deposit $28 AUD (or therabouts, according to Google) into our account. 
And it seems to me that this is how it worked (or maybe works still) in actuality.  I am quite sure that my friend is not misremembering being able to choose USD as the currency to make the donation in.  I know that PayPal and credit card companies routinely take care of currency exchange now and they do it "in bulk" to minimize the expense to themselves and their customers.
 
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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

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Re: Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues

 

Hi,

This partly came about due to Spectre mitigation for certain processor models, along with driver issues and others depending on so many variables.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues

 

Hey Buddy,

 

I heard of the infinite boot up loops, and the blue screen of death issues in 1803 as well.  Fortunately That didn't happen to me; however, it's rather disturbing that they just want to keep on throwing these problematic updates out unto the unsuspecting public time, after time, after time. Scratching my head.

 

Tony

 

On 10/8/2018 11:08 AM, Gene wrote:

What is wrong with the insider program that this problem wasn't known before the rollout?  Are there too few people in the program?  Should there be more attention to trying to get more users who use Windows in different ways and on more varied equipment?  Microsoft is developing a reputation for bad rollouts, hardly helpful for the company achieving its goals of having people accept "Windows as a service." 

 

In an article I read yesterday from a reliable source, it was stated that both this major upgrade and the one before it had serious problems.  I don't recall the details now, but I recall reading about how the previous upgrade put some users machines into infinite bootup loops.  I don't recall what other problems may have been in that upgrade.  Again, what is wrong with the insider program that this wasn't caught? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 9:48 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues

 

Yes Jonathan Mosen was mentioning about it this very morning. Though he says
none of his machines have had the issue. There was also so question marks
about third party anti virusses maybe blocking the back up of files when
Windows tries to move them as well.

So who is going to sue for lost data?
 The more I hear the more I'm glad I'm on windows 7, even if it won't read
dropbox dialogue boxes any more.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 1:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues


> Howdy,
>
>
> From our win10 sister list and other reputable sources in the wires and
> colleagues from my personal network there have been loads of reports
> about people losing their data when they upgrade from windows 10 version
> 1803 to version 1809. Microsoft has put the version 1809 update back on
> the shelf until they figure out what is happening. This seems to be
> happening to folks who are signed into one drive while they run the
> upgrade. Systems that are not signed into one drive appear not to have
> the issue. You can read more of this here.
>
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/6/17944966/microsoft-windows-10-october-2018-update-documents-deleted-issues-windows-update-paused
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>


 


Re: Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with Donating . . .

ely.r@...
 

Hey,

PayPal takes care of the currency exchange. That makes donating or purchasing items very simple.

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 6:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with Donating . . .

 

Because our bank account is in Australia, it only accepts Australian dollars.  So any donation or purchase from us will end up in Australian dollars.  Theoretically you could tell Paypal to donate say $20 USD and it should be able to then remove that from your account and deposit $28 AUD (or therabouts, according to Google) into our account.  The way the donation page on our site is setup is in Australian dollars, simply because having the one currency is both easier to setup and to read, it just means that it's up to the user to work out how much any given amount is in their local currency.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:16 AM Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:

The issue I had was that my donation was in Australian dollars because I couldn't figure out how to get it to U. S. dollars.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 3:04 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with Donating . . .

 

Thanks Brian, it was likely a change PayPal made - they keep changing things and invariably it usually seems to make it less friendly to use.  If it does get too hard for users, we can look at another provider.  I must admit, PayPal is the main one I am familiar with, I'm not sure what the best other options out there are...  We have trialed adding "Stripe" to the shop for purchases like the training materials.  I haven't had any feedback either way from people on that option yet.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:32 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Quentin,

           All I can tell you at this juncture is that the issue was almost certain to be the donate option that comes up when you are installing a new version of NVDA.  I had asked my friend if she had updated to NVDA 2018.3, to which she responded in the affirmative, but then the conversation turned to her having been unable to donate as she typically does when she updates.

           This is someone who has been a screen reader user for decades, and an NVDA user for a long chunk of that (it's her screen reader of choice).  That's the reason I brought it up because if she was having difficulties I suspected it might not be a case of user error.  Perhaps it was a fluke, but I thought it should be mentioned.
--

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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


 

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Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


 

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