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Re: accessible money

Ervin, Glenn
 

Except for the ones, the US is constantly changing its currency anyway, to stop counterfeiting, so why not make it accessible with the next change?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

It's true, this subject is off topic for this list, but since it has gone on for as long as it has, and since Gene-USA asked, I'll reply one last time.
The fact is that the US has an obligation to make its money accessible for those of us who cannot see. It has dragged its feet on this however.
Meanwhile, in Canada, just as one example, a combination of raised dots on plasticized paper money and utilization of coins for lower denominations (one and two dollar coins) achieves practical accessibility. In light of this approach in Canada, I have never felt resented when there, and I doubt that others actually living in Canada feel resented for the fact that the money has been made accessible-user-friendly for blind people.
So, yes, you read me accurately, ridiculous is a good word to describe your comment:
Gene <gsasner@...>
 wrote, in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene
--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018, 11:12 PM






You are not discussing
anything.  You are just
saying you disagree and saying my comments are ridiculous.  That is not a discussion.  this subject is not at all on topic for the list and I won't get into a long, involved discussion here.  I will discuss it briefly with you if you actually discuss the subject.  Why do you disagree?  What alternatives do you offer?  How do you justify completely changing the current way of doing things, especially since accessible paper money is used in other parts of the world? 
 
Accessibility doesn't
mean pursuing a disruptive
alternative when much less disruptive options are available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----


From: Laurie
Mehta via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible
money

What is unreasonable is making silly statements like:

Gene
<gsasner@...>
 wrote,
in part:
Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will create

enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole cause of acceptance and integration back significantly.
Gene

--------------------------------------------
On
Sat, 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>

wrote:

 Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 Date:
Saturday, June 9, 2018, 8:07 PM
 It doesn't
insult
 anyone.  Coins are not used
 in the ways paper
money are for a reason.  If blind
 people demand the

 elimination of bills, they won't be taken
 seriously.
Accessibility doesn't
 mean imposing unreasonable practices on the rest of
 society.  and replacing
 bills with coins is
unreasonable. 
  
 Gene
 
 -----
Original Message -----
 
 
 From: Laurie
 Mehta
via Groups.Io
 
 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 9:57
PM
 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
 
 Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible
 money
 
 Gene <gsasner@...>
 wrote, in

 part:
 Even if you win, the public resentment and ridicule will
 create
 enormous ill will toward the recipients and set the whole
 cause of acceptance
 and integration back
significantly.
 Gene
 ---My response:
 I think that

 this sort of reasoning insults the intelligence of almost
 everyone, and it does
 not make sense
either.
 I am not worried about ill will being spread on

 account of me wanting to be sure of what money I am
 exchanging with a business.
 
 Canadian money and
Indian money are reasonably accessible,
 for just two
 examples
I've used. There is no reason for US money to
 lag in this

 respect.
 -LM
 
 --------------------------------------------
 On
Sat,
 6/9/18, Gene <gsasner@...>
 
 wrote:
 
  Subject:
Re: [nvda] accessible money
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Date:

 Saturday, June 9, 2018, 1:40
PM
  
  
  But using that

 argument,
  making money accessible
  when
it may not be around
 much longer can be argued to
be
  spending a good deal
  of money
 to
correct a problem that may not exist so it
  shouldn't be
done. 
 
  After all, it would be hard to justify making a
 building
  wheelchair accessible

  if that building were likely
 to be torn down in two
years
  and it wasn't
  providing an

 essential service.
   
  Paper money is
so much
 more
  convenient than coins,

  that that is why it was adopted
 in the first
place.
  Accessibility is a
  worthy goal, but

 if accessibility is done at the expense of
  what is
generally a
 
  much better system of doing something for people in
 general,
  it's a pyric

  victory.  Even if you win, the
 public resentment
and
  ridicule will create
  enormous ill will

 toward the recipients and set the whole
  cause of
acceptance
 
  and integration back

 significantly.
   
  Gene
  
  -----
Original

 Message
  -----
  
  
  From:
Ron
  Canazzi
 
  Sent: Saturday, June 09,
2018 7:02 AM
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  
  Subject:

 Re: [nvda]
accessible
  money
  
  
  Well,
we
 wouldn't have to learn any more than 5 more
  coins.  They could
 
  be
differently shaped for ease of accessibility.
 As far

 as
  the jingling,
  to be honest, less and
less people use real
 money any
  more.  So this may

  become a moot point
 anyway.  For example, we are
getting a
  group of
 
  Starbucks's
restaurants locally in the Buffalo,
 New York
  area

 that will accept
  nothing but credit or debit cards. So I wonder how
 long
  there will actually be

  any so called legal tender any
 more
anyway.
  
  
  
  On
6/8/2018
 11:03
  PM, Gene
wrote:
  
  
    It

 isn't
  reasonable to ask that switching to coins be
 done. 
 
   
 
    I'll use American denominations in

 examples since
  I don't know your
   
denominations.
 Who is going to be willing to
carry
  nothing but
   
 coins?
If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin,
  I'm not

 going to
    want to get four coins for dollars and two
 quarters,
 a
  dime and a nickel

    back.  If I pay for something
 with a ten
dollar coin and
  I'm owed eight
    dollars and

 twenty cents, I am not going to want to
  receive a five
dollar
 
    coin, three one dollar coins and
two
 dimes.
 People
  aren't going to walk

    around with lots of heavy
 coins jingling in
their pockets
  and wearing out the
   

 material in their clothes. 
   
 
    and
 think of all the different coins you
would have
  to learn.  The
 
   
penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five
 dollar,

 ten,
  twenty, fifty,
    assuming you
never have a higher
 denomination. 
   
 
    Gene
   

 
    ----- Original Message
-----
  
   
 
   
From: Ron
  Canazzi
   
   

 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  
   

 Subject: Re: [nvda]
accessible
  money
   

 
  
    Hi
Kerryn,
   
  
   

 If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad
to
  switch to all
 coinage
    rather
than paper money, that would be the
 ideal thing

 to
  do.  Most blind
    people
here in the United
 States have no difficulty
with
  coinage.  The
   
 pennies,
nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently
  rimmed and of

 
    different sizes and weights.  In
the
 United States,
 we
  like our paper

    money.  There was great
 resistance to any
change for
  large denominations
    than

 quarters.  However in a smaller country
like
  Trinidad, you might
 
    have
less resistance.  Good luck.
   

 
  
  
    On 6/8/2018
8:29
  PM, Kerryn
 Gunness via Groups.Io

    wrote:
  
   

 
     
     
hi
 
      we in trinidad would like to
make
 our
 money
  accessible to our blind or

     
 visually  impaired
persons
      what guidelines we
 should
work with as to approach
  the powers that be,

 
      in our meeting on tuesday
12th
 june, in having
 this
  done, in terms
of
      technology, tack
 tile immages
etc
      thanks
     

  
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Re: URL links

Ervin, Glenn
 

Sometimes if I am suspect of the URL in a message, I use the applications key and select "copy link" and paste it into Notepad and inspect it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] URL links

As a slight sidestep here. I am getting really annoyed of late with companies sending emails with instead of the link being obvious, its hidden behind text in some way.This gives me a problem as I often need to edit a script for reading onto a recording and cutting and pasting such email content strips the url hidden completely.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] URL links


I said it before, in the other topic, but I guess it bears repeating here:

Are you asking how to save a webpage as HTML source? That can be done in any
web browser. In Chrome it's under the More Tools submenu, Save page as item
and in Firefox it's in the main menu, same option name as Chrome uses.

If you're asking about a utility that you can hand a URL and have it
generate HTML for embedding, for instance, they definitely exist. See:
https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php for one that you
can use online. A command line version has to exist, too, but I didn't dig
long enough to find that.
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Re: accessible money

Ervin, Glenn
 

Rosemarie,

You can get hold of an old smart phone for next to nothing, and just not use it as a phone.

Apps like the money reader and color identifiers are often free apps.

They also have free GPS apps for letting you know where you are.

The free GPS apps will need an Internet connection of some kind though, they need to have access to maps.

There are some off-line GPS apps that come with maps for not a lot of money.

All these can be done on an old phone with no phone service, you just connect them to WIFI for downloading the apps.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 6:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Hi, Brian,

 

I too wish we had accessible money. One time when the guy from Buy Right Pharmacy came to deliver a medication for me, I accidentally handed him a 5-dollar bill thinking it was a one-dollar bill. It's true that not everybody has a smart phone. I can't even afford one because they're so expensive.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 6/9/2018 4:04 PM, brian wrote:

    Lets not forget that not everyone has a smart phone and not everyone has a credit card or a debit card because they don't have a bank account.  They are just defying the judgment against them they are just lazy and they are hoping that the total cashless society will come quick enough so they don't have to make our money accessable.  The Usa is the only country that does not have accessable money how sad.  We have to depend on sighted people to tell us what our money is and trust them to tell us the truth.  This does not make me proud to be an american.  our goverment is telling us loud and clear that they don't care about our needs and we are American citizens what a shame.  I hope that those of you who live in countries and do have accessable curency are most greatful and thankful for the gift of financial independence.  We Americans would love to have this but who knows if we will ever have it.  Our paper money just all feels the same.  a hundred dollar bills feels like a one dallar bill.  I do wish that we had the kind of money that Canada has they have done it right so if they can do it then so can the Usa.  We have been provided with money readers by nls as a sulution but try to use this device at the check out counter and see what happens you will be holding up the line.  this is a very bad sulution to the problem of inaccessable curency.  It does not matter if you fold your bills in different ways or you have a billfold with 4 compartments as I have you first have to know what the bills are.  If you get in a hury you could miss fold the bill or put it in the wrong compartment I have done this.  We need to be able to identify our paper curency quickly and acuratly.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 6/8/2018 11:37 PM, Holger Fiallo wrote:

Do we need it? Now that we have apps that can tell us what is what?  Just asking.

 

From: Andy

Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 10:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

In 2008 the Federal courts ruled that the U. S. Treasury Dept. had to make currency accessible. They have diddled around for years, with study after study, and still no accessible money. They just don't want to do it, and are hoping that people will use credit and devit cards, etc.

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Jaffar Sidek

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Hi.  I am in a rather unique position because i get to experience both sides of money, accessible and inaccessible.  Here in Singapore, we have currency notes of different sizes and made of different materials.  $2, $5 and $10 are of different sizes and are made of plastic, $2 being the smallest and $10 being the biggest size of this sub group.  Then there

is the group of $50, $100, $500 and $1000 currency notes.  These are made of tough paper, again of different sizes.  It is easy to tell the diference between one denomination from the other once you get use to it.  On the other hand, I am married to a Filipina, and The Philippines Peso notes are all of the same size, no matter which currency, so i need guidance on that score when I am back in the philippines with wife and family.  Cheers!

On 6/9/2018 11:03 AM, Gene wrote:

It isn't reasonable to ask that switching to coins be done. 

 

I'll use American denominations in examples since I don't know your denominations.  Who is going to be willing to carry nothing but coins?  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin, I'm not going to want to get four coins for dollars and two quarters, a dime and a nickel back.  If I pay for something with a ten dollar coin and I'm owed eight dollars and twenty cents, I am not going to want to receive a five dollar coin, three one dollar coins and two dimes.  People aren't going to walk around with lots of heavy coins jingling in their pockets and wearing out the material in their clothes. 

 

and think of all the different coins you would have to learn.  The penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar, five dollar, ten, twenty, fifty, assuming you never have a higher denomination. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible money

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

If you can convince the powers that be in Trinidad to switch to all coinage rather than paper money, that would be the ideal thing to do.  Most blind people here in the United States have no difficulty with coinage.  The pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters are all differently rimmed and of different sizes and weights.  In the United States, we like our paper money.  There was great resistance to any change for large denominations than quarters.  However in a smaller country like Trinidad, you might have less resistance.  Good luck.

 

 

On 6/8/2018 8:29 PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi

we in trinidad would like to make our money accessible to our blind or visually  impaired persons

what guidelines we should work with as to approach the powers that be, in our meeting on tuesday 12th june, in having this done, in terms of technology, tack tile immages etc

thanks

 



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Re: Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Walker, Michael E
 

Got it. Just awaiting approval now. Thank you.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

 

I didn't think I had subscription information for Blind-x but I checked and I do.  Here are the instructions, from the list owner.

 

Gene

 

To subscribe to blind-x, send a message to:  listserv@...

 

In the body of the message write:  subscribe blind-x firstname lastname

 

This means your real first and last names, please, though you may use
an initial if you desire.

 

I will then send you a copy of the list rules and standards, please
read them and tell me you've done so.  Then, I'll subscribe you.


Re: Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Gene
 

I didn't think I had subscription information for Blind-x but I checked and I do.  Here are the instructions, from the list owner.
 
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Re: how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic out of graphic?

 

but graphic is not written in the internet that i type graphic in the
first fild and type space in the second fild that nvda not speaks it.

On 6/11/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
To answer two questions from two members, the speech dictionaries are empty
until you add something.

I am assuming you know how to use the dictionary. To make graphic not be
spoken, Instead of typing something to be spoken in the pronounced as field,
type a space.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 5:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic
out of graphic?


how can i explane for nvda when i change dictionary that not says graphic?

On 6/11/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try using the speech dictionary to stop graphic from being spoken. I
suspect it will work.

Gene
----- Origiinal Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that never announce graphic
graphic
out of graphic?


actually, none of the three format announcing property sheets seems to
have a way of selectable just stopping the announcement of the object
type
if its a graphics. Sure you can turn off object type announcements but
this

one supposes then leaves you a little in the dark about everything else.
I
think, personally, I've come to live with this, making sure that when I
hear

the word start to be spoken I go away or hit control to shut it up.
It is giving valuable info of course and its a sad fact of our lives that
telling us what is on the screen to help us understand layout is one of
the

problems. While its telling us about buttons and their state ie pressed
or
not it also tells us if the bit we are on is a graphic and even a graphic
button indeed.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that never announce graphic
graphic
out of graphic?


Sorry! It is on Document formating...

Rui


Às 15:02 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:
which item in brows mode should i change that not hear graphic anymore?
i did not find in brows mode or in other preferences one option
related to graphic, so i decided to ask here.

On 6/10/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
NVDA menu, Preferences, Browse mode...

Rui


Às 14:44 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:
hello every one.
like gene, recently i changed my mind and decided to give chrome a
try.
it is very greater than firefox in stability, speed, and handling big
and dynamic web pages like quora which i subscribed and answered
hundreds of questions.
however, when nvda sees a title or the name of one person, first says
graphic, graphic and when i navigate by word nvda says graphic and
out
of graphic!
i dont want to hear graphic at all!
what should i do in nvda to achieve this?
it even says
graphic sometimes both before and after the names!
for example: graphic zahra, zahra graphic.
i realy hate hearing anything except the content that i read or want
to interact with.
thanks so much for any help, God bless all!









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Re: Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

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Well apart from not putting such questions on this list you mean chuckle. sorry could not resist that.
To me its their problem not mine. I used to worry about it, but in the end it just makes you bitter and twisted. Some people just will never get it, so its a waste of time.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Michael E" <michael.e.walker3@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see


Hi,

Something I have struggled with all my life is peoples' misunderstandings about blindness. People who are not blind often shy away from me in social situations, just because I am blind. I have faced this at school and work. People might think that just because I am blind, I cannot perform at the same expectations as everyone else.

This question was bothering me badly over the weekend. The feedback I received is that people may see blindness as something they cannot cure or fix, so they treat them as outcasts.

What can blind people do to educate people who are not blind?

Thank you,
Mike


Re: notepad plus plus and NVDA

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I'm using something called Akelpad, which seems to be a very nice and stable program, but I've no idea if it does what is required, I like its lack of crashing and that it alerts you to different copies of files being different before it will overwrite etc.
Brian

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From: "Damien Garwood" <damien@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] notepad plus plus and NVDA


Hi there,
Notepad++ had a few quirks that I didn't like, but overall, it is accessible, and you'll probably be able to turn the nasty stuff off at any rate. To be honest, I use Notepad2 (www.flos-freeware.ch), which I believe is a lighter version of Notepad++ without all the extra nasties, which I use all the time. But you still have all the cool stuff like line ending conversion, line sorting, blank line removal, duplicate merging etc. I guess the only caveat with that is that it's not regularly maintained, I believe the last update was some time in 2012.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 11/06/2018 02:26 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
Hi,

Is notepad plus plus accessible with NVDA? I have some text files I want to do some advanced editing on. In some, I want to remove all blank lines. Others are from an old dos program and have extra ascii ansi junk characters that I want to get rid of. Once fixed up, I want to re-save the text files, open in wordPad and save as docx files to re-translate into braille to put on the orbit reader 20. I put two files on there, and have to hit the scroll forward button a lot to skip extra blank lines which interrupts my ability to read the file smoothly.

Joshknnd1982@... <mailto:Joshknnd1982@...>

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Re: Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Gene
 

We allow off topic discussion to a certain extent but this isn't even remotely connected with technology and it is also likely to stir up a lot of discussion on the list.
 
Gene, moderator

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Thank you, Gene. I would like the subscription information. Apologies for this being off-topic. I know some lists do tolerate some off-topic discussions, as long as they are clean.

 

Best regards,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

 

This message isn't even remotely on topic for this list.  To discuss it, you can join a group like blind-x, which I don't have subscription information for but I can get if you want it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 8:30 AM

Subject: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

 

Hi,

Something I have struggled with all my life is peoples' misunderstandings about blindness. People who are not blind often shy away from me in social situations, just because I am blind. I have faced this at school and work. People might think that just because I am blind, I cannot perform at the same expectations as everyone else.

This question was bothering me badly over the weekend. The feedback I received is that people may see blindness as something they cannot cure or fix, so they treat them as outcasts.

What can blind people do to educate people who are not blind?

Thank you,
Mike




Re: Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Walker, Michael E
 

Meaning you can only show a few people about blindness at a time?

Thanks,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

info to that list would be nice, but this happens and well most of the time you can only show a few people at a time.

On 6/11/18, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@...> wrote:
Thank you, Gene. I would like the subscription information. Apologies
for this being off-topic. I know some lists do tolerate some off-topic
discussions, as long as they are clean.

Best regards,
Mike

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind
people, by people who can see

This message isn't even remotely on topic for this list. To discuss
it, you can join a group like blind-x, which I don't have subscription
information for but I can get if you want it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Walker, Michael E<mailto:michael.e.walker3@...>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@groups.io<mailto:nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind
people, by people who can see

Hi,

Something I have struggled with all my life is peoples'
misunderstandings about blindness. People who are not blind often shy
away from me in social situations, just because I am blind. I have faced this at school and work.
People might think that just because I am blind, I cannot perform at
the same expectations as everyone else.

This question was bothering me badly over the weekend. The feedback I
received is that people may see blindness as something they cannot
cure or fix, so they treat them as outcasts.

What can blind people do to educate people who are not blind?

Thank you,
Mike








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Re: Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Lenron
 

info to that list would be nice, but this happens and well most of the
time you can only show a few people at a time.

On 6/11/18, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@...> wrote:
Thank you, Gene. I would like the subscription information. Apologies for
this being off-topic. I know some lists do tolerate some off-topic
discussions, as long as they are clean.

Best regards,
Mike

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people,
by people who can see

This message isn't even remotely on topic for this list. To discuss it, you
can join a group like blind-x, which I don't have subscription information
for but I can get if you want it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Walker, Michael E<mailto:michael.e.walker3@...>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 8:30 AM
To: nvda@groups.io<mailto:nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by
people who can see

Hi,

Something I have struggled with all my life is peoples' misunderstandings
about blindness. People who are not blind often shy away from me in social
situations, just because I am blind. I have faced this at school and work.
People might think that just because I am blind, I cannot perform at the
same expectations as everyone else.

This question was bothering me badly over the weekend. The feedback I
received is that people may see blindness as something they cannot cure or
fix, so they treat them as outcasts.

What can blind people do to educate people who are not blind?

Thank you,
Mike







--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Walker, Michael E
 

Thank you, Gene. I would like the subscription information. Apologies for this being off-topic. I know some lists do tolerate some off-topic discussions, as long as they are clean.

 

Best regards,

Mike

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

 

This message isn't even remotely on topic for this list.  To discuss it, you can join a group like blind-x, which I don't have subscription information for but I can get if you want it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 8:30 AM

Subject: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

 

Hi,

Something I have struggled with all my life is peoples' misunderstandings about blindness. People who are not blind often shy away from me in social situations, just because I am blind. I have faced this at school and work. People might think that just because I am blind, I cannot perform at the same expectations as everyone else.

This question was bothering me badly over the weekend. The feedback I received is that people may see blindness as something they cannot cure or fix, so they treat them as outcasts.

What can blind people do to educate people who are not blind?

Thank you,
Mike




Re: how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic out of graphic?

Gene
 

To answer two questions from two members, the speech dictionaries are empty until you add something. 
 
I am assuming you know how to use the dictionary.  To make graphic not be spoken, Instead of typing something to be spoken in the pronounced as field, type a space. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic out of graphic?

how can i explane for nvda when i change dictionary that not says graphic?

On 6/11/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Try using the speech dictionary to stop graphic from being spoken.  I
> suspect it will work.
>
> Gene
> ----- Origiinal Message -----
>
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:03 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic
> out of graphic?
>
>
> actually,  none of the three format announcing  property sheets seems to
> have a way of selectable just stopping the announcement of the object type
> if its a graphics. Sure you can turn off object type announcements but this
>
> one supposes then leaves you a little in the dark about everything else. I
> think, personally, I've come to live with this, making sure that when I hear
>
> the word start to be spoken I go away or hit control to shut it up.
> It is giving valuable info of course and its a sad fact of our lives that
> telling us what is on the screen to help us understand layout is one of the
>
> problems. While its telling us about buttons and their state ie pressed or
> not it also tells us if the bit we are on is a graphic and even a graphic
> button indeed.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that never announce graphic graphic
> out of graphic?
>
>
>> Sorry! It is on Document formating...
>>
>> Rui
>>
>>
>> Às 15:02 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:
>>> which item in brows mode should i change that not hear graphic anymore?
>>> i did not find in brows mode or in other preferences one option
>>> related to graphic, so i decided to ask here.
>>>
>>> On 6/10/18, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
>>>> NVDA menu, Preferences, Browse mode...
>>>>
>>>> Rui
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Às 14:44 de 10/06/2018, zahra escreveu:
>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>> like gene, recently i changed my mind and decided to give chrome a
>>>>> try.
>>>>> it is very greater than firefox in stability, speed, and handling big
>>>>> and dynamic web pages like quora which i subscribed and answered
>>>>> hundreds of questions.
>>>>> however, when nvda sees a title or the name of one person, first says
>>>>> graphic, graphic and when i navigate by word nvda says graphic and out
>>>>> of graphic!
>>>>> i dont want to hear graphic at all!
>>>>> what should i do in nvda to achieve this?
>>>>> it even says
>>>>> graphic sometimes both before and after the names!
>>>>> for example: graphic zahra, zahra graphic.
>>>>> i realy hate hearing anything except the content that i read or want
>>>>> to interact with.
>>>>> thanks so much for any help, God bless all!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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>
>
>


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Re: Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

 

can I get that blind x list? I used to be on there ages ago but lost the subscription info

please email me off list

Hank



On 6/11/2018 7:34 AM, Gene wrote:
This message isn't even remotely on topic for this list.  To discuss it, you can join a group like blind-x, which I don't have subscription information for but I can get if you want it. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 8:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Hi,

Something I have struggled with all my life is peoples' misunderstandings about blindness. People who are not blind often shy away from me in social situations, just because I am blind. I have faced this at school and work. People might think that just because I am blind, I cannot perform at the same expectations as everyone else.

This question was bothering me badly over the weekend. The feedback I received is that people may see blindness as something they cannot cure or fix, so they treat them as outcasts.

What can blind people do to educate people who are not blind?

Thank you,
Mike





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Re: Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Gene
 

This message isn't even remotely on topic for this list.  To discuss it, you can join a group like blind-x, which I don't have subscription information for but I can get if you want it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 8:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Question about diminished expectations of blind people, by people who can see

Hi,

Something I have struggled with all my life is peoples' misunderstandings about blindness. People who are not blind often shy away from me in social situations, just because I am blind. I have faced this at school and work. People might think that just because I am blind, I cannot perform at the same expectations as everyone else.

This question was bothering me badly over the weekend. The feedback I received is that people may see blindness as something they cannot cure or fix, so they treat them as outcasts.

What can blind people do to educate people who are not blind?

Thank you,
Mike





Re: notepad plus plus and NVDA

 

hello.
notepad++ is very accessible with nvda and even sayAll works.
you can remove all empty lines from your files if you need.

On 6/11/18, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello Josh,


I use Notepad++ regularly to localise apps, and it's accessible with NVDA.

hth,

Ollie





Il 11/06/2018 15:26, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:

Hi,

Is notepad plus plus accessible with NVDA? I have some text files I
want to do some advanced editing on. In some, I want to remove all
blank lines. Others are from an old dos program and have extra ascii
ansi junk characters that I want to get rid of. Once fixed up, I want
to re-save the text files, open in wordPad and save as docx files to
re-translate into braille to put on the orbit reader 20. I put two
files on there, and have to hit the scroll forward button a lot to
skip extra blank lines which interrupts my ability to read the file
smoothly.

Joshknnd1982@... <mailto:Joshknnd1982@...>

Josh

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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: URL links

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,

The commands curl and wget can be used to directly retrieve files to your system given the URL. I don't believe either of these commands work for streaming media and you will need to install them to work at all. I believe the wget command allows one to get all referenced URL's in an HTML file while the curl command has options to send user name / password and support for cookies also.

HTH,

Jonathan Cohn


On 6/8/18, 9:29 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brennen Kinch" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of brennenkinch@...> wrote:

hi does anyone know if there’s a way to take a URL link and convert it into an HTML file


Re: NVDA Command to Label Graphics

Walker, Michael E
 

I also have thought about the benefits of having custom labels in NVDA, like in JAWS.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 8:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Command to Label Graphics

 

I have been asking for an easy object customizer addon for years that would both let us easily reclass objects to other types, rename them, including labeling graphic objects manually or with tooltips, and sharing those customizations with others application specific or globally saved profiles. So far no addon has been made that will easily let us do this. Currently to do any of this you have to be into python programming, which I am not good at. 


Re: NVDA Command to Label Graphics

Josh Kennedy
 

I have been asking for an easy object customizer addon for years that would both let us easily reclass objects to other types, rename them, including labeling graphic objects manually or with tooltips, and sharing those customizations with others application specific or globally saved profiles. So far no addon has been made that will easily let us do this. Currently to do any of this you have to be into python programming, which I am not good at. 


Re: notepad plus plus and NVDA

Mallard
 

Hello Josh,


I use Notepad++ regularly to localise apps, and it's accessible with NVDA.

hth,

Ollie

Il 11/06/2018 15:26, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:

Hi,

Is notepad plus plus accessible with NVDA? I have some text files I want to do some advanced editing on. In some, I want to remove all blank lines. Others are from an old dos program and have extra ascii ansi junk characters that I want to get rid of. Once fixed up, I want to re-save the text files, open in wordPad and save as docx files to re-translate into braille to put on the orbit reader 20. I put two files on there, and have to hit the scroll forward button a lot to skip extra blank lines which interrupts my ability to read the file smoothly.

Joshknnd1982@... <mailto:Joshknnd1982@...>

Josh

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10